HP Now Rents Gaming Laptops (pcgamer.com) 54
HP has quietly launched a gaming laptop subscription service called the OMEN Gaming Subscription that lets customers pay a monthly fee to use one of several gaming laptops but never actually own the hardware, even after paying well past the machine's retail price.
The service ranges from $50 a month for an HP Victus 15-inch laptop with an RTX 4050 to $130 a month for an Omen Max 16 with an RTX 5080. At current sale prices, subscribers would exceed the cost of buying the laptop outright within 16 to 19 months; at MSRP, that window stretches to roughly 25 months. In exchange for giving up ownership, subscribers get yearly hardware upgrades, next-day replacements, 24/7 support, and an ongoing warranty. There is a 30-day trial period, but cancelling in the second month triggers steep early termination fees -- $550 for the Victus 15 and $1,430 for the Omen Max 16. Cancellation becomes free only after the 13th month. HP also offers accessories like the HyperX Cloud Alpha Wireless headset as add-on rentals for $8 a month.
The service ranges from $50 a month for an HP Victus 15-inch laptop with an RTX 4050 to $130 a month for an Omen Max 16 with an RTX 5080. At current sale prices, subscribers would exceed the cost of buying the laptop outright within 16 to 19 months; at MSRP, that window stretches to roughly 25 months. In exchange for giving up ownership, subscribers get yearly hardware upgrades, next-day replacements, 24/7 support, and an ongoing warranty. There is a 30-day trial period, but cancelling in the second month triggers steep early termination fees -- $550 for the Victus 15 and $1,430 for the Omen Max 16. Cancellation becomes free only after the 13th month. HP also offers accessories like the HyperX Cloud Alpha Wireless headset as add-on rentals for $8 a month.
Subscription, or lease? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: (Score:2)
It's a terrible deal. The only thing worse is buying a lemon of a gaming laptop and being stuck dealing with the normal short term warranty. Otherwise, if you even financed at 10-20% interest you would probably be better off.
I hope they at least cover accidental damage.
Re: (Score:2)
1. A manacle, chain, and 100 Kiligram ball.
2. Contract of adhesion written on flypaper.
Re: (Score:3, Informative)
LTT looked at it and it does seem like a shitty deal. The cost isn't far off buying a new laptop every two years, and of course if you do that you can probably sell your old one.
Re:Subscription, or lease? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: (Score:3)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Buying a new one every two years, and you don't have to get a POS HP laptop.
Re:Subscription, or lease? (Score:4, Informative)
When you lease something, you end up with ownership. With these HP rentals, there's zero path at all to ownership. Thus, it's a subsrciption through and through.
Re: Subscription, or lease? (Score:2)
There are lots of leases without a purchase option.
Re: (Score:3)
Today I learned.
Where I come from, lease basically means you buy something, most probably a vehicle, with a loan. Once you have paid back the loan, you own the thing.
Turns out for most of people it's just another word for rent. Go figure.
Re: Subscription, or lease? (Score:2)
Yea. In colloquial usage there isn't much difference between lease, rent, subscription, etc.
Leasing a commercial space is like what you think of as rent. It's a long term contract for the right to use the space. With no permanent transfer of ownership in the agreement. Leasing equipment is also handled this way.
Short term, you can rent a chainsaw, a carpet cleaner, or an apartment. Every month you pay your rent and you get to stay. If you have a long term agreement, then it's technically a lease.
Rent to own
Re: (Score:2)
In these parts all of the leases are structured as ending with ownership. However, most cars are returned to the dealership before that. People either get bored of them and want newer ones, or the smart ones return theirs before they're due for the first major overhaul. So funnily enough, in practical terms, the lease is a rent.
The dealership gets a discount on any work to be done on the used cars because of the volume and ties to the manufacturer, and they get to sell the car a second time for another prof
Re:Subscription, or lease? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: (Score:2)
Commercial leases are often FMV or $1 buyout which determine what happens at lease end.
A Fair Market Value (FMV) lease is a flexible financing agreement -- often called an operating lease or "true lease" -- where you pay for the use of equipment over a fixed term rather than paying to own it. At the end of the term, you have the option to purchase the asset at its current "fair market value," return it, or upgrade to newer technology.
A $1 buyout lease (also known as a capital lease or finance lease) is a le
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Interesting, in the USA leases normally do not end with you owning the item. A typical house lease ends with you moving out or “extending” the lease for another month (or several), or getting another year’s lease frequently at a newer higher price. A car lease tends to have a buy out clause where you can purchase the car for a set price which normally ends up being above the “blue book” value at that time (the car manufacturer and bank tend to have better guesses about that v
Re: Subscription, or lease? (Score:4, Insightful)
A lease gives you the right, but not the obligation, to acquire the good for a small nominal price (for example, E extra monthly payments) at the end of the lease.
Renting does not.
This seems to be renting.
HP also offers leases, but for Pro grade PCs, for companies.
Re: Subscription, or lease? (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Step 1: Claim a shortage on GPUs, Memory, and processors.
Step 2: Only make high-spec laptops available via rental / lease.
Step 3: Collect tears along with lease payments.
Step 4: Frolicking executives / hookers and blow
Re: Subscription, or lease? (Score:1)
In reality, the hookers and blow are part of steps 1-3 (and 5+) too
Re: (Score:2)
In reality, the hookers and blow are part of steps 1-3 (and 5+) too
Where else does one find inspiration?
Re: (Score:1)
Inner reflection? :-)
Re: (Score:2)
Inner reflection? :-)
This is why you'll never reach the C-Suite.
Re: (Score:2)
Yeah I am super wary about this sort of thing. I still feel burnt after a decade ago going on a phone plan that offered free phone upgrades after a year. Instead they cancelled the plan a month before the year, and sent me a $500 bill to cover the rest of the phone. Not what I agreed to, and I took the telco to the small claims court and got a full refund of the plan instead. (The competition regulator (here in australia) ended up fining the telco over it, apparently they where doing this to everyone)
Horrible terms (Score:4, Insightful)
I was going to say that might make sense for short term needs. If you need a better PC for a 6 month job, do this.
But they dissallow the only sensible use for the customer, requiring a year long minimum.
It also illustrates total ignorance of how these kinds of rentals make a profit - people think they want it for 6 months, but end up keeping it for 5 years.
How many people actually end subscriptions when they stop needing them?
You will own nothing (Score:2)
And you will be "happy".
There is no other alternative - Margret Thatcher, former UK Prime Minister
This is where we are heading folks.
Take the time to think about this and let it sink in.
This also may be time to do some thinking about how to live off-grid if this lack of owning anything becomes reality. Become a Slab City refusenik?
Re:You will own nothing (Score:4, Insightful)
Re: You will own nothing (Score:2)
How does one 3D print a guillotine. Asking for a friend.
Renting vs Leasing (Score:2)
Leasing is a better option, because it gives you the right, but not the obligation, to acquire the good at the end of the lease time.
Renting ceratin things, like GAMING laptops, can also make sense, because laptos have high wear and tear, and because, due to the limits inherent to the form factor, they become obsolete for the intended purpose (gaming) quite quickly
So, in the middle of the RAMpocalypse, with bonker prices, we have another option.
More options are good, if you can do the math to figure out, in
Re:Renting vs Leasing vs buying (Score:4, Informative)
My father, years ago (mid 1990's) leased Dell desktops for his law office. He did the 4 year lease they offered at the time. When it came time to upgrade after 2 (as part of the lease) I had to spend 4 days backing up and clearing drives to make sure nothing private left the office. That is 4 days down time. That is 4 days at $50+/hr. Once the drives were clean we sent the systems back. Dell wanted them back and promised next day delivery for the new ones. 8 days later they arrived.
Reminder: LAW office.
Once everything was back up and running, I looked over the details of each system. The upgrade? Newer hardware? No. Better hardware? No. SAME HARDWARE, including chip serial numbers in many cases (The law office documented EVERYTHING with pictures, inside and out). They changed out the drives, and the cases but put most of the same hardware back in the new cases.
Let us just say that the next hardware was purchased (buy, not lease) from a different vendor on Dell's dime, and was significantly better hardware, that lasted more than the next decade until he retired. Hardware was running Windows 7 easily by the time it was scrapped and the only reason it wasn't running Windows 8 was that by that time the new License agreements meant that Lawyers should (legally) never use a Microsoft product again.
Read and understand the EULAs. It will scare you what you are giving up to these companies even when purchasing.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
They rent consumer printers too! (Score:2)
Of course, they're much less upfront about their printer rentals. You can 'buy' the printers at the store, yet pay ongoing fees in the form of being locked into buying supplies from HP at inflated prices. Their laptop rental sca.. er, scheme, is at least openly advertised as a rental.
Snarkasm aside, it occurs to me that the market for these laptops might have significant overlap with the market for payday loan services.
Sad that HP has fallen so far (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
First Agilent spun off with the medical stuff, and probably other general stuff (signal generators, for example). Then what was left split into Hewlett-Packard for consumer stuff (printers, laptops, etc) and HP Enterprise (for datacenter gear). Haven't paid a lot of attention since 2020; they may have split again for all I know.
Compare with a GPU server (Score:3)
How does renting a laptop with a GPU compare to renting a server with a GPU?
Hetzner offers a server with a Nvidia RTX 4000 GPU and 64GB RAM + 20GB vRAM for $205/mo + $312 setup fee. If I want to rent one for a month, to experiment running LLMs, it will cost me $517. I can rent an HP laptop with a comparable GPU (but with less memory) for just $50. If I want to rent one indefinitely, the laptop is 4 times cheaper than the server.
Re: (Score:3)
Not defending HP's ludicrous rental scheme but if you're wanting to play with local LLMs the mobile chip in the laptop is going to be underpowered compared to the full sized chip in the Hetzner server. Despite the name the chip in the laptop will have far fewer compute cores and a fraction of the VRAM. It will also have more thermal throttling. If you want to play with LLMs you'd be better off just doing cloud instances with inference providers. They're often cheaper than a dedicated monthly server.
Re: (Score:2)
The sever rental also includes power and bandwidth as part of the cost...
Re: Compare with a GPU server (Score:2)
Please read the headline and TFS. These are GAMING laptops for rent. Not AI/EDeveloper laptops for rent. If you want to game on your hetzner server, RTT (a.k.a. ping times, latency) can be a issue, depending where you live. No such problems with a rented GAMING laptop.
Re: (Score:2)
Will HP charge me a Non-Gaming fee, if I use their gaming laptops for something other than playing games?
You've never heard that GPUs (Graphics Processing Units), are often repurposed for AI workloads?
There is a precedence for this line of thinking: NVIDIA Limits RTX 3060 Crypto Speeds As it Introduces Mining Cards [slashdot.org]. So yes, you have a point.
I wonder if you are allowed to replace the operating system on a rented laptop.
Every tool is a hammer, except for the screwdriver, which is also a chisel.
Re: Pretty soon everything will be rented/subsc mo (Score:2)
I've been using PCs since 1983, in an academy, or hand-me-downs. The first PC I specked myself was U$D 3000 in 1994 dollars. I would have killed for a rent option at that time... Probably would have diched my 286 a couple of years sooner, and ditched that P90 for a P233MMX sooner...
Renting/leasing is not intrinsically bad, as long as you can do the math to know what option is right in each particular case.
The K-Shaped Economy Comes Home (Score:1)
Bad OMENs (Score:2)
NZXT Flex anyone? (Score:2)
This reminds me of the NZXT Flex subscription which was panned universally by literally everyone who has looked into it as a hyper expensive waste of money.
What are the restrictions? (Score:3)
I can already hear the customer service: "Sir, we shipped it with Windows 11, you removed that, we're not liable for issues now.", and how do you respond? I actually like the idea, I can see where it would work, but will you have reasonable free rein? I can see valid arguments, if you open it up and replace the memory, or install liquid metal, you're asking for a customer service beat down, but inside reasonable changes, like the OS, I wonder if that will be covered.
will they pull the rent a car ding and dent scam w (Score:2)
will they pull the rent a car ding and dent scam with big fees for ware and tare damage?
\o/ (Score:1)
No. Just no. As someone who has suffered HP products on the past, couldn't people just hit themselves in the head with a piece of wood in preference to the nightmare that is their:
* DRM in unusual places
* Complete inability to make a cohesive website
* Price gouging
HP's downfall (Score:2)