Texas Sues TP-Link Over China Links and Security Vulnerabilities (theregister.com) 46
TP-Link is facing legal action from the state of Texas for allegedly misleading consumers with "Made in Vietnam" claims despite China-dominated manufacturing and supply chains, and for marketing its devices as secure despite reported firmware vulnerabilities exploited by Chinese state-sponsored actors. The Register: The Lone Star State's Attorney General, Ken Paxton, is filing the lawsuit against California-based TP-Link Systems Inc., which was originally founded in China, accusing it of deceptively marketing its networking devices and alleging that its security practices and China-based affiliations allowed Chinese state-sponsored actors to access devices in the homes of American consumers.
It is understood that this is just the first of several lawsuits that the Office of the Attorney General intends to file this week against "China-aligned companies," as part of a coordinated effort to hold China accountable under Texas law. The lawsuit claims that TP-Link is the dominant player in the US networking and smart home market, controlling 65 percent of the American market for network devices.
It also alleges that TP-Link represents to American consumers that the devices it markets and sells within the US are manufactured in Vietnam, and that consistent with this, the devices it sells in the American market carry a "Made in Vietnam" sticker.
It is understood that this is just the first of several lawsuits that the Office of the Attorney General intends to file this week against "China-aligned companies," as part of a coordinated effort to hold China accountable under Texas law. The lawsuit claims that TP-Link is the dominant player in the US networking and smart home market, controlling 65 percent of the American market for network devices.
It also alleges that TP-Link represents to American consumers that the devices it markets and sells within the US are manufactured in Vietnam, and that consistent with this, the devices it sells in the American market carry a "Made in Vietnam" sticker.
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I have a big house and I need my router to reach to a separate building way on the other side from where the service comes into the house. There was basically two choices for a mesh that would reach far enough. TP-LINK for $500 and Netgear for $900. Are people supposed to suddenly volunteer out of the capitalist system and throw money out, buying the more expensive system for vague accusations that haven't even been proven?
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How the hell far from your house is this building?
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You are assuming he only needed 2. That was never mentioned in the post you responded to.
TP Link has many different mesh routers, at least one model (AX3000) you can get 12 mesh APs for $500.
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The set came with 3 access points, which just reach far enough between them for my whole house and double garage and building if they are arranged in a line. Keep in mind that this may not be a long distance, but it's a lot of walls and cement siding and two floors and a basement in the house.
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I don't care about bandwidth. I care about having Internet without spending possibly more than a weekend running cables.
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Of course I am, don't waste my time with the obvious!
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This is all Canadian dollars btw
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You are assuming that was the only thing he needed a mesh router for, which is not the only or most likely possibility. Your assumptions are getting in the way of reality. Both were not warranted, and I would never have assumed either point.
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That would be a good excuse only if you completely ignored the first 5 words of his post:
I have a big house and I need my router to reach to a separate building way on the other side from where the service comes into the house.
What you assumed was unreasonable because you either didn't read the entire sentence or it was above your reading level. Either way, you still made unwarranted and incorrect assumptions.
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Yes he replied and clarified you were wrong in your assumption that he only needed 2 point to point.
It's amazing how far you go to defend being wrong.
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What have you been using to scan your home network for exploitable vulnerabilities?
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if you can get hold of some enterprise switches (used ones can be found for quite cheap) then you can configure ports on them as sniffer ports, aka all traffic on the entire switch is sent to that port, then you connect that port to an extra port on a machine that runs something like tcpdump or wireshark on a 24x7 basis and store everything to disk in pcap.
Then you can just add some devices and old computers with intentionally bad security to that switch and expose it to the Internet and you have a very bas
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Your setup sounds way more manual than I have time for. I'll just stick with blocking outbound traffic to most nations plus a ton of lists, and running snort on the rest.
Plus, you must burn through drive space like crazy! I'm just thinking about how this conversation we're
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I'm working on building a network traffic monitoring system so I can have nice traffic graphs like I get from Unifi, along with notifications of blocked outbound traffic. That's about the level of detail I'm looking for.
I'm going to wander a bit from the topic now. I recently ran a pentest on my home network (testing a new service), and the open ports on my Vizio TV were baffling. There was a port marked for some
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Looks like grandstanding (Score:3, Interesting)
Aren't those "Made in " labels Federally regulated by the Federal Trade Commission? If so this lawsuit is going to get dismissed on Federal supremacy grounds.
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Oh, if you were thinking about double-jeopardy, that applies to each level of government separately. A State can't try you twice for the
Inspection (Score:2)
There must surely be some solution to this type of problem.
Problem: We purchase a device and we want to be confident that it doesn't function in an unscrupulous manner.
Perhaps the solution would necessitate the internals to be open for inspection, if not for everyone, then at least for a trusted third party. This service would need to be not only at a point of certification, but at any time during the use of the product.
e.g. I have a router made in China (or wherever). I can at any time request an inspectio
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There must surely be some solution to this type of problem.
Problem: We purchase a device and we want to be confident that it doesn't function in an unscrupulous manner.
Wikileaks exposed in 2017 that the US spy agencies hijacked Samsung TVs to monitor people, making them appear to be on standby. Yeah, I wouldn't trust US authorities as far as I could spit.
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One would be foolhardy to disregard the difference.
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The problem is that it's not the current firmware that matters. What matters is the firmware that could be installed in a future update.
TP-Link Gear Is Fine (Score:3)
All the accusations toward TP-Link and the best and only evidence that anyone has ever been able to produce is that the firmware is bug ridden crap. Not a single shred of evidence of actual backdoors or surreptitious spying. Lowest budget incompetence, not maliciousness.
I've used a smattering of TP-Link gear -- small switches mostly -- though not the home "routers". The equipment is middling and adequate and the price is unbeatable. I've seen zero attempts at unexpected phoning home or anything suspicious.
If you can find firmware that functions for your application needs, TP-Link is just fine.
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If you're going to put a backdoor in something, you'd always want deniability so of course you'd make it look like a bug.
In terms of lowest budget, they don't actually have to develop any firmware at all for a lot of devices. There is already open source firmware like OpenWRT which they could ship. This would both save them money and provide a better experience for users.
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The firmware isn't even that bad, in the scheme of things. About on par with most other vendors.
The only ones that really seem to have above average quality firmware are the ones that use OpenWRT like GL.iNet, and maybe FRITZ!box.
I like GL.iNet myself. Solid hardware, runs their build of OpenWRT which is a bit more friendly but allows you to access to OpenWRT interface if you need to, and they support flashing raw OpenWRT as well. There are some things they don't make though, like powerline adapters and plu
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For years I used whatever home router I could afford and load OpenWRT onto until I was able to deploy a separate firewall and AP.
So, my unsolicited advice is to take an old computer, slap a second NIC in there, and throw PFsense (or something) on it. That way you can save some cash and buy pure APs instead of wifi routers.
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The problem with Ubiquity is that I'm European and they are American.
They seem like an okay company, but with the way things are going, it seems unwise to rely on anything American.
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Whatever terrible thing you imagine the US might do, China is already doing it, and the US probably isn't even thinking about it.
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The issue is the US may take steps to interfere with exported equipment, or the NSA might get involved. Okay, China could do that too in theory, but even if they did, the Chinese government is much less of an issue for us. Historically, in the last 10 years in particular, it's tended to be US companies that lock stuff down, that remove features after you paid for them, that decide to stop supporting open source, that force updates.
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And if you think an unfriendly government is less of an issue than a friendly one, I don't know what to say.
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That's just silly. Especially if you're comparing to China.
It's not. China may do some spying, the USA on the other hand have had their tech companies actively interfere with European affairs. China is trying to work with the EU, the USA is actively attacking them economically. Right now the bigger threat is China.
If you're making hardware decisions based on your opinion of another nation's elected leader, you have your priorities well out of order.
The other nation's leader defines the threat profile.
pandering to voters (Score:4, Insightful)
Paxton is running in the upcoming Senate primary against the incumbent, John Cornyn. This is just an attempt to grab attention prior to the vote. The TP gear probably is made in Vietnam even if all the design and tech comes from China. Not much he can do about that but it might get him a sound bite on Fox.
I hope he does win the primary though. He is thoroughly repulsive, and was under investigation for corruption by the DOJ until trump quashed it for him. His wife divorced him for adultery. A much easier candidate to beat in the general election than Cornyn.
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Paxton will get voted out when his shenanigans start costing the local taxpayer too much. Remember Joe “I torture immigrants live on telivision” Arpaio? His
that's cute... (Score:3)
The amount of things "Made in the USA" that are "assembled" in the US, and not even from individual pieces, just the last step of assembly, or sometimes simply repackaged... and that's fine... consumers don't need to know about deception from/by US companies... :/
Or the new one replacing "Made In the USA" with "Designed In the USA"
Re: that's cute... (Score:2)
Works for Apple. "Designed by Apple in California". Not for Texas, though.
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TP-Link is facing legal action from the state of Texas for allegedly misleading consumers with "Made in Vietnam" claims despite China-dominated manufacturing and supply chains
Next do Harley-Davidson. Virtually all of the parts are made in China including the engine blocks.