The US Is Flirting With Its First-Ever Population Decline (bloomberg.com) 339
The U.S., whose population the Census Bureau did not expect to start shrinking until 2081, may record its first-ever decline as early as this year because of the Trump administration's accelerating immigration crackdown. Census data released in late January showed US population growth slowed to just 0.5% in the year prior to July 2025 -- the lowest rate since the pandemic -- as net migration fell to 1.3 million from a peak of 2.7 million the year before.
Census experts now expect net migration to drop to only 316,000 in the year prior to July 2026 and say the country is "trending toward negative net migration." A joint study by researchers at the American Enterprise Institute and the Brookings Institution estimates that 2026 net immigration could range from a gain of 185,000 to a loss of 925,000. Births exceeded deaths by just 519,000 in the most recent period, a surplus the Congressional Budget Office expects to vanish by 2030. At the low end of the AEI/Brookings range, the overall US population would shrink by more than 400,000 -- something that has never happened since the country began taking censuses in 1790.
Census experts now expect net migration to drop to only 316,000 in the year prior to July 2026 and say the country is "trending toward negative net migration." A joint study by researchers at the American Enterprise Institute and the Brookings Institution estimates that 2026 net immigration could range from a gain of 185,000 to a loss of 925,000. Births exceeded deaths by just 519,000 in the most recent period, a surplus the Congressional Budget Office expects to vanish by 2030. At the low end of the AEI/Brookings range, the overall US population would shrink by more than 400,000 -- something that has never happened since the country began taking censuses in 1790.
No Shit! (Score:4, Insightful)
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Jews in 1930s/1940s Germany wish they had only to deal with ICE.
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Give it time. Even the Nazis had to ramp up.
It's worth studying history for the signs. For example, one of the first things the Nazis did was attack the only clinic in Germany catering to LGBTQ people, who they described as degenerates that were corrupting children.
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hey, it started slowly... in the first years (1933) they were just forbidden to work in some places... nothing special... then the list grow bigger and bigger
in 1935, Jews lost the Germany citizenship
at the very end of 1941 the Holocaust is ordered, starts being implemented in the first half of 1942
So yes, 9 years of slowly making a group as outcast, without rights and inferior... not much different ... detentions centers are just to keep "every one safe", just like the Nazi Ghettos
https://en.wikipedia.org/ [wikipedia.org]
Re: No Shit! (Score:5, Insightful)
Hey genius, President Obama deported more than Trump has. But don't let facts get in the way of your TDS meltdown.
And somehow he managed to achieve that without all the drama.
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Do think that has something to do with not having an opposition party doing everything they can to manufacture drama about it?
Remember ICE was created by the Home Land Security act which was a NEOCON invention post 9/11. Most of the GOP leadership who supported that were still holding legislative office, still influential party members. It would have been inconvenient to attack Obama on immigration (enforcement anyway, as opposed to things like DACA), to say the least. Not that they would have wanted to be
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I think that has more to do with using due process, actually focusing on the criminal element, not roughing up and shooting citizens, and having ICE agents un-masked, trained, and properly identified.
Not losing track of where the kids went probably helped too. That and not making stupid claims about eating people's pets.
Re: No Shit! (Score:5, Interesting)
There are always special interest groups who are highly concerned about various government policies and actions. That's normal.
The drama I'm talking about here is dragging the entire country to the verge of a civil war, all while failing even to match Obama's performance on this key MAGA goal.
Re: No Shit! (Score:5, Insightful)
No, the press did cover it. I remember it distinctly, including complaints from the left wing of the Democratic party.
The difference was that the Obama administration did it in an orderly manner and followed due process rather than sending a bunch of masked clowns into a city he didn't like and start rounding up anybody with an accent. There was no media circus because ICE was behaving like normal police and wasn't killing people in the process.
This was also the time when Republicans were pretending that they would agree to comprehensive immigration reform if given sufficient border security. You had politicians like Ted Cruz sign onto bills that had a path to citizenship for the undocumented. The thought was that if we could aggressively deport the actual criminal migrants, then maybe we could get agreement to let others stay. The problem was that calls for "border security" before compressive reform were never in good faith. Despite their insistence otherwise, it's clear under the Trump administration that Republicans never supported "legal immigration" or any immigration at all (well, unless the immigrants have $5 million to drop on a "gold card").
Re: No Shit! (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, I must have totally forgotten about the time Obama sent masked agents to go door-to-door looking for anybody with an accent.
Here's the key difference: Obama's policies were bad if you were an immigrant or an immigrant friend/family member. Trump's policies impact everyone in their path because they effectively suspend the 4th amendment for everyone regardless of citizenship (not to mention the thread of summary execution for exercising the 2nd and arrest for exercising the 1st).
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Yeah, I must have totally forgotten about the time Obama sent masked agents to go door-to-door looking for anybody with an accent.
ICE has always been kinda like this. Trump has certainly worsened it and let them off their leash, because he's interested in using them to punish the people in places he doesn't like. But you can find reporting on them brutalizing detainees and kids in cages and outdoor detention centers going back at least 15 years if not more.
Here's the key difference: Obama's policies were bad if you were an immigrant or an immigrant friend/family member. Trump's policies impact everyone in their path because they effectively suspend the 4th amendment for everyone regardless of citizenship (not to mention the thread of summary execution for exercising the 2nd and arrest for exercising the 1st).
Ok, so it's fine as long as it's happening to brown people you don't know? Obama sucked on this issue, and Trump sucks worse, but there is no point in defending the former.
Re: No Shit! (Score:5, Insightful)
No, nobody is saying it was ever "fine." Nobody is saying that ICE was never problematic or abusive. It's just that those abuses were much more localized and targeted. There is a material difference between what is happening now and what happened 15 years ago. It's not unreasonable that the current behavior of ICE is causing a far greater uproar than in the past. and it's not some sort of unthinking reflexive reaction to the "Orange man."
ICE gotten to the point that it's much bigger than immigration or the border. What ICE has become means that all constitutional protections are suspect. What is the 4th amendment good for in ANY context if the government can just claim it broke down your door to look for an immigrant? What good is the 2nd amendment if concealed carry means a federal officer can just shoot you and claim immunity if you are carrying a firearm? What good is the 1st amendment if reporting on a protest can get you arrested?
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Does the boot taste good? Just sprinkle on some flimsy legalisms to discard judicial oversight over my constitutional protections!
Save me from the scary migrant "invasion"! The 'Adminstration' is so totally trustworthy it can sign it's own warants.
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety
-Ben Franklin
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An administrative warrant that met the burden of probable cause would indeed be valid- but your assertion that all meet that burden is patently incorrect, and is even documented in jurisprudence.
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I already addressed this: the press didn't fucking cover it, for obvious political reasons. If they had, you bet your ass there would have been drama.
What do you call this? https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/05... [cnn.com]
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That kind of political cover up by right wing media ?
Perhaps it was because he was doing thing things legally without any stormtroopers
Re: No Shit! (Score:5, Insightful)
The press covered it. I read several articles on it at the time so I cannot be gaslit by your clown ass.
Re: No Shit! (Score:3)
Well then search my posting history.
However, we can already tell that you're just playing bullshit performative games here by pretending that Obama's enforcement was not different in that it was not simply a cover for implementing fascism, so no matter what you are not going to impress anyone here.
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I hear you saying that because Fox News, Breitbart, and Rush Limbaugh didn't cover Obama's immigration enforcement actions, that means "the press" didn't cover this topic.
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I'll see your spew of whataboutism and raise it: The ones who think Federal laws, including the Constitution, are the most optional are the members and employees of the current administration who are blatantly violating them.
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Were 5 year olds sent to detention centers? https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com]
How about American citizens shot dead in the street?
Fuck you.
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They are down to 18 months old now.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/toddler-was-returned-ice-custody-denied-medication-after-hospitalization-lawsuit-2026-02-08/
And one common thread - being denied medical care. And she is not the only one, there are many reports of this.
These are concentration camps.
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CBP/ICE has been doing horrific shit to babies and everyone else for decades, but your fake concern will evaporate when it's no longer useful to the people who are manipulating you.
And guess who gave them an inflated budget. https://www.npr.org/2026/01/21... [npr.org]
Were they running around with masks and unmarked rental vans under the previous administration?
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I fucking hate the masks, but yes there were masked thugs in the Obama years. It has grown more prevalent now, with the excuse (not unfounded) that officers are getting doxxed and their families harassed by counterproductive idiots. In other words, the people who think they are helping are making it worse.
I will burn you to the ground on this subject after more than 50 years of living right on the Mexican border, including on the Mexican side, and b
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That's patently false. You know nothing about my beliefs. The deprivation of medical care by ICE is something new under this administration.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/ice-cut-detainees-off-medical-212322344.html
They certainly have the budget to pay for it. They are intentionally not doing so.
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The deprivation of medical care by ICE is something new under this administration.
How dumb can you be? Report Shows Poor Medical Care Led to Deaths at U.S. Detention Center [detentionw...etwork.org]
For Immediate Release
Thursday, February 18, 2016
Report Shows Poor Medical Care Led to Deaths at U.S. Detention Centers Exposes Extreme Cases of Substandard Medical Care
WASHINGTON, DC â" A report, Fatal Neglect: How ICE Ignores Deaths in Detention, released today by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), Detention Watch Network (DWN) and the National Immigrant Justice Center (NIJC), examines egregious violations of medical standards by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) that played a significant role in the deaths of eight people in detention centers across the country.
Now you're gonna tell me the ACLU is part of the MAGA network?
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ICE and CPB have always sucked, and have always been terrible.
But your shtick about how this makes the current regime the same is just fucking stupid. This is a massive escalation of awfulness on every front.
Some examples:
- Sending people to be tortured in El Salvador.
- Openly defying almost 100 court orders.
- Arresting people who are here legally at their hearings.
- Shooting US citizens in the back, and then instantly halting any investigation into the incident.
- Raiding churches and schools.
- Claiming tha
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Most of the people being arrested are here legally.
And they are still people. Your celebration of what is happening to them is assholeish, to the point of sociopathy.
I am planning to ignore anything else you post here. You are not worth any more of my time.
Re: No Shit! (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, people did give a shit when Democrats were in office, and in fact protested about it. However, one HUGE difference is that the Obama administration had no policy of family separation. 5-year-olds were not rounded up alone or used as bait for their parents. Family detention was used when families came as groups to the border- the Obama administration wasn't snatching kids off the streets of American cities.
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Were CITIZENS being assaulted by immigration while Obama was in office? How about citizens being assaulted by ICE? You fail to understand the backlash against what is going on, where the US Constitution is being ignored. EVERYONE has protection against illegal search and seizure in this country, that means citizens, legal residents, and even illegal residents of this country. If they have an actual warrant, then that is one thing, but ICE doesn't get a warrant, they break into the homes of citizens
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Were CITIZENS being assaulted by immigration while Obama was in office?
Yes. Even I had run-ins with CBP & ICE. Fuck off.
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tell us about the times you were shot by ICE
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I'm to the left of most people on this issue, dumbfuck. Have you ever been on the Mexican side of the fence and watched your friends bet their lives on crossing like I did almost 40 years ago?
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The only way for democrats to win this is to get out ahead of it, promise to keep deporting people but in a humane way, and then actually carry through on it. I don't personally believe they're capable, but I pray that they are. Otherwise it's going to be more of this every 4 years.
I'm with you on most of your post but that sounds like what the Democrats were already doing and that wasn't solving the problem.
What we need is proper reform of our immigration laws, especially on the employer end. Illegal immigrants come here for work, if there's no one willing or able to hire them then their numbers will be radically reduced to levels where the problem won't really matter.
Re: No Shit! (Score:3)
What we need is to stop doing coups in Latin America. How come nobody ever wants to address the root cause?
90% of all media is billionaire owned (Score:2)
A huge part of why Trump is so popular is that although everything he says is nonsense he uses words people understand. Kamala Harris and Joe Biden for example have an extremely bad habit of talking at a 10th or even 12th
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Hey genius, President Obama also accomplished this without sending masked goons into our cities to harass ethnic minorities which is what the above is talking about.
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Obama didn't have immigration shooting citizens with ZERO accountability. When citizens and legal residents of this country need to be afraid of being killed or even just assaulted by the thugs people like you love so much, that's a VERY large problem, along with the violations of the US Constitution, which has protections against unlawful search and seizure. Now, "It's ICE, if you tell them they can't come in and search your home, you suggest that it's our fault when ICE blasts chemical weapons in our
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Obama somehow managed to deport more people than Trump without turning cities into warzones and murdering citizens. I guess it's just one more thing that Obama was better at than Trump.
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OP is referring to them as brown shirts because they're being used for intimidation, amassing in blue cities like Minneapolis instead of red states that actually need and want immigration enforcement. They also break laws, violate the constitution and kill people, then lie afterward to cover it up.
The issue for most people isn't immigration enforcement, but how it's being done.
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The brown shirts were at least man enough to show their faces. I guarantee all these masked gang members were screaming about not being able to breathe when Target asked them to wear a mask while shopping.
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That's more likely due to the fact that there was no Internet to quickly spread their actions, so the government could control the narratives much more easily to all but the most localized populations.
Re:+1 Informative (Score:5, Insightful)
to quote you that's "bullshit, bullshit & more bullshit".
ICE is specifically acting like thugs in Blue cities because that's what Trump, Miller, etc want, to provoke a violent reaction as a pretext to invoke the Insurrection Act and to normalize using government thugs for enforcement and intimidation which they'll ramp up for the midterms to "true to vote"
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to quote you that's "bullshit, bullshit & more bullshit".
ICE is specifically acting like thugs in Blue cities because that's what Trump, Miller, etc want, to provoke a violent reaction as a pretext to invoke the Insurrection Act and to normalize using government thugs for enforcement and intimidation which they'll ramp up for the midterms to "true to vote"
And on top of that... they're dumb enough to believe that once that has happened the apparatus the state has constructed won't be turned against them.
Re:+1 Informative (Score:4, Insightful)
The issue with the vast majority of people who came in under Biden was abuse of the refugee system, something that would have been addressed under the Lankford immigration (a very conservative bill) bill that Trump and coward Republicans in Congress torpedoed to keep the issue open for election. In fact most of the actions taken directly at the border were the same in the bill as what Trump did via EO. Now all they're doing is turning public opinion against immigration enforcement and everything Trump did can be undone with the stroke of a pen. Good job guys.
More judges to speed through the trials and most people get deported anyway without all the fuss and we would have had actual, lasting immigration legislation for the first time in at least my lifetime but this isn't a real issue for Republicans, it's just something to play politics with.
Re: +1 Informative (Score:5, Insightful)
Texas has had the most ICE arrests under many presidents because its an easy place for immigrants to both cross the border and surrender, and many border crossers just dont go further. The high statistic is just border apprehensions. There arent masked ICE agents in Texas urban areas en mass running cars off the road, teargassing, beating, and murdering people. The comparison is bullshit.
Comically Trumps goons accused Minnesota law enforcement of not cooperating with ICE detainers and the local law enforcement provided receipts that it just wasn't true. The "non cooperation" is just made up. People there are up in arms about the blatant constitutional violations and harassment. The cops were openly supportive of ICE up until the murders, and subsequent harassment by ICE of off duty MN cops.
Minnesota has one of the smallest illegal immigrant populations in the nation. Do you know how badly you need to want to be here to leave someplace tropical and end up in Minnesota? There is literally no mathematical or logical justification for what is happening, other than an attempt to make an example of a political opponent. Its intimidation by a thug, nothing more. Glad to see Minnesota give those assholes a rash.
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Also the admin itself said they increased ICE action in Minnesota because of the Nick Shirley "fraud" video which uncovered exactly zero new fraud and really was total lies and propaganda to stoke racism against the Somali community there (which are vastly citizens and legal immigrants). They went into Minneapolis to stir up shit and make a big show, that's why I don't give a shit who it triggers, the performative nature of it is fascist.
We cannot continue to let these cretins lie about this shit. They be
Horse shit (Score:5, Insightful)
Because that makes the game rather obvious, does it not? Submit and help throw the election or the pain continues.
Sorry dude, you are so full of shit simple googling refutes you and your fucked up projection about what you think happened.
Many of us are making sure there is ample documentation of this period. The Good Germans of this period are not going to be able to slink away.
Re:Horse shit (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm from one of those many countries that require an ID to vote. The difference is national IDs get handed automatically (I got mine at 12 y.o.), in some places IDs get handed at birth. People get registered automatically to vote and receive any additional documentation by post (for places that use paper cards), or can check online their voting location. So everybody has the needed documentation years in advance. It's designed to work smoothly.
If any change in legislation happens, such as changes in the voter registration procedure, it goes through procedures early in a legislature, such that it enters force at least one full year before next elections, so people can adapt and administrations can launch the needed communications campaigns. There are people paid to assist older or illiterate people with procedures, and for big changes I would expect door to door communication.
If your country suddenly require IDs to vote: how long did you give electors to adapt, what communication campaigns were organised, what practical help did you provide, and how did you ensure everyone would get their documents on time for vote? This is not about making favours to some people; a detailed implementation plan for a significant change in legislation is only good governance.
Re:Horse shit (Score:4, Insightful)
It's not that voter ID is a particularly bad idea. I mean, given the system that exists, I'm not sure it's worth the effort- but whatever. The problem with it, is that the goal isn't to "secure the vote". It's to disenfranchise people who have difficulty getting ID.
If you evaluate the demographics of people who will struggle with this, the reason for wanting voter ID becomes quite clear.
What's more valuable to them? Stopping the 4 people who accidentally voted in an election, and were run down afterwards, or disenfranchising literal actual millions of Americans who have a right to vote, but are going to vote against you?
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I mean seriously- are you fucking blind?
Watch the fucking video. You'd swallow Trump's load and say it was the best strawberry jam you ever had, wouldn't you?
Say whatever the fuck you want about that chick who was fucking with them on the road- but she was murdered, and you know it.
The wheels weren't aimed at the cop, the dude literally side-stepped her vehicle, and then fired into it from the side when it had no
Re: No Shit! (Score:2)
Harris told them not to come.
Re: No Shit! (Score:3, Insightful)
Israel isn't literally Nazi, but they are marching to an effectively identical tune, yes. They are doing a genocide and we are paying for it. In fact it's why we founded their country for them in the first place.
Re:No Shit! (Score:4, Informative)
The planet is overpopulated. The US is more overpopulated than most regions.
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Not sure why you think this. At 37 people per square kilometer, the US is not "more overpopulated than most regions". Even if you don't count Alaska, the US population density is only 44 people per square kilometer, which would place it 176th out of 245 in the list of countries by population density.
Pretty low compared to actually overpopulated countries, or even, say, most of Europe-- for example, the UK has 285 people per square km, or Germany with 242 people per square km.
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Meanwhile we were already looking at major problems supporting Social Security even with our old immigrant driven growth.
This should have been the expected result of our current immigration policies though as indiscriminately targeting ethnic minorities with government harassment is obviously going to discourage legal immigrants as well as the illegal ones.
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If the income level was raised at which Social Security was taxed, this wouldn't be an issue. Currently, the first $176,000 is taxed. Raise that to $300,000 and Social Security would be fine.
Re:Meanwhile (Score:5, Insightful)
Make it even higher than that- or remove the cap all together. What's the big idea giving those who don't need it a pass anyway? Something is going to have to change.
SS is the carrot that keeps us all quietly working. You want to start a revolution? End SS.
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I've been above the cap for over a decade, now (though not for much longer, it's definitely rising faster than my salary these days)
I never understood the logic of exempting the dollars that predominantly go to the labor-exploiting class from paying for the retirement of labor, particularly in this day and age where pensions are all but gone.
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So the logic that I've heard by someone who sounded reasonably intelligent (ie: not MAGA) is that Social Security has a hard limit on the payout side. To offset the fact that there is a payout limit, they also limit the amount of income that is brought into it. Reasonable people can argue if that should have been the case or not, but it's a decent justification of the income limit.
Remember SS was never designed to be another tax. It was meant to be a taxpayer funded safety net with very strictly defined
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FICA dollars are immediately invested in special treasuries and dropping into the FICA trust funds. They're untouchable by Congress (without major legislative overhaul, which has never happened)
On one hand, sure you don't want the trust funds to overfill, because Congress must pay the interest on the bonds (which is how the SS trust funds grow), but it's not too hard to think of ways to handle the issue of overshooting growth targets.
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My understanding is that was the original intent, but congress stole all the money and turned Social Security into a Ponzi scheme.
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That's a fantastic idea except we've known about this looming problem for a couple decades now and have not implemented it.
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No it wouldn't. Anyone taxed at the higher cap would be eligible for increased social security payments in the future. You're still robbing Peter to pay Paul.
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Immigrants have to pay into social security like everyone else.
In fact a lot of undocumented people pay taxes (usually using someone else's SSN, which has happened to me personally) and they pay into social security but won't be able to collect any. It will be HARDER to fund it without them.
Maybe try learning how any of this works before blathering
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This is why it's time to end social security.
The result will be a steep rise in petty crime, and you will have to pay more taxes to fight the crime, or even for a private security company to keep you safe. And with the rise of petty crime, there will come the rise of crime lords, which organize the petty crime and fight over turf, and you will get a new mob. And it will be 1925 all over again.
Not declining... (Score:2)
Endless growth is impossible (Score:5, Insightful)
This is so obvious that it seems to need no explanation, yet the entire science of economics is based on the fantasy of endless growth
We need steady-state sustainability
There is a chance that population decline along with increased use of automation might balance out
Right?! How is zero growth bad? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Zero growth, so the unemployed stay unemployed, and while we have inflation, we end up falling behind.
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Sure worked out for Japan! Er wait...
Needs Policies to Promote Child Births (Score:2, Interesting)
As with all "westernized" countries that are looking at population cliffs. Hopefully policies can be enacted that promote people having more or even at least one child.
Right now things are far too overpriced, with a lot of uncertainly. With the proper policies and support that could be changed.
But this isn't just a US problem. Most of Europe, and the "westernized" Asian countries like Japan and Korea are also experiencing this exact same problem.
But when you have young people coming out of college with hund
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It's not just "Westernized" countries, whatever that means. Birth rates are down everywhere, even in countries with traditionally high birth rates.
Examples: Kenya had 7.65 live births per woman in 1960 and is now at 3.26. India went from 5.92 to 1.99. Lebanon 5.88 to 2.26. Saudi Arabia 7.63 to 2.28.
There are no incentives in the world that can meaningfully change those numbers. We just have to adapt to a new reality.
It depends on how you count (Score:2)
For the MAGA dimwits, getting rid of negative value non-white people results in an effective population increase.
Sounds good to me (Score:2)
final stage (Score:2)
My guess is that we're entering the final stage of Universe 25.
ignoring the politics (Score:2, Insightful)
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Bingo. Financial strain, delaying starting families for a career, and abortion are the real factors we have a declining population. Two of those three are really uncomfortable for many to confront though, so it's easier to point the finger elsewhere.
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Abortion, really? Just how many do you think women are having?
Population is declining (Score:3, Insightful)
You cant rely on illegal immigration to prop up falling birth rates. That's absurd. If we're concerned with why we have a population decline, we should be looking at falling birth rates, not importing bodies.
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That's absurd.
Thanks for confirming you have no actual arguments.
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AI? (Score:2)
No shit (Score:2)
Fewer people are dating (Score:4)
Whether Trump's immigration policy is a trend that outlasts his presidency or a 4-year blip remains to be seen, but I wouldn't be surprised if population levels stagnate or decline anyway.
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No, they'll still get care- they'll just pay for it with the fortune that only an entire lifetime of easy economic opportunity brings. They spent their whole lives building the very system that's going to suck them dry. There might have been some help to take some of the pressure of, but as a voting bloc, they reliably voted against it every chance they had.
End of life care is now basically built specifically to extract all of the wealth from the boomer generation. When they're gone things are going to drastically change because the math wont work- the rest of us don't have even close to the resources they've managed to accrue.
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It's not just end of life care. Half of all healthcare dollars go to treating chronic conditions. If funding is reduced due to demographic problems, it's going to affect healthcare for people of all ages.
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Is this some racist ass drivel?
I worked with a lot of Mexicans, Guatemalans, and El Savadorans when I was in college (food service industry) and some Afghani refugees after the pull-out (Network Engineers)
I wouldn't classify any of them as low IQ. What makes you say that?
Re:oh no! anyway... (Score:4, Insightful)
quick lets flood the country with low IQ third worlders!
Have you looked at the current cabinet?
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I'm pretty contrarian, and pride myself in always trying to look at things from the perspective of the Devil's Advocate, but come the fuck on. I'll be the first to take a shot at someone I consider to be the liberal version of a MAGA voter. These people are actual fucking morons
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That certainly is a reversal. Usually they vote Democrat:
https://apnews.com/article/cri... [apnews.com]