Steam on Linux Numbers Dropped to 2.23% in February (phoronix.com) 91
"In November Steam on Linux use hit an all-time high of 3.2%," reports Phoronix. And then in December Steam on Linux jumped even higher, to 3.58%.
But January's numbers settled a little lower, at 3.38%. And last Monday the February numbers were released, showing Steam on Linux at... 2.23%? Like with prior times where there are wild drops in Linux use, the Steam Survey shows Simplified Chinese use running up by 30% month over month. Whenever there is such significant differences in language use tends to be a reporting anomaly and negatively impacting Linux. Valve often puts out corrected/updated figures later on, so we'll see if that is again the case for this February data.
But January's numbers settled a little lower, at 3.38%. And last Monday the February numbers were released, showing Steam on Linux at... 2.23%? Like with prior times where there are wild drops in Linux use, the Steam Survey shows Simplified Chinese use running up by 30% month over month. Whenever there is such significant differences in language use tends to be a reporting anomaly and negatively impacting Linux. Valve often puts out corrected/updated figures later on, so we'll see if that is again the case for this February data.
Who cares. (Score:2, Insightful)
Not everyone is a gamer and games regularly. We all know that Linux numbers are up and folks moving to it can't be denied.
If you wanna go by stats, go by PornHub. Porn built the Internet and last stat release from them was that Linux users were 22% of their traffic. Nobody is changing the user-agent to Linux.
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Going to PornHub, they could easily be using privacy extensions that do browser obfuscation.
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Unless I am mistaken, Linux, in Steam terms, includes, and in fact is mostly made up by their own Proton impl.
But, say: PornHub says 22% of their users is Linux? Weird. I'd say on Desktop, this would be important; but on mobile, I'd say the numbers are way too low. So... where did you get that number from?
Re:Who cares. (Score:5, Informative)
Quick search: Pornhub says Linux users are 6.3%, in a 22.4% increase from previous year https://www.resetera.com/threa... [resetera.com]
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Quick search: Pornhub says Linux users are 6.3%, in a 22.4% increase from previous year https://www.resetera.com/threa... [resetera.com]
I'm guessing AI can't tell the difference between 6.3% total and a 22.4% increase. Of course I'm getting my information for Slashdot comments so I'm not sure where that ranks on the hierarchy of truth.
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No, support for legacy software is a big reason Windows is dominant in the market. Otherwise, it would have lost everything starting from Windows 8. People who are most into games would either have bought consoles, or even among the alternatives, there are enough games on Apple and Linux.
Anybody who has SteamOS on his system has it on his gaming rig, or gaming is all he does on his computer
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"So? Why is that a reason not to care? Games are one of the big reasons Microsoft is so dominant in the PC market. And that dominance is what allows them to do all those shenanigans in Win11 with impunity. So any news that could help break that dominance is news one should care about."
Linux enabling people to run Windows games on Linux only strengthens Windows.
* It discourages native Linux builds of games
* It's not legal to be playing those games on something other than Windows, they were built, licensed, a
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I wonder if AI caused a slowdown in gaming habits. I recently picked up a ridiculous bargain on a new GPU thanks to currency fluctuations, but most people have been locked out of GPU and RAM upgrades. Even SSDs to store games are ridiculously expensive now.
I picked up a couple of games I hadn't played for a while because I got a new GPU. Maybe people who were not able to upgrade due to AI are playing less.
As for PornHub, I hate to say it but it doesn't reflect well on the relationship success levels of Linu
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Linus Sebastian is the kind of person who will probably never migrate to Linux. He's a business owner now, so there is always going be that one stupid "Enterprise" business application that he'll need to use that isn't supported on Linux.
Plus, he seems to get really whiny when he runs into trivial technical issues. You really need to be willing to make adjustments to your workflow for a Linux migration to be successful, and he's the kind of person who would rather complain about a limitation instead of find
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I wouldn't say his issues were trivial. Things like picking a distro are a huge barrier to entry, and the problems he encountered running games after doing what most people would do and simply installing them through the pre-installed Steam app are the kind of thing that push people back to Windows.
My guess is that part of this bump is people riding the hype train about switching, only to find that Linux just doesn't work for gaming outside of the Steam Deck ecosystem.
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That's just not true. I switched my gaming machine to linux (mint) and have had only minor hiccups. It works perfectly well for anything that doesn't use a kernel level anticheat and I don't play those games anyway because they suck.
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Ah, well there is the obvious issue then. Many popular games don't work with it, and "just don't play them" isn't going to be acceptable to a lot of people.
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After trying to make old games I've been playing for years try to work acceptably on the exact same hardware running Windows, I basically gave up and wiped the box, installed Proxmox, configured the box to be able to share the GPU, USB keyboard / mouse, and sound controller to a VM using IOMMU, and then installed Windows there.
It's maybe a 2-3% performance hit, with the ability to use ZFS snapshots to prevent Windows Update from eating my install by always having a reliable restore method that only takes se
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Windows 11 is the most user hostile software application ever made and by all accounts Windows 12 is going to be worse.
You can have alternatives right now for yourself but for how long? We have dozens of laws that are going to make it increasingly difficult to distribute Linux software. I don't really want to have the cops show up and arres
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I think it's well known that the only people who install this are gamers who install it on their gaming rigs. Others would pick other Linux distros, be it Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu, Mint, Omarchy, Kali,..... It would also not be on their primary computer, unless all they do is play games
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Yes because Porn is ubiquitous to all computers and computer users, like just the other day in the middle of a Teams meeting I fired up Pornhub and rubbed one out in the meeting room.
Now with this sarcasm I hope you see how you have completely biased your results in a way that include the single largest set of computer users. You've fallen into the same trap as the Linux "Gamers" have by narrowly defining a target market.
Also browser agent? No one sets those, but a significant portion of the internet runs p
Re: Who cares. (Score:1)
Computer nerds looking at pr0n as a substitute for real human women? Inconceivable!
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Not everyone is a gamer and games regularly. We all know that Linux numbers are up and folks moving to it can't be denied.
If you wanna go by stats, go by PornHub. Porn built the Internet and last stat release from them was that Linux users were 22% of their traffic. Nobody is changing the user-agent to Linux.
That sounds like bullshit, not even in the realm of plausibility. https://gigazine.net/gsc_news/... [gigazine.net]
You misread the stats, they said 6%, and honestly, that should be broken down into bots and browser obfuscation estimates before taking seriously.
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Who would trust an American Linux spin?
Whoosh
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Fine. Audit the code yourself then.
It's all right there.
What about the context? (Score:2)
So, the Linux percentage is falling, but that means nothing unless you also know if the total number of users across all platforms has increased, decreased or remained static.
I would suspect that the data would actually show lots of new Windows installs added to the total in the weeks after Christmas, pushing the Linux stats down...
How about SteamOS on Arm? (Score:4, Interesting)
Recently, it was found out that SteamOS on Arm ran Steam games compiled for Wintel at par w/ how they ran on Wintel boxes. Given that, I'm curious whether or not Valve has started compiling the bulk of their current games for Arm?
In fact, any computer that comes w/ Windows-on-Arm would be a good candidate to wipe out Windows 11 and install SteamOS in its place. Since the games run at native speeds under Proton/Wine, one could do that, and experience a speed boost for games that go native
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Given that, I'm curious whether or not Valve has started compiling the bulk of their current games for Arm?
To what benefit? ARM isn't exactly known as a gaming platform for anything other than shitty phones. What would they achieve?
In fact, any computer that comes w/ Windows-on-Arm would be a good candidate to wipe out Windows 11 and install SteamOS in its place.
You've put the cart before the horse here. SteamOS isn't a thing that you can install. It's not a publicly released project. It's currently targeted for a single platform only: The SteamDeck. Let's have Valve release SteamOS first. Heck that would solve an existing problem which is that the currently most popular Steam Gaming OS is based on 32bit Fedora. So let's talk about actually s
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It's not a thing *YOU* can install. It's not general purpose. Attempts to actually use SteamOS on non-SteamOS designed hardware have largely failed and resulted in people reverting to traditional Linux gaming OSes in frustration.
Just because a download is available doesn't make it functional in any general sense.
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The most recent Qualcomm Snapdragon Elites have been pretty competitive, except for the fact that for Windows, most of the software running on them ain't native. But that wouldn't be an issue if they were running SteamOS w/ Proton/Wine layers for their games, while those games hopefully got ported for enhanced performance
So there was a Debian based SteamOS which could run on anything Debian could be installed on, and then, for the current SteamDeck, there is the Arch based SteamOS. So what we can check
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As for the 32-bit, is that an issue w/ current Steam games?
Yes. 32bit limitations have been significant for a while now thanks to memory addressing issues. But really the problem is more fundamental than that, and that is the general upstream abandonment of 32bit support. The single most important reason to switch a Linux based OS to 64bit is so that it may still work tomorrow.
See also: The shitshow early last year that was created when Fedora proposed dropping 32bit support and it's knock-on effect on Linux gaming. In fact the architecture is the fundamental reaso
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Somehow, I'm not getting it. If the Linux kernel developers have decided to go all 64-bit and let go of 32-bit, then how is the most popular Linux running Steam and Proton 32-bit?
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Isn't Steam already an API layer b/w the games and the OS? Like in Windows, one has to first install Steam, then log into it if one has an account, then install any games one happens to buy/own there
Proton is awesome (Score:2, Informative)
Who cares, PC gaming was always more of a niche while the washed normies were on consoles.
SteamOS and the SteamMachine could push a few more people to Linux gaming, but really, I am just happy there are options nowadays.
Linux was already great for most computing needs since a good 10-20 years. Gaming and 3D always sucked one way or the other, and this has rapidly improved now and I could not be happier!
Proton really is great and you can play a lot of games, even new ones, just fine. Even AntiCheat is less o
Dual Boot and Wine undermine native Linux gaming (Score:2)
Gaming and 3D always sucked one way or the other, and this has rapidly improved now and I could not be happier!
Sadly that is insufficient to change the minds of the big game studios. Lets consider two Linux gamers.
Linux Gamer A: Prefers a native Linux game. Will dual boot or use Wine to run the Windows version if a native Linux version is not available.
Linux Gamer B: Requires a native Linux game. Will not dual boot or use Wine, will pass on the game if no native Linux version is available
Gamer A's provide no incentive for a game studio to do a Linux version.
Only Gamer B's provide any incentive.
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The incentive is that Linux native runs better and requires less support overall compared to users using Wine or Proton, so it's good customer service and good customer service is worth a lot. But how worth it is also needs to be weighed against how much work a Linux native client might be. For smaller or indie games it might not be much at all depending on what engine they are using. For big, intense, expensive AAA games using UE5 or some custom in-house engine, the workflow probably just doesn't exist to
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The incentive is that Linux native runs better and requires less support overall compared to users using Wine or Proton, so it's good customer service and good customer service is worth a lot.
Technically it's not. They sold you a Windows version of the software. Wine is not a supported platform.
Wine actually is seen as an opportunity to outsource porting and customer service to "the community".
And Wine's hiccups are why most Linux gamer's dual boot.
But how worth it is also needs to be weighed against how much work a Linux native client might be. For smaller or indie games it might not be much at all depending on what engine they are using.
I've been in the room. The question "Which Linux distributions will we support" and the explanations and discussions that follow can end the "Linux version" question.
For big, intense, expensive AAA games using UE5 or some custom in-house engine, the workflow probably just doesn't exist to make it work simply enough when Steam Proton can *probably* take care of it for them. Or they have some weird partnership with Nvidia and *have* to use proprietary Nvidia features that they don't port over to the Linux drivers.
For the big guys, I just want to point out that these greedy MF'ers would be al
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Technically it's not. They sold you a Windows version of the software.
Tell that to all the games I play from Steam that have native Linux builds since the moment they launched.
And Wine's hiccups are why most Linux gamer's dual boot.
I have yet to find any games (or other software) that don't either run native or work through Proton well enough that I would need to dual-boot. The only games I know that do not, and will never, work on Linux is Riot games that require shitty Vanguard. And those games aren't worth playing to begin with because they're garbage. Anyone who let's Vanguard get installed onto their computer is a moron.
I've been in the room. The question "Which Linux distributions will we support" and the explanations and discussions that follow can end the "Linux version" question.
Becau
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Then Wine's problems and tech support is not an issue is it?
Sure. For Wine related problems that they can actually fix on their side. The users will still complain to those that made the game either out of stupidity or frustration.
Nope. Simultaneous development and ports are both considered. ... That is just your bad guess. Again, simultaneous development and ports are both considered.
Not considered in any real sense. And not by the people who actually matter. I know for a fact most major game studios have shitty, unoptimized workflows and most use some form of shitty Scrum or Agile. And these factors, along with getting bent over by basically every publisher, have led to obvious decreases in overall quality over time.
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Not considered in any real sense. And not by the people who actually matter.
Sorry, but it does. These people are not hostile to Linux. They embraced Linux for game servers. If there was money to be made they would support native Linux. The reality is that native Linux would mostly cannibalize Windows sales, not really add new sales.
I know for a fact most major game studios have shitty, unoptimized workflows and most use some form of shitty Scrum or Agile.
And yet simultaneous cross-platform development did take place (ie Windows and Mac), as well as Mac ports after Windows release. At least in the Intel Mac era.
Plus, for various client/server based games the core game is also Linux compatible. It's wha
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The reality is that native Linux would mostly cannibalize Windows sales, not really add new sales.
Not really. A sale is a sale. 2-3% of Steam gamers is still another 2-3% of possible sales. And it's not like if you bought it for Windows you have to buy it again for Linux. No one is switching to Linux because a game is building a Linux native version. Nor is it some sort of weird commission based thing where the "Windows team" is now not making as much money while the "Linux team" makes more.
And yet simultaneous cross-platform development did take place (ie Windows and Mac), as well as Mac ports after Windows release.
Sometimes. Most cross-platform development goes towards consoles, since those actually require a decent amount of
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The reality is that native Linux would mostly cannibalize Windows sales, not really add new sales.
Not really. A sale is a sale.
That is the argument against a native Linux windows port. You get the sale with Linux, with additional expense.
2-3% of Steam gamers is still another 2-3% of possible sales.
No. A linux fan willing to run the Windows version adds nothing by going native Linux. Only those who would not play the windows version at all support the cost of Linux development and support.
And yet simultaneous cross-platform development did take place (ie Windows and Mac), as well as Mac ports after Windows release.
Sometimes. Most cross-platform development goes towards consoles, since those actually require a decent amount of work. I never said it doesn't fucking happen, just that it doesn't happen *well*.
I am just refuting your argument that bad process prevents a port or simultaneous development. It has not in the past.
It's what runs on the game servers. What is missing is a client side interface.
I don't give a fuck about what their servers are running since I'm not running the servers.
Its the same game, the same source code, that runs locally for single player or LAN.
Nor does it mean anything in this argument. You are literally bringing up random bullshit that has absolutely no impact on anything.
No, y
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PC gaming was always more of a niche
It's a niche that generated $90 billion in revenue in 2025. I think you better look up that word "niche" in the dictionary.
By the way at the end of 2025 the Sony reported the PSN had 132million Monthly Active Users. Valve reported Steam had ... wait for it ... 132million Monthly Active Users.
So by your own metric PC gaming is a niche, so is Playstation, and given how Xbox is outsold and outused by both so is xbox. So is every part of the gaming industry some kind of niche? No of course not.
Update your knowl
Because it is still a pain in the ass (Score:2)
I attempted to migrate fully to a Linux Desktop OS. it did not go as well as I hoped and I eventually just went back to Win10. Steam wasn't the only issue, but the frustration I had just getting it installed, then getting a game installed and running was a major contributor. I am very technically literate, so getting everything running is not beyond my abilities. But the last thing I want in an OS is to have to constantly tinker to get it working and to keep it working.
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You chose a bad distro then.
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Ah yes, the classic trope of telling a veteran tech worker that they didn't think of trying different distros. Love it.
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Steam on Manjaro was just a click away, I'm guessing Ubuntu might be as well as it is apparently what steamos was based on. I've had a few problem but not many but then I'm probably not playing the same games. No bleeding edge fps for me. I am running a ~7 yr old ex-win10 box. M odern games are full of bloat, blame them as much as the OS Why does a game nee 100+ gigs of disk space to play anyway? It just drives up the ram. Eye candy comes at the expense of playability.
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You're essentially making my argument for me. Running Windows, any software or hardware I want to add just works. The ONLY concern is "do I have enough RAM or storage space". But that's not an OS issue. On Linux, chances are good that I will have to do some fiddling to get something running...it rarely just works. I manage a VFX pipeline and so I am constantly having to deal with this. BUT, we use Linux because it is stable and we can get maximum performance out of it. With Windows, you'll be constan
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That is funny. I started using windows with 3.1 and had problems with software in every version since. Sometimes I had to troll support archives to get the drivers for peripherals, sometimes they stopped being supported at all. By the time it came to think about upgrading to winqq because 20 crapped its pants I said no more! Of course I skipped 8 and 9 and who can forget the gems that were vista and millenium. You sound very young. I'm glad you know it all.
Good luck with that.
By the way I was saying my comp
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You sound very young. I'm glad you know it all.
Lol
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Running Windows, any software or hardware I want to add just works. The ONLY concern is "do I have enough RAM or storage space".
Meanwhile, Windows is eating up 3-6GB of that RAM just existing and doing nothing, stealing your information, and just generally performing badly all around.
But in a home desktop situation, that really isn't an issue.
This isn't an excuse for shitty resource management.
I want to turn on my machine, start a game, and play. Or browse the internet. Or maybe do a bit of coding (which I do by remote connecting to my Linux dev box).
I do all of this on Linux. And I don't fiddle with anything (unless I'm modding a game, but that isn't related to OS choice). The most fiddling I *might* do for a game is to check a box to force it to use Proton...ooOOooOOoo...so much fiddling.
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SteamOS is based on Arch. Bazzite, which is exactly like SteamOS (Steam baked directly into the OS image) but also a full desktop, is based on Fedora Atomic. Highly recommend Bazzite.
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I'm sure you did try different ones. But you still chose shitty ones.
Re: Because it is still a pain in the ass (Score:2)
The last thing I want in an OS is constant pressure to upload all my files to their cloud service and trying to do it by default with every patch update.
I hate going through those reboot prompts pushing various services with dark patterns. I can usually deny them, but it's exhausting. And the rest of my family doesn't get it.
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I don't have any of that.
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On Linux you tinker once for every thing you need
Yeah, until you need to install some new software or hardware. Then you cross your fingers and hope it's supported.
I just keep my old configs and everything just stays as I had it on previous hardware, previous distro etc. Try to do that on Windows.
This is a once every 5 year issue. I don't update my PC build very often. But when I do, I generally prefer to do a fresh install of everything.
The rest of your complaints are either non-existent or non-issues. I never have to keep messing with my configs. You're essentially taking fringe issues and making them seem like persistent issues.
This irrational hate towards Windows is just odd an
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I attempted to migrate fully to a Linux Desktop OS. it did not go as well as I hoped and I eventually just went back to Win10. Steam wasn't the only issue, but the frustration I had just getting it installed, then getting a game installed and running was a major contributor. I am very technically literate, so getting everything running is not beyond my abilities. But the last thing I want in an OS is to have to constantly tinker to get it working and to keep it working.
Not really, getting LinuxMint 22.3 was easier than reinstalling Windows 10. The biggest issue was re-learning where various settings are but some judicious googling and I was set up.
Installing Steam was a piece of piss. The problems came when I wanted to use my existing steam installs from Windows, I was able to get the NTFS drives mounted correctly thanks to an easy to follow guide however one of my drives has a legacy steamapps folder location when Steam on Linux doesn't like (it's in Program Files\Ste
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Either you have deeply difficult hardware or you were not ready for Linux. It's not Linux. It is the hardware or it is you. Maybe both.
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Lol! I've used Linux personally and for work for 25 years. You losers just can't accept reality. This is why Linux will NEVER replace Windows or Mac as a desktop OS. The people who support it just refuse to see its shortcomings and literally just say that "just git gud" when people try to point this out.
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I attempted to migrate fully to a Linux Desktop OS. it did not go as well as I hoped and I eventually just went back to Win10. Steam wasn't the only issue, but the frustration I had just getting it installed, then getting a game installed and running was a major contributor. I am very technically literate, so getting everything running is not beyond my abilities. But the last thing I want in an OS is to have to constantly tinker to get it working and to keep it working.
How about FreeBSD then? You can then either try running Steam under a Linux jail, or under Wine. I'm not sure whether Proton has been ported there like the rest of Wine has, but you'd have 2 options on how to run Steam games
I'd have been fine w/ Windows 10, except that given that its support has ended, it's probably safer to have it completely offline. Which could work if one plays games completely offline as well
The main issue (Score:2)
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I got my new gaming PC about 6 weeks ago. It has only Linux on it. Right now I'm playing through Kingdom Come Deliverance II (it was on 50% off last week) but I've also been playing Elite Dangerous, Sniper Elite 5 and Sniper Elite Resistance, Terra Invictus, WARNO and The Witcher 3. To be fair I only played the Witcher for a few minutes as I want to finish KCD before starting a proper re-play of the Witcher.
But the point is that it was no more difficult to install most of those than on PC. The exception bei
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Outside of Riot Games or anything else requiring kernel level anti-cheat that Linux will never allow (which aren't worth playing anyway because they are garbage)... what limitations are those?
Logged Out (Score:2, Interesting)
box replacement is part of it (Score:3)
For people who don't build their own box, the one they get mostly comes with windows, I suppose some computer stores will sell you a box without it but if you are buying at a costco, bestbuy walmart kind of place, you might just use the windows it comes with instead of trying to dual boot or wipe and install linux.
That's because Linux sucks as a desktop OS. (Score:1)
I hate this lie that everyone tells that Linux based OSs are viable as desktop operating systems.
They are not.
Linux based OSs are great for servers, and embedded systems where the hardware and network configuration are static.
Desktops and notebooks do not have static hardware or network configurations, and as a result the user experience is terrible. Kernel bugs numerous, driver support is terrible, and application support is unstable to say the least. I have never had an OS that is THIS unstable in my life
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Hmmm,
Been running Linux on the desktop for 10-15 years. Don't have a problem with it. Occasionally there are problems, but compared to having all my files uploaded to the cloud, having my machine reboot every time a butterfly flaps its wings someplace, having windows overwrite the boot configuration of the system, etc. I don't feel like I have a real problem.
For the software that doesn't run on linux natively or under wine/proton, I just don't use it. It has been so long
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Hmmm,
For the software that doesn't run on linux natively or under wine/proton, I just don't use it. It has been so long since I had to use something that doesn't run under Linux, that I don't miss it.
That is the crux of the issue - many users have software that doesn't run on Linux, so Linux as a desktop is a non-starter. Doesn't mean it's a bad desktop, just not one for the masses but acceptable to a techie niche.
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Yup, you are indeed.
The Kernel is literally riddled with active open bugs on current hardware.
I'm not talking about application support.
I'm talking about the current kernel having serious bugs on current hardware that have been unresolved for months.
This does not happen on Windows. Ever. Period.
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No one needs notepad to run their OS. ...and the only major windows outage was the crowd strike issue, which is actually crowd strikes fault, because crowd strikes software is literally a rootkit that sucks ass.
A fresh virgin install of Windows is incredibly stable on almost every supported hardware configuration on the face of the planet. This is not the case with any Linux distro.
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It's always wise to research what hardware you intend to put Linux on before you proceed. Not doing so only shows you don't know what you're doing. It's the hardware you have and/or you. Not Linux.
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God damn, you Linux apologists always have an excuse.
You know what I was you don't have to do that for? Windows. It just fucking works.
Also, I did my research. This is a newly introduced bug, for a long-standing issue with the Linux kernel.
The links kernel has a long-standing issue where it has trouble enumerating changes on the PCI bus while in sleep mode.
Considering this is a basic requirement for modern laptops, it's kind of fucked up that the Linux kernel doesn't handle this properly.
Do you know which k
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I hate this lie that everyone tells that Linux based OSs are viable as desktop operating systems.
Viable and "not sucking" for your use case are two very different things. Linux desktop OSes are in use successfully, by definition that means they are viable regardless of whether or not they work for you personally.
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They are not in use successfully.
This is the lie.
If they were, they would have the dominant market share, and they don't.
Do you know how old my Windows install is? It's almost a decade old.
I've had to reinstall Linux twice in the last 3 months.
My MacOS install was something like 15 years old, before I switched away from Macs.
Unless you are running Linux in a stable environment, like on a server, it is a horrible operating system where users have to constantly battle driver issues, hardware compatibility, ke
Regression to the Mean (Score:2)
Without seeing a full multi-month chart of Linux use, I think it's safe to say that there was an abnormal spike (maybe people playing with Proton in anticipation of new Valve Hardware releases) and then going back to what they normally do when Valve announced the hardware delays.