Elon Musk Announces $20B 'Terafab' Chip Plant in Texas To Supply His Companies (yahoo.com) 126
"Billionaire Elon Musk has announced plans to build a $20 billion chip plant in Austin, Texas" reports a local news station:
Musk announced on Saturday night during a livestream on his social media platform X that the plant, called "Terafab," will be built near Tesla's campus and gigafactory in eastern Travis County. The long-anticipated project is a joint venture between Musk-owned properties Tesla, SpaceX and xAI... The Terafab plant is expected to begin production in 2027.
Musk "has said the semiconductor industry is moving too slow to keep up with the supply of chips he expects to need," writes Bloomberg — quoting Musk as saying "We either build the Terafab or we don't have the chips, and we need the chips, so we build the Terafab." Musk detailed some specific plans, including producing chips that can support 100 to 200 gigawatts a year of computing power on Earth, and chips that can support a terawatt in space, but gave no timelines for the facility or its output... The facility is expected to make two types of chips, one of which will be optimized for edge and inference, primarily for his vehicle, robotaxi and Optimus humanoid robots. The other will be a high-power chip, designed for space that could be used by SpaceX and xAI... Musk said he expects xAI to use the vast majority of the chips.
During the presentation, Musk also unveiled a speculative rendering of a future "mini" AI data center satellite, one piece of a much larger satellite system that he wants SpaceX to build to do complex computing in space. In January, SpaceX requested a license from the Federal Communications Commission to launch one million data center satellites into orbit around Earth. Musk said that the mini satellite he revealed would have the capacity for 100 kilowatts of power. "We expect future satellites to probably go to the megawatt range," Musk said.
Raising money to build and launch AI data centers in space is one of the driving forces behind SpaceX's planned IPO later this year. SpaceX is expected to raise as much as $50 billion in a record-setting IPO this summer which could value it at more than $1.75 trillion, Bloomberg News reported earlier.
Musk "has said the semiconductor industry is moving too slow to keep up with the supply of chips he expects to need," writes Bloomberg — quoting Musk as saying "We either build the Terafab or we don't have the chips, and we need the chips, so we build the Terafab." Musk detailed some specific plans, including producing chips that can support 100 to 200 gigawatts a year of computing power on Earth, and chips that can support a terawatt in space, but gave no timelines for the facility or its output... The facility is expected to make two types of chips, one of which will be optimized for edge and inference, primarily for his vehicle, robotaxi and Optimus humanoid robots. The other will be a high-power chip, designed for space that could be used by SpaceX and xAI... Musk said he expects xAI to use the vast majority of the chips.
During the presentation, Musk also unveiled a speculative rendering of a future "mini" AI data center satellite, one piece of a much larger satellite system that he wants SpaceX to build to do complex computing in space. In January, SpaceX requested a license from the Federal Communications Commission to launch one million data center satellites into orbit around Earth. Musk said that the mini satellite he revealed would have the capacity for 100 kilowatts of power. "We expect future satellites to probably go to the megawatt range," Musk said.
Raising money to build and launch AI data centers in space is one of the driving forces behind SpaceX's planned IPO later this year. SpaceX is expected to raise as much as $50 billion in a record-setting IPO this summer which could value it at more than $1.75 trillion, Bloomberg News reported earlier.
Guarantees (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Guarantees (Score:5, Insightful)
Remember "full self driving" , remember "hyperloop"
Yeah, this is more of that.
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Politicians already have their tonsils on his nuts.
I'm not worried about the tax breaks (Score:4, Insightful)
Over and over and over again he makes the kind of promises that investors use to make decisions and he's clearly lying but he somehow gets away with it. Traditionally doing something like that would be considered investment fraud. But he hasn't cost anyone any real money. Yet.
Oh and what's not forget he used his AI company linked with Tesla and SpaceX to buy up all the bad debt he had from Twitter... That is an enormous conflict of interest that should see him in prison already...
Same as an orange politician? (Score:3)
Over and over and over again he makes the kind of promises that investors use to make decisions and he's clearly lying but he somehow gets away with it. Traditionally doing something like that would be considered investment fraud. But he hasn't cost anyone any real money. Yet.
Lots of promises made and not kept, yet nobody pulling him up on it (from his own party at least)? Sounds like a description of Trump to me...
Re:I'm not worried about the tax breaks (Score:4, Informative)
Speaking of which, a jury just decided that he has to compensate Twitter investors for his lies when he was looking to buy it. Could be as much as $2.5 billion.
2026 will be the 10th anniversary of Musk starting to sell Full Self Driving as a "coming in the next few months" feature. The original promise was that it would drive you to work while you browsed your phone, drop you off and go park itself. I'd be asking for a refund at this point.
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NAK
I'm sure it'll be ready- (Score:4, Insightful)
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Terafactory employing nanorobots building picochip.
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Where's the talent going to come from? (Score:2)
1 . California? Not Musk's first choice. They'll mostly vote Democrat. All that will do is swell the democratic base in Austin. You're also going to have a tough time getting [most] Californians to move to Texas unless they like hot sticky weather and the Republican values.
2. H-1B? Not with Trumps $100,000.00 visa fee. But Musk's upside to this is that they can't vote.
3. No engineers or white collar employees, just blue collar workers and AI. (Musk's wet dream). Blue collar workers are for the most part R
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Are modern fabs really labor intensive these days?
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Robots can't solve technical issues on the production line. AI might however.
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Precisely. I have seen Asianometry videos on YouTube about how fabs work - the videos were about Intel's and TSMC's fabs in Arizona. A lot of it involved people who had to change in and out of those suits every time they entered or left a facility. Reading the comments there, it looked like a lot of those jobs were very specialized, dead-end jobs, which were only secure as long as the fabs ran
So it would seem that a lot of the operations could be automated further like on an assembly line, so that the
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That was true about older fabs at larger process nodes. Is it still true when the process nodes are below 10nm, which is now approaching atomic-level territory? It would seem that this would be one of the jobs that AI would do better
Re:Where's the talent going to come from? (Score:4)
That was true about older fabs at larger process nodes. Is it still true when the process nodes are below 10nm, which is now approaching atomic-level territory? It would seem that this would be one of the jobs that AI would do better
Bahahahahaha. And how would AI fabricate chips better when it gets details wrong all the time. Chip fabrication is intensively detail oriented. I can use see it now: "AI thinks we should use carbon as the substrate instead of silicon."
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Can't wait to see how many H1-Bs he hires because it's cheaper.
Re:Where's the talent going to come from? (Score:5, Interesting)
It's been over 20 years since I was last in a fab, but...
The actual making of wafers is pretty much automated. Apart from loading up materials and such like, it's pretty much hands-off.
However, let's say you've got a brand new production line available. You've got a room full of designers who make up a silicon design. Once that's done (and simulated, etc), it starts being a bit of a dark art. It's not like just sending it off to a laser printer and waiting for it to come out. What tends to happen if you get various 'artefacts' in the wafer, which are a symptom of the specific design you chose and the finer details of the manufacturing process, the input materials, etc. Some of those things are fixable in the manufacture, some of them need to be designed out. Then you get a few wafers which look good, so you go to full manufacture. Then you find weird problems where the yield of the devices you're making drops off a bit, so you're back to tweaking the manufacture (because by then, tweaking the design means a whole load of development/testing etc)... and so on.
So in answer to your question... the clean room isn't exactly packed with semiconductor engineers and machine experts, but there do have to be quite a few of them to work out how to make the technology make the thing you want to the level of quality you can accept. They'll be predominantly doing that at the start of a new product line, or a new machine/process, but they're still going to be doing some amount of work throughout the entire time you're manufacturing that same old chip you've been doing for the last 20 years.
Re:Where's the talent going to come from? (Score:5, Informative)
It's hysterical you think the only sources of "talent" are California and H1-B. Also, apparently you are unaware that Austin is heavily Democratic, just how much "swelling" do you think will happen in a major metropolitan area? And where do you think the IBM Power architecture came from? Motorola? Freescale? All Austin. You are unbelievably ignorant.
Elon Musk Announces $20 BS 'Terafab' Chip Plant (Score:2)
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Should read 'Terafib'.
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Just awaiting regulatory approval.
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What's the backlog at ASML? (Score:3)
Because a giant building with no equipment isn't exactly useful.
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ASML uses the calendar year for its fiscal year, so it's the same thing.
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That and would ASML even have capacity to sell to him? Somehow I doubt that. Building such a fab is a 10 year undertaking. If you have experience with it. There is no "move-fast-and-break-things" in this space.
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A) the permits are in place. This is Texas, so maybe "faster than California", but it'll cost.
B) The water and power is secured; again it might go faster but it's 18-24 months. However,
C) This is Texas, the power grid has been unreliable. Since foundries run 24/7 fully automated to produce the kinds of chips he's talking about, they'll need reliable backup power. Backup gener
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For power, he will likely divert a bunch of solar panels and grid-scale batteries from Tesla.
The bigger issue is that he wants to put this close to sources of vibration, like the Tesla gigafactory that uses high impact tools to shape metal. Apparently reputable commenters elsewhere have said that these impacts, while invisible to human sensations, are likely enough to affect high-sensitivity chip manufacturing operations. Existing fabs all over the world have to take into account traffic from nearby highway
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He was good as an idea man for a while, but his ideas have lost contact with reality.
Depends on how you define "idea man". He was good there for a while at identifying ideas from the past whose time had come. Stuff off the covers of popular mechanics, out of science fiction, that sort of thing. So if an idea man who picks pre-existing ideas and tries them again, then he's an idea man. Early on, I appreciated that, before learning more about him (first big red flag was maybe 2005 or so when I learned that he was the kind of boss who fires people on the spot for disagreeing with him/making a
Why not petafab? (Score:2)
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Good luck... (Score:2)
TSMC has had all kinds of problems getting it's US fab going (and that doesn't even do the entire process of making a finished chip) and Intel with its decades of experience in chipmaking has had many problems with its newest stuff.
It would be great to see Musk build his own chips but it's not as simple as buying a bunch of stuff from the ASML catalog...
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...and "his own chips" is an interesting topic as well. What is he going to build? Is Elon Musk now ALSO the world's foremost chip designer?
Buying all your talent from competitors MAY give you the ability to produce something but it does NOT contribute to advances in the industry, only to who owns them. That's the best possible outcome here, that Musk doesn't fuck it up entirely and just loots from others in the industry. That's all he ever achieves, half the time even that fails.
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Is Elon Musk now ALSO the world's foremost chip designer?
I'm sure that he'll insist on having that sort of title within the company, and that his employees will be obligated to support that in any public comments
That's assuming this fab actually gets off the ground. If it doesn't, it will be someone else's fault.
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Doesn't the FSD hardware already use custom chips?
I assume they'll be making a new chip (at least to reduce production costs by shrinking) based on their current custom chip.
I'm skeptical they'll get the plant up and running though with the history of doing such on the US being sketch overall.
I'm also skeptical that they'll really benefit from it, though I can see why it's compelling to bring in house watching supply chains being strained right now.
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What lithographies would Tesla or SpaceX be looking at? It can't be the 10nm-2nm ones: those would never be stable at automotive or space temperatures. I'd imagine they'd be looking at processes w/ much larger nodes, to allow for those temperature ranges
In which case, he doesn't need to procure the latest & greatest equipment: he can get time-tested equipment from those vendors
You can readily find articles (Score:4, Informative)
This is more pump and dump. Trump has changed the regulations regarding what can go into your 401k and they're going to dump musk's companies stock into them and let it collapse taking your retirement with them. If you are old enough to have a pension you will survive that but otherwise prepare to be flat broke in your old age no matter how hard you work or how much money you make.
If you don't believe me go look up the SpaceX IPO video Patrick Boyle did on youtube. The too long didn't watch is SpaceX has already maxed out all the launch customers that are available so the only growth opportunity is his internet satellites and he's already maxed out the number of customers for those.
They are about to dump 1.5 to 2 trillion dollars of bad stock into your 401k and there's practically nothing you can do about it.
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In theory, $20B is just about enough to finance such a fab. But it does not get you the people or the experience or the organization to make it work. This is not even a problem of money. He would have to hire senior people away from TMCS or Samsung and I doubt any of them would even contemplate coming to the US at this time. Oh, and the $20B is just the fab. A fab does not come with chip-design capabilities, that is not its job.
So, yes, this is stock-market manipulation, plain and simple. One of the things
Not according to Intel or AMD (Score:2)
But yeah you are correct he does not have people with the expertise needed to make the chips that that kind of a Fab would make. And those people are so rare they are monopolized by intel, AMD and Nvidia. There ar
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Indeed. It is just problems on all fronts.
Now Musk could try to buy, say, TMSC and Intel, but, funny thing, he probably does not have enough cash for than and the current owners will very likely not want to sell anyways.
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You can "do AI shit" on a processor you can build in your mom's basement, or on a 1970s Z80 that's already there. Tesla wanted to do it a bit faster than that with less power so their HW3 was built by Samsung on a 14 nm process using DUV lithography. The HW4 is probably a TSMC 7 nm which could be DUV or EUV lithography.
Intel announced their first 14 nm fab in 2011 at $5 billion and they quote their 7 nm fabs at $10 billion.
Tesla/SpaceX might be talking about a cutting edge fab, in which case $20 billion is
A million data centres? (Score:2)
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More like ketamine-induced hallucinations. Musk does not have the skills to do satire.
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Wait til you hear what a gigawatt is! Hint, not a measure of power.
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I'm very curious what you think the answer is.
Terawatt in space? My ASS! (Score:2)
There's no way on (or off) Jupiter's Green Earth that you could ever put a terawatt of anything in space. Every one of those watts would have to be radiated into space somehow. Can you imagine how large the heat sinks would have to be? Keep in mind that radiating heat in a vacuum is about the most inefficient way to get rid of heat that one can think of. On Earth, you can use air and water to move heat around and then dump the air or heat into the environment. In space, you only have radiation, which is bas
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Around a billion m2 of heatsink, it's a little much.
The heatsink can be very light though, they need no real structural strength beyond being able to contain the pressure of the refrigerant (say ethanol at around 1 bar in lots of parallel channels in a thin sheet). The PV can be even thinner.
That will likely not happen (Score:2)
First, building such a fab, if you know what you are doing and have respective experience, is a 10 year or longer thing. Second, you need people with very specific and very rare skills to build and then operate it. I would be surprised if Musk can even hire those. He would have to hire them away from TMCS or Samsung and these people are likely not even interested in moving to the US, let along working for Musk. Third, you need the equipment. This is exceptionally expensive and there are long waiting times.
Pollution incoming (Score:3)
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Santa Clara County, California has more Superfund-registered hazardous waste sites than any other American county because of previous generations of chip manufacturing fabs and suppliers. Austin will repeat history if it doesn't closely regulate and monitor this if it is ever built.
Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. Texas having weak environmental laws is presumably a big part of why Musk is doing it there.
What the hell is a fab anyway? (Score:2)
Jackboot Processor, Fatherland Drivers (Score:2)
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I don't see how this fab can have adequate scale just supplying Musk. It will be a giant money sink.
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How many types of chips go into a car? How hard might it be to reduce a number of them to one of a few categories - CPUs, NPUs, Memory, ASICs, DSPs, FPGAs,... So that they can rake up the volumes in each of them?
Optimistic at best, Fraud at Worse. (Score:2)
$20 billion sounds like a lot until you compare it to the reality of building a modern semiconductor fab. TSMC has already spent several times that on its Arizona fab, and it is still not operating at full capacity.
Why? Because the hard part is not just construction. It is the supply chain.
Take water, for example. Semiconductor manufacturing requires ultra pure water, but water chemistry varies by location. In Phoenix, TSMC had to design and build a bespoke purificat
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But what else has he ever done for us? (Score:2, Funny)
Unlike reusable rockets, EVs, and full self driving...
Yeah, but other than that, what has Elon Musk ever done [youtube.com] for us?
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?Unlike reusable rockets, EVs, and full self driving .. all of which he achieved.
The NTSA is investigating Full Self Driving [electrek.co] as well Tesla facing numerous lawsuits over FSD as being deceptive.
Letâ(TM)s not forget how quickly they built the xAI data center and automobile Gigafactories in Nevada, Texas, and Berlin.
The claims Elon made were never that he would build the xAI datacenters. The claims were about the performance of xAI. I have yet to see any validate claims about xAI other from Elon himself
Semiconductor fabs are known technology. He just has to hire ex TSMC, Samsung, Intel, and ASML employees and heâ(TM)s set. There isnâ(TM)t anything new to invent or hope isnâ(TM)t impossible to do
Yes, that is why Intel who had decades of experience in semiconductor fabrication spent 5 years stuck at 10nm. That's why at the leading edge, only TSMC and Samsung are left. It's just that easy according to you.
He just has to plonk down a bunch of cash for an ASML machine.
And be placed in a line behind all the other companies. At the end of 2025, ASML has a backlog of €38.8 billion. At roughly €464M per machine, the backlog is about 83 machines..
So please, letâ(TM)s not hear any BS about âoeElon has no experience building a fab
Yes because companies like Intel and TSMC have no experience building them either and they struggle.
He just has to ask around who the top guys in the business are.
And take credit for their work like he always does. Remember he is the same guy who claimed he was one of the top Path of Exile players in the world. When livestreamed his play, experienced PoE players knew right away he was a sham. Later, he tried gaslighting everyone by saying he never said he didn't get help leveling his character.
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And let's not forget that Tesla has declining sales. In Europe, it is described as a bloodbath.
I suspect he is getting desperate.
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Could Musk fix your broken unicode text?
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"Unlike reusable rockets, EVs, and full self driving .. all of which he achieved."
LOL. After all this time, your shill game hasn't improved at all. Of those three, only one was "achieved" and Musk merely took over the company and claimed the achievement as his own.
"Yes that includes full self driving, I own a Model Y with FSD and it works great ..."
Second time today you made this claim, but the world knows better.
"Semiconductor fabs are known technology."
Great, so Musk wil build old technology fabs.
"There isnâ(TM)t anything new to invent or hope isnâ(TM)t impossible to do."
That's good, because Musk can't invent anything. You sound really informed though.
"So please, letâ(TM)s not hear any BS about âoeElon has no experience building a fab.â He had no experience building rocket engines, his first employee Tom Mueller did. He didnâ(TM)t have experience designing cars .. that Franz Hof-something dude did. And unlike back then, when he couldnâ(TM)t even write them a fat check, he has a lot more resources at his disposal. He just has to ask around who the top guys in the business are."
Elon Musk has no experience building a fab, it's not BS it's a simple fact. But hiring someone to do the work won't prevent him from taking primary credit, or you from parroting it afterward. Nevertheless, we all understand it will be failure, Musk is a fraud.
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I'll give him, or rather the companies he runs, credit for reusable rockets and goosing the EV industry. He didn't personally do either one, but he certainly had a major part in it. If only he'd stopped there.
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"Yes that includes full self driving, I own a Model Y with FSD and it works great ..."
Second time today you made this claim, but the world knows better.
Well, I've got a Tesla too, and I'm not at all hesitant to complain about its assorted flaws (100+ years of automotive engineering focused on keeping the water and snow OUTSIDE the car? bah!), and I wouldn't go so far as to say FSD works "great," but it's acceptable for what I paid for it. Late-term fire sale prices before they discontinued outright sales.
I've seen crazy bugs. Mine got drunk for a while. Turn on FSD on the highway, it goes fine for a mile, then starts drifting to the left, hugging the l
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Funny. Reusable rockets existed before. EVs existed before and unlike his crap, the other brands do not fall apart after a short time. He does not have self-driving. Others do, with limits, but Musk only has drive-assist and lies.
You really have no clue how things work and it shows.
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Wait what? The Falcon 9 has an impressive track record for recovery and reuse. Turn around time is about two weeks and the cost to refurbish the rocket is far less than building a new one. They have been so successful that other companies and countries are now following suit and moving in that direction.
Starship, on the other hand... that remains to be seen.
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I'm not fond of Musk, but this part about SpaceX is just blatantly untrue. Falcon 9 has an enviable record, with only two full failures and one partial failure out of 619 launches. Of the 602 attempted recoveries, they've made 589 of them using 53 boosters for an average of 11 launches per booster, with at least one (B1067) completing 33 landings.
NASA has most certainly not given up on reusable rockets. They continue to plan for the Falcon line to be used, and New Glenn has some contracts with more likely c
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"When it comes to building physical engineering companies, there are very few people on the planet that are better than Musk. "
False. It's not clear that Musk is even average at doing that.
"He is, arguably, the best industrial businessman. Ever. In the history of our species."
Whatever that is. Elon Musk is a fraud, Elon Musk has contribute no innovations to "physical engineering" or "industrial" technology. You lies are an insult to those who have.
" Musk is an atoms guy. "
No, he's not. Elon Musk is a liar and manipulator, a privileged cheat born with silver spoon in his mouth. He has no technical expertise, education or experience. He is a fraud who knows how to work VC investors and cheat his way to wealth.
"...he could pull it off better than anyone."
You conclude based on your severe misinformation.
Imagine the guy that micromanaged the Cybertruck with all its glorious "quality" features building a modern, competitive fab. It's a real knee-slapper.
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Whatever that is. Elon Musk is a fraud, Elon Musk has contribute no innovations to "physical engineering" or "industrial" technology. You lies are an insult to those who have.
While I generally agree with you, I do disagree with you: Elon Musk brought attention, money, and engineering to spaceflight and electric vehicles. Bill Gates didn't. Warren Buffet didn't. Jeff Bezos tried to do the spaceflight thing, but only because Elon Musk was already doing it. In short, every millionaire and billionaire was busy hoarding money, not doing anything interesting with it.
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Interesting. What do you think his big trick is? Why are his companies successful?
Re:He might pull it off (Score:4, Insightful)
I hope he's at least paying you.
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No. Musk got lucky before and was able to pour a lot of money into some stagnant fields and so some not-very-good engineering. There is zero chance he will be able to do this. This is orders of magnitude harder than anything else he has done and the pool of people that can do this is much, much smaller. He will not even be able to hire the people that can do it for him.
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Dude apparently hasn't heard of China.
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This phrasing to which I responded isn't specific to fabs. My comment about China was more general. China seems absolutely incredible at building almost anything. To be clear, none if this is any area where I have any expertise.
All of that being said, and therefore in response to your statement about fabs in China specifically:
I'm not making any political argument in this statement but it is worth noting that Taiwan could at times in
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Musk loves setting extreme engineering challenges for himself and his companies, and meets many of them, hence his success.
This is another of those and, while involving yet another different hardware field, it is still hardware. I think he might meet it.
Ob.: Yes, he's a dick and his politics may be different to yours. Not relevant.