Donut Lab's 'Solid-State' Battery Exposed As Regular Li-Ion (electrek.co) 294
A battery researcher's investigation, backed by more than 20 independent experts, claims Donut Lab's much-hyped "solid-state" battery is actually a conventional lithium-ion cell, with voltage curves and expansion data matching high-nickel NCM chemistry rather than the promised sodium-ion solid-state design. Electrek reports the company raised about $25 million from more than 1,300 mostly small investors on claims of 400 Wh/kg energy density, 100,000-cycle life, and 5-minute charging that now appear unsupported. From the report: The investigation consulted over 20 independent battery experts, including Julian Zanau from the Fraunhofer Research Institute, Dr. Yahim San from Justus-Liebig University, Tom Bicha from Leona, and Dr. Yuo Hesca from Seinajoki University of Applied Sciences. Every single one confirmed the tested cell is lithium-ion. There are two key pieces of evidence. First, the voltage curves from VTT testing match high-nickel lithium-ion cells (NCM chemistry). The cell sits at 3.7-3.8 volts at 50% state of charge -- right where lithium-ion cells operate. Sodium-ion cells don't go significantly past 3.5 volts at 50% SOC.
The second piece of evidence is even more damning: VTT's cell expansion data. When a battery charges, ions squeeze into the anode material, causing it to expand in a predictable pattern. A graphite anode produces a distinctive "kink" in the expansion curve around 50-70% state of charge, caused by how ions reorder themselves in graphite's layered structure. The Donut Lab cell shows exactly that kink.
This is critical because sodium ions are physically too large to fit into graphite layers. The graphite anode signature proves the cell uses lithium ions. The investigation puts it well: "it's like we have a slightly noisy fingerprint and a picture of the suspect's face. And yet again, it's a match." The calculated energy density? About 298 Wh/kg -- what you'd expect from a good lithium-ion cell, not the 400 Wh/kg claimed.
The investigation reveals that the battery technology traces back to CT Coatings, a German company with an "eclectic" array of patents -- including inventions for screen-printed paving slabs, menu folders, and warning triangles. CT Coatings promised Nordic Nano and Donut Lab a screen-printed sodium-ion solid-state battery. What it delivered was a lithium-ion pouch cell.
The second piece of evidence is even more damning: VTT's cell expansion data. When a battery charges, ions squeeze into the anode material, causing it to expand in a predictable pattern. A graphite anode produces a distinctive "kink" in the expansion curve around 50-70% state of charge, caused by how ions reorder themselves in graphite's layered structure. The Donut Lab cell shows exactly that kink.
This is critical because sodium ions are physically too large to fit into graphite layers. The graphite anode signature proves the cell uses lithium ions. The investigation puts it well: "it's like we have a slightly noisy fingerprint and a picture of the suspect's face. And yet again, it's a match." The calculated energy density? About 298 Wh/kg -- what you'd expect from a good lithium-ion cell, not the 400 Wh/kg claimed.
The investigation reveals that the battery technology traces back to CT Coatings, a German company with an "eclectic" array of patents -- including inventions for screen-printed paving slabs, menu folders, and warning triangles. CT Coatings promised Nordic Nano and Donut Lab a screen-printed sodium-ion solid-state battery. What it delivered was a lithium-ion pouch cell.
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I assume it's the Ziroth video that's linked, I watched it yesterday. This is a little different than Theranos in that there's multiple companies involved, but yeah, fake it till you make it gone wrong once again. It sounds like at least at some point, Donut Labs genuinely believed that CT Coatings actually had a revolutionary battery tech, and would eventually be able to supply it to them, per leaked emails between the companies, and maybe the initial fakery by Donut was just trying to bridge the gap until CT Coatings delivered what they promised. However, it's also clear that as time went on, the aggressive fundraising by Donut from small investors for a product that they continued to have no proof even existed, and the continued false claims about what they actually had, became hugely problematic. Exactly who knew what when within Donut Labs and the other involved companies, and what legal thresholds may have been crossed, remains to be seen.
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Now I don't know what's going on here behind the scenes, or contractual stuff, so there may be stuff at play preventing what I described. I'd still be M-A-D as all heck at the damage it would do to my company and the thre
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Has nobody learned from Theranos? You canâ(TM)t slap a new label on old tech and call it revolutionary. Well, you can try. But thereâ(TM)ll be some angry investors out for your sprinklesâ¦
No, they haven't. Some of us are able to spot scams, others seem attracted to them like moths to a flame.
Took me about 10 minutes to know Theranos was a definite scam. A product too good to be scientifically true, An attractive woman using a falsetto to make her voice deeper, an adoring public more concerned about her being the first self made woman billionaire, a board of directors with only one person involved in biology (Ex CDC) . It was political, and politics doesn't trump physics.
Back to the soli
Elizabeth Holmes ws not an outlier (Score:5, Insightful)
"Fake it 'til you can make it... or at least until you can cash out" is the mantra of so many tech startups this millennium...
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"Fake it 'til you can make it... or at least until you can cash out" is the mantra of so many tech startups this millennium...
There isn’t an I in Sold State.
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Exactly, I would say plenty have learned from theranos, true innovation in money grabbing.
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Holmes *was* an outlier, in that she defrauded and embarrassed members of the ruling elite, and thus was punished for her fraud and lies. Had she done the same thing but picked her victims better, she'd have a successful and lucrative career.
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Holmes *was* an outlier, in that she defrauded and embarrassed members of the ruling elite, and thus was punished for her fraud and lies. Had she done the same thing but picked her victims better, she'd have a successful and lucrative career.
Once RFK Jr is out I genuinely would not be surprised to see Holmes get a pardon and HHS nomination.
Many smart people, very smart, have been saying she's been treated very badly by the Biden and the Dumocrats, very badly indeed, it's horrible what they do to people like her. The other day, a very big man, huge muscles, big supporter, he came up to me and he said with tears in his eyes, Sir, he said, I was very sick, and he told me but I shouldn't say with what, but do you know what he did? He took just a drop of his blood, just one, teeny drop, and he gave it to Thanos and bip bop bip! Testicular cancer totally gone! And now they put her in jail, Elizabeth they call her. Holmes, like a certain, detective, maybe you've heard of Sherlock? And Mr. Watson. Like Sherlock Holmes and Watson. Dr. Watson. Very famous detectives, my uncle knew them he said, they solved crimes, many, many crimes and everyone said couldn't ever be solved by anyone. He found Jack the Ripper and made him stop his crime spree. Slashing dead women and blood everywhere. People say he saved New York, and I believe it. Sherlock Holmes. So beautiful, so smart, beautiful, blue eyes, some people say she looks like Ivanka. And it's horrible conditions, they don't give her anything to eat, almost nothing at all, and she'll be there, in solitary, for 50, 60, maybe 90 years. Some people are saying maybe it's forever. She won't look like anything when she gets out, and the drops of blood, they can't save anyone. It's so unfair what they do to people like her.
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This one contents for the Elizabeth Holmes Award of 2026!
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When the lawyers arrive Donut will run the defence that they didn't have the intention of scamming investors, it's just that the investment failed because they believed CT's lies. CT will say that they didn't lie, but it's all a misunderstanding, and anyway, we relied on a guy we met in a bar. The directors will blame the CEO and the board papers will omit any useful details.
Someone got the money though.
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Extra sad that the money came from mostly small investors - they typically can't afford to get ripped off like this.
If they can't get their money back, they should each get to give 3 face punches AND 3 groin kicks to the Donut Labs and CT Coatings CEOs.
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The runaway trend of the corporate sector doubling down on various scams, lock-ins, and bait-and-switch operations long predates the Trump regime. I hope this administration is the apex of the grift, and that the whole shell game falls apart soon. But I fear that this fire won't be put out until modern civilization is a burned-out husk.
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Welcome to the world, where everything these days is a scam. EVERYTHING.
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Makes me feel like maybe, sometimes, you can't trust what is on teh internet tubes.
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Version 1.0 will be the solid state version, of course!
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No need to test voltage curves and expansion data. Take a good old fashioned saw to it, and the composition of the battery will become quite apparent.
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But now nobody will trust them any more. So, screwed, they are.
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https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/26/06/06/1932216/new-power-banks-released-by-bmx-with-safer-semi-solid-state-batteries
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if you are saying you are coming up with a battery, and people ask, you need a battery.
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And you can cry about EV all you want, the bank account shows how little is spent on EV recharging vs gas. So have fun with that.
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Look, I get it, you personally don't like EVs. There are plenty of ICE vehicles for you to choose from, you don't have to be so aggressively disdainful every time anyone mentions that their EV experience is nice.
Cost to install an EVSE for me was about $800, a *far* cry from the $7500 of the tax credit, and I find it hard to believe that any EVSE install would have gone that expensive. If anyone actually quoted that, then they are either trying to rip someone off or don't actually want to do the job and wants to scare a customer off. I could have just installed a NEMA 15-50 for less to go with the bundled mobile charger too, but I just wanted the fastest possible supported charge, which in retrospect I probably should have just done an outlet, would have been cheaper and more flexible and *plenty* fast for my needs.
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A properly-functioning EV can't be overcharged. . . .
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But yet again. You can't say that 120V is fine for everyone, only that it is fine for you.
And the colors of EVs? That's another reason you can use to not buy them.
At least your life has purpose, denigrating EV's You are doing God's work. At least the God of the Amish.
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But yet again. You can't say that 120V is fine for everyone, only that it is fine for you.
But you are provably wrong. The average American drives 33-37 miles while spending 16hours per day at home. Even low efficiency EV getting 2.5 miles/kWh like large SUV and trucks charge in 8 hours. This means that home charging off a wall outlet meets nearly everyone’s needs, even ginormous oversized American vehicles off our anemic 120V plugs. The idea that it’s not feasible is a lie, nothing more.
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Sounds contrived like everything else you say. There's nothing about "small to medium cities" that makes electricians rare or unscrupulous.
The fact is that your argument regarding your "dad's" failed purchase is bullshit from the beginning. Maybe a wait was 6 weeks, so what? I had an EV for years without a level 2 charger. Virtually every driver can manage 6 weeks, those that can't wouldn't consider EV in the first place. Yours is just another bullshit story you are famous for.
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Contractors tend to be a lot cheaper and easier to get in big cities. In small to medium cities there is a shortage. You wait for a month and even then they may not show up. They know they have you over a barrel so they overcharge.
Another reason to not buy an EV posted by the man who says he doesn't hate them.
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I moved into a new home beginning of this year. I installed an 80A EVSE, total cost was about $1200 for installation and equipment. That is low but only about 2 feet of wire was required. I got a "Cybertruck" EVSE for half price because they couldn't sell them despite the only difference being color. (Crizzl-E 80A Cyber for those interested)
The house came with an EV plug already installed in the garage, but the installers used aluminum wire for the circuit. I asked if the wire could be upgraded to copp
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Aluminum wire for an EV plug should work just fine, as long as it's installed properly (and that's not difficult).
Was it maybe too small a gauge for your requirements?
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Look, I get it, you personally don't like EVs. There are plenty of ICE vehicles for you to choose from, you don't have to be so aggressively disdainful every time anyone mentions that their EV experience is nice.
Cost to install an EVSE for me was about $800, a *far* cry from the $7500 of the tax credit, and I find it hard to believe that any EVSE install would have gone that expensive. If anyone actually quoted that, then they are either trying to rip someone off or don't actually want to do the job and wants to scare a customer off. I could have just installed a NEMA 15-50 for less to go with the bundled mobile charger too, but I just wanted the fastest possible supported charge, which in retrospect I probably should have just done an outlet, would have been cheaper and more flexible and *plenty* fast for my needs.
The tax credit thing is just weird. I find EV's to be in the area of normalcy, Not a base model Toyota Corolla, nor a Bugatti Veyon. But in teh price range of normal buyers. And no, despite the claims that there aer a handful go billionaires while the rest of 'Murricans Are dying in the streets, there are many people in the middle class who can afford an EV without guvmint help.
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You can charge from a normal 120v outlet just fine.
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"Doesn't make up for the inconveniences or more people would be buying them."
It sure does, you are just pretending that there aren't offsetting conveniences which there are. And people don't buy merely on conveniences, that's another piece of your intentional misinformation.
"My dad almost bought one because the government grants brought them down close to the price of an ICE but then he found out there was a month and a half wait to get a charger installed and the installation cost was going to eat more th
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If every wealthy person on earth did the right thing, our environment would still be fucked, because they're vastly outnumbered by non-wealthy people.
If every wealthy person on earth did the right thing, then our available actions would be more environmentally inoffensive, because the decisions of the wealthy control all of our lives.
I think it'd be far more intellectually honest to admit you just don't care.
It'd be far more intellectually honest to admit you're simping for billionaires because you admire them than to blame The People for living in the world those fucks have bought.
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Journeys in my EV are stress free and easy. It's only people who don't own one, or who live in some third world shithole without any functional electricity infrastructure, who think otherwise.
Anyway, even if these guy's lies were true, they aren't even that impressive. BYD has been shipping cars with a 5 minute recharge time for a while, and the MW class chargers to go with them.
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or who live in some third world shithole without any functional electricity infrastructure, who think otherwise.
Dude, he lives in Canada, which isn't...oh, erm...nevermind.
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or who live in some third world shithole without any functional electricity infrastructure, who think otherwise.
Dude, he lives in Canada, which isn't...oh, erm...nevermind.
And didn't someone call him MAGA? Didn't know they had a Canadian Chapter.
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Honestly, you bellowing at the family that they need to run because you've only budgeted 5 minutes in your schedule for this rest stop sounds like much less of a vacation than a chilled out trip in an EV.
If work need me to go somewhere for a meeting they pay for a hire car to avoid insurance issues, or send me via public transport - why would you put miles on your own vehicle?
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Probably less than the time you spend in every bloody EV discussion on slashdot. Do you get paid for it or did an EV touch you in an inappropriate way?
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Zero time spent planning. Get in car and drive until I need to stop for comfort, plug in while I get a coffee and use the loo, carry on driving. Last time I had to wait for a charger was in 2015, every motorway service area has loads of them, and in the unlikely event that they were all in use I'd just carry on to the next one, or use the sat nav to find a nearby alternative. Google Maps shows how many chargers are in use as live data so you can see if the one you are headed for is free, and these days it's
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What a load of crap. From "motorway" I'll assume you're a brit like me. Everytime I stop at motorway service stations the chargers are always busy and good luck finding many off the motorway network. Also no doubt you have the luxury of a home drive + charger. Those of us who live in terraced houses or flats don't have that option so using an expensive public charger would be the only choice and within a mile radius of my house there are SEVEN chargers that I know of - always busy - and I live in a city, no
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This is so trivial to disprove. Here's just chargers on the Electroverse network: https://electroverse.com/commu... [electroverse.com]
Click on them for realtime occupancy data. Right now, most of them are free everywhere I checked. And those are just the Electroverse ones, it doesn't even include networks not on that scheme like Tesla.
For terrace houses the government has now said that pavement gullies are the way to go and councils must allow them. It's not idea, things rarely are in the UK, but it's not nearly as bad as you
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Yeah, plenty of space. If you look at the typical sites at service areas, they just place them between parking spaces, and there is plenty of room. Of course more sites are appearing regularly too, typically not far off a junction on the motorway. Tesla went for those sites first, so often you can save a bit of money by taking a sub 1 minute detour.
It's basically the same as in a fossil, the only planning you might do is where is best to get refreshments.
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Get in line for an Aptera, then.
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Care to name one?
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Ok well in the places I drive in Canada there are mostly one pump towns. I don't see any charging stations anywhere.
Then why are you spreading hate and derision? There are apparently 0 charging stations where you live, so there should be no EV's.
You could simply not there are none in Canada, and be done with it. Then again....https://chargehub.com/en/countries/canada.html
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Looking at Alma, right now there are a fair few rapid chargers in the range 150-350kW, and most of them are unoccupied. One has a fault reported. There are also lots of rapid chargers in nearby towns and along the major highways.
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That question includes a "when", "when" implies an element of time. There is no reason to think the answer couldn't be yes, that's what infrastructure planning is. But as usual for you, more lizard-brained arguments.
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And here the story has changed. Before, it was BEV if only the local electricians didn't suck. Now it's because all my driving is highway driving where DC charging is needed every day. Whatever argument suits the outcome.
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And here the story has changed. Before, it was BEV if only the local electricians didn't suck. Now it's because all my driving is highway driving where DC charging is needed every day. Whatever argument suits the outcome.
Don't forget, the claim of no charging stations. Or buying an EV on urination vs charging time.
Oh well, he is a bit entertaining. I had a girlfriend like this once, kept making up more and more outlandish "reasons" for her being right during a discussion. Some people have such a strong "need to be right" that they transform from rational beings to amusing irrational ones.
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A Plug-in Hybrid may be a good option for people who have to make the occasional longer trip. Some models can do over 100km on the battery, which means that for typical users the vast majority of shopping trips and daily commutes will
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Journeys in my EV are stress free and easy. It's only people who don't own one, or who live in some third world shithole without any functional electricity infrastructure, who think otherwise.
Anyway, even if these guy's lies were true, they aren't even that impressive. BYD has been shipping cars with a 5 minute recharge time for a while, and the MW class chargers to go with them.
The main difference is an apparent range anxiety that resists cure. And perhaps inability to adapt to a different fueling (charging) paradigm.
In an ICE vehicle, You drive some distance until the tank is near empty, then find a gas station and fill up. Some only fuel up when the light comes on.
Proper use of an EV involves regular topping. We even have chargers in our state parks that have electricity. And you don't use them from depleted to full charge - you could, but that would be bad planning - you
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Range anxiety is a real thing, and people massively over-estimate distances. By a factor of 2-2.5, in my experience.
When I've done extended trips away from home, I haven't had any issues. Just charge when I happen to be somewhere that has a charger.
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The EV industry seems to be full of lies. Every proponent will tell you the EV is the best thing in the world but they won't tell you the pain they go through just to go on a trip. Then they tell you the solid state battery is coming. Apparently it isn't.
I've been on two road trips since buying my Tesla, and I've never had to do any special preparation beyond bringing a weekend bag, same as I did with the Camry.
Actually, come to think of it, just to get a reasonable price on gas in California meant more preparation than I've had to do with my Tesla:
- Go to the last Costco out of LA county to get gas, which is upwards of a ten plus minute wait before you even begin fueling, then another 5 minutes fueling.
- The above is often (not always) required to make it to the morongo gas station at the Indian reservation so you don't have to pay the absurd California gas taxes.
- Immediately after reaching the Arizona border, fill up for even less than the Indian reservation cost even though IT'S THE SAME FUCKING GAS as the station on the California side of the border, half a mile down the road, at a 30-40% savings.
Tesla on the other hand looks a bit more like this:
- When I get in the car, the tank is already 95% full, because the day before, I let it charge to 100% while I was charging for free at work.
- Somewhere in Riverside county, park at the supercharger and just plug it in. No card or anything like that, just..plug it in. Walk over to the gas station, take a piss, buy a $2 fountain drink, by the time I walk back to my car, it's charged enough to make it to Maricopa county. Sure, it took ten minutes, but most of the time I was walking, not babysitting the gas pump, which was good to fight off the highway fatigue that was already setting in.
- Arrive at a supercharger in Maricopa county, it happens to be next to a Carl's Jr, which is convenient because I'm kind of hungry after what is so far a 5 hour trip. Line up, get a burger, eat it, car charged to 80% 10 minutes before I finished my burger, overall a 25 minute stop, which was a lot more than I actually needed to make it the rest of the way to Phoenix.
The supercharger is kind of expensive, and I spent $25 between the two charges, which is just under half of what that would cost me in my Camry. But at least they're priced mostly the same. If you're supercharging late at night or before noon, the price is less than half of what is already less than half.
You see, if you live in a developed country, where houses are built from lumber instead of snow, you can get this thing we call "electricity" basically anywhere. For this particular trip, there's at least 10 superchargers along the i10 that I didn't need to use. In other words, an ample supply. They're literally fucking everywhere.
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Now there's a sound argument.
How depressing must it be to be this guy?
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Lol, the place you charge doesn't even have a washroom?
Perhaps the purpose of your life is to serve as random laughs for us.
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Well I don't know how you wildlings do your business, but traditionally in developed countries, parking lots don't have washrooms. For that, you typically walk into a structure of some kind. Ideally, one with indoor plumbing. We don't have outhouses here, or even igloos for that matter, so think beyond that. More broadly, we expect a bit more than just a hole in the ground, and something besides snow to wipe with.
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What I want is for them to get a solid sleep the night before and not take drugs that make them drowsy. If they did that then the frequency of breaks don't matter.
ICE vehicles are at the forefront of the anti-drug movement. You are the gift that keeps gifting.
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Same. I have a 185 mile round trip commute that is served perfectly by my EV. We do 100% of our around-town driving in it, day trips an hour+ away, 99.9% of our driving is served by the trusty EV. I have gone on ~600 mile trips that have required two charging stops, and you know what, it's nice to take a 25 minute break every few hours anyway. Plug in, go grab a snack, sit at the picnic tables, enjoy my meal, walk around, relax, then go another leg. 99% of the arguments against EVs are specious and rely on
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Another example contrived for a narrative. Who considers a "see as much of Canada in five days" as THE important aspect of a BEV purchase decision? You are an idiot.
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This is what you mean. You say "only charged two times" like it is inconsequential. Maybe it is for you but that is murder for anyone on a schedule who is trying to see as much of Canada as possible in five days and no more.
Ah, so the tourism industry recommend only petrofueld vehicles. Thank you for the entertainment.
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... for you.
But we really love your unhinged replies - thank you for the lulz
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"The EV industry seems to be full of lies."
Or you are.
"...but they won't tell you the pain they go through just to go on a trip."
They sure do, but trips are occasional use and EVs are superior for everyday use. People who need a lot of long distance travel should consider whether EVs are a good choice. Literally everyone knows that, but lying about it suits your narrative.
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"Every EV owner I talk to tells me their car is great and how pleasant the ownership experience is; clearly they're all in an organized conspiracy to lie" is.... certainly quite the take you have there.
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Trust fluffernutter to choose an article about small scale battery charging banks to once again rant about his hatred of EVs.
Then they tell you the solid state battery is coming. Apparently it isn't.
Solid state batteries are things that exist and have existed for a decade already. The fact that this company lied about using them isn't evidence of them not existing, heck it actually isn't even evidence of this one company not producing them, because they absolutely do and independent labs have tested and played with them already. But beyond just Donut Labs selling you a fraudulent
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Doesn't hurt, it's just disappointing that people keep falling for what seem to me such obvious scams. People are so desperate for the "Plucky Inventor Overturns An Industry's Premises" narrative.
Honestly, I somewhat suspect that most of the people involved in this fraud didn't actually know it's a fraud, or at least didn't actually know the full extent of it. You have a struggling electric motorcycle maker with what seems like genuinely decent electric motorbike, who thinks that if they can get a battery
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