Stephen Colbert To Write Next 'Lord of the Rings' Movie (cnn.com) 140
An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNN: Stephen Colbert already has a new job lined up for when he ends his 11-year run as host of "The Late Show" in May -- the comedian and well-known J.R.R. Tolkien superfan announced he will co-write and develop a new film in the blockbuster "Lord of the Rings" franchise. Colbert joined "LOTR" director Peter Jackson to reveal the news in a video announcement.
"I'm pretty happy about it. You know what the books mean to me and what your films mean to me," the late-night host told Jackson, who led the Oscar-winning team behind the nearly $6 billion original "Lord of the Rings" and "The Hobbit" trilogies. [...] Colbert said the next installment will be based on parts of Tolkien's "The Fellowship of the Ring" book that didn't make it into the original movies. "The thing I found myself reading over and over again were the six chapters early on in (The Fellowship of the Ring) that y'all never developed into the first movie back in the day ... and I thought, 'Oh, wait, maybe that could be its own story that could fit into the larger story.'" he said.
Colbert said he discussed the idea with his son, screenwriter Peter McGee, to work out the framing of the story. "It took me a few years to scrape my courage into a pile and give you a call, but about two years ago, I did. You liked it enough to talk to me about it," Colbert told Jackson. Colbert said he, McGee and Jackson have been working alongside screenwriter Philippa Boyens on the development of the story. "I could not be happier to say that they loved it, and so that's what we're going to be working on," Colbert said. Colbert's LOTR movie, tentatively titled "Shadow of the Past," will be the second of two new upcoming films in the franchise from Warner Bros. Discovery. The first of which is called "The Hunt for Gollum" due to be released in 2027.
"I'm pretty happy about it. You know what the books mean to me and what your films mean to me," the late-night host told Jackson, who led the Oscar-winning team behind the nearly $6 billion original "Lord of the Rings" and "The Hobbit" trilogies. [...] Colbert said the next installment will be based on parts of Tolkien's "The Fellowship of the Ring" book that didn't make it into the original movies. "The thing I found myself reading over and over again were the six chapters early on in (The Fellowship of the Ring) that y'all never developed into the first movie back in the day ... and I thought, 'Oh, wait, maybe that could be its own story that could fit into the larger story.'" he said.
Colbert said he discussed the idea with his son, screenwriter Peter McGee, to work out the framing of the story. "It took me a few years to scrape my courage into a pile and give you a call, but about two years ago, I did. You liked it enough to talk to me about it," Colbert told Jackson. Colbert said he, McGee and Jackson have been working alongside screenwriter Philippa Boyens on the development of the story. "I could not be happier to say that they loved it, and so that's what we're going to be working on," Colbert said. Colbert's LOTR movie, tentatively titled "Shadow of the Past," will be the second of two new upcoming films in the franchise from Warner Bros. Discovery. The first of which is called "The Hunt for Gollum" due to be released in 2027.
wHY? (Score:1, Insightful)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3, Insightful)
And just like star wars, we can stop watching. I have the original 3 movies, extended versions of course, and I have the 3 hobbit movies (not as good but still decent enough). I agree that amazon's content was shallow and just abusing the IP. It was entertaining enough, but only because I was less familiar with that part of the lore.
Even though I'm a big LOTR fan, I'm happy to ignore future releases. I do the same with Star Wars. As far as I'm concerned, only 6 movies were made and I'm not missing anything
Re:because (Score:4, Insightful)
and I have the 3 hobbit movies (not as good but still decent enough).
Really? REALLY?!?
Because the movies I remember watching were complete and utter departures from Tolkien's writing. They were nothing like the book, and were terrible as a result.
Re: (Score:2)
Yeah, everyone said that about Star Wars episodes 1-3 also. They were still entertaining.
I do agree with you they were departures from the books though. Big time. The original LOTR were much closer and even they departed from the books as well.
I'm just not THAT big a fan of the books. Sure, I've read them all but that was twenty years ago. I do however completely understand your position and can also totally understand why you feel precisely the way you do.
It's how I felt when amazon did what they did with
Re: because (Score:2)
Well, episodes 1 and 2 were anyway
Re: (Score:2)
No Tom Bombadil, so not the real deal.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
It would have added Tom Bombadil, which is as sufficient as anything to add to something.
Re: (Score:2)
Because the movies I remember watching were complete and utter departures from Tolkien's writing.
Everything is relative in this world.
They were terrible just as you say. But there were a couple of nuggets (e.g., a few seconds of Beorn showing up to the battle of 5 armies, riddles in the dark with Bilbo & Gollum). And perhaps GP just saw Rings of Power (I have not watched it, but I have seen reviews on YouTube).
Re: (Score:2)
I wish Bakshi had been able to finish the series.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:1)
You either like the books, or at least respect the books' author, or you like the movies.
You can disagree, but you'll have to take it up with Christopher Tolkien (or his ghost).
Re: (Score:2)
That said Colbert doesn't know jack about screenwriting, it is like nothing else, not even writing novels (look at how JK Rowling did when she tried to write screenplays instead of novels) so I would question how much input he's really going to have.
The headline threw me, then I saw his son, whom is a screenwriter, is attached as well. Then I looked up his son's credits on IMDB. He was a production assistant on one of Colbert's shows and.... that's it.
I hope it will be good, but it's not looking that way.
Nepo-In; Where the cool kids get a job. (Score:2)
This is just a feather in the cap so the son can get a career started in Hollywood. "I co-wrote 'The Search for Gollum." I am 100% sure there will be an honest to god screenwriter doing the heavy lifting. Obviously there would need to be SOME contribution to meet the WGA rules but it won't necessarily be in the final script.
With that kind of resume building, we can expect a new Fast N' Furious sequel where a muscle-bound Austrian convinces Toretto to get his ass to Mars, because Race Wars meets Star Wars.
May the Farce be With Him. Always.
Re: (Score:2)
Jackson is also the director of the bad movies, just sayin'.
Re:because (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: (Score:2)
... plus the world's best known Tolkien expert is a way to signal that the movie will stick to truth.
Dress it up however you like - it's still fan fiction. When you're dealing with a dead author, the correct approach is to write something original that pays homage to older works of the genre.
Imagine if we'd just kept endlessly reusing Shakespeare's characters and worlds over and over, rather than writing anything new.
Re: (Score:2)
The LOTR "franchise" has lost all credibility thanks to Amazon. Bringing back the director of the good movies plus the world's best known Tolkien expert is a way to signal that the movie will stick to truth. That said Colbert doesn't know jack about screenwriting, it is like nothing else, not even writing novels (look at how JK Rowling did when she tried to write screenplays instead of novels) so I would question how much input he's really going to have. If I had to guess, it would be about as much input as George RR Martin has on his TV series, i.e., he attends a few meetings with writers and then fucks off and cashes his check.
I think Colbert's kid is a screenwriter and is going to be "helping," i.e. actually doing the writing, in this project. Colbert is most likely just gonna be the nerd providing the backbone.
That said, I don't know if screenwriting matters anymore. These things have to pass through so many different committees and meet so many different agendas before they get to the shooting stage that the writer has about as much say over the final product as the metal miners have over where the final bolts get set in a veh
Re: (Score:3, Insightful)
Before he went political? We're talking about Colbert? Of... the Colbert Report?
Re: (Score:2, Insightful)
Back in the day he was a LOTR superfan (Score:1)
He has some experience writing for TV, again, back in the day.
Apparently given access to Jackson he was able to successfully leverage the preceding.
Re:because (Score:4, Insightful)
I remember Slashdot before all the whining about American politics in the comments..
Re:because (Score:4, Funny)
Re: because (Score:2)
Too much exposure to faux news probably
Re: (Score:1, Flamebait)
Re:wHY? (Score:5, Funny)
The theory of the joke is another... (Score:2)
Trick that never works.
But I am personally offended by the original sloppy and vacuous Subject, apparently motivated by the lust to FP because of something Colbert said that made the rest of us laugh. Probably at the actual Insight, to be contrasted to whatever idiocy that motivated some moderator to designate such an FP as insightful.
A hug? Thanks? Or no thanks? Mostly seems like it's too late for that trick to help much.
So.... (Score:2)
Re: (Score:1)
Re: (Score:2)
Also, please do not cast aged actors past their prime. Please.
What do you mean? The main Hobbits are usually portrayed by younger actors. Gandalf should be portrayed by an older actor. Elves should be somewhere in between. If everyone is young it looks dumb.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
How about a Muppet babies version. All the characters you love, but they are toddlers.
Re: (Score:3)
When the original LOTR films were announced people were extremely skeptical and I mean for good reason, up until then Jackson was known as a horror-comedy-schlock director with one compelling drama movie under his belt. Sounds like a recipe for disaster no?
Very few film scripts make it from a typewriter to the screen without involvement for other people no matter what the credits say. Star Wars 1977 has one credited writer and we all know the story of how much help Lucas had when it came time to actually
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
I'll admit I had a really hard time accepting the original theatrical release as I had just finished the books. They cut out a decent amount. The further I got away from when I read the book, the more entertaining the movies became. I really enjoyed the extended versions as well.
If you are married to a given book series, no film will ever do it justice. If you read the book 20 years ago, you probably forgot half the book(s) anyway.
My best example would be The Wheel of Time series. It's far to large to ever
Re: (Score:2)
Passion alone does not make a good outcome.
Re: (Score:3)
Why not?
He usually writes about a mad wanna-be usurper of power who's trying to destroy the world in order to rule over it.
Sounds pretty much like the lord of the rings.
Why? Please, why? There are so many excellent ... (Score:3)
... Fantasy worlds out there that would look epic as a AAA fantasy blockbuster triology. Raymond E. Feist comes to mind. Bernard Hennen, Guy Gavrial Kay, Brandon Sanderson and countless other top-shelf fantasy authors and epic worlds. Can't we just leave LOTR be? It's gotten an excellent film adaption, one that will stand the test of time if it doesn't get diluted with trash like it already partially has. Please stop right now.
I think we may be truly witnessing the dawn of western culture and it effing hurts.
Re: (Score:2)
This one way to keep him nice about being censored...
He's a super nerd on lord of the rings. Not sure this will turn out well except Jackson will tone it down like he did the books... but hopefully not pad it out extremely like he did the Hobbit. Perhaps this is the job-- make the padding not so bad as they stretch out more and more from little.
Interesting his son took his mother's last name.
I wonder if Lord Trump orders this project scrapped out of spite? It could happen and likely would if the Eye of Tr
Re: (Score:2)
What "excellent film adaptation" are you talking about? There's one old animated adaptation, and that's is. There's also a movie that bears the same title, but it's apparently a coincidence: nothing except the title and names of some of main characters matches, thus I don't see how it could be relevant to Tolkien's books.
The first thing about adapting a book is reading it at least once, and Peter Jackson skipped that step.
Re: (Score:3)
Enough with the gate keeping.
You cant make a literal version of LOTR unless you want an extremely boring trilogy of unwatchable 9 hour films.
You know full well that while it deviated from t
Re: (Score:3)
You know full well that while it deviated from the books in some minor and a couple of major, ways (they did our boy Tom Bombadil wrong)
They only left him out, they did much worse to Faramir.
Tom Bombadil was important to the books, to give a certain feeling. But not so much to the movies, which felt epic enough without him.
Re: (Score:2)
they did our boy Tom Bombadil wrong
This is part of what Colbert wants to fix. His proposed film will cover the largely-omitted chapters 3-8 of The Fellowship of the Ring, including the barrow wights and Tom Bombadil.
Re: (Score:2)
why?
maah-ney
I love LOTR but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Colbert's LOTR movie, tentatively titled "Shadow of the Past," will be the second of two new upcoming films in the franchise from Warner Bros. Discovery.
...I'm not giving Ellison and his cronies even a single penny
Could it be good? (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
If Peter Jackson is attached, I'd watch it.
He's going to Kathleen Kennedy the LOTR (Score:3)
Can you short a franchise?
I have no idea how this will turn out, but (Score:2)
I have heard Colbert talk about the LOTR universe before, and I swear he has even the hundreds of pages of those LOTR appendices memorized (if you've got the books, you know what I'm referring to). He really is a Tolkien super-fanboy.
Will it have Ewoks? (Score:2)
A little poetic license can only help, and they're so cute
Still a shame (Score:3)
Re: Still a shame (Score:2, Informative)
Rings of Power is way better than Peter Jackson's Hobbit trilogy.
Re: Still a shame (Score:2)
Colbert is Too Openly Partisan for This (Score:1, Troll)
I guess ... (Score:2)
Re: Colbert is Too Openly Partisan for This (Score:2)
Colbert was invited to speak at the White House Correspondents' Dinner reportedly because the conservative administration thought he was actually conservative.
Re: (Score:2)
We've all seen it where openly partisan writers or directors, especially Netflix and Disney, incorporate their politics into their movies or shows and destroy their essence in the process
LOTR is about freedom vs oppression, had not just strong but powerful female characters from the get-go, and the morals are about ordinary people defeating evil by being true to their fellowship. It's woke AF from start to finish.
Virtue signal (Score:2)
I can't wait for Gandalf to rant about Trump (Score:1)
This summer marks 50 years since I first read Lord of the Rings. Maybe I should celebrate by unplugging from this retarded hellscape
if he can pull this off.... (Score:2)
Yessssss. (Score:1)
I almost daare to hope. (Score:2)
Colbert seems to truly care. He is not venturing into non-canon space. The gaps in the Fellowship movie were significant, and in my mind important. I felt that Glorfindel and Bombadil were too important to be sacrificed to fit the media. I don't hold out much hope for Glorfindel, because his actual actions in the story are given to Arwen in the movie, but Bombadil was just skipped. So based on what little we know it looks like this will be the story of Bombadil, obviously the barrow wights, and hopefully
I have hopes (Score:2)
Given that what I've read, he actually *cares* about the BOOKS.
My issue is all the pics we see of what's supposed to be Tom Bombadil... um, er, are they all color blind? "Old Tom Bombadil, bright blue his coat, and his boots are yellow."
How (Score:2)
I'm not seeing how he is going to incorporate Trump into it. Maybe a "No Rings" demonstration?
Re: (Score:2)
Wasn't cancelling the Ring for being a symbol of systemic oppression was the whole plot of Lord of the Rings?
Wasn't Colbert's Late Show was highly political from day one as Colbert was brought in from his 100% political show The Colbert Report?
Re: (Score:2)
I thought the Ring was a metaphor for technology/industrial revolution etc. not generically all oppression.
Re: (Score:2)
The entire volume was an allegory of West versus East, despite Tolkien claiming otherwise. I enjoyed it, overall.
Re: (Score:1)
No. Actually he wasn't political from day one on the Late Show. At first he shed his Colbert Report persona and tried to do the typical "make nice with everyone" late night host a la Carson, Leno, and Letterman. Thing is, times were changing, audiences were expecting and demanding sharper wit, speaking truth to power, and takedowns of the high and mighty. And ratings started to slide. So Colbert adapted, brought elements of the Report back, but more overt and open than the playing th coy in-character pe
Re: Comedian does not a fantasy writer make (Score:2)
Ah yes, the "no true Catholic" argument. Hey, guess what, nobody gives a fuck about litmus tests from people still in the most irritating Christian cult and world's longest running child rape conspiracy. There's a reason your religion is shrinking.
Re: (Score:2)
Just like Jordan Peele? (Score:3, Insightful)
Finally, the untold story of how the Hobbits discovered microaggressions and how the Ring got canceled for being a symbol of systemic oppression. Shadow of the Past? Perfect title â" itâ(TM)s literally the shadow that swallowed Colbertâ(TM)s once-great Late Show, the one that started hilarious and then slowly petered out under an avalanche of politics until half the audience ghosted it for good. Middle-earth just got Colbertâ(TM)d. Hard pass.
Are you really that clueless? Comedy is a profession and a day job for people like him. He's a devout Catholic and family man and none of his material suggests that...why?...because he's a fucking professional. He's writing jokes for his audience, not himself. Colbert is a very intelligent man with a huge passion for Tolkein and that universe. Historically, writing styles are not consistent between genres. Look at Jordan Peele. Key and Peele was a good sketch show. I enjoyed it, but not in my top 5
Re: (Score:1)
My guess is that he will apply every bit of intellect he has to replicate Tolkein and give the most Tolkein-ian experience and it will look nothing like his old work.
In other words, a screenplay indistinguishable from the output of a LLM trained on the entirety of Tolkien's works, basically. No wonder Hollywood types are worried about their jobs.
Re: (Score:2)
My guess is that he will apply every bit of intellect he has to replicate Tolkein and give the most Tolkein-ian experience and it will look nothing like his old work.
In other words, a screenplay indistinguishable from the output of a LLM trained on the entirety of Tolkien's works, basically. No wonder Hollywood types are worried about their jobs.
In other words, grunting pan-flute upwards but absolute mist pointedly because gravitational fodder of spool children (the darkest submarine), before we flabbergasted.
Dude, the format "in other words, [stuff that bears no resemblance to what was said]" doesn't convince anyone of anything.*
* Except when I do it.
Re: (Score:2)
Okay, here's in the same words instead, since derivation seems to be the order of the day:
My guess is that he will apply every bit of intellect he has to replicate his old work and give the most Tolkein-ian experience, and it will look nothing like Tolkein.
I guess we'll never have entertainment then? (Score:2)
My guess is that he will apply every bit of intellect he has to replicate Tolkein and give the most Tolkein-ian experience and it will look nothing like his old work.
In other words, a screenplay indistinguishable from the output of a LLM trained on the entirety of Tolkien's works, basically. No wonder Hollywood types are worried about their jobs.
By your logic, there would be no new electronic music. You don't need an LLM to generate EDM from algorithms based on what clubbers respond to. We had the technology 30 years ago and yet it's a thriving genre. Time will tell, but I imagine the 2 biggest and most famous fans of Tolkein can best an LLM slopping together a story. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if they used the LLM to help them or to judge their work. That would be a smart use of technology. However, the human touch and vision will be clea
Re: (Score:2)
Music can be formulaic, repetitive and highly derivative and still be entertaining. Stories, on the other hand, aren't always things that lend themselves well to fan-interpreted extrapolation. Hell, often even when the original authors try to extrapolate upon their own stories, the result is kind of *meh* (The Matrix sequels, I'm looking at you).
Re: (Score:2)
Yeah, and Ben Shapiro ignores my advice too!!! (Score:2)
Colbert is a professional, and Colbert Report was hilarious, but the long downward spiral of his talk show is enough to give one pause. I’m sure he didn’t write it all but no doubt directed the material, and how could he not see the shift away from actually trying to be funny? We have enough sources to turn to for political adversaries, and what struck me was there always seemed a clear hilarious and non-partisan way to make fun of whatever Trump was doing, but it was also clear to everyone what they put out was incensed political opposition with god-awful attempts at humor taped on top. Let’s not pretend a lot of writers haven’t used major IP avenues to preach their own version of what they believe, rather than what is entertaining. Let’s hope it doesn’t go this route.
His audience loves that. He has a team of writers. The late show is a corporate product, not an artistic one. He's at the helm, but it's less of a reflection of his personal ideas and more what his producers think the audience wants. You don't like it? Well...it has a huge audience...and you're not one of them. It's like Sean Hannity, Ben Shapiro, Guttfeld, the Critical Drinker Twat, etc. Their shows fucking suck and are shittily written...but they have their audiences and they love it.
Guttfeld w
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
You can make a few political jokes. But if it's your primary topic, and always leans in one direction, eventually you'll become preachy and only funny to an odd audience who will laugh at anything that aligns with their beliefs.
Carson, on for years, wasn't exactly a comedy goldmine. But he was consistent and stayed away from strong stances to keep from alienating his
Re: (Score:2)
Rob Reiner started out as a sitcom actor and made many great movies.
Re: (Score:2)
Count the number of "former" intelligence officials on his company's board.
Then search for the many photos of him mouth-kissing his father and son (RIP).
They use both carrots and sticks to control compromised people.
Re: (Score:1)
There will be female elves beating up everything: orcs, male elves, male humans, dragons, horses, barrels of ale. Everything.
Also, girl Legolas. Bet that.
Might have made a good date movie, if anyone still went on dates.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:1)
It was male. However, it was also gay, as Colbert will reveal.
Gay elves, gay hobbits. You'll see.
Re: (Score:2)
Private Spunkmeyer: Yeah, Frost, but the one that you had was a male!
Private Frost: It doesn't matter when it's Arcturian, baby!
Re: (Score:2)
I swear you just about described what the Hobbit movies were.
Re: (Score:2)
Frodo and Sam are a couple.
That ship has sailed. [time.com] I mean they did everything together in the original films except knock boots in a tent Brokeback Mountain style, so...
Re:Sauron . . . (Score:4, Insightful)
Shame the movie totally left out that Sam was employed by Frodo. It literally got one line in the second movie when Faramie says"Are you his body guard?" Sam replies "I'm his gardener." The original LOTR had a lot more of the worker class and capital class conflicts in it.
Oh, and Bert and Ernie were gay too, right? Of course, from a kids perspective, they were kids themselves and kids have sleep overs and *gasps* share the same bed. Guess they are all gay. It's just hogwash.
Re: (Score:3)
Re: Sauron . . . (Score:2)
Hobbits are capitalist as fuck.
Re: (Score:3)
Oh, and Bert and Ernie were gay too, right? Of course, from a kids perspective, they were kids themselves and kids have sleep overs and *gasps* share the same bed. Guess they are all gay. It's just hogwash.
As an irrelevant side not, the producers of Sesame Street did issue a formal statement on the subject:
"They're puppets and puppets don't have a sexual orientation."
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:1)
> I mean they did everything together in the original films except knock boots in a tent Brokeback Mountain style, so..
This reads like you don't understand friendship at all.
Re: (Score:1)
New conservative fantasy unlocked. Trans hobbits.
Re: Sauron . . . (Score:2)
They're trying to talk themselves out of their boners