Mozilla is Building an AI 'Rebel Alliance' To Take on Industry Heavweights OpenAI, Anthropic (cnbc.com) 47
Mozilla, the nonprofit organization behind the Firefox browser that has spent two decades battling tech giants over control of the internet, is now turning its attention to AI and deploying roughly $1.4 billion in reserves to fund what president Mark Surman calls a "rebel alliance" of startups focused on AI safety, transparency and governance.
The organization released a report Tuesday outlining its strategy to counter the growing dominance of OpenAI and Anthropic, which have raised more than $60 billion and $30 billion respectively from investors and now command valuations of $500 billion and $350 billion. Mozilla Ventures, a fund launched in 2022 with an initial $35 million commitment, has invested in more than 55 companies to date and is exploring raising additional capital.
Surman, who runs the organization from a farm outside Toronto, acknowledged the financial mismatch but said Mozilla is playing the long game. By 2028, he wants Mozilla to be funding a "mainstream" open-source AI ecosystem for developers. The effort faces headwinds from the Trump administration, which has criticized AI safety efforts as "woke AI" and signed an executive order establishing a task force to challenge state AI regulations.
The organization released a report Tuesday outlining its strategy to counter the growing dominance of OpenAI and Anthropic, which have raised more than $60 billion and $30 billion respectively from investors and now command valuations of $500 billion and $350 billion. Mozilla Ventures, a fund launched in 2022 with an initial $35 million commitment, has invested in more than 55 companies to date and is exploring raising additional capital.
Surman, who runs the organization from a farm outside Toronto, acknowledged the financial mismatch but said Mozilla is playing the long game. By 2028, he wants Mozilla to be funding a "mainstream" open-source AI ecosystem for developers. The effort faces headwinds from the Trump administration, which has criticized AI safety efforts as "woke AI" and signed an executive order establishing a task force to challenge state AI regulations.
Big gamble (Score:5, Insightful)
This could the end of Mozilla. Sounds like a make or break type investment for a non-profit.
Reinstate Brendan Eich NOW!!! (Score:1, Insightful)
Stop the wokeness to end the the brokeness.
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And now I see you beat me to it. Well done.
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No, they are empowering their agency using their diversity to decolonize the AI space dominated by cis-imperia...
Okay, they're fucked.
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Not likely to happen. They are now completely into the LGBTQIA2SMAP+ activism, and haven't been about browsers for a while. For an organization like that to brand itself as a champion of "safety" is pretty rich, given their opposition to parental control of whether their minor kids are taught all that perverted sex fiction instead of the usual disciplines
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O my God!
LGBTQIA2SMAP is an ACTUAL ACRONYM!! I thought you were being sarcastically humorous!!!
https://www.queeringthemap.com... [queeringthemap.com]
Re: Big gamble (Score:2)
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That's not how venture funds work. The company managing the fund (Mozilla in this case) doesn't invest their own money. They find investors who want to participate, and get a share in all the companies they invest in as payment for organizing everything.
Willful neglect (Score:2)
Mozilla has wasted 25+ years of just going along with whatever new complexities are heaped on top HTML, JS, CSS, and HTTP instead of pushing for replacement standards of the core layout, styling and programming part of the web.
They pushed back on micro-features and pushed for browser standards without addressing the large problems with a 30 year old set of legacy standards.
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Have they identified any reason why people would actually want AI in the browser yet?
I could ask it to go shopping for me, but I wouldn't trust it to find good deals. I could ask for a page summary, but I wouldn't trust it to be accurate.
Anyone remember FireFox OS? Alternative idea... (Score:2)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] ... In 2012, Andreas Gal expanded on Mozilla's aims. He characterized the current set of mobile operating systems as "walled gardens" and presented Firefox OS as more accessibl
"The project proposal was to "pursue the goal of building a complete, standalone operating system for the open web" in order to "find the gaps that keep web developers from being able to build apps that are - in every way - the equals of native apps built for the iPhone, Android, and Windows Phone 7."
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Every time I look at contributing in some way it's a big turn off and I stop. They seem like they don't have a clue about their community or volunteers. Upsetting IT people and influencers is bad policy - I personally used to bring them 100s of users and that has greatly weakened; but I could actively steer those users away all by myself. Dismissing power users hurts them. Many many examples-- such as killing off config options we use to get around whatever BS they want to push onto us. Making the thing
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Your words to Mozilla's CEO's ears! Thanks for the reply.
All great ideas -- and most (especially on customizability and supporting power users) are ones people on Slashdot have been suggesting for a long time, sigh.
Perhaps the most problematical decision Mozilla made was looking at the user base and deciding that if most people did not use a feature they could drop it, which ignores as you say the advocacy by the power users. A long time ago I read how scriptable applications typically have a user base of a
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yup.
When you've eliminated all projects no one wants (Score:3)
"Mozilla, the nonprofit organization behind the Firefox browser..."
I'd say they're WAY behind at this point. And, with this style of project planning--a fifty-fifty cross between a magpie and a goldfish--they're apparently getting behinder every minute.
Rebel Alliance (Score:4, Funny)
Expect incoming lawsuit from Disney/LucasFilm in 3,2,1
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I'd question the Rebel Aliiance analogy anyway: Surman's goal is to achieve the same outcomes as Big AI, not for a democratic republic to wrest political control back from an authoritarian trickster.
Yeah, but his Big Ai will have a cooler name than the other guys Big AI. It'll lean up against its car and smoke cigarettes and maybe, if it's feeling edgy, squeal its tires when it peels out of the parking lot.
These god damned idiots thinking throwing around billions of dollars at the most popular smoke and mirrors of the moment will make them appear rebellious is one of the funniest things I've heard so far this year. And while the year is young, it's gonna be tough to beat this one.
Why? (Score:5, Insightful)
Real question: why? I mean, you're fucking neglecting the browser that the whole organization is supposed to be about but here you are dumping money into shitty AI. So tell me, WHY?!
Re:Why? (Score:5, Funny)
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I wish I had mod points. Bravo, good sir. Bravo.
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To hurry up and grab some of that bubble money.
Re: Why? (Score:2)
CEO who should not even exist (in multiple senses arguably, but I mean Mozilla shouldn't have one here) justifying his multi million dollar salary in the usual way - with bullshit.
YES! (Score:2)
The main problem has been the CEO for decades. Even the one great CEO was sort of a problem; but it was made worse after his ouster.
They should have an ODD numbered board that votes some of which must be dept heads and some being big community contributors... perhaps 1 member could just be a virtual member that decides based upon web polling.
They certainly shouldn't be asking me to donate anything when it's thrown away by the millions on a CEO with too much power to burn even more money.
They could put 1 per
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You are part of the rebel alliance and a traitor.. (Score:2)
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Microsoft Edge: "You are part of the rebel alliance and a traitor. Take it away!"
The real question is! (Score:2)
Summary seems very deceptive (Score:5, Insightful)
They have not committed to spending $1.4 billion on an AI initiative.
Rather, the new CEO stated it's a priority, and that they want to do it by investing in themselves and others. And then the article notes that they have about $1.4 billion in reserves that could go towards investments like that.
They are moving on AI in a way that is a priority, and is a concern for a lot of people that think they should still be mostly focused on the web. But I don't think they've said anything that makes them as all in as this implies.
The actual article even says directly:
"While its biggest priority remains growing and investing in Firefox, investing in the rebel alliance is “at the heart of who Mozilla is today,” according to the report on Tuesday. Supporting startups is central to that strategy."
But the summary, and to some extent the headline and intro to the article, imply they've made some all in commitment about AI. But nothing actually says that.
Re: Summary seems very deceptive (Score:1)
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1.4 billion in reserves? Maybe they could fix thunderbird QR codes
Or put the option back in place which stops the harassing message you don't have the latest and greatest version installed.
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One area where AI might be able to help Mozilla is refactoring their codebase to be something people can actual contribute to and work on. Of course the main problem is the lack of trust when it comes to AI not introducing security issues, so maybe they could start with building a really robust suite of tests and a vulnerability finding pipeline.
If they could make Firefox's code clean and easy to work with, others might adopt it for their own browsers like they did with Chromium, and it might get the attent
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Open source and "safe"? (Score:4, Insightful)
We all know that "safe" in this context means silencing content that you, personally, disapprove of. How is that compatible with open source, where anyone can fork an "unsafe" version?
This will go well (Score:5, Insightful)
Bust out (Score:2)
Wonder who will end up with the domain name.
Re: Bust out (Score:1)
That's part of it. (Score:2)
Pretty sure a small pile of "ai ethics" projects could burn through a nice big chunk of that pretty quickly. And if 5% ended up in the right pockets, those pockets are set for life.
It's a trap! (Score:1)
Unfortunately... (Score:2)
CEO (Score:3, Insightful)
Maybe they can hire someone really brilliant to head it up. I nominate Brendan Eich.
know when to hold em (Score:2)
Mozilla does not seem to know how to choose its battles. This will just be a big loser.
More gibberish from Mozilla (Score:1)