Anthropic Loses Appeals Court Bid To Temporarily Block Pentagon Blacklisting (cnbc.com) 40
A federal appeals court denied Anthropic's bid to temporarily block the Pentagon's blacklisting, meaning the company remains shut out of Defense Department contracts while the case continues, even though a separate court has allowed other federal agencies to keep using Claude for now. CNBC reports: "In our view, the equitable balance here cuts in favor of the government," the appeals court said in its decision. "On one side is a relatively contained risk of financial harm to a single private company. On the other side is judicial management of how, and through whom, the Department of War secures vital AI technology during an active military conflict. For that reason, we deny Anthropic's motion for a stay pending review on the merits." With the split decisions by the two courts, Anthropic is excluded from DOD contracts but is able to continue working with other government agencies while litigation plays out. Defense contractors will be prohibited from using Claude in their work with the agency, but they can use it for other cases.
[...] In the ruling on Wednesday, the court acknowledged that Anthropic "will likely suffer some degree of irreparable harm absent a stay," but that the company's interests "seem primarily financial in nature." While the company claimed the DOD was standing in the way of its right to free speech, "Anthropic does not show that its speech has been chilled during the pendency of this litigation," the order said. Because of the harm Anthropic is likely to suffer, the appeals court said "substantial expedition is warranted."
An Anthropic spokesperson said in a statement after the ruling that the company is "grateful the court recognized these issues need to be resolved quickly" and that it's "confident the courts will ultimately agree that these supply chain designations were unlawful." "While this case was necessary to protect Anthropic, our customers, and our partners, our focus remains on working productively with the government to ensure all Americans benefit from safe, reliable AI," Anthropic said.
[...] In the ruling on Wednesday, the court acknowledged that Anthropic "will likely suffer some degree of irreparable harm absent a stay," but that the company's interests "seem primarily financial in nature." While the company claimed the DOD was standing in the way of its right to free speech, "Anthropic does not show that its speech has been chilled during the pendency of this litigation," the order said. Because of the harm Anthropic is likely to suffer, the appeals court said "substantial expedition is warranted."
An Anthropic spokesperson said in a statement after the ruling that the company is "grateful the court recognized these issues need to be resolved quickly" and that it's "confident the courts will ultimately agree that these supply chain designations were unlawful." "While this case was necessary to protect Anthropic, our customers, and our partners, our focus remains on working productively with the government to ensure all Americans benefit from safe, reliable AI," Anthropic said.
Financial in nature, no kidding? (Score:5, Informative)
In the ruling on Wednesday, the court acknowledged that Anthropic "will likely suffer some degree of irreparable harm absent a stay," but that the company's interests "seem primarily financial in nature."
Yeah, the company's interests are financial. That's what companies are for. The military's interests are also financial. People may think they're enlisting to serve their country, but they're really serving oligarchs. We have to blow up the middle east so we can rebuild it in our image — at great expense... and benefit to corporations like Halliburton who get awarded the no-bid contracts (sometimes literally, sometimes figuratively - I'm picking on Halliburton here not just because they deserve it in general, but because they were declared to be the only corporations capable of doing the job the last time around, short-circuiting the legally mandated bidding process.)
Re:Financial in nature, no kidding? (Score:5, Insightful)
All ACs are the same LLM as far as I'm concerned.
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Until you're starving. FTFY.
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Until you're starving. FTFY.
Modern leather isn't suitable for food, it's got too much plastic on it.
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You know, most ACs seem to be far dumber than the typical LLM. Which is quite an accomplishment.
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You know, most ACs seem to be far dumber than the typical LLM. Which is quite an accomplishment.
So they're just shitty LLMs
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You'd know, being a broken, mid-90s bot yourself.
Re: Financial in nature, no kidding? (Score:2)
Little bitch says what?
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Re: Financial in nature, no kidding? (Score:2)
Eventually you won't be able to buy RAM or GPUs, only rent them
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"Seem primarily financial in nature" is saying "money can cure any harm they suffer as a result of a stay not being granted." I tend to disagree with the court on this one because the current state of their industry means if you fall behind (which the reputational harm of "The DoD says we are a threat to national security" makes a real possibility) you're almost certainly going to be left behind. The hypothetical "we would have won the AI race and been a ten trillion dollar company" or whatever is a hypot
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In the ruling on Wednesday, the court acknowledged that Anthropic "will likely suffer some degree of irreparable harm absent a stay," but that the company's interests "seem primarily financial in nature."
Yeah, the company's interests are financial. That's what companies are for.
Actually, no. That just seems to be the primary motivation to create companies in the US. It is not the only reason and, for people that are not total greedy scum, it may not even be a goal besides financial viability. Profits a entirely optional and there strong evidence that running a company with a primary motivation of generating profits is detrimental for its survival. And society, incidentally. You have fallen for some thinly veiled religious fundamentalist propaganda.
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You have fallen for some thinly veiled religious fundamentalist propaganda.
Says the non-materialist. If their purpose wasn't profit they would have founded a co-op. Your worship of capitalism is a religious belief.
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The US is not an oligarchy, even if Bernie doesn't understand English too well. The US is a plutocracy. That's what he means, but for some reason heard about Russian oligarchs and didn't understand that the number was restricted to a few, which is what made them oligarchs and not some other kind of arch.
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The US is not an oligarchy
https://act.represent.us/sign/... [represent.us]
https://inequality.org/article... [inequality.org]
https://news.web.baylor.edu/ne... [baylor.edu]
even if Bernie doesn't understand English too well
Says the oligarch fellator.
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But the thing is, the reparations that the courts can give are financial.
Injunctions are usually granted in cases where non-financial losses are likely - where things can happen that the courts might not be able to reverse through a ruling. For example, sale of a car with sentimental value at auction. The courts will likely temporarily block the sale of the car because once the car is sold, there's nothing the court can do to make someone whole - the transaction will be extremely hard to reverse (especially
More Blatant Corruption (Score:5, Insightful)
Low information people don't see anything getting worse because for them nothing has changed; they were ignorant before and they are ignorant now it's 5000% worse, they can't see any difference in the 2% of information they ingest.
So much widespread corruption so frequent that not only can't the media report on it fast enough (even if they were fully and honestly doing their jobs) it's also so much that it is just like the big lie psychology from the Nazi era -- people can't believe it's possible to be so extreme. They can't be lying that much... so they can't be corrupting that much... but it's that and more. We're all being reduced to low information with this DoS on our society; and technology is at the heart of all the problems helping force multiply evil.
If this was a REAL national security threat like they claim in order to ban them so extremely, this would be a huge scandal because the company had it's hands all over government already. We know it's all BS and so do the judges and the burden should be on the crooks to prove their dishonest decisions. This reminds me of how Amazon cloud was kept out of government out of spite and MS was chosen when there was obviously no contest which service was superior (putting critical infrastructure on a cloud service being foolish is a whole other subject... don't give me that "but my bucket is encrypted", when you seriously shouldn't even put the system online at all.)
Re:More Blatant Corruption (Score:5, Informative)
So much widespread corruption so frequent that not only can't the media report on it fast enough (even if they were fully and honestly doing their jobs) it's also so much that it is just like the big lie psychology from the Nazi era -- people can't believe it's possible to be so extreme.
The real opposition is the media. And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit. -- Steve Bannon
Just saturate the news cycle, and any bad news will disappear in 24 hours. That has been Trump's strategy, going back at least to 2017.
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The real enemy of evil criminals is TRUTH and even a flawed media has some truth. This is why they are at war with media, science, education, academics, facts, etc.
Every mistake, every lie from not being 100% perfect just allows them cover for people wanting to believe their lies and even 100% perfect, the audience makes more mistakes and will judge from their flawed judgement to rationalize what they like. So you they just have to maintain some ridiculousness to trigger people's irrationality; like being
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The Big Lie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie) worked in the 3rd Reich (and many other places and continues to work) not because the Nazis were a lot better at using it. The Big Lie works because, generally, people are dumb and without insight. Present the average person with anything where disagreeing might incur a cost, and they will readily agree, regardless of what they agree to and regardless of how evil that makes their action.
Well, they can do something about it now (Score:1, Funny)
With their new Mythos model they can take Pentagon down, that's what I hear anyway. Maybe Pentagon needs to be taken down as well as the rest of the regime and all of the regimes.
hate to be the one to say it (Score:2, Insightful)
Come back to the table when the chance comes back around, which you know that it will.
Re:hate to be the one to say it (Score:4, Insightful)
Just cave to the DoD when you think you've been wronged by them? Don't go to the courts?
Stop and think about what you just wrote. And consider how un-American it is to just let the government have its way with you.
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Yep, this is ultimately a contract dispute. What is truly amazing is, the very same people who got all twisted when Citizen's United came out and "corporations are people too" are now on the side of big business. It's truly remarkable. Of course, those people fail to see the consumer protection
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What is truly amazing is, the very same people who got all twisted when Citizen's United came out and "corporations are people too" are now on the side of big business.
It's almost like there's nuance to every decision that can't be boiled down to a binary comparison. What's truly amazing is there are people out there that think you CAN do that, and think it's some sort of "gotcha" moment they can use to show how "their side" is the correct one.
Re:hate to be the one to say it (Score:4, Informative)
This. Not to mention that Beyond_GoodandEvil is comparing apples to oranges. Citizens United addressed a concern about corporations using their substantial financial resources to influence elections. Whereas Anthropic wants to defend their right to set the parameters of how their product is used -- specifically, no autonomous weapons and no domestic civilian surveillance.
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Hmm, good point, except I totally pointed this fact out in the later part of said comment(you apparently missed, so once more with feelin
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Slippery slope much? Consumers have dealt for decades with terms of service for licensed products that prohibit certain kinds of use. They haven't obliterated private property.
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... Whereas Anthropic wants to defend their right to set the parameters of how their product is used -- specifically, no autonomous weapons and no domestic civilian surveillance.
That's not what they are suing for. They don't want to agree to buyers terms, and walked away, thinking they could get tea and sympathy from the court.
Stop and think about what you just wrote. And consider how un-intelligent it is to just let the Anthropic have its way with you.
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No, stop again and think about the new thing you just wrote.
Anthropic insisted the DoD follow its terms of service. In response, the DoD blacklisted them and labeled them a "supply chain risk." That is what Anthropic is suing about.
Re: hate to be the one to say it (Score:2)
The military answers to the civilian government.
Dept. of War? (Score:5, Informative)
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Makes sense (Score:2)
-Yes, the DoD can choose not to use Anthropic as a vendor.
-No, the government cannot prevent others from doing business with Anthropic.
Two simple rulings following common sense -pending the results of the actual lawsuits (and the inevitable appeals).
"confident the courts will ultimately agree" (Score:2)