New Jersey Cannot Regulate Kalshi's Prediction Market, US Appeals Court Rules (reuters.com) 83
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: A federal appeals court ruled on Monday that New Jersey gaming regulators cannot prevent Kalshi from allowing people in the state to use its prediction market to place financial bets on the outcome of sporting events.
A three-judge panel of the Philadelphia-based 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled 2-1 (PDF) in finding that the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission has exclusive jurisdiction over the sports-related event contracts that Kalshi allows people to trade on its platform. The ruling marked the first time a federal appeals court has ruled on what has become the central issue in an escalating battle over the ability of state gaming regulators to police the activity of prediction market operators.
Kalshi and companies like it allow users to place trades and profit from predictions on events such as sports and elections. States argue that firms like Kalshi are operating without required state licenses, in violation of gaming laws, including bans on wagers by those under 21. Those states include New Jersey, which last year sent Kalshi a cease-and-desist letter stating that its listing of sports-related event contracts on its platform violated state gambling laws that prohibit betting on collegiate sports. Kalshi sued the state, arguing its event contracts qualify as "swaps," a type of derivative contract, that under the Commodity Exchange Act can only be regulated by the CFTC, which had granted the company a license to operate a designated contract market (DCM).
A lower-court judge had sided with New York-based Kalshi and issued a preliminary injunction, prompting New Jersey to appeal. But a majority of the judges on the 3rd Circuit panel concluded the Commodity Exchange Act likely preempted state law. "Kalshi's sports-related event contracts are swaps traded on a CFTC-licensed DCM, so the CFTC has exclusive jurisdiction," U.S. Circuit Judge David Porter wrote. The ruling was in line with the position advanced in other litigation by the CFTC under President Donald Trump's administration. The regulator last week sued Arizona, Connecticut and Illinois to prevent them from pursuing what it called unlawful efforts to regulate prediction markets.
Kalshi and companies like it allow users to place trades and profit from predictions on events such as sports and elections. States argue that firms like Kalshi are operating without required state licenses, in violation of gaming laws, including bans on wagers by those under 21. Those states include New Jersey, which last year sent Kalshi a cease-and-desist letter stating that its listing of sports-related event contracts on its platform violated state gambling laws that prohibit betting on collegiate sports. Kalshi sued the state, arguing its event contracts qualify as "swaps," a type of derivative contract, that under the Commodity Exchange Act can only be regulated by the CFTC, which had granted the company a license to operate a designated contract market (DCM).
A lower-court judge had sided with New York-based Kalshi and issued a preliminary injunction, prompting New Jersey to appeal. But a majority of the judges on the 3rd Circuit panel concluded the Commodity Exchange Act likely preempted state law. "Kalshi's sports-related event contracts are swaps traded on a CFTC-licensed DCM, so the CFTC has exclusive jurisdiction," U.S. Circuit Judge David Porter wrote. The ruling was in line with the position advanced in other litigation by the CFTC under President Donald Trump's administration. The regulator last week sued Arizona, Connecticut and Illinois to prevent them from pursuing what it called unlawful efforts to regulate prediction markets.
So much for the rule of law (Score:5, Insightful)
These gambling businesses are draining about 60 billion a year mostly from Young men. There will be long-term social consequences and if you're not really old and about to die you will experience them. Like it or not you and I all live in the same society.
Re:So much for the rule of law (Score:4, Funny)
There will be long-term social consequences and if you're not really old and about to die you will experience them.
Sure, but the question is when. I've got $200 on before Jan 2028.
You can already see some cracks (Score:5, Insightful)
Unless Trump backs down in the next week or so we are going to have massive food shortages. That will drive up the cost of everything everywhere as everyone competes for a shrinking food supply. This is because so much of the fertilizer goes through the straight and we are in the planting season and we need to get going and we can't.
One of the problems with this country is people aren't very bright. They can't extrapolate even simple things. The majority of Americans seem to think at about the level of a 12-year-old. So they can't figure out the difference between news and propaganda and they can't understand that just because they could afford to eat this week doesn't mean they can afford to eat next week.
On top of that you've got a good chunk of people who are over that edge already and when you are struggling for your next meal it's hard to think clearly. So even if you somehow made it over the hump of thinking like a 12-year-old a few years of poverty and the stress that comes with it will knock you right back down.
Which is exactly why the Epstein class keeps so many people in that state. Idle hands are The devil's plaything after all...
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You're not trying to eliminate them (Score:3)
The problem with gambling is that it is legitimately and clinically addictive. Prostitution is a problem but a
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Have you ever heard of a bookie? If you're young, likely not. They don't have much business anymore due to online gaming. But back when Vegas and Atlantic City (and scattered Indian reservations) were the only places with legal casinos, every town of any size had illegal gambling going on, often in the backroom or basement of some shady bar.
Gambling addicts never had a hard time finding a place to cater to their addiction. But outlawing gambling, or even regulating it sharply, just puts more of it into the
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Anyone who even calls other people "a commie" are generally poorly educated and have zero clue about ANYTHING involving politics. That's not a defense of rsilvergun, just an observation based on what the least educated people use as an insult. You probably support that pedophile in the White House as well as his pedophile friends.
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Get help for your TDS
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But prostitution you at least get an instant return on your investment. Gambling doesn't guarantee any wins, ever.
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he's just corrupt. The Republican party has put a shitload of corrupt judges on the bench so that they could get them to rule in favor of large businesses and corporations against consumers and employees. Justice beer bro and that one girl that couldn't answer high School civics questions during her Senate hearing are probably the most famous examples bu
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I think Judge C has had some of the most brilliant legal reasonings in the past century...thank God for him on the court.
I rate him second only to Scalia....
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To be fair, the stock market, day trading and futures trading are all also forms of gambling.
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To be a simpleton, everything is the same.
With a UID like that, I can't call you a millennial; which is a demographic loaded of simpletons, or the many I ran into were 10 years ago compared with the previous groups. The gen I see now are just stupid; but trying more.
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No, the judges looked at the laws and determined that the activity is under Federal jurisdiction.
Since you are unhappy the thing to do is get the law changed to exclude prediction markets from the laws regulating futures contracts.
I happen to agree with you by the way. The Commerce Clause was way over extended back in the days of FDR. If there is no physical product crossing the border it should be under the State's jurisdiction. The prediction markets do not want to set up 50 different companies so want to
Re: So much for the rule of law (Score:4, Insightful)
The hope of those that pull the strings of our government is that young men saddled with debt will fight our wars.
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Absolutely correct. I'm shocked judges and regulators have let this nonsense persist this long. The "market"s arguments are pure and obvious sophistry.
Re:Not a fan of it but glad they won (Score:5, Interesting)
See there's no way to word this that won't sound like whataboutism, but I'm legitimately curious of your opinion on some other ways I think would be really neat to be able to spend my money on that I don't believe I currently legally can, but I'm interested in your opinion if I should be able to;
- Do you think I should be able to legally spend my money on crowdfunding assassination of someone specific? I feel like there's some really unpopular people that could be done away with that way. You could pretty much do it on Kalshi as is, too! Any bet against someone dying before some date is effectively funding the would-be assassin who could buy the "will die", then doing the deed to ensure payout.
- Do you think I should have the freedom to just start a casino in my house, ignoring licenses, taxes and all of those that currently apply to those? Because Kalshi for all intents and purposes just is that. I'm pretty sure I could fairly easily run a webcam pointed at a roulette that'd automatically open and resolve little prediction markets on individual round outcomes, same with the blackjack of course. You don't even need chips; you just scan a QR code with your phone when you sit down, and tap buttons from there.
- Do you think that I should be able to fund my moidle casino and my assassination "bets" by, instead of entering securities markets and dealing with all the bothersome requirements of public disclosure and meddlesome legal liability tied to issuing publicly traded stock, simply betting on my company's earnings and performance on Kalshi and effectively using the sentiment there as investment stock people can pass me capital to effectively receive a stake in my biz? Because you really don't need a stock market if you can just sell bets on your biz on Kalshi.
Betting markets can very effectively simulate money flows in many areas of society that are fairly strictly controlled for a broad variety of reasons, but suddenly, because you do it in crypto and purely virtually, they're bypassed. I'm, again, seriously, non-rhetorically asking your opinion, because I do wish to learn if you believe all these regulations are wrong and moot and should be relaxed, and thus Kalshi should be allowed to operate as it does, or if you somehow can explain the belief that these old methods should remain regulated and prediction markets should be an exception allowing previously regulated behaviors.
Re:Not a fan of it but glad they won (Score:5, Insightful)
Okay, cool, so, I open a not-a-casino in Houston, Texas and pitch up one of these bitcoin ATMs in the foyer, and since all of the actual transactions of gambling and crowdsourcing assassinations happens on a prediction market hosted in South Africa, from the local legal standpoint the local operation with the blackjack tables and hookers and bounty boards listing the payout on proof of killing all should have the legal liability and tax exposure comparable to a chuck-e-cheese, is that correct?
Again to be clear, I do consider myself moderately pro-gambling, definitely pro-hooker and could probably could think of a person or two whom I wouldn't mind at all seeing getting ventilated on live TV. But I am trying to understand the people who seem they'd classically have issues with all of these things but seem to believe the virtual standoff distance makes it something else.
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Europe DOES regulate Facebook and Google.
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America is the worlds army. But not the worlds judiciary. Send in the Marines or shut the fuck up.
Can we have a vote on this?
It depends (Score:4, Funny)
Re: Not a fan of it but glad they won (Score:2)
This should be about state's rights. The modern interpretation of the commerce clause has gutted the Constitution. And instead of everyone living in a state were they have some potential representation of their regional demographic, we have a nation where only the ones that can afford to support 9 figure campaign budgets get a voice.
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Indeed the The Commerce Clause has been so stretched as to place essentially nothing outside the bounds of federal law.
SCOUTS really needs to look hard at the individual precedents that have expanded that interpretation in light of that practical reality. Some or all of those have to be incorrect because there is no world where the 10th Amendment gets included, but the intent of Article:1-8-3, is as broad as supposed.
Red state AGs really should be shopping every case they can for opportunities to get in fro
step 1 pay Trump for a pardon (Score:2)
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I am not a fan of prediction markets myself, but I am extremely happy to see them win this case.
Okay, fine, let's see some consistency then. If we've established legal precedent that gambling is a-okay, then break out the black jack and hookers (well, legalizing the hookers can be step #2).
The problem I have with this is they've somehow shoehorned prediction markets into some other legal definition where it isn't gambling. That'd be like successfully arguing in court that torrenting Hollywood films isn't actually violating copyright laws, because it's just like loaning your copy of your Blu-Ray to a
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they've somehow shoehorned prediction markets into some other legal definition where it isn't gambling.
It's no different than Uber and Lyft being taxi services, but somehow they've been shoehorned into something which isn't a taxi service.
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I am not a fan of prediction markets myself, but I am extremely happy to see them win this case.
Are you happy absurd nonsense prevailed or is it just outcome aligned with preference?
If this is a free country, then let people spend their money how they want. Everyone with a small brain who doesnt like something gets their little five seconds of trying to ban it.
It is one thing to argue for repealing gambling laws. It is another to support absurd word games as the modality by which that end is achieved.
One can't well have a free country when for example:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or aff
Re: Not a fan of it but glad they won (Score:2)
I consider a free country to be one where the people govern. The absence of regulation is not a step towards freedom. But the removal of authority of a more representative government of the people is a step away from freedom.
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So, should betting on the final number of little girls that Trump has raped be allowed? How about betting on how long someone actually survives(down to the second) that a specific person lives after being pushed out of an airlock from the ISS? Betting on things that by themselves are seen as disgusting behaviors is something that shouldn't be legal. Putting regulations on things that can be manipulated as well, just to help certain people profit while others get hurt makes a lot of sense, but the Trum
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^^^ Someone with some points please mod this (#66081144) up!
Re: Not a fan of it but glad they won (Score:3)
Itâ(TM)s not a âoefreeâ country though. There are limits on everything. One person owns a thing and you canâ(TM)t touch it without permission.
We might have a lot of choices, within a confined area like what shampoo to buy from three different holding companies that might mean itâ(TM)s actually two. But we canâ(TM)t just take that shampoo without buying it.
We also have a duty to society; or we can watch it fall apart, which is what we are doing.
The prediction market is gambling,
Gambling ruins lots of lives (Score:2)
Re:Gambling ruins lots of lives (Score:5, Insightful)
It's also the employees of the companies that shut down thanks to embezzlement and theft.
Structuring your nation's laws around the longevity of companies is a terrible idea. Most companies should fail, because most companies are bullshit created by ambitious idiots and/or scofflaws and deserve failure. Most companies that have ever existed are gone today. And that's fine. That's healthy.
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I'm not sure what logical fallacy is at play here (Score:1)
Preventing criminals from destroying private businesses isn't "structuring laws around business longevity". If you want that the complete lack of antitrust law enforcement would be a better example.
Private businesses are part of the overall infrastructure that makes your society work. So yeah when there is a attack on necessary infrastructure you do something about it or your civilization collapses.
I really hope you're at least getting paid to
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Hah! rsilvergun saying stuff that isn't commie pabulum.
If you weren't so simple you'd know that my view is pro-business. But that would involve not mindlessly obeying your training.
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Don't forget the children that don't eat, or miss out on a lot of opportunities because dad spend the money on whatever his version of a horse race happens to be.
I gambling should be restricted to private in person bets, between parties and it should be illegal to profit directly from any sort of book making or facilitation of gambling activities.
So if you and buddy you invited over to watch the game want to bet on the outcome with each other - legal
If you and some friends go the saloon/moose lodge and have
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Controlling the courts matters (Score:2)
Slot machines... (Score:2)
You know, looking at the definition, I could probably make the argument that a pull on a slot machine is a "swap" per the definitions as long as the casino operator jumped through the hoops to get declared a DCM.
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Send in the Marines or shut the fuck up.
Are you sure that's what you want? It's become clear that they will in fact send the Marines.
Re: Slot machines... (Score:2)
Haha you think our votes are counted
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It's become clear that they will in fact send the Marines.
Viet Nam: Oooh! I'm so scared.
A slot machine is just fitness equipment (Score:2)
You know, looking at the definition, I could probably make the argument that a pull on a slot machine is a "swap" per the definitions as long as the casino operator jumped through the hoops to get declared a DCM.
I'd say a slot machine is a pay per rep piece of fitness equipment. No expensive gym membership needed for a workout It also has a randomized reward system to help people maintain interest in their workouts.. :-)
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I believe that was precisely the point of the dissenting judge.
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Thinking further, it seems like it'd be impossible to separate things because commodities future trading is in fact a kind of gambling. When you buy a futures contract, you're betting that the price of the commodity will go above the contract price. The seller is betting it won't. The only difference is what you get if you win the bet. dollars or eg. corn. Once you allow intangibles in, even that distinction disappears. The dissent has a point, but I think the majority is correct as to the law and if people
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Forget gambling (Score:1)
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Gambling is gambling! (Score:2)
Regulated gambling now possibly illegal (Score:2)
One very interesting point by the dissenting judge is that if you accept the majority's broad interpretation of swaps, then not only are prediction markets swaps, but normal gambling is as well. Therefore all currently legal and regulated gambling is actually illegal because the CFTC has exclusive jurisdiction, not the states, and none of these gambling operations are following CFTC rules.
Tax it out of existence. (Score:2)
Ironic because it's New Jersey's Fault (Score:2)
Kalshi is only a thing because Draft Kings and Fan Duel have been so successful. Those two companies are as powerful as they are because New Jersey fought to strike down the federal law prohibiting the gambling on amateur sports in 2018 (Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Association).
Oh, how the wheel of 100% predictable consequences continues to turn...
it's gambling; duh (Score:2)
It's gambling, just like the stock market. More evidence why all gambling should simply be legal, in the so-called Land of the Free.
Gambling? Partially!! (Score:1)
The court is correct (Score:2)
Due to the Supremacy Clause, the Federal regulations override the State regulations. Once the CFTC stepped in and said "We are regulating this now", the states lost the ability to regulate.
The proper course is to challenge the CFTC regulation. Either in court, or via an act of Congress (yeah...) There is evidence that the CFTC action overstepped its statutory authority in granting a trading license to a market that allows the activities that these prediction markets allow. Make that argument in court.