UK Orders Deletion of Country's Largest Court Reporting Archive (thetimes.com) 57
The UK's Ministry of Justice has ordered the deletion of the country's largest court reporting archive [non-paywalled source], a database built by data analysis company Courtsdesk that more than 1,500 journalists across 39 media organizations have used since the lord chancellor approved the project in 2021.
Courtsdesk's research found that journalists received no advance notice of 1.6 million criminal hearings, that court case listings were accurate on just 4.2% of sitting days, and that half a million weekend cases were heard without any press notification. In November, HM Courts and Tribunal Service issued a cessation notice citing "unauthorized sharing" of court data based on a test feature.
Courtsdesk says it wrote 16 times asking for dialogue and requested a referral to the Information Commissioner's Office; no referral was made. The government issued a final refusal last week, and the archive must now be deleted within days. Chris Philp, the former justice minister who approved the pilot and now shadow home secretary, has written to courts minister Sarah Sackman demanding the decision be reversed.
Courtsdesk's research found that journalists received no advance notice of 1.6 million criminal hearings, that court case listings were accurate on just 4.2% of sitting days, and that half a million weekend cases were heard without any press notification. In November, HM Courts and Tribunal Service issued a cessation notice citing "unauthorized sharing" of court data based on a test feature.
Courtsdesk says it wrote 16 times asking for dialogue and requested a referral to the Information Commissioner's Office; no referral was made. The government issued a final refusal last week, and the archive must now be deleted within days. Chris Philp, the former justice minister who approved the pilot and now shadow home secretary, has written to courts minister Sarah Sackman demanding the decision be reversed.
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Re:Ok (Score:4, Interesting)
So seems they took the freely given data and sold it off to AI companies. I see why they're unimpressed.
not in the way we'd normally think.
the non-paywall article is more informative than the main:
Leahy said Courtsdesk didn’t “share” data with an AI company but “hired them to test an idea”.
He also said that “every word of what they could do with the data was written down”.
“They could not use the data for any purpose other than providing services to us; they could not share it with anyone; and they could not use it to train any AI model.”
He said all of this information was related to the Ministry of Justice but that no response was received.
they also mention that the current governments' own data privacy department doesn't consider it a breach of any sort.
either the MoJ is confused or they really are trying to decrease transparency
Re:Ok (Score:5, Insightful)
This also serves as a reminder as to why the separation of powers is a good thing. The UK puts the legislature in charge of everything, instead of breaking out the court and executive branches.
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One American citizen executed in the street by masked men is still one too many
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But using that to claim this is 1936 Germany with the Gestapo summarily executing people is fucking stupid.
This is law enforcement run amok- it's what happens when you hire any fucking moron with a tiny dick you can, throw a badge and a gun in their hands, and tell them to go round up "illegals".
These dumb fuckers aren't professionals.
Frankly, it's remarkable there have been as few shootings as there have been.
But still, the Gestapo they are not.
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Yes they are.
It's not the "execution" part that makes them Geatapo, it's the "...and then the perpetrator was protected from inquiry and lawful investigation."
Doesn't matter if it was only one (it was actually two that we know of), it could as well be 3, 4, 40, ... there's no consequence for the Gestapo doing it. Therefore it will soon.be more.
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Yes they are.
You are the fucking problem. This level of fucking stupidity and hyperbole makes it impossible to gauge actual problems.
It's not the "execution" part that makes them Geatapo, it's the "...and then the perpetrator was protected from inquiry and lawful investigation."
Police immunity is complicated and exists within all modern states.
It's far too early to tell just how immune these actions will be. Like State and local abuses of police power, they take a bit to go through the courts and investigatory phases due to qualified immunity.
Doesn't matter if it was only one (it was actually two that we know of), it could as well be 3, 4, 40, ... there's no consequence for the Gestapo doing it. Therefore it will soon.be more.
The sky is falling, the sky is falling!
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The sky is falling, the sky is falling!
Suit yourself. I'm not the one whose children will walk around in shame for a generation or two, like the Germans did after WW2.
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I'll grant you this, with how badly education is dropping off, I wouldn't be surprised if future generations of children are too fucking stupid to tell them apart. Whatever your generation is seems to be.
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'll grant you this, with how badly education is dropping off, [...]
Nice try, but far off.
I had large parts of my education in Germany (though I wasn't born there), and went through all the social and educational post-processing of the guilt associated with being the nation that invented Nazism and systematic extermination of marginalized groups at scale. I didn't understand it back then why this was necessary, but I do now, and it worked: I'm part of the collective immune system that recognizes such threats faster than the rest. This is the reason, BTW, why Germany voted a
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I had large parts of my education in Germany (though I wasn't born there), and went through all the social and educational post-processing of the guilt associated with being the nation that invented Nazism and systematic extermination of marginalized groups at scale.
AfD what?
I'm part of the collective immune system that recognizes such threats faster than the rest.
That's a neat story you've invented for yourself.
This is the reason, BTW, why Germany voted a piss-ass central-right party with overwhelming majority and a historically high election turnout of around 80%, 2 years ago -- although they knew it was the same party that had maneuvered Germany into a tar pit of economic situation for the past half century: because Trump had just gotten elected, and nobody wanted another right-wing party in power with AfD. So they strategically voted CDU/CSU, against all personal pain, although they must be one of the most hated mainstream parties by now.
with AfD
This is a bullshit origin story you've invented for yourself, nothing more.
And as far as I can tell, the only one thing that makes today's USA different from 1930's Nazi-imminent Germany is that you won't have the "but we didn't know..." excuse won't work for you.
That's because you're a fucking idiot.
In the 1930s, the NSDAP seized power (erm, were granted it by the President, cough), outlawed all rival parties, literally murdered everyone in their ranks that didn't agree with Hitler, and then started rounding up political dissidents.
We know you know. We're telling you right now. And specifically me telling you, personally, is public record.
You don't know your head from your asshole.
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Being abusive doesn't make you right.
Outlawing opposing parties was the mechanism of the day back then. Today we don't do that, we have different mechanisms. Still doesn't change the fact that you're defending a bunch of Nazis.
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I'm not defending anyone.
There's no fucking question that there is a strong fascist bent within the fuckers in power.
However, Nazis they are not.
The unprofessional goon squad roaming around picking up illegal immigrants are in no way comparable to the SA, SS, or the later Gestapo.
Forming a false equivalence between those dumbshits and the fucking surgical subversion of a State and murder of everyone who disagreed with them is just a lame i
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One American citizen executed in the street by masked men is still one too many
There were two American citizens shot to death in Minneapolis. Who knows how many others were shot dead, but without a spotlight, were claimed as "resisting arrest"?
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The thing with all of that is that the particular system doesn't matter too much.
Good people can make bad systems work. Good systems cannot make bad people work.
And the oft touted checks and balances fail when you need them the most.
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That is a counsel of despair! In any sufficiently large group, there will always be bad people and mad people, but they can do relatively little damage by themselves. The question is how to prevent them from rising to power.
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The question is how to prevent [bad/mad people] from rising to power.
After all of the history of human civilization, about 7500 - 12000 years, depending on your viewpoint, this question remains basically unanswered. If enough of good people keep a vigilant watch, and are empowered to act, you can do rather long stretches. But so far every time we tried, bad people ended up in power sooner or later. The good thing is, however much the bad people tried, good people ended up in power sooner or later, too.
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Could you expand on how someone was forced to withdraw, what timeline do you have for that?
You know I can see nothing in your comment that makes it ok for federal officers to kill people, there is nothing in there that even comes near the limit for deadly force or force in any matter.
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You'd have to believe that its okay to run over law enforcement with your car while fleeing arrest and that it's perfectly fine to attack agents and their vehicles while armed. Both instances had an easily demonstrable lethal threat to the federal agents which makes their use of force justifiable. How far gone do you have to be to think that the actions of either of those activists were in any way lawful or peaceful in nature?
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Where do you get this idea that ICE agents are poorly-trained?
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You said lady blah blah blah and then they executed her on the street. You said man blah blah blah and then they executed him on the street.
I think it is allowed in the USA based on watching Robocop
FTFY (Score:1)
This persistent twisting of facts by the right has to stop.
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Flat out lies. Any proper check of these stories will show video proving such.
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Because pumping 9 bullets into a demonstrator just because your boss doesn't like him is scandalous.
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The former American who came down from Canada to block law enforcement and put herself in a position where law enforcement agents reasonably believed they were in mortal danger, on the other hand, f'd around and
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Buddy you better take a look in the mirror.
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Is the low accuracy due to the MoJ or the database operator or someone else?
This won't spare them much embarrassment. The data still exists and statistics on their failures will still be published. We are moving away from jury trials to judge trials for many offences, to try to clear a years long backlog of cases that the previous government allowed to build up by cutting funding to the system.
There is little incentive for the current government to hide anything, because their measures haven't started yet,
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It's getting to the point where Parliament isn't holding up its end of the Magna Carta. I'm starting to think the King should tear it up and demand a formal Constitution that f
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Or the MoJ is horribly embarrassed when shown that they are doing a really bad job.
This is not America, the records aren't being destroyed. All that's happening is one company that was given access to records to create an archive and abused that to use the information in ways it wasn't allowed to in the contract is being told that because of the breach of contract it has to now delete that archive.
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Embarrassing (Score:3, Insightful)
UK is frustrated with reports on social media arrests.
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What the summary fails to mention is that this is in response to them selling the data to an AI company, including a large amount of personal and private data.
Legal data like this is protected in the UK, and in Europe thanks to GDPR. Access to it is intentionally harder than just googling someone's name, and there are things like the Right to be Forgotten. For example, if you are applying for a job, an employer should not be able to put your name into Google and see that you were bankrupt 12 years ago. Same
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Is that you, Elon?
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Hey, I didn't know you were still alive
Reporting the wrong info (Score:5, Insightful)
As an American: Can it be hosted in the USA? (Score:2)
I'm sure I'm not the only American that's willing to host and support The Free Press.
In America, UK has no power (since 1776)
Imagine the political possibilities if we hosted this on American soil on American servers.
Re:As an American: Can it be hosted in the USA? (Score:4, Insightful)
Seems fair, as long as USA let their "content of interest" (i.e. Epstein files) to be hosted abroad.
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authority (Score:3)
Orwell was wrong (Score:2)
Orwell got the date wrong.