Challenging UPS and FedEx, Amazon Opens Its Shipping Network to All Businesses (geekwire.com) 81
This week Amazon opened up its parcel shipping, fulfillment, and distribution "to businesses of all types and sizes." Any business can now ship, store, and deliver "using the same supply chain that supports Amazon," according to Monday's announcement of "Amazon Supply Chain Services."
The move sent shares of UPS and FedEx "tumbling" Monday writes GeekWire. And though both stocks bounced back as the week went on, GeekWire sees this as the latest example of Amazon "turning its internal capabilities into products and services for sale..."
"Amazon had already surpassed both carriers to become the nation's largest parcel shipper by volume, according to parcel-analytics firm ShipMatrix." Initial customers include Procter & Gamble, which is using Amazon's freight network to transport raw materials; 3M, which is using it to move products to distribution centers; Lands' End, which is fulfilling orders across sales channels from Amazon's warehouses; and American Eagle Outfitters, which is using Amazon's parcel service for last-mile delivery. The service can fulfill orders placed through platforms that compete with Amazon's own marketplace, including Walmart, Shopify, TikTok, and others... Peter Larsen, vice president of Amazon Supply Chain Services, compared the launch to the origins of Amazon's cloud business...
In addition to putting Amazon in competition with existing players in the logistics industry, the move also raises questions about data privacy. Amazon has faced accusations of using nonpublic seller data to compete against merchants on its marketplace, which it has denied. Larsen told the Wall Street Journal that the company prohibits using supply chain customer data for its own marketplace decisions, noting that hundreds of thousands of Amazon sellers already trust the company to fulfill orders placed on rival platforms.
The article notes that in his annual shareholder letter Amazon's CEO "said the company is also exploring selling its custom AI chips and robotics to outside customers."
The move sent shares of UPS and FedEx "tumbling" Monday writes GeekWire. And though both stocks bounced back as the week went on, GeekWire sees this as the latest example of Amazon "turning its internal capabilities into products and services for sale..."
"Amazon had already surpassed both carriers to become the nation's largest parcel shipper by volume, according to parcel-analytics firm ShipMatrix." Initial customers include Procter & Gamble, which is using Amazon's freight network to transport raw materials; 3M, which is using it to move products to distribution centers; Lands' End, which is fulfilling orders across sales channels from Amazon's warehouses; and American Eagle Outfitters, which is using Amazon's parcel service for last-mile delivery. The service can fulfill orders placed through platforms that compete with Amazon's own marketplace, including Walmart, Shopify, TikTok, and others... Peter Larsen, vice president of Amazon Supply Chain Services, compared the launch to the origins of Amazon's cloud business...
In addition to putting Amazon in competition with existing players in the logistics industry, the move also raises questions about data privacy. Amazon has faced accusations of using nonpublic seller data to compete against merchants on its marketplace, which it has denied. Larsen told the Wall Street Journal that the company prohibits using supply chain customer data for its own marketplace decisions, noting that hundreds of thousands of Amazon sellers already trust the company to fulfill orders placed on rival platforms.
The article notes that in his annual shareholder letter Amazon's CEO "said the company is also exploring selling its custom AI chips and robotics to outside customers."
Great (Score:4, Funny)
Can we please nationalize them now, so we have a post office again?
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Well Republicans have spent the last 40 years divesting it away, sabotaging and underfunding it in an effort to show how incapable it is and turn public sentiment against it and yet it still has been able to maintain a high level of service.
Re:Great (Score:5, Informative)
Why blame any of that? Why not blame the real culprits? Or do you not like accountability?
https://apwu.org/the-usps-fair... [apwu.org]
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This means Democrats didn't even bother to force a recorded vote. They just all yelled "Aye!" and correctly assumed that tribalist hacks like you would keep sucking their dicks, none the wiser.
Smoke!
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As a (usually) Green voter, I see people like you as an equal part of the problem, mainly because you're just as lazy as the other guys.
Well by being a Democrat I can vote for candidates in both primaries and general elections that will support undoing some of these reforms and they might get elected whereas you can choose to put support towards accomplishing nothing and blame everyone else.
Also if you supported Jill Stein, well, you're obviously a multiple recipient of these. [knowyourmeme.com]
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I vote for the best, or the least odious, candidate on the ballot in front of me. Literally anyone with a pulse was better than Donald Trump or Kamala Harris in 2024, the latter of which could have been a precedent for the elimination of primaries altogether. That was some scary shit, and I am glad she go
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Certainly would be a lot easier to fund pensions after the retirees die. What I mean by that is to not fund them at all l..
That's a model used in many other industries, with predictable results. Given a choice, I support the current system. Now to see if the USPS lasts another 75 years before it's privatized so the pension fund can be raided to the benefit of the lucky few who win that lottery.
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Democrats have had the Whitehouse and majorities in Congress during the past 40 years and yet have done nothing about this. Your argument is hollow.
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Senate passes $107 billion overhaul of USPS, lauding mail agency’s role in pandemic response [senate.gov]
House Set to Approve $25 Billion in Postal Service Funding [courthousenews.com]
House Democrats hope to sign, seal and deliver legislation this weekend that will buoy the U.S. Postal Service with $25 billion in emergency funding...
But regular commentary from President Donald Trump that he will not fund the Post Office, despite requests from its own board of governors to do so...
Am I here to argue Democrats are perfect or don't have
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Re:Great (Score:5, Interesting)
Well here's the thing, that was passed in 2006 and you need a Democrat President in office (since Trump isn't signing that) and you also need 60 votes in the Senate. Or you need to vote in the primaries for Democratic Senators that will undo the filibuster.
The only time Democrats had 60 votes in the Senate was for 79 days in 2008 and while they didn't get that done they were the most productive Congress in our generation. [wikipedia.org]
So my point stands, Republicans are ghouls who want to gut and privatize the USPS and the Democrats while far from perfect are at least stable stewards of government and they are the party that would most likely support the USPS. That's just reality chief, accept it.
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Subsidizing the USPS isn't 'reform'. It's the status quo.
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Sure but even with that said one party is willing to keep the USPS operational and funded while the other wants to privatize it.
Do you care about the USPS or just playing word games?
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USPS needs to adapt to the market. Either function within budget limitations or raise revenue needed, or stop failing.
Do I 'care' about USPS? The same way I care about the military etc. I think a national postal service is a legitimate exercise of governmental power, a necessary and useful servicer to citizens and enterprises, and should operate at a break-even funding level, users (customers) paying reasonably for the service. When government relies on USPS for functions such as sending or receiving paymen
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Well then we *mostly* agree. I would say the USPS should dissolve it's quasi-private structure and just return to it's pre-1970's structure and exist as a mostly public service. First class mail has such a wide ranging benefit for all other sectors of the economy that I don't really care if it runs at a bit of a loss. For packages and bulk mail service it can operate at the break-even level as described.
One things for sure, if reform is what we want the onyl path for it is the Democrats, even if we consi
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"such a wide ranging benefit for all other sectors of the economy"
Um, the economy should pay the fair share - as in real cost.
If USPS cannot deliver this 'wide ranging benefit' at an acceptable cost, it cannot deliver, and alternatives would be proper to pursue.
Returning to pre 70s status is acceptable to me.
FWIW, you are discussing this with a MAGA-style Conservative. As you excoriate 'Republicans' for not caring, do you tolerate the Democrat response to throw good money after bad? As I self-identify, I pr
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Yes, indirect benefits and taxation is core to how government services work. You can lose money in one sector and recoup from the gains in others. Cheap and reliable post service has been a backbone of the US economy since its inception, these are like force multipliers. You'd have to show me the USPS has always been "profitable" as a counterexample.
You even use "acceptable cost" so you get what I'm saying, we are just arguing over the amount that is acceptable.
Yes I will excoriate Republicans because
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"they also get actual governance done"
The governance Democrats get done is largely that which I do not want...
"Republicans can't govern, they have never cared about root causes"
The Civil Rights Act.
Clean Water Act, EPA.
Enacted under Republican Presidents. Not rejected by Republican legislators.
And then the ultimate 'root cause' solution - The Civil War. Addressing slavery in the United States finally came to a head, and the Republican Party was founded to address that injustice. It has not, despite mainly o
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What did they do with it?
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We are going in the other direction,
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Can we please nationalize them now, so we have a post office again?
USPS had one monopoly, first class letters, delivered across the entire US for the same price, 6 days a week, which supported their existence. I do not know when the last time you received a 1st class letter, but it is now rarity for me (maybe two per month, and one of them has a historical mandate for physical letters that no longer really makes sense), and I suspect most have a similar 1st class letter experience. Delivering such 1st class letters once/twice a week, and packages only on demand, is the o
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Says the fellow who doesn't live in rural area with few roads and wonky internet. Your "solution" only works for high density metropolises....unless you have no problem charging rural people $30/letter. You must be a Republican, no sense of the common good, everybody for themselves, lusting after a dog-eat-dog world where we are all armed to the teeth.
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I wish usps would charge $30 a letter to my home. Every day I have to walk to the mailbox, collect trash, throw it away. Maybe once a year i receive real mail.
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I like the joke, but it would be funnier to try to fix the dead tree snail mail system with such craziness as an alias database for mapping convenient email addresses.
Another crazy innovation would be to default to no bulk-class mail, but with a new opt-in option to accept it ONLY if the recipient gets a cut of the postage paid.
But I just read another book on why that trick would never work, so...
Logical step (Score:3)
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Amazon is like a lot of companies....leeches. They've created nothing new, just looked around an found markets they could cannibalize.
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Ah, they've added competition. Terrible.
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Being able to have a wide variety of items delivered, overnight, that I would previously had to visit more than one local store to find in stock isn't 'new' to you?
You're excused for apparently being too young to remember pre-Amazon. Amazon was and is a new thing. Your disdain for all things corporate might be showing...
and NOW DSP will take on more load for not much mo (Score:2)
and NOW DSP will take on more load for not much more pay.
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This isn't "value", baby, this is "valuation", which is not the same thing.
Alibaba/Cainiao's move nearly twice the merchandise value outside of the US that the bezos outfit can, and are growing twice as fast.
thank god (Score:3)
Re:Blame the unions (Score:4, Interesting)
Then again you wouldn't have unionised workers if they were being treated fairly in the first place?
Makes sense (Score:2)
Itâ(TM)s about the unions (Score:5, Insightful)
UPS has one of the strongest unions in the country and the highest paid employees for a logistic company. Heck, theyâ(TM)re some of the highest paid blue-collar employees.
FedEx also has a great union.
Meanwhile, Amazon is a union busting, worker micromanaging company that pays their workers extremely poorly and has an incredibly high turnover rate.
So theyâ(TM)ll be able to beat the competition on pricing. But is it worth it?
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Have you used the services of a mechanic or a plumber in the last 10 years? They charge me, per hour, as much as my attorney. And I'll bet they're not carrying half-a-million in college debt from Columbia Law.
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"They charge me, per hour, as much as my attorney."
What a super relatable comment. But unsurprising.
"And I'll bet they're not carrying half-a-million in college debt from Columbia Law."
I'll bet your "attorney" isn't either. How can such a narcissist hire an attorney that hasn't paid off his school debt yet? Can't afford any more than plumber's pay?
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I bet your attorney is a member of the state bar. And enjoys the privilege of limited competition by denying to those who did not play the game access to practice law, and in some instances, even represent themselves at law.
Your mechanic, however, completes in a market where there is no barrier to entry other than tools, equipment, facilities, access to vital information (at a price), and knowledge/skills/abilities. Training is not essential, however desirable and helpful it must be.
Your attorney is part of
uh (Score:3, Interesting)
Fedex is not fucking unionized. The pilots are unionized and so is the FedEx Freight hub at Stockton. That's about it. The FedEx Ground drivers weren't even considered employees (and might not be nationally, idk) until about a decade ago. FedEx Ground (formerly Airborne Express) is cheaper than UPS because its wages are cheaper which is why volumewise it has completely come to dominate the package market. Drive cross country and you'll see 10 FedEx trucks for every UPS truck and it used to be the other way
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Except that's false since FedEx aren't unionised so clearly there's no correlation between your claim and what is going on. That's not to excuse Amazon's union busting, and it's a shame that in a 3rd world country like the USA this still is allowed to happen.
The USA so desperately needs unions (most other western nations don't because the government works for the people rather than fucking them over).
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Yeah. Are most other governments unionized?
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It happened once, a grand experiment, some time in the 1770s.
The experiment has not yet failed entirely.
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Not sure what humour you are talking about. There's nothing funny about extensive labour laws providing employee protections from abusive employers.
It's because (Score:5, Insightful)
They want FedEx and UPS gone, once they do then they can take over the whole supply chain. And the government will let them. They will undercut UPS and FedEx, and use anti competitive practices.
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I had a package held up for over 2 weeks because my mail carrier (USPS) "saw a deer" and flagged it undeliverable NO ETC due to unleashed / dangerous animal.
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Just remember (Score:3)
Tumbling! (Score:3)
Fedex up 1 pt in afterhours trading, UPS holding even
Amazon replaced the online stores already. (Score:1)
This is about getting wholesalers to pay them to take the data about where they source their stuff and who they sell it to at what rates so Amazon can replace their step in the chain as well.
I got my first shipment from them May 3rd (Score:2)
I placed two separate orders with Lego on May 1st. The first arrived on the 3rd, the second a day or two later. I didn't realize Amazon was handling the delivery until the second one. Then I went back and looked at the tracking. Unlike FedEx and UPS they don't attach the shipments to your address so you don't get notifications if you have the app installed. But when I followed the tracking link at Lego.com it went to Amazon.
I'm surprised it took them this long to get in on this. It makes a lot of sense, the
Predictable (Score:2)
Omni Consumer Products (Score:2)
and
"OCP: What Don't We Do?"
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Good (Score:1)
The more competition in that space the better.
(And no, those wascally wepubwicans aren't at fault for my latest USPS package taking a leisurely loop-de-loop path through the country - if it ever even gets here, and doesn't join a back of the truck sale in Chicago. As with public schools, the problem isn't with any lack of dollars being thrown at it ... )
There are no employees, only contractors (Score:1)
I was happy with local delivery services but damn COVID changed that. Is there still any (global) company that will require a code/pin, protecting the package from being handled to random person that happens to be close enough to target address?
UPS, FedEx, and USPS are still better (Score:2)
UPS, FedEx, and USPS still have better tracking. And all three have Vacation hold, which Amazon still does not. Enough said for me.
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Those were the days...
Recruitment Drive (Score:2)
Did you played "ding-ding-ditch" as a kid? Want to relive that experience? Join UPS today!
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How much will be carried by people in private cars (Score:2)
I would put more trust in Spirit Airline... (Score:1)
Amazon has the volume, but it is hands down the worst service I have experienced.
For the record, I have Prime so I'm supposedly paying for 2-day delivery. I also use a UPS Store box for all deliveries. As such, I don't have to worry about porch pirates or dropping off at the wrong house. I've also clearly recorded what the store hours are so that Amazon knows the store's schedule (generally 9a-8p hours on weekdays, and short hours on Sunday).
- They have tried delivering stuff at 10pm on a weekday
- They have