Samsung Ditches New Jersey For Texas, Costing Garden State 1,000 Jobs (nj.com) 123
schwit1 shares a report from NJ.com: Samsung is pulling up stakes in New Jersey and heading to Texas, a move that could leave roughly 1,000 Garden State workers facing a stark choice: relocate or risk losing their jobs. The South Korean tech giant confirmed this week that it will move its US headquarters from Englewood Cliffs, NJ, to its existing campus in Plano, Texas, marking a stunning reversal less than a year after it celebrated the opening of a new headquarters in Bergen County. The relocation is expected to be completed by the end of the year, according to company statements. "Samsung Electronics America Inc. is undergoing a business transformation designed to better position our organization for long-term growth and future success. As part of this effort, we are relocating our U.S. headquarters from New Jersey to our existing campus in Plano, Texas, building on our 30-year presence in the state," said Samsung in a statement emailed to NJ.com on Tuesday.
"As part of this strategy, we will be optimizing parts of the organization to ensure our roles and functions align to key business priorities. We recognize such adjustments will have an impact on our people and we will be providing support to those affected," it continued.
"As part of this strategy, we will be optimizing parts of the organization to ensure our roles and functions align to key business priorities. We recognize such adjustments will have an impact on our people and we will be providing support to those affected," it continued.
Everyone is moving to TX or FL (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Everyone is moving to TX or FL (Score:5, Insightful)
Enjoy the race to the bottom. Industrial pollution on industrial scale, company towns, no rights. The usa was there once, and going back isn't necessarily progress.
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Where is all this pollution and company town and no rights?
Boca Cica?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Re: Everyone is moving to TX or FL (Score:1)
Have you ever been?
Re: Everyone is moving to TX or FL (Score:3, Informative)
I'm preparing to leave California because what you're describing is exactly the status quo in this state, where in my experience, it isn't in either Texas or Florida. Go look at where the dirtiest cities in the country are all concentrated, and you'll see what I mean.
Actually worse, because the only "race to the bottom" I've seen is California's plan to capture more tax revenue for more social services that it already can't afford. How is that a good idea when the fact that the people who bring in by far th
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If everyone paid more in taxes, we wouldn't have to be nickel and dimed for all the piecemeal options that the government (or life) forces people to have - healthcare, insurances, etc.
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Democrats want to spend enough to bring their mental and substance abuse problems under control and to prevent things like medical debt from throwing people onto the streets in the first place. Republicans want to spend nothing to help them out, only to lock them up or ship them somewhere else. So the two sides compromise which means the state spends just enough to keep them alive and dependent on hando
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Not enough to repeal Prop 13 [archive.org]!
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The reality is that more taxes simple mean more for bureaucrats to squander.
You are correct; however, I would like to make it more pointed:
The reality is that more taxes simply mean more for bureaucrats to send to their friend's and family's companies.
In other words, more taxes means more wealth transfer from the general public to the 'wealthy elite'.
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Yep, better to borrow the money to give to the wealthy elite.
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There are several examples of successful socialism within the confines of American Capitalism. There are also several examples of countries proving lite socialism can and does work when structured correctly - Norway, Denmark, Sweden. You can blend socialist and free market policies. Businesses still can, and do, thrive in these models - like Lego.
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There are several examples of successful socialism within the confines of American Capitalism.
Such as?
There are also several examples of countries proving lite socialism can and does work when structured correctly - Norway, Denmark, Sweden.
These aren't even remotely socialist. While I don't know Norway in that much detail, I do know that Denmark and Sweden are even more free market driven than the US is. Case in point, Sweden's education system is mostly free market driven.
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There are several examples of successful socialism within the confines of American Capitalism.
Such as?
Publicly owned utilities. Most, if not all, public transportation. Public education. Basically anything that has Public in front of it and is funded, or subsidized, through the taxpayers. Postal Service. Social Security. Medicare/Medicaid. Fire and Police Depts. Military.
There are also several examples of countries proving lite socialism can and does work when structured correctly - Norway, Denmark, Sweden.
These aren't even remotely socialist. While I don't know Norway in that much detail, I do know that Denmark and Sweden are even more free market driven than the US is. Case in point, Sweden's education system is mostly free market driven.
They are Social Democracies - capitalism heavily influenced by socialism. Heavy taxes on the wealthy and corporations to fund universal free public services - healthcare, higher education, retirement, etc. Or what I would refer to as "lite
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Credit Unions and Co-op's are about as socialist as you can get and often quite successful. Socialism can be quite compatible with the free market as long as the government doesn't interfere too much to help the capitalists.
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Credit Unions and Co-op's are about as socialist as you can get and often quite successful. Socialism can be quite compatible with the free market as long as the government doesn't interfere too much to help the capitalists.
Those aren't even remotely socialist dude. First of all, they're not government owned means of production, second of all, they have to compete on the free market, third, credit unions are literal co-ops. You know what they all have in common, by the way? They're run just the same as any other business. The only meaningful distinction between these, or even a nonprofit, is entirely in the ownership structure. Co-ops are usually customer owned, though in practice the customer can't tell the difference. Credit
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Publicly owned utilities. Most, if not all, public transportation. Public education. Basically anything that has Public in front of it and is funded, or subsidized, through the taxpayers. Postal Service. Social Security. Medicare/Medicaid. Fire and Police Depts. Military.
Not quite. Socialism literally refers to a government owned means of production. Fire, police, and military "production" aren't on a free market, so yeah, technically those can be considered "socialist" but one thing you're missing about these is they're not on any market at all. The postal service might be, but at the same time, it's not publicly owned either, rather it's a private entity given some kind of "special" status that doesn't really have any parallel. Social security, medicare, and medicaid are
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they're not on any market at all.
They don't need to be on a market. The government has full control over these entities, they are funded through tax dollars whether you want them or not, and they are there for the benefit of all of society.
are all welfare programs
Welfare was quite literally only invented to combat the growing socialist movements. It's a socialism-like mechanic without admitting it. A band-aid to keep capitalism alive.
which doesn't relate to socialism
Yes, it does, because they both accomplish the same thing via different methods, wealth redistribution from those who don't need it to those who do.
Austria, followed by France.
I don't reference Austria because no one else knows jack shit about Austria. And the French are disgusting people with disgusting cities - their only redeeming quality being their ability to protest.
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Fuck, forgot to close a tag.
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Why do you think that socialism has to involve the government, besides things like enforcing contracts.
From the American Heritage dictionary,
My Credit Union is owned collectively, same with various Co-ops I deal with, though I'm not a member of most of them.
Wiki has much
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They don't need to be on a market. The government has full control over these entities, they are funded through tax dollars whether you want them or not, and they are there for the benefit of all of society.
In other words, bringing that up is a moot point. Why? Because capitalism is just another name for free market economies. It was intended as a pejorative when Karl Marx coined the term, but after witnessing the glorious revolution multiple times over the next hundred years afterward, communist and socialist became the pejoratives. Socialism has markets, but they're not at all free as they're tightly controlled. They prefer the term "planned economy" but in practice it's just a command economy: Somebody deci
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Why do you think that socialism has to involve the government, besides things like enforcing contracts.
From the American Heritage dictionary,
Merriam-Webster is usually my go-to because it actively follows the language as it's used, which is the meaning of a living dictionary. That aside, it does involve the government, and I'll show you why in a second. The reason why you guys often hate using the word government is because, under the original Marxist thought, the state is supposed to wither away, because laws are bad, and some other reasons, and crime only exists because of capitalism. Having said that:
means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government
The alternative to a government being a "c
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I don't think I've ever seen so many strawmen built on weird assumptions trying to argue that a credit union is communist and belonging to one means trying to get rid of the government. I think you need some deprogramming or at least some education. I mean to be so down on Groucho Marx, I mean it's true I got conditioned by watching You Bet Your Life as a youngster but you act like it's the worse thing ever.
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They are Social Democracies - capitalism heavily influenced by socialism. Heavy taxes on the wealthy and corporations to fund universal free public services - healthcare, higher education, retirement, etc. Or what I would refer to as "lite socialism".
'everybody works if they possibly can.'
Not true, and also generally a bad practice. People aren't the same and they aren't machines. Most people want to, or are willing to, do work. However, most people do not like feeling like their work is meaningless. A lot of jobs can feel meaningless because yo
IF we elected leaders who could succeed ... (Score:2)
If everyone paid more in taxes, we wouldn't have to be nickel and dimed for all the piecemeal options that the government (or life) forces people to have - healthcare, insurances, etc.
If we elected leaders won could succeed in building things or fixing things, it we measured politicians by accomplishments rather than by posturing and having good intentions, we could fix things with the tax money already being spent and not need to raise more taxes.
Spending is not the problem, Other countries spend less and have better results because there is accountability.
Gavin Newsom failed in his promises as major. Then ran for governor and won, and failed in his promises as governor. Now he is
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The audit was bullshit and not at all legit. He cut actively needed and used agencies that were already small parts of the budget instead of going after the bloat like military and overseas spending. Musk is a fucking retard who knows nothing about money or the responsible spending of it. His company and his customers got everything they deserved.
As far as the Trump assassinations - fakes. At least two of them are anyway. Nobody is that "lucky" nor is the Secret Service that "bad" at their jobs. Trump is a
Re: IF we elected leaders who could succeed ... (Score:1)
Um.. what are you smoking ? I want that for this weekend
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Weed and cold, hard truth.
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The audit was bullshit and not at all legit. He cut actively needed and used agencies that were already small parts of the budget instead of going after the bloat like military and overseas spending. Musk is a fucking retard who knows nothing about money or the responsible spending of it. His company and his customers got everything they deserved.
As far as the Trump assassinations - fakes. At least two of them are anyway. Nobody is that "lucky" nor is the Secret Service that "bad" at their jobs. Trump is a conman (like most Republicans) and these assassinations "attempts" are all part of the con.
And if you don't believe me, then why is this opinion modded to -1 instantly, before any human is even allowed to read it?
Probably because your actively wrong about almost everything.
DOGE didn't have the power to cut anything. It had the power to look for waste, fraud, and abuse, and recommend cuts. Every administration has promised to cut waste, fraud, and abuse. This time cuts actually happened.
Modded -1 doesn't prevent anyone from reading your insanity.
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Ooooh you're Trumptarded
About what?
The limits of DOGE power?
What presidential candidates have promised to do about waste, fraud, and abuse?
That cuts were made?
That the poster is a nutcase?
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It had the power to look for waste, fraud, and abuse, and recommend cuts.
And DOGE's recommendations were all bullshit. None of them focused on cuts to actually bloated parts of the government. If anything DOGE recommendations invited more bloat and corruption into the government than ever before. DOGE should have made recommendations that led to a leaner, faster, more efficient government, but that didn't happen because literally no one with DOGE was qualified to do any of that.
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I'm for some taxes on the rich instead of nearly no taxes for the rich. That's the compromise I'm willing to accept, but for some people that's not good enough.
With an inability to print its own money, states need revenue in order to provide services to its people. Often the services are an obligation under the state constitution (such as California's education budget).
But ultimately my income tax here isn't the issue. Even the property tax isn't too bad, because it's fixed at a very low rate. It's that the
Re: Everyone is moving to TX or FL (Score:2, Troll)
Regardless, unless you're homeless, the state absolutely goes out of its way to make you feel a financial sting. A jizya, more or less. The housing costs are just another means of that, which the state has more control over than most people realize, which primarily comes in the form of overregulation.
Just to build a house, you're looking at a minimum of two years of permitting, likely even 3 years, possibly more. That's also not cheap, and you haven't even broken ground. And guess what else? The environment
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"More taxes for the rich" historically graduates to "more taxes everybody."
That may be true (citation needed), but lowering taxes for the rich definitely translates to higher taxes for everybody else.
Frankly though, I don't care if my taxes go up a few percent. It's the least of my expenses. What's breaking the budget is everything else. Like, the things that government is supposed to help with. The things that taxes are supposed to pay for. Healthcare, transportation, schooling.
I've been told that "affordability" is a word liberals invented because they hate Trump, but I'm just w
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That may be true (citation needed), but lowering taxes for the rich definitely translates to higher taxes for everybody else.
Go look up why Francois Hollande ended up lobbying to repeal his own 75% top end tax that was his campaign promise after talking about how much he hated the rich, then tell me exactly why you still think this.
But keep repeating history if it makes you happy.
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OTOH, America's golden age was at a time when the top tax bracket was up around 90%.
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Nobody ever paid 90% top-end in this country. That also began during the great depression and WWII, so I don't see where you're getting the idea that it was some sort of "golden age".
Though I guess it depends on your perspective. Socialists and fascists alike certainly thought this about that period. The depression was "proof" to them that capitalism had failed, and saw the rise in power of the USSR, along with the holodomore, the gulag, and many other "necessary evils" to finally show the world that there
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It's the Conservatives who label the 50-60's America's golden age. You're right that no one paid the 90% top end. Instead they paid their workers better, put money back into their business and such which led to a fairly robust spread of wealth and the average person doing OK financially.
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Texans don't pay the highest taxes in the country
Texas has among the highest effective property tax rates in the country. People moving there from out of state are fucking Texans on fixed incomes, it's a rather big deal because the legislature has to continually apply bandaids. Also ranked 14th for sales tax, not cheap. No income tax, they just get it other ways. Not knowing the property tax situation while claiming it's cheap, especially in this context is really fucking ignorant. Every tech bro from CA or NY that moves to Texas raises property values an
Re:Everyone is moving to TX or FL (Score:4, Insightful)
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I'm curious, what is the reality? These companies are moving to Texas and Florida for *some* reason. If not for less regulation, what is it?
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Whatever the reasons are, they certainly won't benefit employees or residents.
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Maybe there's a mix. More jobs in those states, do benefit employees. Of course, those who lost jobs in the original state, did not benefit. So the benefits and costs are not evenly distributed.
My curiosity is what OP thought was the motivation if not less regulation.
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Judges. Texas is a very 'might makes right' state, judges and other officials are very friendly to corporations and affluent individuals, so people and companies that do not like the legal system protecting other people from them have been flocking there.
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Interesting theory. But it doesn't explain why regular people are flocking to Texas. If businesses in Texas are so horrible, no one would want to work for them, and they certainly wouldn't want to move to Texas to work for them.
I came to Texas in 1990 looking for work, and wasn't disappointed. The cost of living is low, taxes are low, and good jobs are plentiful. Maybe that has something to do with why people "flock" to Texas, and businesses go where the people are.
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That's not what Samsung mgmt will be selling the move on. They WILL try to convince some workers that the cost of living is lower, that buying a house and owning land in or around Plano will be within their reach, and that operating costs for the company will be lower, so they can pay the workers more, win win win win. Everybody wins. The reality is that Plano, Texas and Samsung win and workers will probably get bigger houses but inherit a bunch of Texas problems like unstable power grid, terrible education
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Fine, but why consolidate to...Texas? They could consolidate *anywhere*.
You're just internalizing advertising (Score:5, Interesting)
So of course they shouted from the rooftops when Oracle moved to Texas, but became remarkably coy about Oracle then moving from Texas to Tennessee [texasmonthly.com]. The Space Nazi also quietly moved a ton of people out after moving them there from California.
If you're actually curious and wish to align your intuition with reality, look at real numbers [census.gov]. You'll find the "California drain" is real - more people have been moving from California to Texas than the reverse for a while now. But California has been growing at a rate as to make that not matter. As far as their bullshit about taxes, Texas is indeed less tax-heavy on rich people, but taxes poor and middle class people significantly higher, like all southern states. And you might like the idea of their "not zoning" zoning. Unless you buy in Houston, Dallas and San Antonio, in which case I hope you can find flood insurance.
For my part, I'd encourage MAGAtypes to do their part to convince more California billionaires to move to Texas. We have too many, and they're almost all snotty, whiny, annoying little shits.
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I'm curious, what is the reality? These companies are moving to Texas and Florida for *some* reason. If not for less regulation, what is it?
Backroom deals. 100%. Texas is starting some new kind of business court system, with judges hand picked by the governor not elected. It's courting (no pun) these kinds of moves for sure.
That's why they don't want to talk about it.
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While it's true that Texas has unelected business court judges, this is not unusual. ALL Federal judges are unelected, and many states have judges who are appointed by the governor or otherwise unelected. This is not unique to Texas. For that matter, I believe that elections are a poor way to select judges for any purpose, since this makes them subject to the political winds of the day.
There was nothing secret about the creation of the new business court. There is nothing that suggests this court is designe
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I think you just agreed with me.
Lower employee wages, weaker employee rights, weaker enforcement of any laws or regulations
I think that's a nice definition of "less regulation."
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And, still... even with $4T GDP, they can't afford to fund anything, do anything about drugs (you can exchange your used needles for clean ones for free, so you can shoot up drugs without reusing one! Maybe make it harder for druggies to get their hands on needles :-) ), fix the homeless issue, maybe spread the wealth to poorer states.
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Common sense: get rid of the drugs, and they don't need needles! There, problem solved.
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While we're at it, lets just get rid of crime and then we wont need cops! See I can solve problems too!
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Texas is in the top 20 states for violent crime. Florida is 31. (from whatever source this [wikipedia.org] used)
I'd argue that Mississippi and New Hampshire have better gun laws than Texas (and Florida is not even worth considering), and both have far less violent crime than either.
Although I value fresh air, ocean breeze, coastal hiking, fresh produce, cool music scene, and more over gun laws for places I prefer to live. So as long as I can afford to live on the central coast, I'm going to stay here.
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Texas is in the top 20 states for violent crime. Florida is 31.
New Jersey has a better (lower) crime rate than either of these states. But I don't think Samsung is moving its headquarters because of crime rates.
If it were about corporate tax rate, they'd move to South Dakota or Wyoming (0% corporate tax rate), although I will point out many companies hardly pay anything in corporate taxes (https://itep.org/88-profitable-corporations-paid-zero-income-tax-in-2025/) and usually even less in state taxes.
If it were about quality of life, they'd move to the Netherlands o
Re:Everyone is moving to TX or FL (Score:5, Interesting)
It's also that Texas has basically no worker protections at all, so anything scummy you want to do with your employees you can do. Too hot? You can force them to keep working. If they drop dead, well, a token amount.
You want to lay off half the workforce? Go right ahead, you don't have to do anything about it or even give any money. Just toss their ass onto the sidewalk and be done with it.
You know, got to avoid the whole situation that happened in Korea.
Re: Everyone is moving to TX or FL (Score:2)
The fuck it is.
A, the crime rate in Texas is not great, nor is it in any poor rural area
B, to actually enjoy the use of your guns you're better off in literally any northern or middle? state. Texas is hot as fucking balls, and there is a hilarious number of plants that are always trying to stab you. Put some sneakers on and try running through the trees, tell me how fucking awesome Texas is to own a gun in. By the way, want to hunt? Go pay some guy named Dusty to use his stocked ranch. It's like fishing in
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If that were true then why don't they move to somewhere like India?
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There is no employment-at-will in India. If companies prefer to follow the law in India (Which a lot of them don't) You have to have a specific reason to fire them (Just Cause).
It's not regulations (Score:2, Insightful)
Also you have to report the mass firings. Texas lets you sweep them under the rug.
I'm saying don't move. You'll be fired in a year.
You can't race to the bottom
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Poverty and lower cost of living has more to do with it. Manufacturers trying to minimize labor costs will go to so-called shithole countries to save money.
Research, engineering, science based businesses will also go where people can be hired cheaply, but if an insufficient number are available they will go where people with education and experience live.
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They're moving back after they realize they're going without electricity for a week or two, most years. And their house floods. And they're sitting 3 hours a day in traffic.
I'm fine with that, we're too full in Houston anyway. We don't have the infrastructure even to support the current population. If more people are desired, that's going to take a lot of expense and a lot of building. We could have started tackling the traffic and flooding problems decades ago, but chose not to.
There are decades of infrast
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more like texas gave samsung a billion dollars in incentives to operate there... if any state offered a BILLION in incentives to keep 1,000 employees... they deserve to burn down
when you don't collect taxes, curious where all that money will be coming from
The race to the bottom has begun (Score:5, Insightful)
Low taxes, low responsibility, low worker protection standards are always welcome by senior management.
Too bad they leave only scorched earth in their wake.
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More likely Trump made another "offer" that wasn't to be refused.
Re: The race to the bottom has begun (Score:2)
yeah it's all Trump's fault, everything is his fault. We just need more politics here thanks for coming
It literally is Trump's fault Texas started this whole mid-decade redistricting sweeping the country. It is literally Trump's fault that a man like Ken Paxton is his party's U.S. Senate nominee. I'll even say it's Trump's fucking fault that wierd Shamwow guy from the 90s is back and running for public office.
There isn't enough sand in Texas to bury your head deep enough to hide from the distinct possibility that Samsung's move involved some backroom dealings involving tariff threats or some other sweetheart
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Interestingly, here in Germany Samsung (and many other Korean companies) are located around Frankfurt/Main, a quite expensive location for the most part.
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Less fleeing and more consolidation (Score:3)
Higher costs and regulations are certainly a factor, but Samsung already has operations in Texas. It makes sense to consolidate those in these uncertain times.
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Texas gets just a little bit shittier than it already was.
Good for business owners, bad for employees (Score:2)
Off topic, but relevant to why they do this (Score:5, Informative)
Samsung is run by the most short sited, greedy people. Not surprising they abandoned NJ for an immediate benefit. I love their products, but they are literally destroying South Korea.
They created an internconnected network ownership system (company A owns 50% of company B that owns 50 of company A) that controls 15-23% of South Korean economy. They do so with a strong company-first culture, where the employees go out with their boss drinking on Friday night. At one point all night sessions were mandatory.
For some reason, people that go out drinking with their boss every Friday night never get married or have children. (Wow, who could figure that out....)
While South Korea does have mandatory child leave rules, no one USES them because if you do, you are seen as disloyal to the company and do not get promoted.
Their population is expected to be cut in half over the next 60 years. This will also mean that they will not have enough working young people to support the older generation, all within a decade.
Good news is that real estate prices should drop like a stone.
The main cause appears to be the idea of loyalty to the company and not to the family. Everyone puts their work first to the point that they do not have children.
(Note, the expense of raising a child does affect this trend as well, but the statistics show the problem is not married people refusing to have kids but instead people NOT getting married).
Samsung does make good products, but their culture is destroying their country.
Re:Off topic, but relevant to why they do this (Score:4, Informative)
Former Samsung employee here who has spent a lot of time in both the Seoul and Suwon (aka Digital City) offices and worked with a number of different teams.
This is mostly inaccurate.
- Short sighted and greedy depends on the org.
- Stating that employees go drinking with their bosses on a Friday night is not accurate (aka hoesik). In fact, Samsung implemented the "1-1-9 rule" (one location, one drink, 9pm cutoff) and later "1-1-2 rule" (2 hour dinner limit) to restrict mandatory drinking.
- Employees uses their parental leave all the time and in fact, pair it with their government provided parental leave to extend their time away. The con is when they return from parental leave, they sometimes have to find another org to work within at Samsung which means starting over.
- You are correct that despite the surge in birth rates in 2024 - 2025 which is really happened post Covid, that the overall population is still decreasing.
- Why people do not have children in Korea is mostly because women are forced to choose either career or family, while men must be breadwinners. Obviously there are other reasons why (cost of living, hagwon expenses, women often times have to do most of the childcaring work, etc.).
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The fact they had to make those rules is proof they USED to do it, and ALSO means the culture that created those rules still exist. Hoesik was/is a SYMPTOM of the problem, not the problem by itself.
Your description of the women is also true of 90% of western cultures. Women in the US, Europe, Australia are also forced to choose. But these other countries do NOT have anywhere near as bad a problem with population. As such it is incredibly foolish to believe it is the real cause.
You listed contributory fa
Samsung and Exxon fleeing New Jersey (Score:3)
Ah New Jersey (Score:1)
Also why Texas gains people (Score:4, Insightful)
Texans love to brag about how Californians and others keep moving to their state. They do not seem to understand that it is because their BOSS wants to move to Texas and they are moving for the job, not because they like Texas.
Then they get upset when the new citizens of Texas are all liberal and vote that way.