The End of 'Star Trek'? Every Single Series Now Cancelled (screenrant.com) 120
"Every single Star Trek series has been canceled..." reports ScreenRant. "There is "no Star Trek in production or greenlit for the first time in nearly a decade."
While there were five active Star Trek series just a few years ago, Star Trek: Strange New Worlds filmed its fifth and final season in the fall of 2025, and Star Trek: Starfleet Academy "wrapped filming its second and final season at the end of February." (Though ironically, both Star Trek series still have seasons yet to premiere, with two season of Strange New Worlds mean it may continue airing through 2027.) TrekCentral reports that the sets for Star Trek: Starfleet Academy are now being torn down... There will be a local online auction for parts of the set on Friday. Additionally, Star Trek: Strange New Worlds' sets are also being taken down... Star Trek: Starfleet Academy boasted the largest sets ever built for Star Trek. The demolition of Starfleet Academy's stunning sets includes the loss of the multi-level atrium, which had the Starfleet Wall of Heroes, the USS Athena's bridge, and the classrooms.
While there were five active Star Trek series just a few years ago, Star Trek: Strange New Worlds filmed its fifth and final season in the fall of 2025, and Star Trek: Starfleet Academy "wrapped filming its second and final season at the end of February." (Though ironically, both Star Trek series still have seasons yet to premiere, with two season of Strange New Worlds mean it may continue airing through 2027.) TrekCentral reports that the sets for Star Trek: Starfleet Academy are now being torn down... There will be a local online auction for parts of the set on Friday. Additionally, Star Trek: Strange New Worlds' sets are also being taken down... Star Trek: Starfleet Academy boasted the largest sets ever built for Star Trek. The demolition of Starfleet Academy's stunning sets includes the loss of the multi-level atrium, which had the Starfleet Wall of Heroes, the USS Athena's bridge, and the classrooms.
Just my opinion (Score:5, Insightful)
Star Trek went Disney long ago - churn out ill-considered concepts and scripts plastered with nostalgia designed to appeal to the fan base and zeitgeist and certified by a panel ensuring all the right boxes were checked off.
Strange New Worlds was a nice partial deviation from this - they still made sure to pander to all the current 'sensitivities', but if the writers of the show didn't love the original series and its fundamental qualities, I don't know who does.
The rest of it has been pablum. Academy sounded great until you read the synopsis. "Let's subvert tropes" followed by "Yeah, the academy is actually just another starship, and we'll give the kids superpowers". Their attempts to drop little Easter eggs for classic fans were just insulting - like having aliens show up with the writers obviously having zero idea that in the original series the whole point of their appearance was to watch them die in an unnecessary final act of self-imposed genocide.
Throwing Star Fleet uniforms and phasers into a setting doesn't make it good. Let it rest until they figure that out.
Re:Just my opinion (Score:5, Insightful)
I think it's the opposite... Star Trek tried to modernize and got rid of some of its strengths. Strange New Worlds returned to the classic formula and did well because of it. Shorter seasons, movie-budget episodes, and favoring season-long story arcs and abandoning individual episodic storytelling all caused problems. Strange New World did enough of a course correction by bringing back episodic storytelling to be good. It also strikes a good balance with original stories vs notalgis bait (we get a couple episodes, like the Lower Decks crossover and the Balance of Terror retelling, and they lean a lot into Pike knowing his own fate which we see in TOS,,, though that plot thread was started in Discovery).
I do think every modern Trek series has individual good moments but on a whole the abandoning episodic storytelling and shorter seasons (which feeds back into hurting episodic storytelling if you want an overarching story too), really hurt them I think.
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Strange New Worlds managed to give us a musical episode as well as one about an energy being that likes mucking about with people using its magic reality altering powers... and make those episodes not suck.
I liked the Nurse Chapel updates. I even liked the Spock stuff, though like any over-analytical fan I have notes. :)
I hope the writers of that show go on to other successes, because they executed exactly what the premise required while adapting it to a modern production.
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.... one about an energy being that likes mucking about with people using its magic reality altering powers...
I think a few TOS episodes fit that description, and TNG had a recurring character that fits that description. Seems like a normal day in the ST universe. :-)
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Star Trek was a sci-fi product of the 60s just like The Twilight Zone (give or take a few years). What made them great was 1) episodes were independent and 2) the writers were actual experienced sci-fi short story writers.
When you mess with 1) and 2) you lose the magic.Screen writers are not good at original storylines and series arcs are effectively putting all eggs in a single storyline basket. Either the audience likes it or they don't and the show dies.
Whereas when you have 1) you can afford to exp
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The new shows were different, but they captured the essence of Trek. Discovery was a bit of a shock to the system for many, but it is still a damn good show overall. SNW is even better, and Prodigy is fantastic. If you haven't seen Prodigy because it's a kids show, I can't recommend it enough. Season 2 in particular does more for one of the Voyager crew in a single episode that 7 seasons of that show ever did.
Academy is very good too, with a few issues here and there.
There were weak points. Picard had a few
Re: Just my opinion (Score:2)
Prodigy is great.
Lower Decks.....is fun. Perhaps too self-referential but it embraced it.
Discovery had its moments but could be a slog.
Picard couldn't decide what it wanted to be, and was way too eager to kill everyone.
Haven't tried Academy yet.
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Picard shit the bed from the beginning. From watching an old man survive a massive explosion, throwing in a trailer-dwelling drug addict and a Romulan ninja, through to wasting Seven and ending on a big Reset Button.
Oh, and "Main character is dying"? That's inconvenient... let's replace him with an android running a simulation of his brain and keep on going. Jesus, but that was dumb. I'd have called the show "Star Trek: Legacy" and moved on from Picard in season two... maybe passing the baton to Seven. Y
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The proper precedent for this already exists. You just have the main character wake up, and hear that someone is in the shower. They go into the bathroom and someone who died multiple seasons ago is taking a shower and it turns out the last few seasons were a dream.
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This was not a fault of the showrunner or the writers. Picard was hampered by Sir Patrick Stewart. His red line for the show is that it shouldn't be a TNG part 2 and must avoid TNG nostalgia or even bringing back more than a couple of characters.
He relented for the last season and let the writer
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This is revisionist to Star Trek ToS that "pander to all the current 'sensitivities'" under the eye of people today. It was very progressive at the time and dealt from long standing human issues like racism. It wouldn't be considered, in most circles, to be today, but that's a sign that many of us have progressed
"Good intentions" does not outweigh bad writing (Score:3)
This is revisionist to Star Trek ToS that "pander to all the current 'sensitivities'" under the eye of people today. It was very progressive at the time and dealt from long standing human issues like racism. It wouldn't be considered, in most circles, to be today, but that's a sign that many of us have progressed
The important distinctions were that the issues were handled with (1) greater class and intelligence and (2) audiences reacted more positively. "Good intentions" does not outweigh bad writing.
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You must be joking. Literally half white, half black aliens, who end up destroying their entire homeworld and most of their race, nd even then can't stop being racists? Not exactly subtle. Then you have Planet of the Literal Nazis, swastikas and all, because apparently some people in the 60s were still weighing up the pros and cons of the 3rd Reich.
It was controversial at the time. Roddenberry had to fight the studio for a lot of it. He couldn't get the to accept a woman as Number One, and the actors had to
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You must be joking. Literally half white, half black aliens, who end up destroying their entire homeworld and most of their race, nd even then can't stop being racists? Not exactly subtle.
Good thing I did not say subtle. I wrote " the issues were handled with greater class and intelligence."
I criticized bad writing, not bringing up social issues.
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They went with the sledgehammer option. I wouldn't call it class, or particularly intelligent given it was supposed to be obvious to racist morons.
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They went with the sledgehammer option. I wouldn't call it class, or particularly intelligent given it was supposed to be obvious to racist morons.
Actually the black/white face makeup was a classy and artistic way to make a point. Totally unlike how Academy went about things. Again, its about bad writing.
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So what about Academy was less classy than that blunt force trauma?
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There's a difference between being inclusive and pandering. TOS didn't pander. Well... maybe a bit. Roddenberry wasn't above it.
Still, there did seem to be a more genuine (though occasionally ham-fisted) attempt at inclusiveness. I doubt a focus group of the times would have given us the Star Trek we got.
The new stuff is often hollow. It's checking boxes. It's pandering. That works better in pop music than in science fiction.
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"Strange New Worlds was a nice partial deviation from this - they still made sure to pander to all the current 'sensitivities', but if the writers of the show didn't love the original series and its fundamental qualities, I don't know who does."
Have you even seen the original series? Racism, bigotry, classism, human rights, ethics, not to mention nationalism, were all dealt with. TNG went further, particularly with Riker's penchant for rather open sexual interests, and of course DS9 dealt with everything fr
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Easy enough. "Star Trek fans"
Plenty of them clamored online for "Starfleet Academy" as a series concept for years to get away from the "Ship goes to the planet of the week".
Re: Just my opinion (Score:2)
Re:Just my opinion (Score:5, Interesting)
Except that was already done, and done brilliantly by Deep Space Nine. In reality, the Star Fleet Academy idea had a very old lineage, to the smoking shambles that was Star Trek V, when the idea was posited of having a prequel with the TOS characters, or at least the main ones, portrayed by younger actors, during their Academy days. It was pretty quickly rejected because at the time they didn't think audiences would buy the idea of new actors playing Kirk, Spock and Bones.
Of course, in the end, that was effectively what the first part of the 2009 Star Trek, which, for me at least, proved that the guys who rejected the idea in 1989-90 were spot on. But other people like the Kelvinverse films, so to each their own.
The real problem isn't writing per se. There were no lack of justifiable complaints against Voyager and Enterprise. The real problem is that no one really knows where to take it. The whole 32nd century gambit is because no one really knows how to portray the technology of the intervening period. The Enterprise temporal war rubbish demonstrated just how incredibly problematic it can be for an established sci-fi franchise to push itself across a broad timeline when you start with ships that go multiples of the speed of light, create holodecks and replicators and have computers so intelligent they can create conscious beings, and that's just by the 24th century.
With James Bond they can just keep resetting the character over and over again, and updating the gadgets along the way. Star Trek, for all its faults, has established a sort of permanent 70s-ish technology vibe, and because it's more fantasy then science fiction, the controls for the super planet buster never have to change! That franchise fell on its sword more because of a lack of imagination, lazy writing and an obvious desire not to pay Extended Universe authors some royalties for a cache of rather interesting ideas, and ultimately having to go there anyways.
In all cases, I think the fan base is the worst enemy. No franchise like Star Trek is ever going to measure up to the mythology of the older series. TOS really has entered the realm of cultural myth, and TNG, though everyone forgets how much the first season was disliked (and on rewatch a few years ago, I have to say it feels like a wonder that it ever got a season 2), isn't far behind. Even DS9's critics have finally stopped talking, and for my money, it is the most consistently well-written and well-acted of all the Star Treks. But that kind of legacy is absolutely toxic, because if you try to be too different everyone screams "It isn't Star Trek", and if you try to be similar in tone, then everyone complains "We've seen it all before!"
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When Trek is good, it's not about the technology. It's about the characters, and the politics, and the morality of the future. So I don't see the 32nd century as a problem. The Burn was a good idea, even if some aspects of it were less than brilliant, because it gave an opportunity to rebuild and redeem the Federation, reset the galaxy to lots of strange new worlds, and give us a new spin on some familiar aliens. There was a lot to work with there.
Academy season 1 was pretty good. Not perfect, but some good
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"Plenty of people" has been leaked as 40,000 views per episode for Starfleet Academy. Kurzmann has treated Star Trek fans like they're the ones swallowing combadges.
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The same one that hollywood always seems to think exists, *EVERY SINGLE TIME* they make a series about "Teenagers, with Teenager problems, Dealing with a grownup's world" ?
You know, when they make the entire cast have the mindset of a 6 year old who never learned that they cant just eat candy, now with sex hormones, and a lack of oversight?
There seems to be some demographic in Hollywood that *really* wants that kind of show (or really wants that kind of show to be successful), since they keep trying this fo
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To put it bluntly, Hollywood is full of Epsteiners who dream of teenage ass. They don't care whether the show succeeds so long as they get what they want.
I just finished reading an SF novel set in a similar kind of space training academy and in the entire novel there were only two mentions of sex and one teen "should I date him or him?" romance without a lot of angst. Because they're actually training to explore the galaxy and they're more concerned about not being killed in their first day on the job than
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Oh, Absolutely. Young people in a series can very much be a very important asset to that series.
The trap, is wanting to shoehorn them into the "Idiot teenager" mold, or the "Executive Producer's Shameless Self Insert" mold.
Both of those are pure poison. People coming to terms with the realities that what they learned in school is not sufficient to cope with what they encounter in life, and that the relationships they forge with colleagues are essential to not only their futures, but their survival as well,
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To put it bluntly, Hollywood is full of Epsteiners who dream of teenage ass.
That's a good quote.
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Compared to the 90s and the Berman days... He had many of the actresses wearing wigs, and was always pestering them to be more sexy on screen. Then there is the whole Kes debacle, basically Berman's personal fantasy. Born sexy yesterday, devoted to her daddy figure boyfriend who is her guide and protector in the world.
Academy actually got "criticism" from some for not being sexy enough. What little sex appeal they did go for was mostly guys with their shirts off, or being twinks (if I got my nomenclature co
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Can you please explain what fan base that would that be in context of Starfleet Academy?
A younger generation of viewers who are interested in young adult fiction. If it is set in the Star Trek universe, then the hope would be these fans want to watch the other series as they get older. The problem was always making a series that is true to the core of Star Trek. I didn't watch an entire episode but clips; however, the many reviews I saw said it went off the rails as a Star Trek show especially for the characters.
The newer generation of shows seem to be written by people who seemingly have neve
Re:Just my opinion (Score:5, Insightful)
But the mistake that they seem to make repeatedly is thinking that the YA style has wide appeal with younger people. It doesn't - not when it is applied to existing franchises like this. The reception by (young) fans, and viewership figures, confirm that. Young people don't want everything to be YA, they want to be taken seriously and be served serious entertainment fare as well.
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Young people don't want everything to be YA, they want to be taken seriously and be served serious entertainment fare as well.
I agree. Sure, there was no shortage of YA material when I was a kid ... the Hardy Boys, John Christopher's Tripods books, the Chronicles of Narnia, and even The Hobbit come to mind. But I also liked The Lord of the Rings, Asimov, and plenty of other adult fiction besides. I didn't need Luke Skywalker to be a six-year-old to relate to him when I was six myself.
But the thing is, I bet it's just more "audiencing" by the studio execs. They want all movies to appeal to the broadest possible audience. And what d
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I agree. Sure, there was no shortage of YA material when I was a kid ... the Hardy Boys, John Christopher's Tripods books, the Chronicles of Narnia, and even The Hobbit come to mind.
I think by YA, they meant more like modern YA tropes. You know: focus mostly on romantic relationships, intersecting love triangles, rampant infidelity in said relationships, promiscuous violence between male characters, backstabbing between female characters, borderline or frankly, well past borderline abusive relationships painted as some great romance, and teenagers with maturity levels dialed down by 3 to 8 years. Basically, a soap opera with artificially de-matured characters (although, saying that may
The Message (Score:2)
At Least a Break is Badly Needed (Score:5, Interesting)
Back to Basics, Eventually (Score:3)
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I like that idea.
My take on it (why I didn't bother watching any of these): too many series, too obvious that they're building a big canon they can mine for all kinds of shit, too many humans in big-fucked-up-head makeup.
In an entirely different series universe, The Twilight Zone distinguished itself from The Outer Limits by declaring that it was "Not a monster show". A bunch of big-fucked-up-head make up doesn't substitute for story and characters. In fact, I think it can impede.
Yes, Star Trek TOS pilot ha
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>I'm hugely open to the idea that other life forms might not share our morphology. So why do they all look like humans with big fucked-up heads?
Two reasons: the more 'alien' your aliens, the more difficult it is for an audience to interpret them, and production costs.
The goal is to tell a story within a budget, so as Pat Tallman once said, "they sit you down in a chair and put a vagina on your face".
Re: Back to Basics, Eventually (Score:2)
Well TOS did the half-black half-white guys (one of whom was Frank Gorshin - the Riddler), and the green dancing girl (who just looked swarthy on my B&W tv) without blowing their heads way TF up.
The big head. It's excess. It's inflation. It's the same thing that for years made the big boss fight in every single cheap horror flick Satan. Really? Were there no other ideas? Where do you go for an encore?
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So why do they all look like humans with big fucked-up heads?
This was addressed in TNG: deliberate panspermia.
Re: Back to Basics, Eventually (Score:2)
Sounds like the work of Captain Kirk!
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Star Trek has never been hard sci-fi. Much of the bread and butter stuff is pure fiction, invented to keep TV budgets down. Warp drive and the transporters are hand-wavy at best, and subspace is entirely made up with no scientific basis at all.
In fact, one of the worst aspects of older Trek, something which plagued Voyager in particular, was pseudo-scientific technobabble. Far too often an interesting idea would be resolved by some nonsense, instead of in a way that is interesting for the characters.
Speakin
One thing... (Score:2)
One thing that really struck me about Academy was "Why are they introducing teen angst and bad soft porn?" It just struck me as formulaic and very, very tiresome.
Star Trek was always about possibilities and the future and hope. It was always about serious ideas and social problems. Delving into teen hormonal drama had nothing to do with that.
Holly Hunter was a delight, as was Paul Giamatti.
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Because it was a show written for young adults?
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Every time I see this argument made, I want to see the Neilson demography for the show.
I do NOT hear the young people we have at work talk about this show in a way that's good. They talk about the Orville (which is rarely), much more than they ever have about Academy.
Cheese fry mentality (Score:4, Insightful)
Right-wing nut jobs are taking over Paramount (Score:4, Insightful)
I haven't seen the very newest stuff but from what I understand they started to try and get away from the good old woke Star Trek plots a little and it went over about as well as you would expect. The ratings were pretty much shit and nobody's going to spend the money to make a science fiction show like that.
Honestly that's the problem. Sci-Fi is woke. You are looking towards the future and you're doing it for a mass market so nobody is going to want to sit through episode after episode of right-wing dystopia. And I don't think anyone believes in right wing Utopias because you always have to have an out group in any right-wing fiction and it's kind of hard to have a Utopia when you are explicitly excluding minorities of one kind or another.
Honestly as the Epstein class takes over media more and more it's just going to keep getting worse and worse. Go look up what Ben Shapiro's Media company is going to do and at this rate in 10 years that's what's going to be TV and streaming.
I do wonder what they're going to do when the ratings collapse but I don't think they really care about money anymore it's just about having control. Back in the '70s gay people took over TV not because the people writing were gay or woke or liberal or whatever but because TV had gotten so censored by the right wing that it was intensely boring. So ratings collapsed. They started putting gay people into sitcoms and other TV shows because it was controversial at the time and it got viewers back.
You kind of need progressive ideas to make media interesting because otherwise you're basically just looking back to a fake idealized past ala I'll leave it to Beaver.
Again though when the ratings collapse in the past they would have done something about that to bring viewers back but these days I think they might just let TV suck. Like how Twitter is losing money hand over fist because it's full of Nazis but muskrat doesn't care because it's more useful as a propaganda tool then as a profitable business.
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a fake idealized past ala I'll leave it to Beaver.
Don't you think you're being a little hard on the beaver?
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This is consistent with Ellison’s management of Oracle with overbearing bean counters finding everything to bill for or drop it (customers, products, features).
I’ve watched Star Trek for most of my life, and seen the mix of good to bad with Starfleet Academy growing in its first season to a promising second. I’ve already bought the Blu-ray of the season as I expect a purge after the purchase goes through.
TOS got four pilots, with major casting and character changes with support from Lucill
Re: Right-wing nut jobs are taking over Paramount (Score:2)
Clearly you've never seen or read any real sci fi if you believe any of that steaming crap you wrote. Star trek is space opera, its TV big mac. Dystopias are a huge part of the genre, go start with Orwell and work up from there, but if you cant read try these films for starters- Blade Runner, Logans Run, Silent Running.
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Why am I utterly not shocked that rsilvergun believes it failed because it didn't go woke enough?
The simpler explanation, that people were tired of having a parade of identity-characters shoved down their throat in lieu of actually-compelling plots, of course can't be the case?
Setting ENTIRELY aside the woke crap, starfleet academy was awful. 90210 in space storylines and writing were childish. TOS stories faced serious moral dilemma and yes, often solved them with a liberal, positive, idealistic outcome.
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But it was fundamentally apolitical and not partisan.
conservatives not having the media literacy of an 8 year old challenge: impossible
strap in kids, the cope from these people is going to reach levels unimaginable before as they realize they've crafted their own political self destruction.
we made it 26 years and they're already the biggest dupes of the century.
Re: Right-wing nut jobs are taking over Paramount (Score:2)
Your wokephobia is hilarious
Re: Right-wing nut jobs are taking over Paramount (Score:3)
Star trek is not fundamentally "left wing".
Doesn't it value collaboration over competition? If that's not a valid definition of left vs right, I'm not sure what is.
The End of 'Star Trek'? (Score:1)
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How about B5: Crusade?
What we learned from Star Trek Discovery (Score:4, Insightful)
Every major character that dies, comes back to life in one way or another.
Star Trek may be dead now, but eventually it will be too irresistible for Paramount, who will always see it as a cash cow.
I only hope they go back to Star Trek's roots and scrap the "alternate universe" which is basically a Marvel copycat. We fans always loved Star Trek because it was more than just action, there was substance there too.
Yeah, they fucked it up, royally (Score:2)
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Modern audience? (Score:1)
Maybe the modern audience does not have TVs and computers?
Because catering to the alleged modern audience sure seems to ruin shows and games every single time.
Originals were bad by modern standards (Score:2)
Its easy to forget how bad TOS was. Giant space amoebas. Race wards between people with black on the right or left side of their faces. Space Rome. Streaming series have gotten a lot better than in the days when the competition to Star Trek was Lost in Space and Gilligan's Island. Culture has also changed. TOS was extremely progressive...there was a (wait for it) black woman on the bridge. Now the writers are stuck between trying to keep the feeling of the original series which is ultra-reactionary by
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Let’s not forget space hippies!
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I'd argue TOS wasn't bad. By today's standards, sure, and there were some episodes where the writing failed to overcome the budget limitations, but it was adult science fiction taken seriously and often based on very good stories in days when that was uncommon.
It wasn't Lost in Space.
Success for the Critical Drinker (Score:1)
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Lol, right wingers need instructions on how to feel about something so they watch that channel.
Re: Success for the Critical Drinker (Score:1)
I feel especially glad about the fact he has so many millions of views across all his channels, not even counting the usual suspects joining his discussions who get even more views!
But the absolute cherry on top has got to be seeing you people raging and seething about his success, and how you only resort to desperate ad-hominem because you got absolutely nothing else left.
We are way, way past peak-woke, the pendulum is shifting.
You are not going to like the next couple of years and decade lol
Star Trek was designed to endure (Score:4, Interesting)
Star Trek was designed to endure. From the beginning, it was inclusive — not as a marketing strategy, but because that was the whole point of Roddenberry's future. Multiple races, interspecies politics, a Russian on the bridge during the Cold War, a Black woman as a senior officer in 1966. That wasn't "woke," it was the premise. So when people blame inclusivity for Trek's decline, I feel they're misdiagnosing the problem entirely.
What actually killed it is a lack of vision, poor writing, and management that treated the franchise like IP to be mined rather than a universe to be respected.
I'll admit — Academy grew on me. The characters developed, the acting was good, and when it hit the warfare arcs it found some real weight. But it needed more time to breathe, and it never fully escaped the teen drama gravity well that nobody asked for. I wanted to love it, because I love Star Trek and I'll always give it a chance. But wanting to love something and it earning that love are two different things. That's the frustrating part — you could see what it could have been if they'd trusted the material and given it room to develop.
The timeline fragmentation hasn't helped either. I know there are fans who embrace all the timelines, and more power to them — but for me, it's fractured any sense of a coherent universe. Kelvin timeline, Discovery's jump to the 32nd century, prequels contradicting established canon — at some point you can't even tell what's connected to what anymore. The TOSTNGDS9Voyager era had a coherent forward trajectory. You knew where you stood. That matters, because investment in a fictional universe requires continuity to mean something.
For those of us old enough to remember, there was a stretch after TOS ended and before TMP where there was no active Trek at all. It survived. It came back. But it came back because people with genuine passion and understanding picked it up. That's what it needs again — not more content, but better stewardship.
I honestly don't know what Gene Roddenberry would say about any of this. But I suspect he'd recognize the difference between a show that has something to say and one that's just wearing the uniform.
I don't think (Score:2)
I don't think Star Trek makes sense any more. It was a show about tech optimism, whereas it's now clear that technology is now more harmful than good. It's not even an envisioning of a better future. It's a portrayal of an impossible future. So I think it's run its course.
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You may be right. Bring back Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.
I liked the movies... (Score:2)
But I did not like the TV shows. The Klingon Reboot alone was terrible. A starship powered with mushrooms? What? The spinning ship going into warp? Also silly. There were some bright lights and potential, but I lost interest. I know a lot of people loved Academy, but I made it maybe halfway into the first episode and realized I wasn't even watching it. And then there's Section 31.....
Prognosis (Score:4, Funny)
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Did it die from jumping the shark?
(The joke I was expecting. Not following any of the series so I don't know about any shark jumping that may have occurred. Long ago I was turned into a newt/trekkie, but I got better.)
Maybe a good thing? (Score:2)
It had a good run, (Score:2)
Let it go.
Move on. Do something else. Perhaps in a decade or so, someone will make another new star trek that is worth the effort. Next gen was a good example of doing this, long after TOS had ended. Mostly, the newer treks have just been follow-on attempts to cash in.
There's other IP that could be developed (Score:3)
Bring back The Orville please Seth. (Score:2)
The kids had had enough (Score:2)
After a while, it became stupid.
Fantastic (Score:2)
I finally have a solid reason to drop another streaming subscription. I was already considering dropping Paramount between seasons anyway.
Re: Fantastic (Score:1)
I'm really, really glad to hear that (Score:2)
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Hear hear. Some of my favorite episodes are those that present a moral quandary that at first seems obvious, but then end up with an ambiguous resolution that leaves you thinking. It makes me suspect that those who state that Star Trek has always been "pushing social boundaries" weren't really paying attention. I never got the impression that the show had a political agenda beyond showing what would happen if we put our differences aside and worked together for once. Can't we all just get along? (The answer
Discipline (Score:1)
It was always woke (Score:2)
I was hoing for a grand finale exit (Score:2)
You know, like a battle Royale: young Academy grads battling network gobbling Kardashians
Go woke, go broke. (Score:2)
I'm not that much of a Trekkie, not at all to be precise, but given what I've heard of the new Star Trek Academy show it appears to be so shitty that even non-Trekkies like me feel the pain. From what I've heard and seen it's a complete disaster of a production, barely even at high school film project level in acting and writing, topped up with woke agendas and other trash. On top of that it costed obscene amounts of money from what I heard.
What a bizarre event effing up a golden goose like that.
Staarfleet (Score:2)
Starfleet is relly just too bad. Maybe it is time to start with en entire new space franchise.
Volker and Gesa Engel for intance are working on a new space series for Bavaria [www.dwdl.de].
Re:Get Woke (Score:5, Insightful)
That's a silly right-wing red-piller idea.
There's nothing wrong with, you know, not marginalizing groups of people.
Now, throwing bones to the perceived 'woke' crowd based on a checklist... that's going to fail. You can have LGBTQ+ characters so long as that's not why they're on the show (unless your show is specifically about members of those groups). When the character description starts and stops with "non-binary gendered", that is a reliable indicator that the show will be garbage.
It's also the exact opposite of what happened (Score:3, Informative)
Nobody wants to see 2000s style anti-terrorism propaganda in their sci-fi. If you're watching Syfy it's because you want to see a world past all that bullshit. I can watch it dystopia for a movie maybe get through a book like that but I'm not sitting through multiple seasons of dystopia. And worse I'm not going to pretend th
Re: It's also the exact opposite of what happened (Score:2)
Re:It's also the exact opposite of what happened (Score:4, Interesting)
That's the drama majors.
Here's the thing-- The actual startrek universe is *generally peaceful*. (or rather, was meant to be.)
This is bad for dramatists. There is no conflict, thus no climax. Big bad terrorists? Pure candy for a dramatist. "We have been at peace with our neighbors for 200 years, and have a large interstellar, free-moving society of excess" however? That's really hard for them to work with, which is why you get stuff like Troi+Worf, because they are desperate for some source of friction.
The notion that *THE MESSAGE* of the show is that *WE CAN IN FACT HAVE SUCH A SOCIETY, IF WE TRY*, is wasted on the dramatists. They dont care about such messages, That's why they want to rip that idea down, and replace it with blackjack and hookers. Sometimes literally.
The worst part, is that this kind of 'candy drama' does in fact appeal to the target audience you mention.
The reason startrek is dead, is a combination of:
1) We suck at doing narrative drama that isn't pure sex, explosions, and badguys.
2) At least half (statistically) of the US public audience wants candy drama made of pure sex, explosions, sad cliche's and paper-thin badguys.
3) People dont value the idea of presenting a peaceful and productive future that has its shit together, filled with competent people that aren't assholes, and so dont push for better.
Throw in hollywood having some kind of weird fetish for teenagers trying to 'run things' on top, and you have the whole ensemble.
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That's why right wing science fiction never works in the long run. Sci-fi is about the future and making it better. And the right wing doesn't believe that better things can happen. Whatever they have in their life right now is as good as it gets. It's a really depressing world view
Possible case in point: _Cosmic Sin_. Maybe not the worst science fiction movie of all time, but definitely one of the top contenders. Of course, one of the problems with that movie is that it's just so awful in almost every way that most people criticizing it never even get as far as the actual core philosophy of the movie. That core philosophy being: genocide is good, and if we ever encounter any alien intelligence our immediate response must be to wipe them all out without exception because that is guara
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As a left-winger who dabbles in consuming some right-wing content, most of the objections I hear to the messages against marginalization are not due to them being in favor of marginalization. Instead, the objections regard the way the messages are being delivered. And as someone who grew up in the 80s and 90s, I can kind of understand why they feel that way. In those times, messages against marginalization were framed as "we're a f
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One thing that seems to get forgotten about TOS - it bombed, and got canceled after only 3 ratings challenged seasons. It only redeemed itself in syndication.
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Which is why he was able to just round up the Woke and send them to gulags.
Communists always round up the Woke and send them to gulags because they're just useful idiots used to undermine the society the communists took over.
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The Soviet Union announced that they were making a strategic retreat from communism in 1921, before Stalin's rise to power. Arguing that they were ever actually communist or even truly aspiring to communism is tricky. The reality is that Stalin's government leaned left wing in certain ways in the economic sphere, but was definitely hard right socially. Even in economics, if they were trying to be left wing, they sort of missed the point. Realistically, Stalin's system was more like feudalism than anything e
Re:Get Woke (Score:4, Insightful)
Guess you never watched Kirk doing the first interracial kiss on television.
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Re:Get Woke (Score:4, Insightful)
Go Broke.
Star Trek was "Woke" since it's inception (literally the entire series is one big example of an ideal fully woke world), and the franchise has a lifetime revenue value int the double digit billions of dollars.
This is very much a case of "Go Woke - Get FUCKING RICH AND FAMOUS!"
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You’d be complaining today if a white person and a black person kissed on the show.