Palo Alto Chose Not To Tie China To Hacking Campaign For Fear of Retaliation From Beijing (reuters.com) 45
An anonymous reader shares a report: Palo Alto Networks opted not to tie China to a global cyberespionage campaign the firm exposed last week over concerns that the cybersecurity company or its clients could face retaliation from Beijing, according to two people familiar with the matter. The sources said that Palo Alto's findings that China was tied to the sprawling hacking spree were dialed back following last month's news, first reported by Reuters, that Palo Alto was one of about 15 U.S. and Israeli cybersecurity companies whose software had been banned by Chinese authorities on national security grounds.
A draft version of the report by Palo Alto's Unit 42, the company's threat intelligence arm, said that the prolific hackers -- dubbed "TGR-STA-1030" in a report published on Thursday of last week -- were connected to Beijing, the two people said. The finished report instead described the hacking group more vaguely as a "state-aligned group that operates out of Asia." Attributing sophisticated hacks is notoriously difficult and debates over how best to assign blame for digital intrusions are common among cybersecurity researchers.
A draft version of the report by Palo Alto's Unit 42, the company's threat intelligence arm, said that the prolific hackers -- dubbed "TGR-STA-1030" in a report published on Thursday of last week -- were connected to Beijing, the two people said. The finished report instead described the hacking group more vaguely as a "state-aligned group that operates out of Asia." Attributing sophisticated hacks is notoriously difficult and debates over how best to assign blame for digital intrusions are common among cybersecurity researchers.
Cowards (Score:5, Insightful)
If you let them off to hook, it'll only get worse.
Re: (Score:3, Informative)
Pedo protecting Trump officials laugh at you pitiful example of reach.
The fact Trump hasn't fired Pam Bondi after her disastrous display. Shows she was doing exactly what he wanted.
pedo protecting goes right to the top.
Re: Cowards (Score:2)
Did you read the same post I did? It clearly indicates that they actually didn't know the identity of the hackers, and with the skills of the CIA wrt making hacks looks like they come from elsewhere, I'm not surprised. It's rather refreshing to see some not falling for the CIA's tricks, for a change.
"state-aligned group that operates out of Asia" (Score:3)
Re: "state-aligned group that operates out of Asia (Score:3)
Yes, nice. But then you read "Attributing sophisticated hacks is notoriously difficult and debates over how best to assign blame for digital intrusions are common among cybersecurity researchers." and with a grain of salt in your head you should be able to question "how, then, did you figure out it was the chinese?".
Re: "state-aligned group that operates out of Asia (Score:1)
Yes, it means the CIA, who have documented skills at making hacking look like it comes from...anywhere.
And there went any and all trust. (Score:2, Interesting)
If PA is willing to engage in deception and coverups in order to simp and cover for authoritarians... and obviously they are, because they did... then they can simply never be trusted in a security context again. And since security is basically their entire thing; anyone who uses them or continues to use them, moving forward, is a catastrophic fool.
Re: And there went any and all trust. (Score:2)
And all the unconstitutional surveillance of own citizens that goes on is ok? Heh ok ok
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Exactly. Palo Alto's 15 minutes of fame, but not quite the way they wanted it.
“It takes a lifetime to build a good reputation, but you can lose it in a minute.”
- Will Rogers
Expect this to be referenced for a long time like Sony's root-kit [grokipedia.com].
When Nixon opened up China (Score:3, Interesting)
I mean anyone paying attention knows Nixon was always full of shit about practically everything but this one especially stings. Instead of America exporting democracy to china, China is exporting authoritarian fascism to america.
Re:When Nixon opened up China (Score:4, Insightful)
Easy, he's shifted the focus of America's hegemonic power away from Asia and to South America which is extremely stupid.
Basically Trump is a coward and not willing to put his rep on the line unless it's a sure thing, like the US military beating up on smaller countries rather than risk something even if just and in Americas interest like standing up for Taiwan or supplying aid to Ukraine. Big part of the reason he loves Israel and Netenyahu, they're dominant in the region, easy "wins" for him and that's what matters most, how he feels, not Americas reputation or interests.
The greatest trick MAGA ever pulled is the idea of TDS when all the accusations are true. He just sucks all around. It's not deranged when it's reality.
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The greatest trick MAGA ever pulled is the idea of TDS when all the accusations are true. He just sucks all around. It's not deranged when it's reality.
TDS has always been the people unwilling to say the emperor has no clothes.
Indirectly perhaps, but really the TDS label is a weapon used by MAGA to justify ignoring criticism of Trump. Just imagine your interlocutor is mentally ill, and voilà, problem solved.
It may also be intended to mock those with criticisms of Trump, but who they're really mocking are people who are suffering from legitimate metal illnesses -- ones you'll actually find in the DSM-5. [psychiatry.org]
And for these reasons, those who play the TDS card deserve contempt.
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Oops ... mental, not metal illnesses.
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may also be intended to mock those with criticisms of Trump
It's exactly that and on top of that it's to cowtow the "mainstream media" into treating the admin with kid gloves because they will refuse to take a challenging interview or answer tough questions because they can just cry TDS and then retreat to their safe space of conservative media and podcasts where they know they will just get glazed.
If things were not so gross at the moment we could laugh at the fact of how Republicans became the most safe-space loving snowflakes they had spent the last decade decryi
Consider the alternative (Score:3)
The idea of exporting Western European democracy to cultures
it does not fit was bipartisan, but reducing the odds of nuclear war by giving the CCP economic skin in the game was an improvement over decades of nuclear standoff.
Nixons and millions of other Americans key error was imagining US businesses were capable of patriotism.
Democracy ensured idiocracy so here we are. I can't blame the rich for taking advantage of thoroughly unappealing bipedal bovines.
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Wouldn't a democracy make China even stronger????
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Yes. The book "The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government" has a section discussing the rise of Nixon's corruption. His abuse of power started at least as early as an officer in the Navy overseeing spending contracts. He was then tapped as a useful asset to spoil a California election. His handlers were as anti-democratic as people get.
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Who let China into WTO with "Most Preferred Status?"
It wasn't Tricky Dicky.
It was Billy Bob Clinton.
Nixon opened the door, but Billy Bob Clinton took the door off the hinges.
Wherever you're getting your talking points from is failing you miserably.. you should really return all the yuan they're paying you to shit all over this site.
Manufacturing in the US didn't crater 'til after China was let into WTO. Fact.
https://global-uploads.webflow... [webflow.com]
Now. Would you care to re-assess your statement, or are you gonna
Automation was going to Crater manufacturing (Score:3)
The Republicans don't talk about it because it lets them shift wealth to the top and as the right wing party that is a positive outcome in their minds.
The Democrats don't know what the fuck to do about it because outside of wealth redistribution there really isn't anything you can do about it and the voters don't like socialism.
We've got to figure something out fast. America is at 25% func
Re: When Nixon opened up China (Score:1)
Don't blame China for your own political problems...you only have yourselves to blame. China is not the USA and does not force it's politics on others.
MICROS~1 strikes again .. (Score:1)
A new level of ... (Score:2)
Abusive (Score:2)
Woman [eyes to the floor]: I ran into a door, Officer. I'm so clumsy sometimes.
Police: Really, ma'am? It looks to me like your boyfriend beat you pretty hard. For your own safety, I suggest you press charges so that I can arrest him and you can seek a restraining order.
Woman: No, that won't be necessary, Officer. He's very sorry and won't do it again.
These kinds of stories never end well.
Goes both ways (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: Goes both ways (Score:2)
Not only that, but they can make their hacks on non-Chinese system look like they come from China! You really cannot tell...
But, yeah, everyone does it to everyone else, so you'll be correct at some point. It all boils down to "it's OK when we do it, but not when they do it".
Re: Not just Palo Alto bending a knee ... (Score:1)
It's a fight against the sponsorship provided by the US government for anything that vilified China...there is money up for grabs for anything "China bad".
Anything China does to counter it is peanuts in comparison.
Um...Palo Alto is actually a Silicon Valley City (Score:2)
Obvious (Score:2)
"state-aligned group that operates out of Asia."
They don't need to actually say it. Everyone knows it is Maldives.
Re: Obvious (Score:1)
I was thinking of (eastern) Egypt. Americans don't seem to understand what "Asia" is, and how big and heterogeneous it is. Calling someone "Asian" is almost meaningless.
Oh, yes, I've seen this one. (Score:2)
Give the bully your lunch money (Score:2)
If you stop paying your lunch money to the bully, he might get mad and act against you!
No joke about moral turpitude? (Score:2)
Or how about a joke on the cesspool of the vanities that Palo Alto has devolved into?