Bitcoin Drops 40% in Four Months. Bloomberg Blames Absence of Buyers and Belief (yahoo.com) 153
October saw Bitcoin reach $123,742. But less than four months later, "The world's largest cryptocurrency slipped below $76,000..." Bloomberg reports, "dropping about 40% from its 2025 peak..."
"What began as a sharp crash in October has morphed into something more corrosive: a selloff shaped not by panic, but by absence of buyers, momentum and belief." Unlike the October drawdown, there's been no obvious spark, cascading liquidations or systemic shock — just fading demand, thinning liquidity, and a token that's untethered to broader markets. Bitcoin has failed to respond to geopolitical stress, dollar weakness, or risk rallies. Even during gold and silver's violent swings in recent weeks, crypto saw no rotation. Bitcoin fell nearly 11% in January, marking its fourth straight monthly decline — the longest losing streak since 2018, during the crash that followed the 2017 boom in initial coin offerings...
Even more striking than the drop itself is the relative lack of optimism around it on social media. In a space known for relentless bravado and "number go up" memes, Bitcoin's slide has been met with little cheerleading or dip-buying fanfare... [Despite legislative wins and some institutional investments] Many investors say that optimism was front-run. Prices rallied early — and then stalled. Meanwhile, spot ETFs continue to bleed, a sign of weakening conviction among mainstream buyers — many of whom are now underwater after buying at higher prices.
On Thursday, Bitcoin closed at 88,228. By Sunday it had plunged another 13%, to $76,790...
"What began as a sharp crash in October has morphed into something more corrosive: a selloff shaped not by panic, but by absence of buyers, momentum and belief." Unlike the October drawdown, there's been no obvious spark, cascading liquidations or systemic shock — just fading demand, thinning liquidity, and a token that's untethered to broader markets. Bitcoin has failed to respond to geopolitical stress, dollar weakness, or risk rallies. Even during gold and silver's violent swings in recent weeks, crypto saw no rotation. Bitcoin fell nearly 11% in January, marking its fourth straight monthly decline — the longest losing streak since 2018, during the crash that followed the 2017 boom in initial coin offerings...
Even more striking than the drop itself is the relative lack of optimism around it on social media. In a space known for relentless bravado and "number go up" memes, Bitcoin's slide has been met with little cheerleading or dip-buying fanfare... [Despite legislative wins and some institutional investments] Many investors say that optimism was front-run. Prices rallied early — and then stalled. Meanwhile, spot ETFs continue to bleed, a sign of weakening conviction among mainstream buyers — many of whom are now underwater after buying at higher prices.
On Thursday, Bitcoin closed at 88,228. By Sunday it had plunged another 13%, to $76,790...
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Blame (Score:2)
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But what's the price of a tulip today, when compared to tulip mania time? :)
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If we had a meme coin based on irony, you'd be rich.
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Best not to put any money in precious metals, especially irony. They have all had a bad week.
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Take a look at some of the other threads on this story. There are people saying physical silver is a great "store of wealth" for when the global financial system collapses. It's a mindset that I have a hard time comprehending.
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Bitcoin is a pump and dump currency with no securities or backings.
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I am thinking it could be linked to an end of the world scenario with the hall of souls starting to dry up like in that movie.. (seventh sign I think), you get the idea
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I'm waiting for some of Satoshi Nakamoto's coins to be sold, the market will shit itself.
It would have dropped even faster, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Michael Saylor and Strategy have been buying up a lot of Bitcoin on it's way down. This wasn't a trivial amount, either... we're talking tens of thousands of Bitcoin for tens of millions of dollars. It will be interesting to see what the bankers who lended him the money to buy that crypto will do if Bitcoin drops even further and they start showing huge losses.
Re: It would have dropped even faster, but... (Score:4, Interesting)
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It's basically a derivative market he's created. You buy his coins which are tied to the price of BTC, but aren't BTC. It's effectively a stablecoin using BTC as the base currency.
He's basically letting you buy shares in BTC in the end - you own a bit of the company which owns BTC as an asset, therefore you own a bit of that BTC asset.
The problem is the price of each share is also tied to the cost of each asset and it's been trending downwards to keep the share price per BTC constant.
You can figure it out from there - you can own something priced like BTC but isn't BTC!
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Michael Saylor and Strategy have been buying up a lot of Bitcoin on it's way down. This wasn't a trivial amount, either... we're talking tens of thousands of Bitcoin for tens of millions of dollars. It will be interesting to see what the bankers who lended him the money to buy that crypto will do if Bitcoin drops even further and they start showing huge losses.
As a taxpayer, I find nothing interesting about an entity claiming they're Too Big To Fail.
Not a fucking thing.
BTC is crappy design (Score:5, Insightful)
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What's better from a privacy perspective? I've seen monero recommended but not sure if there are other better coins. It's hard to find exchanges that will allow the purchase of monero with normal currency. There are also swap exchanges, but I'm not sure how hard they are to use.
Monero math is beautiful (Score:3)
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I fail to see how a whitepaper on monero generally is responsive to my post.
Swap exchanges allow someone to swap bitcoin for monero, for example. This works if one can't find a way to purchase monero with regular currency. Purchase bitcoin with regular currency, then swap for monero.
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"It's like high denomination bills never released to the general public; for nations to settle debts with nations."
Yeah, it's just like that. And here I thought it was a Con open to anyone with money to lose.
Re: BTC is crappy design (Score:2)
The US could erase it's national debt buying bitcoin with gold
Bitcoins total valuation is $1.5 trillion. The US gold reserves are with $1 trillion. How would spending the gold reserve to buy bitcoin erase the $38.5 trillion national debt
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The US could erase it's national debt buying bitcoin with gold? Wait, how does ~2T in fake money erase ~40T in debt?
Re: BTC is crappy design (Score:2)
What would it take to erase that apostrophe? Your 20/13 vision didn't spot that it's means it is?
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Warsh is not the guy you'd expect trump to go with really. He is not drop rates now & print money guy. In fact, this https://finance.yahoo.com/news... [yahoo.com] says everything. If the fed doesn't print money, rates are going up not down. Without the fed buy
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But less than four months later ...
Imagine having $100 in your wallet. Four months later you go into a store to buy something and you are told that your money is only worth $50 now. That is why cryptocurrency is useless bullshit.
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Silver is similar to bitcoin in the sense that both are used as speculative assets. By contrast, bonds have a contractual rate of return, and equities are shares in productive companies with earnings.
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Silver hasn't been a good speculative asset in over 60 years. Expand the kitco chart to max and look. Big spikes in the 80s, 2008-2012, and now. That's the behaviour of a hedge, a store of wealth.
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What use is a "store of wealth" with an inflation indexed price that is both really volatile and shows no positive trendline?
https://www.macrotrends.net/1470/historical-silver-prices-100-year-chart [macrotrends.net]
Equities are volatile, but at least they have a consistent return above inflation. Inflation indexed bonds have a guaranteed positive return and aren't volatile. What use is silver?
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I'm not sure you understand the concept of a store of wealth. If you turn a currency into, say, silver, then the currency can do whatever it likes. It can collapse and vanish. Eventually a new means of trading will emerge. It might be another currency. It might even be the store itself. But regardless, then your wealth has survived the collapse.
You just need to be confident the thing will remain valued. Gold and silver have been continuously valued for a very, very, very long time.
So I do not understand you
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Oh, I think I get it. You're arguing while agreeing with me. Yes, silver not a good investment strategy, But you do not hold a store of wealth for returns. You hold it to protect it. You hold it when you don't trust the alternatives. If you think it'll outperform a stable market, it won't. But that's why you flee to it - to escape the unstable market.
I would argue that just holding shares in silver isn't aren't a great way to hold wealth either. It's a compromise. You don't need to house, secure, and transa
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Silver seems too volatile to reliably protect wealth.
What are you using silver to protect your wealth from? "Unstable markets" doesn't seem to fully describe what you're after, maybe global financial collapse is more apt. Would silver even work in such a scenario? I'm thinking non-perishable food, arable land, reliable manual tools, guns, and ammo might do better in that kind of situation.
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Silver is a resource with inherent worth.
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So is a cubic foot of dirt, I suppose. What is the expected return on silver, and how do you arrive at the number?
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Dirt's the better bet, even if the market for it crashes you can still live on a piece of property. And as my dad said, "They're not making any more land, except in Hawaii and Holland."
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For medical use see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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If commodity materials with industrial uses are generally good investments, I think copper is more widely used than silver. Should I invest in copper?
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Ok, so it's a store of value with no return. How is it better than inflation indexed bonds?
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Well, let's compare their relative track records. How many years has silver continuously been considered wealth? And how many years for the bonds? Has silver suddenly ever become worth nothing? Have bonds?
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Maybe people used silver as currency a long time ago or something. From what I read, US treasuries have paid out except for during the war of 1812. The inflation indexed treasuries available now should have a positive return, even in the case of high inflation.
The value of silver relative to inflation looks really volatile and has no noticeable trendline, unlike equities.
https://www.macrotrends.net/1470/historical-silver-prices-100-year-chart [macrotrends.net]
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Was that you in the other thread? Why are you evaluating stores of wealth against the characteristics of equities, but not the inverse? That's why I said silver is shitty for speculation.
Stores of wealth vs, investment - two completely different use cases. Don't complain your Miata is shitty at hauling gravel.
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Silver is both volatile and doesn't have a consistent positive return relative to inflation.
If I want what you call a store of wealth, inflation indexed bonds seem like a better deal because they're less volatile. If I want something to grow my wealth, I'll go with equities.
What is the use of silver?
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Everything I buy is sold in US dollars, so being stuck in US currency doesn't seem that bad.
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First and third, I don't consider it wise to invest based on conspiracy theories.
Second, most of my money is in equities, but I used Series I savings bonds as well. Those are inflation indexed and can be redeemed at any time between 1 and 30 years at book value with no penalty. They dont have interest rate risk as a result.
I have a very low risk for the fourth one. One would think the first ammendment would protect against that unless someone committed a crime. I do have some cash handy for emergencies.
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If something having industrial use makes it a good investment, shouldn't the recommendation be to invest in something more widely used like copper, or hell, even oil?
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Copper on the other hand is not rare nor is oil. Demand for both is anything but tepid.
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We should use the gold standard or something like it. Something that would stop the government from wildly printing money.
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Worse, imagine having $10 in BTC. You order a pizza with it. Ten years later it turns out the pizza cost you a million dollars.
So you're like, "Crap, I should've held onto that. Maybe I should buy some now." You buy a million dollars' worth of BTC. Ten years later, it is worth almost enough to allow you to order another pizza.
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Worse, imagine having $10 in BTC. You order a pizza with it. Ten years later it turns out the pizza cost you a million dollars.
So you're like, "Crap, I should've held onto that. Maybe I should buy some now." You buy a million dollars' worth of BTC. Ten years later, it is worth almost enough to allow you to order another pizza.
Heh. Now *that* would be some buyers remorse!
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That is why cryptocurrency is useless bullshit.
$100 in USDC is worth the same today as it was four months ago. Next argument, please.
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Astonishing for a currency that can only deflate.
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Sure, but bitcoin is a hell of a lot more volatile than the US dollar, for example.
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Yeah, it's the "socialist government" part. Could not possibly happen with tech bros and Elon Musk.
Liquidity was always a huge problem (Score:5, Insightful)
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Bloomberg Blames Absence of Buyers... (Score:2)
So basic economics of supply and demand?
Way to go Bloomberg... Right on the forefront
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Yes, the concept of supply and demand is pretty basic, but it takes on some interesting nuance I think with BTC. BTC is, ostensibly, a currency. But it's a currency that can only buy a limited number of things UNLESS you can get someone else to purchase it from you to convert it into dollars or another currency. That's not likely to happen with any other currency or even stocks/bonds. So you can end up holding a currency that you cannot spend on things you need to buy.
As with all scams (Score:2)
More "belief" in AI (Score:2)
Sell NFTs ! Sell Bitcoin ! Buy AI ! (Score:2)
You read it here first, folks.
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I laugh at you all!
A Nigerian prince has contacted me and advised me that I now own ONE BILLION BTC which is being kept in a chest in that nation's treasury. All I have to do is send him 4Kg of gold to cover the costs of the paperwork and all that BTC will be *mine!!
Those of you who speculate on crypto and precious metals are all fools -- only *I* am onto a sure thing.
I shall laugh at you and ridicule you when my container-load of BTC is delivered next week. Hang on, apparently another 1Kg of gold is req
lost its value (Score:2)
Oh no, if only this had been predicted! (Score:2)
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That's based on the physical force of the Federal Government. They insist that you pay your taxes in dollars, so everyone needs them.
Investment and Gambling (Score:3)
There's a fine line between investment and gambling.
Investment is usually used to refer to putting money into some sort of industry. You can determine whether the industry is producing something of potential value.
Gambling is more of a chance affair.
The value of Bitcoin is not related to production of value, as such. Its related to how other people perceive the validity of bitcoin as a currency. It's inheriently more volatile.
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There's a fine line between investment and gambling.
Speculation.
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While I'm not rooting for any particular individual's failure, I can't say that I'm sad to watch this thing go crazy.
Lately, part of my routine is looking at a couple of the on-chain metrics.
"Percent Addresses in Profit" shows how many addresses, at the current valuation, are net positive. Right now it's ~75%. But what's fun is looking at the ups and downs - because people buy in the expectation that it'll keep going up, the exact same price point as we had earlier in the year shows a lower number of to
Bitcoin is Neither Investment Nor Gambling (Score:2)
Both, done right, involve a degree of skill (e.g. poker). Bitcoin, like gold, pays no interest or dividend. Any return from purchasing bitcoin (or gold) is the result of finding a greater fool [wikipedia.org] to buy it from you.
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Absence of belief (Score:2)
That is the one. Any good scam needs believers. When they realize what they are actually "investing" in, the scam ends.
No-one is surprised (Score:2)
Every pricing bubble and many marketing scams depend on the one idea: There's a bigger idiot around the proverbial corner. One day, there isn't. It seems that day is near, for bitcoin.
Store of value (Score:2)
With major banks buying gold constantly there's a flight to safety as risfts in the financial system cause cracks and Bitcoin is still a small asset class. It will and it has drop like the rest.
With the help of the masses we have created exit liquidity for BTC, Silver & Gold...so the selling began.
With deleveraging in Bitcoin and some sour grapes ev
Bloomberg is so clever! (Score:2)
Less Bitcoin is bought because there are fewer buyers. Who would have thought?!
Ponzai scheme is losing steam.... (Score:2)
Bitcoin is a Ponzi scheme (Score:2)
And people have caught on. Compares to a company stock, there is no intrinsic value. No cash flow. No factories/fixed assets. No customers to drive value. Only speculation based price rises that depend on the best buyer paying more. With a stock, there is something tangible to justify the value. With Bitcoin there is only the next buyer.
I hate Bitcoin (Score:2)
i can't imagine why (Score:2)
some observations (Score:2)
Reason is actually obvious (Score:2)
Off One Bubble--On to the Next (Score:2)
"I had a guaranteed military sale with ED-209. Renovation programme. Spare parts for 25 years. Who cares if it worked or not?
The Old Man thought it was pretty important... Dick." --From Robocop, the real one.
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The thing about people following media for investment information is they are operating on old information. It's a huge disadvantage for anyone that buys or sells based on some article they read, but plenty of people do it. And it's a huge boon for the more savvy investors
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It is not "investment", it is speculation. It is bad for the economy and society. So, yes, if you have no qualms ripping people off while producing nothing and doing damage on top of that, then this is the strategy for you. If you have some actual integrity, morals or decency, you will stray away from it. But I get that these things are in short supply and probably always have been with humans.
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A classic tragedy-of-the-commons situation. Without those that produce things and those that are altruistic, all the greedy selfish assholes go down the drains as well. If you do not mind being a greedy selfish asshole, you can be one. There are enough of those out there, you will be in bad but large company. Some people have higher standards for themselves though.
Whether the people with higher standards are just kidding themselves, are on a better journey or doing the only thing really worthwhile is up for
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Mandelbrot's set, is not a fractal, for instance. Von Koch's set is.
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Functions better than cash for what purpose? I don't think any of the stores that I go to accept it. They certainly don't advertise it if they do, but the advertise Visa and MasterCard. (Just be sure to pay off the entire card every month.)
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And I cant buy a loaf of bread with it (Score:2)
So are you replacing like for like. One set of con men for another. This isn't innovation it's repetition.
Software rules can be changed as easily as any other . Crytpo companies can make deals like banks and create new rules.
Sorry, but I don't trust you, I suspect you are heavily invested in crypto to defend it as you are.
I don't trust crypto. It has a well documented history of fraud. It's the favourite currency of criminals and terrorists. I am not going to help the bad guys by using it.
Yes our legacy fi
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