United Airlines Can Now Boot Passengers Who Refuse To Use Headphones (cbsnews.com) 159
United Airlines has updated its contract of carriage to require passengers to use headphones when playing audio or video on personal devices during flights. Travelers who refuse could be removed from the plane or even permanently banned from flying with the airline, reports CBS News.
United notes that it will offer customers who forget theirs a free pair of wired earbuds. "Don't worry if you forget your headphones for your flight," the airline states on its website. "If they're available, you can request free earbuds." You'd better hope your device still has a headphone jack...
Further reading: Flying Was Already the Worst. Then America Stopped Using Headphones.
United notes that it will offer customers who forget theirs a free pair of wired earbuds. "Don't worry if you forget your headphones for your flight," the airline states on its website. "If they're available, you can request free earbuds." You'd better hope your device still has a headphone jack...
Further reading: Flying Was Already the Worst. Then America Stopped Using Headphones.
It's a start, I suppose (Score:5, Funny)
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Why half ass it? Go all the way and install noise activated ejection seats!
That was the first thing I thought when I read "Travelers who refuse could be removed from the plane", but to do this practically you would really need an airlock.
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Duct tape suffices.
Re:It's a start, I suppose (Score:5, Insightful)
This reminds me of the scene from Indiana Jones where he gets on the Zepplin (air ship) and ends up tossing someone out of a window. All the passengers look alarmed, and he just says "No ticket". Everyone quickly scrambles to find their tickets. Good stuff. May of been the best part of that movie, next to his Dad making all those birds fly away into the fighter jet on the beach. That was pretty funny too.
Re: It's a start, I suppose (Score:3)
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Why half ass it? Go all the way and install noise activated ejection seats!
If the steward finds a button professionally laser etched with the words “Ejecto Seato” on it, the Hollywood lawyers said they’ll sign off on it.
Good. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Good. (Score:5, Interesting)
My wife flew to Bangkok recently, night flight, and the 2 rows behind her were populated with very loud Russians, who were just laughing at her and getting even louder after she asked them if they could be quieter so people could sleep... I have no clue why the crew didn't do anything, but they didn't.
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My wife flew to Bangkok recently
*giggles*
Re:Good. (Score:4, Informative)
What happens if you ask them to be quiet?
An elderly man shoots you dead. https://abc7chicago.com/post/c... [abc7chicago.com]
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.... shoots you
.... and gets acquitted...!
Remind me not to bring popcorn!
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What happens if you just blast your own stuff, maybe crazy frog or baby shark louder then tham ? Do they accept it or ask you to stop ?
Re:Good. (Score:4, Insightful)
This division is intentional so that humans in different countries do not realize how similar they are and demand better of their own leaders
Ugly Americans [wikipedia.org] wasn't just a cartoon, it was how the civilized world looked at us loud hicks for decades... probably still is if you ask gweihr
Re: Good. (Score:3)
It's way worse now. Now they think we are all Nazi pedos
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Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.
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How you find some new material, buddy.
You've been going on about pedos and Nazis so much... I think me and the rest are starting to wonder if you maybe might be one.
Re: Good. (Score:2)
When you say that people concerned about child abuse are probably abusers you out yourself as a probable child abuser. Someone should check your hard disk since you've proven you support the rape of children.
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And, you're the one who's been going on about Trump being a pedo, even though every time I ask for proof you never provide said proof, which just goes to show that you're all for labeling someone who hasn't been _proven guilty_ of being a pedo or a Nazi (remember... the Nazi's from WWII are all dead, all we have nowadays is neo-Nazis).
So... once again, show me proof that Trump is a pedo.
The fact that you and rsilvergun never show any proof doesn't look good for your accusations.
Yes, he met with Epstein for
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This is where I have fantasies of an EMI weapon that I can point at a phone and blow the electronics to smithereens. Someone please invent this. (Careful of pacemakers, I guess...)
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Not a good idea on an aircraft though.
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No. But just the thing on a bus or in a restaurant.
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It's not just on airplanes. People using the speaker on their devices in public places like coffee shops, restaurants, movie theaters, etc., have become an extreme, difficult to avoid annoyance. I don't want to hear someone's conversation, the music they like, or whatever rage-filled commentator they're addicted to. It's an aggressive intrusion into my sonic space, and I'd like to see rules made against it and enforced.
It gets even worse. People are literally watching videos on their phone in stalls at my office. Regularly. I don't want to be hearing your pundit's analysis of last night's sportsball game while relieving my bladder or bowels. And the worst part is, I've heard multiple different feeds at the same time, so it's not just one bad apple.
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I tend to whip out Baby Shark or the Baby Shark EDM remix.
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It's not just on airplanes. People using the speaker on their devices in public places like coffee shops, restaurants, movie theaters, etc., have become an extreme, difficult to avoid annoyance. I don't want to hear someone's conversation, the music they like, or whatever rage-filled commentator they're addicted to. It's an aggressive intrusion into my sonic space, and I'd like to see rules made against it and enforced.
People like to talk about the price of freedom in terms of blood but really the true cost of freedom is the willingness of members of society to tolerate others.
All noise pollution is bad (Score:3)
Not just people (Score:2)
Restaurants, bars, airports, malls, amusement parks, shops, elevators - all seem to feel the need/right to pollute the air with their "music". Usually obnoxious saxophone or a wailing, screeching woman.
Look, it is not acceptable to blow smoke in a person's nostrils, why is is ok to blow noise into their ears?
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Easy way would be install a Faraday cage in each theater.
"But, I've gotta get to the next level of some Bejeweled clone"
Almost unbelieveable (Score:5, Interesting)
Good! (Score:5, Insightful)
1. Not having a family party on board.
2. Not taking off your shoes and socks and stomping around.
3. Being hygienic, so your body order doesn't cause a reaction from other customers.
4. Being a reasonable size, which also means:
4a. If you need two seats, you buy two seats, or you don't board.
4b. Having reasonably sized seats available for physically large people (not fat).
5. Bring an actual carry on, onto the plan.
6. Having a reasonable emotion or service animal, WITH PAPERS.
7. Keeping your kids reasonable controlled, they're still kids, but they can't be feral.
8. Staying contained to your seat.
9. Actually cleaning the plane.
10. Not ramming carts into passengers.
11. Stopping the service of excessive alcohol, honestly, how bombed do you need to get?
12. Getting rid of the recline feature in economy, there isn't enough room, period!
I could keep going, but could we make air travel not a nightmare? The last flight I took was a circus, and certainly most of the people were decent, reasonable, and respectable, but others, were animalistic.
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Decent ... covers things like:
2. Not taking off your shoes and socks and stomping around.
From The Good Place [wikipedia.org], Most Improved Player [fandom.com] (S01E08):
Michael: This is a quick litmus test. A handful of questions designed to tell whether you are fundamentally good or bad. ... ... Did you ever take off your shoes and socks on a commercial airline?
Michael:
Eleanor: And socks? Ew, who would do that?
Michael: People who go to The Bad Place, Eleanor, that's the point. And unless I can figure out a compelling reason to keep you here, you will spend eternity with murderers, and arsonists, and people who take off their shoes and socks on commercial airlines.
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Last I flew (last month) I don't think I ran into any of these issues. Plane was clean, reasonable, etc.
11. Stopping the service of excessive alcohol, honestly, how bombed do you need to get?
This makes your sig even funnier.
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Re:Good! (Score:4, Funny)
On the other hand, I was on a flight where the woman behind me kept demanding booze from the flight attendants before we'd even moved. Eventually they gave her a bottle to shut her up and she fell asleep and didn't bother anybody again.
Perhaps a registry that keeps track of whether you're more annoying drunk or sober.
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Last I flew (last month) I don't think I ran into any of these issues. Plane was clean, reasonable, etc.
11. Stopping the service of excessive alcohol, honestly, how bombed do you need to get?
This makes your sig even funnier.
I think this is more of an issue if you fly cheap airlines to "party" destinations. The routes I fly typically don't have hens parties on them (London-Madrid, London-Singapore, Madrid-Bogota)... Will be totally different to the Ryanair special to Malaga.
I drink but don't drink on aircraft precisely because drinking and flying makes me a cranky Carl (I like to enjoy my drinking).
Re: Good! (Score:2)
- Stop kicking / shoving your knees into someone's seat in front.
- Keep your hair in your space, don't hang it over the seat.
- Already heavily drunk people should be stopped from boarding. The culture of heavy pre-flight drinking is just nuisance to others around you who can't escape your odour, drooling, slurring, or even vomiting.
Re: Good! (Score:4, Interesting)
Pre-drinking, I strongly agree! A drink or two beforehand, no worries, but, some people are so sauced they can't function. If the lack of functional awareness is due to properly utilized medicine, fair enough, but if it's by choice, they shouldn't let you board.
One of the last flights I was on, some 200kg woman got up right after take off, took out a family size suitcase. It was so comically large you shook your head, and started handing out snacks, and activities, to her family, being a boorish pig the entire time. She then proceeded to be a complete abrasive passenger the entire flight, and argued with everyone. Her kids ran around the plane, taking things from people, one of them took my game boy, and she would snarl at anyone who showed annoyance with her family.
I've been on other flights where the person next to me was grossly obese, stunk like rotting fat and sweat, and thought I was in the wrong for being annoyed. If your rolls need their own seat, buy the row, it's not fair to everyone else.
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Hmm, that gives you a BMI of 38.4, which is Obese Class II. I'm sure it's pure muscle in your case, as it always is on the internet, but it would make you one of a very rare breed of people. I'm surprised you have time to post such a lengthy comment between work-outs.
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Re: Good! (Score:3)
Hate to break it to you, buddy, but 150kg at 195cm isn't a "reasonably sized human." It's a massive outlier, and is in fact grossly overweight, whether it's "muscle," (yeah right), or fat. To the metric-challenged, that's 330 lbs at 6' 4".
That is heavier and similar in height to the average NFL lineman and would put you in the 99th percentile of all Americans by weight. And Americans are not exactly known for being particularly svelte.
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Have you noticed how everyone on the internet is a massively juiced bodybuilder who's 50+ BMI is all solid muscle? The internet is way more jacked than the outside world.
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I look more like a 1/2 strongman 1/2 body builder, if you look at images, so I'm not fat, I'm overall reasonably sized for my height. If I'm reasonably
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Arnold Shwarzengger at his peak size in 1974 was 6' 2" (188cm) at "only" 107kg (235lb).
That looks like this:
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/... [pinterest.com]
Sorry, that's not at all "reasonable" to sit next to in an airplane seat. 23kg heavier is even less reasonable. And 150kg at 195cm of "muscle" is larger than Hulk Hogan at his most massive (137kg), whose real height was 193cm, not the 200cm at which he was billed. And Hulk was positively enormous. Here he is absolutely dwarfing former h
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I have 17 doctors treating me, along with two physiotherapists, and one
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> Stop kicking / shoving your knees into someone's seat in front
If you recline and the person behind you is tall and you're literally crushing their legs, YOU, not them, are the problem.
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There's a couple of things wrong with your post:
2. Not taking off your shoes will contribute negatively to point 3, also feet swelling causes discomfort. I agree no one should take off their socks though.
4. Better option would be to charge based on weight of the passenger. Bonus point, less loud Americans at European tourist sites.
5. Irrelevant. The carryon rules are standard, and anything that doesn't fit gets checked as it is. The problem is planes were never designed for all passengers to maximise their
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2. Not taking off your shoes will contribute negatively to point 3, also feet swelling causes discomfort. I agree no one should take off their socks though.
It's the odour that I really don't want to deal with, and it's happened enough times on flights I've been on, I just want a blanket stop.
4. Better option would be to charge based on weight of the passenge
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I would add that the cabin crew should make sure there is decent ventilation during boarding. Some of them like to let the CO2 build to keep the passengers docile and half asleep.
I wouldn't fly on an airline that got rid of recline in economy, at least not long haul.
Papers for a service animal wouldn't be allowed in Europe, it would be discriminatory. You don't need papers for a wheelchair.
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One occurrence, the dog vomited and took a shit right next to my seat, it was wonderful, and her dog was NOT a trained a service animal. When I pointed that out to the fl
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That sounds more like an issue with the cabin attendants and policy. If there were consequences for such things, people wouldn't abuse the system.
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But I need my emotional support miniature horse or I can't go on!
PS. I wanted to do this in all caps but lameness filter didn't see the humor in my drama :(
Connectivity (Score:2)
United notes that it will offer customers who forget theirs a free pair of wired earbuds. "Don't worry if you forget your headphones for your flight," the airline states on its website. "If they're available, you can request free earbuds." You'd better hope your device still has a headphone jack...
My device still uses a pneumatic jack like the old-school airliners. I hope they still have those stethoscope thingies on board, otherwise everyone is going to be listening to my scratchy loop of lounge music.
Great! (Score:3)
This is awesome news. Now, can we extend that to restaurants and public transport too, please?
Good (Score:2)
No noone should be subjected to hearing other peoples sound/music, especially not on the plane where there's no escape.
All airlines should mandate this.
Those who don't listen, should be given a parachute and shown the door mid flight.
Jerks will be jerks. (Score:2)
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Airlines already have the right to remove or otherwise deal with disruptive passengers, where "distruptive" is pretty broad. Just not obeying a crew member is illegal most places. American airlines just find it a good idea to also put specifics in the actual contract so they can point to it when they get sued.
"removed from the plane" (Score:2)
Will there be an ejection option on each seat as part of the flight attendant controls?
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No need for an ejection seat. The blowout door plug, available as an option from Boeing on the 737 Max, is the ideal way to remove unruly passengers.
Wow (Score:3)
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You can also talk to the person sitting next to you using your outside voice. Or the person 4 rows back.
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They couldn't before? Seriously? Some arse could just blast their music or stupid videos all they wanted to?
This is one of those things where lawyers will get involved and say "this was not explicitly mentioned in the terms of carriage so therefore my client is owed compensation for being told not to be an arsehole". It's mainly an American thing as the courts in most countries will accept the "failed to follow instructions from the cabin crew" part.
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This is one of those things where lawyers will get involved and say "this was not explicitly mentioned in the terms of carriage so therefore my client is owed compensation for being told not to be an arsehole". It's mainly an American thing as the courts in most countries will accept the "failed to follow instructions from the cabin crew" part.
Yeah, my HOA is going through an expensive lawsuit now over a detail in a contract -- the HOA fined a member for violating the rules "No alcohol or groups over 12 people in the pool area" after the police were called to break up his party, the member sued both for the fine and for unfair treatment by having the police called because they weren't using the pool, they were using the BBQ that's in the pool area so the rule shouldn't apply to his 20 person drunken party.
earplugs with noise cancelling headphones (Score:2)
I guess my eyes are getting tired (Score:2)
I read that first sentence as "contract of carnage"...
So, earbuds are out? (Score:2)
Good (Score:2)
>"United Airlines has updated its contract of carriage to require passengers to use headphones when playing audio or video on personal devices during flights."
Good. And please let this spread to libraries, restaurants, buses, trains, waiting rooms, stores, etc.
Seems a bit harsh (Score:2)
But.. (Score:2)
Rules for stinky passengers (Score:2)
Is anyone aware of an airline that won't allow a person with overly offensive BO to fly? Have you ever seen such a person refused boarding? What about getting kicked off the plane after boarding? I'm talking really, really offensive smells. Think Andy Defresne crawling out of a sewer pipe smelly. I've never encountered anything near that bad but it must surely have happened.
kids these days (Score:2)
Boot? (Score:2)
I'm here, so fuck you (Score:3)
It seems, that in-between recording other people for TikTok entertainment value, people today bubble-fy the world. "World owes me" has always existed but today people truly believe they are not responsible for their lifestyle choices spilling onto others. Contradicting that, is the tribalism of MAGA and Christian Nationalism ("World owes us"): Where they decide certain lifestyles and choices are less valuable.
about time (Score:2)
Even bus drivers have been trained to tell people to turn that thing off because to everyone else, that buzzing sound is annoying as f-all.
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The bus will not move until the abuser complies. All it takes is one guy who just came off a double shift with no break, to help enforce that authority.
There's always that one guy. He doesn't have to be from Jersey
Re: Imprecisely-Worded Title (Score:2)
Take responsibility for youself (Score:2)
United notes that it will offer customers who forget theirs a free pair of wired earbuds. "Don't worry if you forget your headphones for your flight," the airline states on its website. "If they're available, you can request free earbuds." You'd better hope your device still has a headphone jack...
If your device doesn't have a headphone jack and all you have is wired headphones, then don't use your device.
I carry a backup set of wired headphones with a USB-C headphone adapter so if my bluetooth buds don't work, I have a backup.
Re:Shock collars next (Score:5, Funny)
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Re: Shock collars next (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Shock collars next (Score:5, Funny)
Is Ryan still using pay toilets?
I don't think they were ever introduced.
Ryanair likes to make outlandish statements that will never happen because it gets their name in the papers, which as far as they're concerned is free advertising.
Ryanair... it's not just the name of the airline, it's also the cheapest sandwich (rye and air... I'm working my arse off here people).
Re:Shock collars next (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm sorry, but "my right to listen to things that may irritate a couple hundred other people stuffed into a tin can with me" is just another rage-baiting Free-dumb that useless idiots demand
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spirit air does that UA is more upper class.
Re: Shock collars next (Score:2)
I like your thinking.
Then, those around the noisy people would get a 51% vote on whether to issue a jolt.
Re: Shock collars next (Score:2)
If the Stanford Prison Experiment is anything to go on, that would end up with most of the plane being electricuted
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This is a great idea. In fact we should put shock collars on all people. Any time any antisocial fuckwit plays their content loud in a group of strangers, bzzzt. Repeat offenders should have an upgraded model with an automated fist that comes out and punches them in the face.
If people don't learn manners the normal way let's force it on them.
Re:United Airlines is the worst (Score:5, Insightful)
Nah, I would appreciate this, and really can't imagine having to listen to another passengers media because they don't have, don't think they need headphones
Re: United Airlines is the worst (Score:2)
Re: United Airlines is the worst (Score:2)
You have died of flying Frontier.
Re: United Airlines is the worst (Score:2)
Coming off a 20 hour stint stuck at DFW, I nominate American as the worst airline. I still don't have my bag.
Re: United Airlines is the worst (Score:5, Insightful)
Agreed. I stopped flying American years ago and haven't missed their poor customer service since. The JD Power's 2025 customer satisfaction survey rates American at the bottom of the list.
https://www.jdpower.com/busine... [jdpower.com]
Re: United Airlines is the worst (Score:4, Insightful)
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Nah, I would appreciate this, and really can't imagine having to listen to another passengers media because they don't have, don't think they need headphones
Before the era of calculating profit based on olives-per-salad, airlines used to offer headphones. To plug into those headphone jacks built into the seat. The ones right next to the ashtray. In case people forgot how old the concept of manners in public is.
Want to know what happens when you spare the rod and spoil the society? This bullshit.
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Before the era of calculating profit based on olives-per-salad, airlines used to offer headphones. To plug into those headphone jacks built into the seat.
And Delta, at least, still does. The problem is that people are bringing their phones and iPads onto the planes, and they don't have headphone jacks anymore, so while it was possible for a flight attendant to go up to someone using the speaker on their device and hand them headphones and politely-but-firmly say "use them or turn off your sound", it's a bit prohibitive to keep a pile of bluetooth headphones on hand for such a case...because of course, the person would claim "they don't work with my iPad"...
In case people forgot how old the concept of manners in public is.
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Re:United Airlines is the worst (Score:4, Funny)
I agree. There are too many inconsiderate turds who think that everyone should enjoying listening to their music no matter how inappropriate it is to play it without headphones.
I think the punishments should start at horsewhipping.
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Obviously no one gives a shit if it's not making noise.
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His point was what if he is laughing to much/loudly? That seems like it would probably be fine. I mean, what, you going to ban people from making any kind of noise? Good luck with that.
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