Smuggled Starlink Terminals are Beating Iran's Internet Blackout (bbc.com) 130
An anonymous reader shared this report from the BBC:
"If even one extra person is able to access the internet, I think it's successful and it's worth it," says Sahand. The Iranian man is visibly anxious, speaking to the BBC outside Iran, as he carefully explains how he is part of a clandestine network smuggling satellite internet technology — which is illegal in Iran — into the country. Sahand, whose name we have changed, fears for family members and other contacts inside the country. "If I was identified by the Iranian regime, they might make those I'm in touch with in Iran pay the price," he says.
For more than two months, Iran has been in digital darkness as the government maintains one of the longest-running national internet shutdowns ever recorded worldwide... Sahand says he has sent a dozen [Starlink terminals] to Iran since January and "we are actively looking for other ways to smuggle in more". The human rights organisation Witness estimated in January that there are at least 50,000 Starlink terminals in Iran. Activists say the number is likely to have risen...
Last year, the Iranian government passed legislation that made using, buying or selling Starlink devices punishable by up to two years in prison. The jail term for distributing or importing more than 10 devices can be up to 10 years. State-affiliated media has reported multiple cases of people being arrested for selling and buying Starlink terminals, including four people — two of them foreign nationals — arrested last month for "importing satellite internet equipment".
"The BBC contacted SpaceX for more details about the use of Starlink in the country but did not receive a response."
For more than two months, Iran has been in digital darkness as the government maintains one of the longest-running national internet shutdowns ever recorded worldwide... Sahand says he has sent a dozen [Starlink terminals] to Iran since January and "we are actively looking for other ways to smuggle in more". The human rights organisation Witness estimated in January that there are at least 50,000 Starlink terminals in Iran. Activists say the number is likely to have risen...
Last year, the Iranian government passed legislation that made using, buying or selling Starlink devices punishable by up to two years in prison. The jail term for distributing or importing more than 10 devices can be up to 10 years. State-affiliated media has reported multiple cases of people being arrested for selling and buying Starlink terminals, including four people — two of them foreign nationals — arrested last month for "importing satellite internet equipment".
"The BBC contacted SpaceX for more details about the use of Starlink in the country but did not receive a response."
Re:Should be easy to find the users (Score:4, Interesting)
Yeah, this article is too cute by half.
Per reports SpaceX has been arming Ukraine with terminals for several years so Russia has put a lot of engineering into detecting, characterizing, and targeting the signals. They've provided this technology to Iran.
Trump recently bragged about CIA providing automatic weapons to the "protesters" ahead of the "protests" (over Bessent's currency war) which Iran shut down using the SL detectors.
Allegedly large shipments of terminals by Mossad were interdicted and those agents were hanged.
These spooks are willing to "fight to the last Iranian". Glorifying this is complicity in their entrapment.
There are much better ways to freedomtech than broadcasting a beacon unless a rapid color revolution is the goal.
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How condescending of you.
Can you maybe imagine that people in Iran are aware of the risks?
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They may be aware of the risks, but that doesn't mean it's okay to be negligent. If Russian teams are bringing in technology, their locations should be given to the rebels and sufficient weapons systems to allow them to be removed from the scene.
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The other risk is that both Russia and Iran have the ability to get stuff to orbit, and Russia has demonstrated the ability to hit satellites. If the terminals were not giving them useful into on the enemy, they might decide that Starlink is a threat and start shooting those birds down. The debris will quickly make LEO a dangerous place for at least a few years, probably longer.
Re:Should be easy to find the users (Score:5, Informative)
The other risk is that both Russia and Iran have the ability to get stuff to orbit, and Russia has demonstrated the ability to hit satellites. If the terminals were not giving them useful into on the enemy, they might decide that Starlink is a threat and start shooting those birds down. The debris will quickly make LEO a dangerous place for at least a few years, probably longer.
It is pointless to shoot down Starlink satellites. Way too many of them for it to matter. They lose dozens sometimes hundreds of satellites each month normally.
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Yeah but when they break up into lots of fragments and deny those orbits... At the very least it might encourage Musk to turn Starlink off over the contested area.
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Yeah but when they break up into lots of fragments and deny those orbits... At the very least it might encourage Musk to turn Starlink off over the contested area.
This is not credible. Intentionally triggering something like Kessler syndrome would have immediate negative global consequences political and otherwise. The Russians would effectively be destroying everyone's satellites in those orbits including their own satellites and the Chinese. It would also include the Chinese space station and the ISS manned by Russians.
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Oh, carp. Posting to undo bad mod.
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They don't really. Any debris caused by Starlink are likely short lived enough that crap in the orbit will be gone by the time a replacement is launched. Also Starlink doesn't need every orbit to get complete coverage so losing a bunch is meaningless. In fact they lose on average a satellite or two *every single day* without coverage being affected. Literally several hundred satellites deorbit from their constellation every year.
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They don't really. Any debris caused by Starlink are likely short lived enough that crap in the orbit will be gone by the time a replacement is launched. Also Starlink doesn't need every orbit to get complete coverage so losing a bunch is meaningless. In fact they lose on average a satellite or two *every single day* without coverage being affected. Literally several hundred satellites deorbit from their constellation every year.
SpaceX could replace them faster than Russia could take them out. That would be a war of launch capacity and cadence, and SpaceX outlaunches the rest of the world combined.
Re:Should be easy to find the users (Score:5, Informative)
Per reports SpaceX has been arming Ukraine with terminals for several years so Russia has put a lot of engineering into detecting, characterizing, and targeting the signals. They've provided this technology to Iran.
There was a guide for authorities circulating in Persian with details of using WiFi broadcasts to detect Starlink terminals. There is probably a lot of low hanging fruit finding people by not using Ethernet /w bypass mode in the starlink terminals.
Until recently (Thanks to SpaceX IPO) 3/4 of Starlink use in Ukraine was by Russians.
As /w Ukraine when used competently the terminals are not so easy to find.
https://www.skylinker.io/p/can... [skylinker.io]
Trump recently bragged about CIA providing automatic weapons to the "protesters" ahead of the "protests" (over Bessent's currency war) which Iran shut down using the SL detectors.
The comments I remember were related to Kurds in Iraq not sharing their US supplied stashes with Iranians.
Allegedly large shipments of terminals by Mossad were interdicted and those agents were hanged.
Yea everything is CIA and Mossad.
These spooks are willing to "fight to the last Iranian". Glorifying this is complicity in their entrapment.
Gotta love the rhetorical framing. Giving people something they want is now entrapment.
There are much better ways to freedomtech than broadcasting a beacon unless a rapid color revolution is the goal.
Satellite TV has the receive side broadcast mostly covered. For transmit you either need to send RF or operate some form of network internally. There are no risk free options and Starlink is not an unreasonable solution when used competently.
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Sounds like this would be a fantastic way to punch the current regime in the nose. Leave a Starlink terminal in 'wide open' mode somewhere sitting on a crate of C4 with a (non-internet connected) remote detonator. When the Republicans show up to arrest and shut down, you create a massive crater, expediting their trip to the virgins.
Right. This requires thought and pre-planning though and that seems to have been lacking.
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Until recently (Thanks to SpaceX IPO) 3/4 of Starlink use in Ukraine was by Russians.
Citation?
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Until recently (Thanks to SpaceX IPO) 3/4 of Starlink use in Ukraine was by Russians.
Citation?
https://militarnyi.com/en/news... [militarnyi.com]
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Yeah, these shouldn't be hard for the IRGC to hunt down. Starlink is basically just a fancy Ku band radio transmitter.
Detector Drones (Score:2)
If the Ku band transmissions from Starlink terminals are frequent enough, the IRGC could put a small Ku band receiver on a few drones and fly them over a large city in a grid pattern repeatedly to find the terminals.
The only way to combat this is to have a spread spectrum emission designed to communicate over a wide bandwidth which appears to be below the noise floor at narrower bandwidths.
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You mean like... cellular signals? :-)
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Have you been to Iran? Nearly every middle class and above home in Iran has a satellite dish -- and that includes, and actually especially the elites. They're not transmitting .. but all of them are literally illegal (punishable by jail time). My point is that not just that you're giving Iran too much credit on their ability to crack down on shit, you're giving its elites too much credit on their ability to be without internet. Iran's leadership rules by fear, bravado, and random arrests -- their actual tec
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Think about it .. the US landed C-130s, and a bunch of other aircraft including helicopters deep in their territory --- hung out for like 45 minutes and left. They couldn't track noisy ass helicopters and you're telling me they can find a phase array antenna Starlink? Most units of which, I can pretty much guarantee, are owned by government-connected people. And btw, they can be solar powered and planted some distance away from whoever owns it.
If the U.S. can do that, they can put drones in the air and create a Starlink-based swarm network providing free Wi-Fi to everyone, replacing the hardware as it gets shot down. Nobody has to have the Starlink hardware if it is a few hundred feet up — complete anonymity and complete destruction of the government's Internet blackout.
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I don't understand why people think anyone but the revolutionary guards uses starlink over there, with maybe one or two exceptions in places not completely under Iranian control.
Look at the ruzzkie situation, it is very similar. In the putinland, the gubbermint has restricted internet access for the general public. Instead of people buying starlink terminals for there freedumz, nearly all starlink terminals over there ended up on the Ukrainian front, where they were helping the ruzzkies.
It is the same in Ir
also getting a beating (Score:2)
(anyone that isn't "elite")
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an you grok the parallels in American culture, seeing why personal gun ownership is so important ?
Tell me, how successful are armed Americans at beating SWAT units sent to get them? You probably share the typical American view that "the government should be afraid of the people". It might have worked a century or two in the past, when outlaws were playing level with the Sheriff. Right now, personal gun ownership in the context of a rebellion equates to suicide by police.
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I am going to imagine that the overwhelming number of SWAT assisted arrests are by idiots who have no idea even how to shoot a gun. Now if you have even a single guy who is motivated changes everything. Don't believe me, look at how horrible the police respond to any of the shoot shootings.
What a fool you are to believe that governments should NOT fear the people. The government is funding by the people and should serve the peoples needs....not the other way around. The only fools that don't believe that ar
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What a fool you are to believe that governments should NOT fear the people.
Alright, I concede you that point. I did not really want to take a stance on whether the government should/should not be afraid. My point is that since this stance was very sensible two centuries ago, and independently of its value as a concept, is simply inapplicable today. You're fooling yourself if you believe "government should be afraid" argument has any *practical* relevance.
Governments have tens of thousands of staff, hundreds of billions in budget, and designed to be prepared to any adverse eventual
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Remember the "standoff" at the Cliven Bundy ranch? Do you know why it suddenly broke off? Someone started a rumor that the Pentagram had dispatched a couple of Predator drones and they scattered like rabbits.
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You are misinformed about the "swizz marmansship".
Only a very low percentage of the citizens are in the military: and the guns are locked away in an arsenal. Habit since nearly 2000 years. A citizen in his own city is not supposed to be armed.
See ... (Score:1, Troll)
.... that's what real "fascism" looks like.
as he carefully explains how he is part of a clandestine network smuggling satellite internet technology — which is illegal in Iran — into the country
It doesn't just mean "me unhappy that other political parties exist and occasionally win".
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Currently, the US government is banning any non-backdoored home routers, requiring pre-clearance to run news stories, and using religion to justify its war.
Yes, fascism really does look like that.
Getting caught with one can mean death (Score:2, Informative)
> The UNâ(TM)s top human rights official warned on Wednesday that Iraniansâ(TM) rights are being eroded in âoeharsh and brutal ways,â citing a surge in executions, mass arrests and alleged abuses amid a widening crackdown on dissent
https://news.un.org/en/story/2... [un.org]
Iran is not the innocent place the media portrays it as.
Re:Getting caught with one can mean death (Score:5, Insightful)
Iran is not the innocent place the media portrays it as.
I'm not aware of anyone portraying Iran as an innocent place. The claims I'm seeing are about having Israel invade other countries with American support not being beneficial in the short or long term.
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The claims I'm seeing are about having Israel invade other countries with American support not being beneficial in the short or long term.
This is an extremely worrisome point. Trump is walking a narrow line, and he is not known for competence.
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I think America had been on a "narrow line" for a generation or three... no actually, they've been solidly fucking it up the whole time. The religious crazies only came to power after the US destabilized their previous, non-psycho government, in an effort to protect British oil holdings.
I'm reminded of a quote a few days ago by the British ambassador to the US. He said America's "special relationship" was no longer with the UK, but with Israel.
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I think America had been on a "narrow line" for a generation or three... no actually, they've been solidly fucking it up the whole time
You can't be on a narrow line and fuck it up for three generations. Either you're not fucking it up solidly or the line isn't so narrow.
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If only we could give them some nukes though.
Who knew Netanyahu used Slashdot to repeat the threats of decades?
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Why are you getting a petition signed? Trump has already done more than any westerner in history to grant Iran some nukes.
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They used to only have to wait until 2030 to freely make them. But now. Iran will never get them.
So which is it, will Iran never get nukes, or is Trump's favorite buddy (since Epstein's death anyway) Netanyahu right when he says we have to keep bombing Iran so they don't get nukes? Make up your mind.
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Wait can someone remind we, are we pro-World Police now or anti-World Police now?
Or does this opinion for conservatives literally depend on what mood Trump is in today?
"No New Wars! (unless my polling dips below a threshold)"
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Nowhere in my comment did I mention America or Trump or any "conservative" view. It's a quote from the UN regarding the Iranian theocracy arresting, torturing, and murdering their own people for the crime of talking about what's happening there.
Iran was murdering their own people by the tens of thousands long before this conflict with America started. Perhaps your focus should be on the atrocities being committed there rather than trying to blame them on the US?
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Notice you're not denying it either so I think I was spot on, you do know as human beings we can use our brains to infer things even if they are not said. You're just doing justification so it's a fair guess. Notice how you infer that I am blaming the US even though I didn't say it so you do understand the concept.
Here I will do my part and deny that I am blaming the US for those crimes of the regime. I do however blame the US historically for the regime being in place and moreso this war being particula
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Why would I set out to deny something I never mentioned. This is all in your head friend, you need to clean house and join us back in reality.
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Are you for real? You just mentioned it. You could have denied it right there in your response but you just got indignant but did not deny it.
So my inference stands, unless you voted for Harris and are voting straight Democrat this November? I'll happily eat crow if that's the case.
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Obama tried to fix it.
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Cope. 10 years of Iran not having a nuke is not 10 years of Iran not having a nuke. They also wouldn't be enriching uranium.
Obama was better than Trump. You're welcome.
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Did the trump admin recertify the deal twice in 2017 that Iran was complying?
Did the IAEA afterwards certify that Iran was complying in 2018?
Did Trump present actual evidence in 2017/2018 that Iran was not complying or did he say they were violating "the spirit" of the agreement?
Unless you have evidence that Iran was developing nukes before 2018 you're making my point, not yours.
When people like you notice it's almost 2030 and you want a new agreement. Then what...
Let me explain to you how time works.... If Iran is complying they make a new deal. If you have evidence they broke the deal wel
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Perhaps your focus should be on the atrocities being committed there rather than trying to blame them on the US?
Difficult, as the current regime was put into power by the US.
Read a book about history.
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Difficult, as the current regime was put into power by the US.
No it wasn't.
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by the tens of thousands
You really should ignore Israeli propaganda, I don't think their government is capable of telling the truth even if it were in their own interest.
False Dichotomy [Re:Getting caught with one ca...] (Score:3)
Your fallacy is False Dichotomy [dictionary.com]. Pointing out the stupidity in an ill-thought-out war does not imply agreeing with the Iranian regime or denying that it is bad or claiming that it is "an innocent place". If anything, the ill-though-out war has strengthened the control that the Iranian regime has over the Iran.
...and, for reference, I don't think I've ever seen the media portray Iran as "an innocent place." (They possibly could portray the Iranian people as innoce
This is an astonishingly bad idea (Score:5, Interesting)
Less dramatically: if you're an insurgent force in a modern country, the last thing in the world that you want to do is communicate by any form of electronic network. Surveillance and detection methods for these are well-known and readily available. And even if the communications themselves are encrypted, the metadata available enables traffic analysis, correlation with external events (including those arranged for the purpose), and endpoint identification.
In such an environment, it's much better to use encrypted memory cards distributed by couriers and dead drops. The cost of attempting to disrupt such an effort is many orders of magnitude higher, both in terms of money and personnel, than the cost of disrupting electronic distribution.
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Re:This is an astonishingly bad idea (Score:5, Informative)
Except that isn't true, that's just a conservative media telling of what Republicans want people to believe Democrats are doing.
Trump is being friendly to both China and Russia, despite what they say. Trump will never... EVER... say what Biden did which is that the US will defend Taiwan in the face of Chinese invasion which is a very strong and even somewhat antagonistic stance towards China. The fact Trump is blaming the war on Ukraine and basically repeating Putin talking points is proof he's not just less antagonistic, he's practically sympathetic to Russia. He agrees with Putin's concept of 19th century spheres on influence.
Everything else is just cope and mental justification for people who supported Trump but are far too in the conservative media machine to ever side with or vote for "the libs". To them admitting Democrats might be right or the better choice is something they would rather die than accept. This isn't just MAGA either, this is 90% of "centrists". The "both sides" schtick is well worn out and past it's due date.
See the thing about TDS is the people back in 2016 who we all made fun of for having it? They were 110% right about everything.
Re: This is an astonishingly bad idea (Score:2)
This is from the perspective of someone who is supportive of both China and Russia. I want the U.S. to leave them alone. I don't want the U.S. to be involved in Iran. I don't want the U.S. to be involved in Ukraine. I don't want the U.S. to be involved in Taiwan. I want the U.S. to be involved in making the lives of U.S. citizens better.
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This is from the perspective of someone who is supportive of both China and Russia. I don't want the U.S. to be involved in Ukraine. I don't want the U.S. to be involved in Taiwan.
If you support Russia move there and join the SMO. They will give you citizenship and a signing bonus of several million rubbles.
Re: This is an astonishingly bad idea (Score:2)
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Why would I do that?
It was just a suggestion. My intention was trying to be helpful and point out new possibilities you may have not previously considered.
I just support the U.S. ending its constant effort to destabilize and destroy every other country.
When you support Russia's war of conquest against Ukraine you are doing something else entirely.
Re: This is an astonishingly bad idea (Score:2)
So you also want the US to stop sending money and weapons to Israel, yes? It's all used to destabilise the region.
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If only he would try and isolate and cripple both Russia and China by taking out their only actual allies, Iran, Cuba, and Venezuela.
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1. None of those countries are crippled, weakened sure but their regimes are intact.
2. He's shown little understanding of America's interests much less how that intersects with theirs. Who is he negotiating with and how do you think he's understanding their interests? What has he successfully negotiated?
3. Russia us already isolated and Trump has been trying to un-isolate them.
4. China has been gaining more presence in international affairs, more countries are warming to China while the US becomes unhinged
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Care to explain the recent Starlink whitelisting event that locked most Russian terminals out of the network and arguably resulted in the collapse of a number of their offensive operations while giving Ukraine a large operational advantage?
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Care to explain the recent Starlink whitelisting event that locked most Russian terminals out of the network and arguably resulted in the collapse of a number of their offensive operations while giving Ukraine a large operational advantage?
Everyone has been calling for whitelisting terminals for years. Musk only now kicked Russians offline due to the imminent SpaceX IPO.
While Trump and Musk are untrustworthy amoral asshats they are unlikely to act in contravention of self interests. There would be hell to pay especially in future administrations once such a betrayal became known likely in exchange for nothing substantive on the other side of the ledger. It might not even mean all that much in practice due to heavy use of overlays like Cond
That's all she wrote... (Score:3)
The end state probably isn't any single technology defeating state censorship. It's the cumulative weight of microSDs, Starlink terminals, VPNs, mesh radios, and eventual low-cost cubesats making comprehensive control economically and logistically unsustainable. The cost of enforcement keeps rising; the cost of circumvention keeps falling. That's a losing trajectory for the censors.
Re:Doesn't matter (Score:4, Interesting)
Any hope for the opposition in Iran to come to power went to shit when Trump first bombed a girls school and then has continuously said he plans on killing everyone in the country.
Iranians are annoyed the west cares so deeply now about Minab yet said nothing while over 30000 civilians were massacred and 300000 injured by the regime (Many by the hands of foreign invaders invited into the country by the regime) over the course of two days in January. People seem to know more about Babi Yar from their history books than what happened just a few months ago this year.
Sure the regime is still executing kids every day but that doesn't matter. A school was accidentally hit and Trump is a dumbass that spews crazy shit and that is really what is most important and what really matters most. This western nonsense is so unhinged. Protests were not about the west or character of US presidents. It was about Iranians being fed up with the regime. The regime has completely lost its legitimacy and the structural economic issues that triggered protests are only getting worse.
The whole country is going to rally behind the existing government because that's how that works. When you are under attack like that and a very large and powerful opponent is threatening to kill everyone nobody cares who's in charge as long as somebody is.
Is this why the Internet has been shut down since the US attacks? The regime doesn't want the world to find out how much their people hate the west for bombing them? Or is it they didn't want the world to see any more videos of people cheering enmasse the death of leaders and destruction of IRGC bases?
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To believe a "house" gets accidentally hit by a cruise missile: is idiotic.
How many people in the chain of checking the coordinates need to make the same: okay we want to hit building X but ignore that the missile will hit 50 yards/meters left from it - mistake?
They wanted to hit that school, for what ever damn reason. And instead of hitting it at night they killed 400 school kids.
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To believe a "house" gets accidentally hit by a cruise missile: is idiotic.
How many people in the chain of checking the coordinates need to make the same: okay we want to hit building X but ignore that the missile will hit 50 yards/meters left from it - mistake?
No clue, you tell me.. how many were there?
They wanted to hit that school, for what ever damn reason. And instead of hitting it at night they killed 400 school kids.
Back in the real world...
"The Feb. 28 strike on the Shajarah Tayyebeh elementary school building was the result of a targeting mistake by the U.S. military, which was conducting strikes on an adjacent Iranian base of which the school building was formerly a part, the preliminary investigation found. Officers at U.S. Central Command created the target coordinates for the strike using outdated data provided by the Defense Intelligence Agency, people briefed on the in
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Correct.
Blame it on outdated information.
Does not change the fact: they hit a school.
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Iranians are annoyed the west cares so deeply now about Minab yet said nothing while over 30000 civilians were massacred and 300000 injured by the regime (Many by the hands of foreign invaders invited into the country by the regime) over the course of two days in January. People seem to know more about Babi Yar from their history books than what happened just a few months ago this year.
Which West are you talking about? Western governments condemned the attacks on protesters. It was all over the Western news media, which is why the Western US President cared about it. Plenty of normal Western people were online posting about it.
Is it Country-Western we're talking about here? Western films? Reagan hasn't been running guns to Iranians in a long times.
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Which West are you talking about? Western governments condemned the attacks on protesters. It was all over the Western news media, which is why the Western US President cared about it. Plenty of normal Western people were online posting about it.
Minab got wall to wall coverage for days while the massacres got barely a mention in all but the right wing press.
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So the Iranian people are aware of the differences between US news sources, are upset about unbalanced coverage of the news about the massacres, and are therefore saying "Thank you US and Israel for blowing up our schools and bridges and infrastructure.
No, annoyance I spoke of is when non Iranians express sympathy over US bombings of a regime that murders and oppresses them while remaining silent over the massacres of Iranians at the hands of the regime.
The black toxic smoke over Tehran will motivate us to oppose the current regime that much more
I think it is a mistake to view US/Israeli attacks against the regime as some form of motivation of the population. It may well be a source of hope and delight but not necessarily motivation. Strikes are a calculated risk that can easily work against public sentiment. I don't trust either Trump or Bibi
Iranian citizens don't care about anything (Score:4, Insightful)
You cannot create a local opposition when the entire country is under siege. No country on the planet isn't going to rally in the face of that and any government is going to be able to use that to consolidate their power. Just like how Bush Jr after 9/11 was able to score a second term even though by that point people hated him in the economy was in free fall.
That's why Trump wants a second to 9/11. Trump is absolutely destroying the economy in exchange for potentially making Elon Musk a trillionaire before he dies of ketamine overdose. Also Trump is a staggering moron but as dumb as he is he knows he is in over his head and inevitably going to crash the economy. When that happens assuming voters are allowed to vote and assuming we aren't involved in the defensive War Trump is not going to win another term. And he wants the term because it's worth billions to him. He also probably is a little worried about being prosecuted for all the crime he keeps doing. Although to be thoroughly honest I don't think he needs to be. Even if he was somehow put on trial he would be declared unfit to stand...
Regardless though Trump wants the third term. And he's too incompetent to get it on his own. The Democrats are also probably not going to fuck up and nominate yet another unpopular woman.
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You cannot create a local opposition when the entire country is under siege. No country on the planet isn't going to rally in the face of that and any government is going to be able to use that to consolidate their power. Just like how Bush Jr after 9/11 was able to score a second term even though by that point people hated him in the economy was in free fall.
Regime opposition is not being generated from outside Iran, it already boiled over and reached a critical mass inside of the country in late December before the bloody massacres and subsequent US attacks. Everyone who matters (RP,DT,BB,CENTCOM...etc) have stated the obvious recommending people hold off for a safer time. Meanwhile people are organizing and getting shit together.
You really are dedicated to missing the point (Score:2)
Yes opposition was boiling over. Keyword was. Past tense.
Trump and his infinite genius and big uh, brain attacked the country and the opposition instantly lost their support because the public at Large rallied around the existing power structures for safety or at least a feeling of it. That is inevitably what is going to happen to a nation under attack.
Trump is an idiot and a senile madman who squandered a chance to convert Iran into a fun
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I have got to give you credit for that dedication I guess.
Yes opposition was boiling over. Keyword was. Past tense.
Opposition has only increased.
I feel like you are desperately trying to defend Donald Trump and don't want to because you're ashamed of it. You should be ashamed of defending Trump. That's a good impulse and you should run with it
I guess this is a feature of cognitive dissonance where people have such a need to protect their world view they begin to wholesale reject entire domains for irrelevant reasons. Kind of the f*** you and your little dog too response. As if the little dog had anything to do with anything.
This is what you are doing now with an inability to separate Trump being a an amoral dumbass with present day reality. If Trump is doing something or takes some position it it must be bad. A
How smart (Score:2)
It's always keyboard warriors from outside that want to change something on the inside.
People forget that Iranians and their revolution overturned one of the worst dictatorships back in 1978. Homeini used that oportunity and slipped in to establish himself as the religious "leader" even though Islam DOES NOT reckonise any individual between the believer and god unlike Catholicism where you have the Pope as a "broker" or "interpreter" between people and God.
So, Homeini was there under false pretense but peop