German Court Holds Google Liable For False AI Overview Answers (the-decoder.com) 93
A Munich regional court has ruled (PDF) that Google can be held directly liable for false claims in AI Overviews. The case involved AI Overviews falsely linking two publishers to scams and shady business practices, with the court rejecting Google's argument that users could simply check the sources themselves. The Decoder reports: Google's AI overviews work nothing like traditional search results, the court argues. The AI rewrites and judges results "in its own words and according to its own structure," the ruling says. In the case at hand, for example, it opened with confident claims like "Yes, [company] is known for dubious business practices," then built its own structure with a summary, red flags for the alleged scam, and tips for users. The court also found that the AI overview made claims "that are not even made in the search results." None of the linked sources drew any connection between the plaintiffs and the shady companies the AI mentioned. The court called these "the defendant's own statements." Google built the AI, Google offered it to users, so Google owns what it produces, "because it alone has influence over the AI's offering and the algorithms with which the AI operates."
The court also examined existing rulings from Germany's Federal Court of Justice (BGH), which gave traditional search engines and autocomplete limited liability. The BGH had argued that search engine operators were only liable as indirect infringers because they merely made third-party content findable. A proactive duty to check results would threaten how search engines work. The Munich court found that this reasoning doesn't apply to AI overviews. A regular search engine just points to outside websites. But AI overviews generate "independent, new, and substantive statements" by evaluating and combining content from various third-party sites. And only Google can check those statements, the court said, "at least by comparing the underlying third-party websites with its own statements based on them." The court also noted that the AI overview is "by no means absolutely necessary" for using the internet. Traditional search results already help users sort through information, the AI overview is just an extra feature. At the hearing, Google argued that users could check the linked sources themselves to verify if the AI summary was correct. It also said that these users knew "that information generated with AI should not be blindly trusted." The court rejected this.
The court also examined existing rulings from Germany's Federal Court of Justice (BGH), which gave traditional search engines and autocomplete limited liability. The BGH had argued that search engine operators were only liable as indirect infringers because they merely made third-party content findable. A proactive duty to check results would threaten how search engines work. The Munich court found that this reasoning doesn't apply to AI overviews. A regular search engine just points to outside websites. But AI overviews generate "independent, new, and substantive statements" by evaluating and combining content from various third-party sites. And only Google can check those statements, the court said, "at least by comparing the underlying third-party websites with its own statements based on them." The court also noted that the AI overview is "by no means absolutely necessary" for using the internet. Traditional search results already help users sort through information, the AI overview is just an extra feature. At the hearing, Google argued that users could check the linked sources themselves to verify if the AI summary was correct. It also said that these users knew "that information generated with AI should not be blindly trusted." The court rejected this.
Sensible ruling (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re: Sensible ruling (Score:1)
Isn't that when they assign you to a caste? I.e. Hauptschule, Realschule, or Gymnasium. Or does that come later?
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The parents decide to which school you should go.
And the school decides if they take the kids, based on previous performance / grades.
No idea how that works in your country ...
Re: Sensible ruling (Score:1)
Oh, we don't have a caste system. For example, there isn't any school system where we only teach software developers about linkedlists.
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Correct, we teach about everything that can be covered in school. ... or what your caste system bullshit is,
Often up to university level.
For example my "Gymnasium" taught me everything to be a Batchelor when I entered University.
So still no idea what your linked list example are about
I guess your grandpa and pa were brave men and fought the Nazis and both got killed, and now all Germans, born decades after the war are your enemy?
Sorry, I have better things to do than hunting armored dragons.
Re: Sensible ruling (Score:2)
Oh don't worry, they've already been hunting you guys. As you said, your family fought for the nazis. The rat lines may have gone cold, but they haven't quite reached their terminus. You fled to Thailand. If you harbored, you could end up on a linkedlist.
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The few of my family that were drafted into the war, did not fight for the Nazis. They fought for survival.
The only one relevant was the grand father of my mother, he committed suicide the day after Hitler got to power. As he was a former follower of the Emperor, and survived WWI in the trenches. He could not imagine to live with a pig like Hitler on the same soil. He was a officer in the (still royal) post (mail) office.
My grandmother became a "super Christian" as she ran for shelter during the bombings in
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The few of my family that were drafted into the war, did not fight for the Nazis. They fought for survival.
That's what you all say. Especially during the Nuremberg trials. Generally you guys fall into one of three camps:
1. Rationalize it <-- you are here
2. Lie about it
3. Confess to what they did (this is rare)
My grandmother became a "super Christian" as she ran for shelter during the bombings into the Dom.
Yes, nazi land got bombed, I already know this. My forbearers were the ones bombing it. And after the conquest, my country had to occupy yours for the long haul until denazification was complete. We also spent billions over the next 40 years to keep you from being completely overrun by Stalin and his suc
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You know nothing about my family.
Non of them were at a trial.
Stupid idiot.
Re: Sensible ruling (Score:2)
Like I said, you believe the wermacht was clean.
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Well, the heat is off - going forwards, the world is switching from Nazis to ItsNotReali zionists - videogames, films etc to allow people to experience ItsNotReal virtually - so fun.
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The technology isn't mature enough to consider accurate on its own and without human oversight. I'm not sure this is a good ruling - maybe a disclaimer ought to be enough. I never trust AI Overviews, but they do tend to offer a solid basic understanding.
Re:Sensible ruling (Score:5, Insightful)
The technology isn't mature enough to consider accurate on its own and without human oversight.
And Google knows this, yet gives it prominent placement in front of everything else. That is implicit endorsement of what it is saying, so it is the same as Google saying it. Holding Google responsible is indeed a good ruling.
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Google has the choice to have a button called "probably incorrect summary" opening the "AI overview", or placing the "AI overview" prominently expecting the user to blindly trust it and be done. Or any other way.
No-one is forcing them which way to implement this. But their choice makes a huge difference in how authoritative a user will find the summary. And no, a disclaimer is not enough. A disclaimer is irrelevant as long as the summary is placed in a spot of prominence and the page design deliberately lea
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Even more rigorous standards should be applied to AI due to the way people have been conditioned to trust the previously, relatively deterministic output of machines.
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Indeed. But from all the deranged comments below, you can deduce that a ton of people are so deep in AI psychosis now that they have lost all contact to reality. Hence they cannot even understand something as clear and simple as this ruling, they have lost the mental capability for that.
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Then nobody could tweet/post/display FICTION. But
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Makes sense. The same standards apply to humans. If we were to tweet something completely made up, there is a chance of legal troubles. So should be the same for AI
Have you ever tweeted something completely made up? What happened? Or, if you haven't done it, what do you think would happen? Suppose, for example, that you tweeted out a claim that "Coca-Cola contains extract of ground-up baby brains". What do you think the legal consequences of that (horrendous!) claim would be?
There is an important legal distinction that this court chose to ignore, which is that you're only liable for incorrect information if it's reasonable to expect that people would believe that
Google's flawed arguments (Score:5, Insightful)
Google's argument that users could simply check the sources themselves
So why didn't their super-duper-smart AI do that itself when spitting out the answers then? Wouldn't a GAN solve this - apparently not possible for a $trillion company.
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as does google
As does google do, as does google not do, or as does google do do?
Re: Germans have zero common sense (Score:2)
Rhey did this 90-ish years ago and learned their lesson.
After having witnessed that, and having access to the same learning material... USA, the home of Google, is reimplementing this same bullshit. TODAY.
What's the excuse here?
Re: Germans have zero common sense (Score:2)
USA has a democratically elected fascist regime, you can't discuss around that.
Re: Germans have zero common sense (Score:2)
"The opposition" didn't have law enforcement shoot people in the face.
Re: Germans have zero common sense (Score:3)
Though they did shoot one guy in the back and another guy in the neck. They still sing praises about one of those shooters, and his victim wasn't even overtly political.
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It's not "overtly political" to lead a death board which decides who lives and who dies?
Is that really what you imagine?
I knew the US view on politics was warped, but dang son...
Re: Germans have zero common sense (Score:2)
Even if that were true (it's not) that has nothing to do with the shooter's motive. He was told by a doctor that he would not perform the surgery he asked for, and that no other doctor would either. Not a thing to do with insurance. Not a thing to do with "death boards". And actually, you're thinking of Canada:
https://www.independent.co.uk/... [independent.co.uk]
https://www.independent.co.uk/... [independent.co.uk]
Anyways, it didn't matter if he had a billion dollars, nobody would perform the surgery purely because doing so would have fallen und
Re: Germans have zero common sense (Score:2)
Oops, pasted the same link twice, here was the other one:
https://www.bmj.com/content/38... [bmj.com]
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That's some of the heaviest denial I've seen around here. You really imagine US health insurance isn't death panels for profit. I thought I'd seen the bottom of denial, but there's apparently some ways to go.
I'm so sorry for you.
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"The opposition" didn't have law enforcement shoot people in the face.
The opposition has assassinated someone challenging them to debates on a college campus, assassinated a CEO to wage political terror, etc.
The woman shot had hit the officer with her SUV. The man shot was armed with a pistol and got into a physical alteration with police. Could one of both of these officers overreacted? Sure, courts will sort that out. That fact remains that the two shot the useful idiots directly and intentionally provoking police and escalating things. They were not challenging people to
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"The opposition" didn't have law enforcement shoot people in the face.
The opposition has assassinated someone challenging them to debates on a college campus, assassinated a CEO to wage political terror, etc.
There you go again, painting "the opposition" as an identifiable group whose members all support the same actions and whose members are interchangeable.
Since Charlie's killer (conveniently, in my opinion) hasn't been found, what makes you so sure that he wasn't either killed by a random nutter or assassinated? There's credible speculation that it might have been a false-flag operation, while there's NO evidence or credible theory that he was killed by someone on the Left.
Also, most people on the Left conde
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"The opposition" didn't have law enforcement shoot people in the face.
The opposition has assassinated someone challenging them to debates on a college campus, assassinated a CEO to wage political terror, etc.
There you go again, painting "the opposition" as an identifiable group whose members all support the same actions and whose members are interchangeable.
If they promote the false nazi/fascist propaganda they are in effect encouraging this violence. It is something quite different from the name calling from the right. So yes, a large part of the left encourages the violence despite their protests otherwise. The left is inspiring violence in a way the right is not.
Since Charlie's killer (conveniently, in my opinion) hasn't been found, ...
Nope. He was captured and is awaiting trial.
\while there's NO evidence or credible theory that he was killed by someone on the Left.
Untrue, but also irrelevant. He was still inspired by the false nazi/fascist propaganda of the left.
Also, most people on the Left condemn Luigi Mangione's actions, even as we understand his frustration and anger.
The number of people on the left rationalizing violenc
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While the administration has many problems, fascism is not one of them.
So rounding up people who are in the country legally and throwing them in ICE detention centres isn't a Fascist activity? The denial of reality is strong in you.
Matter of fact, if any group is displaying fascist tendencies it is that opposition.
While the administration that you're defending is remarkably homogeneous when it comes to authoritarian and downright Fascist policies and actions, the "opposition" you refer to is not.
So-called Democrats like Jeffries and Schumer are Fascist-lite collaborators. Folks like Platner - the ones far enough Left to represent credible opposition to the Ep
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While the administration has many problems, fascism is not one of them.
So rounding up people who are in the country legally and throwing them in ICE detention centres isn't a Fascist activity? The denial of reality is strong in you.
The denial is yours, such incidents are extremely rare. There is no intentional targeting of legal residents unless a serious crime has been committed. Have there been screwups identifying someone, yes. That is a normal foulup of law enforcement makes every day separate from anything immigration related. If you have a green card, and are arrested and charged for a serious crime your green card may be revoked, losing the privilege of staying in the US.
Matter of fact, if any group is displaying fascist tendencies it is that opposition.
While the administration that you're defending is remarka
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... The US is not on one of those destructive paths. Ironically, the folks pushing the false narrative are also literally embracing a candidate with an honest-to-god nazi tattoo.
Found the gullible mainstream media dupe!
Ironically the people screaming fascist all the time are those acting the most fascist like.
Correction - found the gullible Fox News addict!
BTW, if you don't believe that Netanyahu is every bit the evil soulless Fascist that Hitler was - and if you also don't believe that every American who supports the current Israeli government is by extension a Fascist collaborator - then you're smoking way too much copium.
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... The US is not on one of those destructive paths. Ironically, the folks pushing the false narrative are also literally embracing a candidate with an honest-to-god nazi tattoo.
Found the gullible mainstream media dupe!
Read up on psychological projection.
Ironically the people screaming fascist all the time are those acting the most fascist like.
Correction - found the gullible Fox News addict!
Bad guess, but thank you for further clarifying your projection.
BTW, if you don't believe that Netanyahu is every bit the evil soulless Fascist that Hitler was - and if you also don't believe that every American who supports the current Israeli government is by extension a Fascist collaborator - then you're smoking way too much copium.
Thank you for confirming your unseriousness. The Palestinian people suffer due to Hamas, not Israel. Without Hamas there could be cohabitation. Arab muslims participate in the Israeli government at all levels, political and judicial.
Re: Germans have zero common sense (Score:2)
And you're a crook paid to whitewash Google.
Re: Germans have zero common sense (Score:2)
You said this in German or her second language, English?
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You said this in German or her second language, English?
Neither. They compromised and picked a third language that neither of them know well.
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Tell me you only speak one language without saying you only speak one language. Idioms translate very badly, and misunderstanding an idiom is not "taking things too literally". You would have no clue if she had used a German idiom as a reaction to something you said, and would have misunderstood that.
That you don't even comprehend such basic differences between language and culture shows that your opinions on what idiosyncrasies other cultures have are not only completely irrelevant, but also based on total
Disclaimer Isn't Shown (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Disclaimer Isn't Shown (Score:5, Informative)
You are still guilty of libel, and as the court decided, the false claims were not in the links, but hallucinated by the AI. And because Google coded the AI and operated the AI, its products are products of Google, and Google can not claim that they are just reporting about libelous claims as they could have argued with unredacted search results, they just linked to.
Re:Disclaimer Isn't Shown (Score:5, Interesting)
Whether disclaimers are valid or not depends on jurisdiction and the type of harm they are disclaiming responsibility for. In some cases, e.g. UK defamation law, a disclaimer can actually add to liability because they are an admission that the defendant knew what they were saying could be false but went ahead and said it anyway.
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Whether disclaimers are valid or not depends on jurisdiction and the type of harm they are disclaiming responsibility for. In some cases, e.g. UK defamation law, a disclaimer can actually add to liability because they are an admission that the defendant knew what they were saying could be false but went ahead and said it anyway.
Perhaps the disclaimer needs to be a little more detailed. Mentioning that erroneous answer are an inevitable outcome given the state of the art of the technology. Maybe a click through reminder before the results are shown. You should see the set of warning labels we have on ladders in the USA due to our over litigious society.
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I never opted in to AI results. It's something they are forcing by default. It's also located at the top of the page, so they are forcing it to be the first thing read.
Out of curiousity, I asked google if they are responsible for false ai results.
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Deceptive design can't be disclaimed away in most EU courts. On the contrary, a disclaimer on a deceptive design is an admission that the design is deliberately deceptive.
In this case, the hallucination is front and center, and the design does not draw attention to links or real quotes at all, even making it hard to realize they're there for someone who is not what used to be termed a power user.
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You answer yourself. A disclaimer which doesn't work to prevent mistakes by, for example, being unmissable is instead deception. Fine print works in the broken US system, but in the rest of the world what matters is intent.
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Googles logic is insane (Score:2)
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Google's argument is simply a trivial permutation of that slob's "worthless clause" defense [forbes.com], with which he tried (and failed) to escape felony criminal conviction for fraud.
Perhaps more significantly, Google is now on record, testifying and admitting, under oath, that their LLM-generated summaries are garbage.
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It can probably be fixed by putting a few more steps into the analysis.
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An LLM is incapable of actually summarizing. What it does is generate based on statistics, which is literally making stuff up. Occasionally, the made up stuff somewhat conforms to what was in the "summarised" material.
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That's just about never been my experience, outside of very formal information which have an immense amount of coverage on the Internet. Things like common questions on stackoverflow and the like. Anything even slightly less formal, or uncommon, and it's all made up garbage. Especially when it comes to something which is in news, then it's horrific how bad the generation is.
What "other components" are that?
Re: Googles logic is insane (Score:2)
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It's not a context. Context has a specific meaning in real world use, and as you explain, the model knows language, not fact, therefore there can be no context. And even when you point some text at the generator, it still generates based on statistics and nothing else what so ever.
What it will do is generate language based on the text in the manual. Not answer questions. Generate statistically likely reponses isn't answering questions.
These systems do not work well. At all. They're statistics based generato
Re: Googles logic is insane (Score:2)
And if you haven't seen these systems do amazing things, you're not looking hard enough. In the last year my work has come to resemble Chief O'Brien arguing with the Cardassian computer to a remarkable degree. Star Trek was right again, I suppose.
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As a technical term, sure. But it's misleading to use it in everyday conversation, as it doesn't function like context does for us. What it does is bias the text generation, not inform it, since there is nothing that can GET informed.
That your workplace is falling apart is interesting, but hardly relevant to how an LLM works. No matter what "amazing things" can be done with generators, they can never be reliable at generating text summarizing informal information. That's inherent to how they function. There
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"info gen'd with AI should not be blindly trusted" (Score:4, Insightful)
So, I can go out and defame and lie and make death threats, and if I have my magical tiny disclaimer sticker on my t-shirt that says "maybe you shouldn't trust me" I'm in the clear? "Courts hate this one trick" -- well, maybe not anymore?
Will this change AI for the better? (Score:2)