Chinese Exports of Green Technologies Surged to Record Levels After Iran War Began (cnn.com) 149
"The war in Iran has sent oil-starved countries scrambling for fuel," CNN reported this week. And many of those countries now want renewable fuels, the article points out, "leaving them turning to the renewables king of the planet: China."
Chinese exports of solar technology, batteries and electric vehicles all reached record highs in March, according to energy think tank Ember, a sign that the historic oil supply shock is accelerating the adoption of clean energy around the world... A Thursday report from Ember said China exported 68 gigawatts of solar technology in March, surpassing the previous record set in August by 50%. Fifty countries set new records for Chinese solar imports, with the most significant growth coming from emerging markets in Asia and Africa hit hardest by the energy crisis, according to the think tank. "Fossil shocks are boosting the solar surge," said Euan Graham, senior analyst at Ember, in the report. "Solar has already become the engine of the global economy, and now the current fossil fuel price shocks are taking it up a gear."
Ember said exports of solar, batteries and EVs in total rose 70% in March year over year, according to Chinese customs data... China's battery exports reached $10 billion in March, with particularly high growth rates in the European Union, Australia and India, Ember said. Uncertainty over when the Strait of Hormuz will reopen has spurred deeper regional anxieties about energy securi"ty, helping to hasten the transition to clean energy, analysts said.
The article notes how different countries are reacting to fuel
Ember said exports of solar, batteries and EVs in total rose 70% in March year over year, according to Chinese customs data... China's battery exports reached $10 billion in March, with particularly high growth rates in the European Union, Australia and India, Ember said. Uncertainty over when the Strait of Hormuz will reopen has spurred deeper regional anxieties about energy securi"ty, helping to hasten the transition to clean energy, analysts said.
The article notes how different countries are reacting to fuel
- Asian nations that depend on the Middle East for energy imports "are trying to mitigate fuel shortages by encouraging energy conservation and shortening work hours."
- The UK's Energy Secretary said this week that the country needed to reduce its reliance on gas for electricity. "As we face the second fossil fuel shock in less than 5 years, the lesson for our country is clear: The era of fossil fuel security is over, and the era of clean energy security must come of age."
- Pakistan "has been spared some of the impact from the war, since it began drastically importing cheap Chinese solar panels a few years ago. Using solar energy rather than costly oil imports is estimated to save the country billions of dollars each year."
- "According to the China Passenger Car Association, Chinese exports of electric vehicles and hybrids hit a record high in March, increasing 140% compared with the same period a year ago."
Thanks to Slashdot reader AleRunner for sharing the article.
The new CATL batteries are wild (Score:5, Informative)
We are reaching the frontier where EV can be charged in the amount of time it takes to fill up your gas tank. This was always the bottleneck for a lot of people; time to charge and total distance on a charge. The next few years are going to be very interesting. https://www.techradar.com/vehi... [techradar.com]
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Huawei has great massive scale power systems.
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I can say that the obsession with charge time is ridiculous unless you are a long haul trucker. My cars charge overnight, every night. I have a Tesla wall charger on every parking space in my garage
Most car owners don't have such things.
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Actually *most* car owners do have such things, especially in America. But the fascination with charging overnight every night is equally dumb. I plug my car in once a week in the street, and once a week in either at work or at the sports centre depending on the level of charge.
While that kind of infrastructure is a dirty word in the USA there are still an insane number of people in the world who have access to it and still masturbate over fast-charge times on EVs (in reality looking for an excuse not to ta
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The only way I might have been able to afford an EV is with a Chinese one, but my government won't let me have that. I don't have a place to charge right now so I can't use the kind of EV I can otherwise afford, i.e. a compliance car. e.g. a used 1st gen Leaf literally won't get me to work and back.
I just wish facts weren't dirty around here, we could use some more of them. I'm pretty tired of the automakers shitting everything up.
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Oh, were you the guy? It definitely snows here, and we run cords across the sidewalks, no problem.
Re:The new CATL batteries are wild (Score:5, Informative)
I hear that the infrastructure in the US is very bad, but then I see videos showing people using it for very long distance trips (driving in shifts) without issue.
Personally I just drive until the battery shows 20% and then pull into the next service area and use their chargers. Only happens a few times a year and doesn't cost me any time because I'd stop for coffee and a snack anyway. Even a relatively modest (by modern standards) charge speed of 140kW is enough to refill the battery by the time I am done.
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I hear that the infrastructure in the US is very bad, but then I see videos showing people using it for very long distance trips (driving in shifts) without issue.
Personally I just drive until the battery shows 20% and then pull into the next service area and use their chargers. Only happens a few times a year and doesn't cost me any time because I'd stop for coffee and a snack anyway. Even a relatively modest (by modern standards) charge speed of 140kW is enough to refill the battery by the time I am done.
Yup - It is just standard anti-US screed on Slashdot. Taking the people here who don't like EV's and trying to make that the entire population. It's a form of insecurity on their part.
For all the USA as a third world country concept championed by a lot of loudmouths in here, if you look in my area in PA - supposedly part of the impoverished Appalachians, you can see many wind turbines along the Allegheny escarpment, happily providing electricity. We have large solar arrays providing end of line substatio
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Renewables are a threat to not just the people who got rich off oil, but to the American way of life. If the natural monopolies on energy production are broken because now anyone can make their own energy at much lower cost, well that's communism.
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If the natural monopolies on energy production are broken because now anyone can make their own energy at much lower cost, well that's communism.
:)
Anarchism, surely.
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Anarchy is reserved for billionaires.
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Renewables are a threat to not just the people who got rich off oil, but to the American way of life. If the natural monopolies on energy production are broken because now anyone can make their own energy at much lower cost, well that's communism.
The proletariat should have been completely independent of government in the vaunted communist countries.
Technology replaces technology, and it is a non sequitur to claim independence based on technology is somehow communism.
Indeed, it is the polar opposite of one of the linchpins of communism, the command economy, where all decisions are out of the hands of the proletariat.
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Yeah, and even if the policy changed tomorrow, you can't easily rebuild cities...
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And plus one ought to be stopping because not doing so increases the risk of a crash.
The number of posters here engaged in last minute, unplanned cannonball runs, hailing cargo with a reserve driver to swap with, while also possessing a bladder of steel never creases to amaze me.
I don't have a car, electric or otherwise, but when I hire a van (diesel) my driving style would definitely fit with charging because I also stop for food and drink and a wee when when I am splitting the driving.
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Yes it is, because what they are really saying is "screw the planet, screw your lungs, I need to save a few minutes!"
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Days? You mean minutes.
You have two choices. Set off 15 minutes earlier, or buy one of those cars that charges in 5 minutes. Hopefully your government didn't ban them.
Sorry, I'm not sacrificing my health so you can save a small amount of time.
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Hey I wish there weren't deadlines to get places
Roadtrips have no deadlines what so ever, they only have poor planning. You're not going to stop by the supercharger on the way to the birth of your child. You're just reckless, impatient, and I think the sooner you are off the road the better it would be for society.
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And yes I am a poor planner. That's what I have been saying. Nor is that a particular skill I want to work on. Great for you if you can plan around it. I just don't see why I should buy an expensive product that will force me into doing it. Plot me a route across Canada usin
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How does a person with an EV have a pregnant wife. What if you just plugged it in and she goes into labour?
True that! This happens to me every other week, so I clearly need to plan my big budget purchase to account for this scenario.
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Yet other people don't want to stop. So the answer, as usual, is "screw them".
Yes screw them. Screw anyone who doesn't take regular breaks on long road trips presenting a major risk to the lives of themselves and others on the road. We all know you have no respect for your own life, I just feel sorry for the people around you your stupidity may injure or worse.
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So much this. I am amazed at the number of people who insist it is their right to drive six, seven, eight hours without a break and then have the gall to complain about *other people* forcing choices on them. Who wants to share the road with an impatient, fatigued idiot who thinks they are somehow immune from basic physiology and that their hazard perception-response time, uniquely among humans, hasn't got dangerously poor after four hours of continuous driving?
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Yet other people don't want to stop.
Without nuclear powered cars, everyone has to stop if the trip length is long enough. Sure, it might be a bit longer between stops for a typical ICE vs a typical current generation EV, but everyone has to stop.
So the answer, as usual, is "screw them".
I am not sure anyone was saying that was the answer. Who said that?
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I sadly drive 200-250 miles a day almost every weekend in the summer. For a town car Iâ(TM)m happy with electric. For my trip car i need no worries if middle of nowhere has a charger.
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My car has a summer range of 330 miles, and it ain't all that. It's just a Mercedes EQA, bought in 2024. How in the world would that not be enough for 200 to 250 miles of driving? Are you choosing some route where there's no charger at the start, none on the way, and none at the destination?
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Everything you said is perfectly valid except for one thing. It's a Tesla.
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This was always the bottleneck for a lot of people
Because people can't separate the concept of a gas station with a vehicle. This has been a bottleneck for people who will eventually find themselves in a situation where they don't actually ever fast charge their vehicle.
I was guilty of this. I thought EVs needed to charge in 10minutes. Then I got one, and I can count on one hand the number of times I've charged my EV at more than 40kW (the charger in my street and at work) in the past 2 years. I feel a bit silly for thinking that fast charging was an important metric, so do does everyone I know who got an EV.
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This was always the bottleneck for a lot of people
Because people can't separate the concept of a gas station with a vehicle. This has been a bottleneck for people who will eventually find themselves in a situation where they don't actually ever fast charge their vehicle.
I was guilty of this. I thought EVs needed to charge in 10minutes. Then I got one, and I can count on one hand the number of times I've charged my EV at more than 40kW (the charger in my street and at work) in the past 2 years. I feel a bit silly for thinking that fast charging was an important metric, so do does everyone I know who got an EV.
Well put. It is just a different approach. One that uses consistent topping off rather than drive until it's at the equivalent of when the petrofueled car gas light turning on, then looking for a station. Maybe you charge at night, maybe in the parking lot at work, occasionally at a convenience store.
What I have found hilarious is the people who try to argue their edge cases as a reason that EV's shouldn't exist. It isn't like there are no other solutions. Hybrid, gasoline, that yummy 6 plus dollars a ga
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I can't charge at home. It's just not possible. Living in an apartment where my car is no where near my unit and not in the best part of town means no EV charging at home. I suppose I should just become richer so I can buy a house.
I'm working on saving my money up for a down payment and also waiting for a correction. I actually have my down payment but the homes are still well beyond my price range (southern California housing isn't for working class).
So I'll keep driving my 7 year old, 83k miles so far, pa
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BYD has also got wild new batteries, and let's not forget that CATL also has production scale sodium both for EVs and for BESS now. The future is hurtling towards us!
Making China Great Again. (Score:5, Insightful)
The very substance of any trumpistani policy so far.
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The very substance of any trumpistani policy so far.
It's all the "winning". Too much really. All very tiring. /s
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Did you see the twit of the twat?
https://x.com/WhiteHouse/statu... [x.com]
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Just like all those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that mysteriously evaporated after we invaded.
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After the Cold War, I am convinced if we want no more girl schools blown to bits, every country should have nuclear weapons.
Is every country rational enough to never actually use them, and also technically and organizationally competent to keep them out of the hands of private groups (e.g. Al-Qaeda) who would steal them and use them for them own purposes?
If not, then the MAD doctrine won't work there. It's either principled leadership by the major powers, or nothing.
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I think the countries that have the nukes are operating under the "Might makes right" concept that has pretty much been the standard operating procedure for all of recorded history.
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Why do you MAGAts always lie?
No, "they" did not find chemical or other wmds.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/s... [pbs.org]
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Probably because I was a teenager when I heard that and a lot of adults were nodding along, including our congressional leaders. It was such a convincing lie that Bush even got congressional authorization to go to war, something Clinton, Obama and Trump haven't bothered with.
Thank you for the link as I really was under the impression precursors to create chemical weapons were found and that link also mentions the unlikeliness that these were moved to Syria prior to the war, though that can't be ruled out.
St
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Sadly, only in the imagination of the dumbest MAGAts.
Closet Environmentalist? (Score:5, Interesting)
Unfortunately, it doesn't appear the the US is going to be the beneficiary of this plan. As the rest of the world moves toward clean, cheap energy, the US is going to be left behind. Making gas powered cars that no one else in the world wants and generating power from fossil fuels.
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Indeed. Although it is a bit complicated to start with raping a bunch of underage girls, being in need of a distraction from that when the law finally catches up with him, choosing to attack Iran (that was expecting this move for 40 years), which then causes an oil shortage. The guy must really be the greatest genius ever!
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We will never truly know how many dimensions the Chess game has.
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Quite fitting. One of the reasons the Dumb cannot stand comedians, cartoonists, etc..
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They should of had sharpies instead.
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I first heard about chess I was in junior school, so probably 7 or 8. There was a chess set in the games box and one of the kids knew how to play. That particular game involved lining up all the pieces then you take turns to flick your pieces at the opponent. The one left with pieces standing was the winner of course.
I think that fits quite well here.
I did subsequently learn but never got especially good (solid minor player).
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Unfortunately, it doesn't appear the the US is going to be the beneficiary of this plan. As the rest of the world moves toward clean, cheap energy, the US is going to be left behind.
You aren't thinking far enough ahead. In addition to pushing the rest of the world to abandon fossil fuels, he's also pushing Americans to blame Republicans for high energy prices and an expensive war no one wanted, so they'll vote Democrats back into office and they can reinstate pro-environment policies. It's all part of the plan!
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You know he's not pro-second amendment either. He's really not a good Republican.
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From what I'm seeing, the US pirates are the ones blockading the shipping traffic.
US is blocking traffic to and from Iran. Iran is blocking most of the traffic through the straight of Hormuz.
From what you are seeing, it seems you only see the half of things you like.
Open your other eye.
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We're thinking of doing it as a joint venture. It's a way of securing it — also securing it from lots of other people
-- Donald Trump, in regards to the US enforcing a toll on ships passing through the Strait of Hormuz.
Re:Closet Environmentalist? (Score:4, Informative)
Ryan Grim has made the argument Trump has done more to advance a leftist agenda than the democrats (yes yes yes, Republican lite) in the past few decades.
Trump will be a complex historical figure in that his monumental failures have changed the stagnation that defined the start of the 21st century, maybe for the better.
Of course he will still try to take credit for it as some pan-dimensional chess he was doing all along.
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The argument is interesting, but I don't find it compelling. We understand that technological progress often stems from conflicts and other dramatic situations; but we don't celebrate the evil-doers at their origin. Think of WWII, we don't credit Hitler for advancing the Jew agenda by kickstarting Israel, or for starting a half-century "for the better" because of various technological advances obtained during and soon after WWII.
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Knowing the theory behind a new technology is all well and good, but more important is what you do with it and how you develop it. As an example, in late 1944, the IJN had shipboard radar on most, if not all of its capital ships and some of its smaller ones. This could show an enemy fleet as separate squadrons, but couldn't resolve those squadrons into individual ships and they were
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The war is forcing the energy independence issue and having local solar is definitely more secure then having to import oil. It's pretty simple really. Did Trump intend this? Highly doubtful but it's an unintended consequence.
At the end of the day, it's the silver lining that will matter the most.
Hence, Trump is by accident pushing Democrat agendas. The IRA money is another thing no previous Republican would have done and Trump's also babbled about gun control. That people think he is really a Republican is
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It was Netanyahu forcing Trump to join in by starting the war unilaterally, to protect his own arse in up-coming elections. If he loses, he risks prosecution. The land-grab in Lebanon is part of it too. Some more opportunities for state sponsored terrorism are always sure to boost his poll numbers.
Trump is use a useful idiot who allowed himself to be manoeuvred into a position where American had to join in once Israel started the attacks.
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the trump crime family is profiting nicely from their iranian entanglements.
those mysterious trades around every trump statement on the war, do you really think they are random?
then there are the Saudi payouts to inavnka's cuckold, kushner.
etc etc.
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It was Netanyahu forcing Trump to join in by starting the war unilaterally
The only country you can force to join a war by starting one yourself is the country you attacked. Make no mistake, Trump's actions are 100% Trump's actions. His had wasn't forced in the slightest, and in fact a significant portion of voters would fully support leaving Israel to their own devices.
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Trump's actions are 100% Trump's actions. His had wasn't forced in the slightest
Trump's actions are 100% Trump's responsibility ("the buck stops here" is still part of the Presidential employment contract, even if Trump doesn't think so).
OTOH, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Netanyahu played hardball to "encourage" Trump to help. It's one of the downsides of having a "colorful" sex life in your youth and then gaining political power later on -- too many people have solid evidence of your transgressions, and now motivation to use them to influence your decision-making.
So when Netany
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Trump is use a useful idiot who allowed himself to be manoeuvred into a position where American had to join in once Israel started the attacks.
yes and no. israel's and us' agendas conflict but also overlap. don't buy the whole "the tail wags the dog" and "netanyahu is the root of all evil" narrative, that's just another distraction. both netanyahu and trump are tools in the hands of the western financial cartel and this actually extends to us and israel themselves, and everything inside and inbetween. if they're tools that means that once used they can be expended, rebuilt or repurposed and the loss is already factored in. for the greater good, mo
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I blame the Christians for all of that mess. If the Jews don't hold the holy land, then Jesus can't come back. Due back any day now...
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The UAE loves it so much, they left OPEC.
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You might have been on to something before you started claiming that Germany will be at war with Russia by 2030. That doesn't seem likely.
Germany going to war? (Score:2)
Europe is LOST: War Preparations on Every Level: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] Anyone from Germany care to comment on the situation?
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that's a date floated around in speeches and memos. yes, it seems way to soon, and it's probably wishful thinking.
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China has been cutting its dependence of oil - it's why they're heavily subsidizing electric vehicles and battery research.
China's one of Iran's biggest customers - yet China is far from having an oil crisis despite disruptions in deliveries since the war began at the end of February. Their heavy investment in renewables basically is making them much more energy independent.
And countries are noticing - oil is limited to a few lucky areas of the world. But sunlight and wind are everywhere. You can rely on IC
The half full glass (Score:3)
If anything, Trump involuntarily proved how fragile and unreliable the global oil trade is in a post-globalization world.
He might have saved us all from climate change, someone give him a sold gold prize of sorts. You can make one up, it's fine.
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Or nuclear. Even France does not run on nuclear alone.
But it's practical to achieve 98.8% [reneweconomy.com.au] on renewables alone. Nuclear can help to fill the remaining 1.2%.
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Fair enough!
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"If it were that simple to run a grid on 90+% renewable energy then I would expect some nation would have made it work by now. "
Norway, Iceland, Paraguay, Costa Rica, Albania, Ethiopia, and Bhutan all do exactly this, you numpty.
As for the idea that more renewables means more blackouts, I think you'll find that the US suffers a shit ton more blackouts than European countries that have pushed hard on renewables. Here in the UK, I have *never* experienced a blackout or brownout. And UK electricity pricing for
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Norway is particularly fortunate to have access to a lot of Hydro while also having plenty of oil to sell to the rest of us. Pretty awesome situation for a small nation of only 10 million people. China and USA have cities with more people.
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If it were that simple to run a grid on 90+% renewable energy then I would expect some nation would have made it work by now.
Some have, of course (Norway, Costa Rica, Albania, Bhutan, Nepal, Paraguay, Iceland, Ethiopia, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo) but I will grant that those are mostly special cases with abundant sources of hydro and/or geothermal and/or wind.
Austria has managed to reach the 90%+ mark also, but I am not sure if it is consistent. Then there are countries like Brazil, Denmark, Sweden, Portugal, and New Zealand that are nearly at the 90%+ mark and increasing. Chile, Canada, Spain, Germany, and the Neth
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My understanding of it has more to do with the regulator screwing up. Aside from making serious miscalculations, they apparently failed to make use of available renewable power. In any case, there were a number of causes, but yeah, MacMann's take is cuckoo. If anything, when it comes to renewables, their problem was more under-reliance on renewables than over-reliance. Ultimately, it was a cascade type failure where issues on the grid kept causing producers to drop off the grid, making the overall problem w
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The Levant has fantastic insolation and lots of wind, and Spain is already at the point of having negative electricity pricing for much of its summer thanks to the solar it's already deployed
Depressing how the rw drive discussion off-topic (Score:2)
I came here hoping for just a little bit of interesting discussion about aspects of the actual story. There are so many! Here's just a few:
1. The impact on low income countries from rapid growth in solar, with literally tens of millions of people likely to gain some energy security this year from the increased export of solar
2. 36 of the 68GW of solar exports were cells and wafers vs complete panels, showing that other regions are ramping up manufacturing capacity
3. That 68GW is more than Spain's entire dep
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A barrel of oil is about 6 GJ and the normal flow through the strait of Hormuz is about 20 million barrels a day, so that's 6 x 10^9 * 20 * 10 ^ 6 = 120 * 10 ^ 15 J / day.
Divide by 8.64 * 10^4 to get J / s (Watts) and 10^9 to get GW and, if I didn't drop any zeros anywhere, you get 1389 GW.
Solar panels don't typically produce their full capacity continuously, oil isn't typically used entirely for energy production
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... seeing people root for the actual murderous theocrats. (Note for the slow - that would be Iran's mullahs.)
Found the bot!
For reference, Mr. Bot, your fallacy is False Dichotomy [dictionary.com]. Pointing out the stupidity in an ill-thought-out war does not imply agreeing or "rooting for" the Iranian regime.
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Much more significantly than that: the Iranian regime has now tested their ability to close the Straits in hostilities and exert asymmetric leverage, and found that they can do this very effectively. They -- unlike the MAGA regime -- are bright enough to see that being able to inflict an oil supply shock is a very powerful lever.
If you had to guess which regime was going to collapse as a result of this incompetently executed adventure, it's pretty clear that the MAGAts are in a shit load more trouble than t
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Hegseth might have been stupid enough to believe that you just needed to be more masculine about it and magically turn 'will' into
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Yes to all of that. There are institutional reasons why it's hard for militaries not in an existential war to develop or even simply deploy the kind of drone tech that the Ukrainians have been developing, but that's no excuse for US leaders not to have recognised that fast boats, mines and drones were not going to be stopped from firing on commercial shipping without new capabilities. But then, US leaders are idiots
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It's only weird to you because you are wildly misleading the situation because you can only think about things in terms of "good guys" and "bad guys".
No one's rooting for the mullahs.
The mullahs being murderous shitbags doesn't make war crimes ok. And given so far all trump managed was replacing one mullah with his son while killing Iranians, the only thing he actually achieved was killing innocent Iranians and that's also not any good.
Oh also fucking things for his allies, but that cloud his a silver linin