Meta Lobbies Congress For Protection From Child-Harm Lawsuits (aol.com) 106
Longtime Slashdot reader schwit1 shares a report from Reuters: Meta has lobbied the U.S. Congress for legal immunity from child-harm claims tied to social media products such as Instagram, as it faces thousands of lawsuits from young users and their families, according to a source familiar with the matter and proposed legislative language reviewed by Reuters. If adopted by lawmakers and passed into law as part of the Kids Online Safety Act (KOSA) under consideration in the U.S. Senate, such a provision could undermine thousands of lawsuits against Meta and other online platforms over harms to children. Meta and Google's YouTube face a combined $6 million in damages after they lost the first case at trial early this year. While legislators have given no indication of adopting the language, the lobbying effort shows the kind of legal protections Meta is seeking amid the biggest attempt to regulate online platforms in the U.S. since the 1990s. Meta has reportedly proposed the language in exchange for dropping its opposition to KOSA. Under the law, platforms would be required to mitigate harms to minors tied to features such as infinite scrolling, notifications, and appearance-altering filters.
How about no? (Score:5, Insightful)
Where are the usual "think of the kids!" politicians? I guess accepting kickbacks from Meta...
Re:How about no? (Score:5, Funny)
In related news Meta has agreed to paint the sickly green reflection pond in DC Meta blue. When asked for comment Mark Zuckerberg replied: Suck it plebs, I can buy justice.
When asked for further comment Trump was quoted as saying: Nobody can ace that cognitive test better than me. I was able to circle the giraffe faster than that loser Obama.
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s/giraffe/drain/
Re: How about no? (Score:2)
If he were to just do things without boasting how great he believes he is or how his idea is the best in history... then when something goes wrong it's much harder to point and laugh.
Theatre derailments (Score:2)
How much longer will the average person keep getting derailed into US vs THEM arguments?
How many larger issues are getting kicked down the road for another decade so that the status-quo stagnation and decay is maintained for the mono-party (both Rep and Dem) geriatrics, and well-funded groups/corporations/ngo/nonprofits?
- Decades of wage growth below rate of inflation for life events (house, college, ...)
- Decades of decay in family formation, keeping families together, treating both half equal before, duri
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As opposed to building new national "monuments" to vanity and in bad taste of which anyone's mother would be ashamed?
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This isn't even the country you pretend to be from you bloated putanic appendage
Mind your own business or maybe sign up for an expedition to ukraine.
Re: How about no? (Score:2)
This reflecting pool fiasco is just chock full o' all that stuff. The guy who came to "drain the swamp" giving out no-bid contracts to companies that clearly aren't qualified to do the job; one of which is ultimately owned by one of his Mar a Lago neighbors and longtime donor.
So the company that applied sealer The White House says Trump wasn't involved with the National Park Servi
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Gotta say, leftists protesting in favor of keeping national monuments in an ugly, dilapidated state
It wasn't ugly. I have no opinion on whether painting it blue is an improvement or not (will wait until it's finished to collect visual data), but
I've seen the reflecting pool, and it wasn't ugly.
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Gotta say, leftists protesting in favor of keeping national monuments in an ugly, dilapidated state has been a bit of a revelation.
Yes, he turned a leaky reflecting pool that at least reflected into an algae-bloomed waste pool filled with partially-decomposing petrochemical film from using TRUCK BED LINER on a GRANITE SURFACE.
Literally anybody could have told him that wasn't going to work. And as it turns out, two weeks in Virginia summer heat was all it took to make that reality known to literally everyone.
He made it uglier, and more dilapidated than when he found it. Like literally everything else he touches.
But here you are, apolo
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That's an Elon Musk smear [bbc.com], as in the Elon Musk who claimed in court that calling someone a paedophile is just a generic insult and not defamatory. It's not wise to believe or repeat anything he says.
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Is the muslim rape gang in the room with you right now?
Re:How about pedos? (Score:3)
In tomorrow's headlines:
Pedophile Lobbies Congress For Protection From Child-Harm Lawsuits
Oh wait, how silly of me. People who are not mega-corporations and trillionaire CEOs can't afford to spend tens of millions on lobbying [axios.com].
Meta has knowingly (according to their own memos) harmed kids on their quest to harvest all human attention and all advertising dollars. Now they can invest a fraction of it to evade all consequences to them. There's a growing corpus of evidence that we are being slowly digested by an
Re: How about no? (Score:2)
Child harm? (Score:5, Informative)
Keep them away from republicans and the clergy. Here's a running list of abusers. https://www.dailykos.com/stori... [dailykos.com]
Re:Child harm? (Score:5, Informative)
Muslims in the US are all Democrat.
Nope. https://www.texastribune.org/2026/06/15/texas-republican-party-convention-muslims-sharia-law/ [texastribune.org]
Re:Child harm? (Score:5, Insightful)
Indeed, it's extremely laughable to think that Muslims are all Democrats, when they are part of a conservative faith. It's exactly like believing that evangelical Christians are all Democrats.
Unfortunately, most people aren't going to take the step to figure out that their conservatism is just like the conservatism of the people rejecting them.
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Unfortunately, most people aren't going to take the step to figure out that their conservatism is just like the conservatism of the people rejecting them.
Most of those people don't care. If you see the world as "us against them," you don't really care how similar "them" is, as long as "us" is on top.
It's clan warfare, not logical fairness.
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Most of those people don't care. If you see the world as "us against them," you don't really care how similar "them" is, as long as "us" is on top.
Tricking them into thinking they're on top while they're pushing themselves down is the true heart of religion.
Extremely laughable? (Score:2)
it's extremely laughable to think that Muslims are all Democrats
Is it extremely laughable? To test your hypothesis, I compiled a list of as many U.S. Muslim elected politicians as I could (see below). Then, I searched for their party affiliations. They turned out to be 100% Democrat! Maybe if I spent days on a deeper search, I could have found a non-Democrat. But I doubt it.
So it's not "extremely laughable" at all. And when I asked AI why your comment was modded up to 5...
The pattern you found is real
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Is it extremely laughable?
Yes.
To test your hypothesis, I compiled a list of as many U.S. Muslim elected politicians as I could (see below).
So you moved the goalposts and declared victory? Good work, clown.
So it's not "extremely laughable" at all. And when I asked AI why your comment was modded up to 5...
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Wonder what Fox News was talking about this morning?
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Epstein, the biggest abuser of all, was a Democrat.
so was Trump back then & was friendly with the Clintons.
Musk was still pretending to be a Democrat when he e-mailed Epstein on Xmas morning begging to come to one of the wildest parties on Epstein Island, 4 years after Epstein had been convicted in Florida
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ISTM that the perps are most often social conservatives, such as leaders of regressive religions.
If that's the case, I shudder to think what it was like in the Middle Ages. Or in certain countries today.
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ISTM that the perps are most often social conservatives, such as leaders of regressive religions.
If that's the case, I shudder to think what it was like in the Middle Ages. Or in certain countries today.
In the middle ages Kings were publicly admitting they were marrying children. Though in "civilized" societies they supposedly waited to start the actual intercourse until they girl had her first period, which could range from twelve to fifteen or so. In not so civilized? It was whenever the husband/leader lost patience or got randy.
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Bold of you to assume our friend Luckyo can read
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What is the number of lawsuits won by non-transgender children who have been convinced by members of multiple respectable organizations to transition?
Last I checked, it was quite a few. It's so popular now that there are projects popping up to help connect such people with attorneys, as medical malpractice attorneys didn't yet have the time to specialize in this specific line of lawsuits.
As lawyer specialization occurs, you can expect the numbers to go up massively, as significant portion of "transitioning" was grooming of autistic and homosexual children.
Bullshit. Post some links.
Re:Child harm? (Score:5, Insightful)
Seems to me it's the GOP that is obsessed with this issue and with what's in kids' pants. They're the ones constantly stoking the culture wars.
Re: Child harm? (Score:1)
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You’re the only person thinking about trans children. Is there something on your mind?
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I forgot, which part is trying to convince kids that they're trans again?
That would be the imaginary bullshit part that's not actually happening.
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the same that tells them to use litter boxes in the classroom instead of the toilets
In related news, (Score:2)
I hear that the National Street-level Drug Pushers Association is lobbying Congress for immunity against drug laws.
If asked to say which one I sympathize more with - the pushers of physiological drugs or the pushers of psychological drugs - I might have to flip a coin. OTOH the street guys are at least up-front about what they're doing and their motivations, so I might be tempted to give them the pass so I could watch the likes of Zuck hanging and twisting in the wind.
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If it is known that social media harms kids, then doesn't the state share some of the blame? Why is there no law?
If it is not known (or only recently came to light), can you really blame the social media companies? You could blame them for trying to block relevant legislation, but not for harm done in the past.
If the harmful effects were known to the companies
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If it is known that social media harms kids, then doesn't the state share some of the blame? Why is there no law?
The gears of justice grind slowly. This is by design. When you go fast, you break things. And also, no. The state didn't make them do it.
If it is not known (or only recently came to light), can you really blame the social media companies?
Yes, you could. But that's not the case. They know and have known. We've talked about that here a bunch. They willfully conduct psychological experiments on users and monitor the impact.
If the harmful effects were known to the companies and they kept it quiet, then you'd have a case, morally speaking.
That's why there's a case... no, wait, thousands of cases.
Facebook willfully psychologically manipulates people into vulnerable emotional states in order to increase engagement, they take a
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Within reason, adults can do whatever they want. We also have laws saying they have to be 21 to drink and own hand guns. They have to be 16 to 18 to get a driver's license. Kids can't even get into an R rated movie...legally. Yet many parents have no probab
so fuck em (Score:1)
"Does our product harm children? Yes, obviously, absolutely. But look at all the millionaires we've made! There's gotta be like 10 new actual nonpoor people now. These children are the backbone of societal growth!"
I don't even want to know the real number.
Poor Meta. (Score:3)
They missed their window of opportunity. A few months ago they could have just bribed Trump into giving them blanket immunity forever. Now that Trump is failing in so many ways that even Republicans are starting to balk at bowing to his every whim, Meta is actually going to have to play the game the old fashioned way and figure out how to bribe all of congress to get their immunity. Poor babies. They should have planned ahead. They could have saved themselves a lot of time and money.
Child abuser asks for immunity? (Score:5, Insightful)
They got immunity for things they published and pushed on people on the grounds that others said it, they were just the promoters and publishers.
We finally figured out how to sue them not for publishing, but for their massive and unethical attempts to push and promote what others said.
So now they ask for immunity.
No.
They are the problem. They are guilty. Note, they didn't HAVE to be the problem. They could have promoted things based on truth and value rather than how much attention they got by being outrageous and dishonest.
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The entire point of Section 230 is that they don't act as publishers, but as mere platforms, which enables social media to exist at all.
"We" meaning pearl clutchers of all persuasions could always just sue the person who actually publishes speech they don't agree with. Which they often did. It just meant that you could not hope to blackmail corporations into banning speech "we" didn't like.
Re: Child abuser asks for immunity? (Score:2)
As much as I despise social media (Score:3)
Re: As much as I despise social media (Score:2)
Would you make the same argument about kids using heroin, just stop using it?
For context: one major issue with social media is that it's addictive, and Facebook in particular has made efforts to be as addictive as possible.
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Re: As much as I despise social media (Score:2)
Oh I agree that the time that kids spend using Meta products needs to be reduced or eliminated. I also think that it's naive to believe it can happen without involving Meta to some extent. Just like reducing drug trafficking reduces drug consumption. The metaphor doesn't have to be 1:1, it just has to work on the point being made. Point in case: if nothing changes in what Meta offers and how it offers it, kids will find a way to access it, even if we tell them not to.
Kids' pester power (Score:2)
'Parents have no need to give their kids smart phones which access all that garbage and why would they.'
If you have children who have grown up recently and you resisted their getting smart phones, then you are a super hero and I am not worthy to untie your shoe laces. If you've not had to resist that pester power, then I'd encourage you to be more sympathetic.
To be clear I've not had brats...
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Friend of mine had a son who started nagging for stuff. She asked for advice. I suggested leaving a couple of brochures for military acadamies lying around. Worked like a charm.
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Whether you like it or not, social media is the new public square.
We can and should regulate how the creators of social media networks take advantage of their positions of authority and control. There is absolutely, positively, and in every other way no reason why we can not or should not do that. There is no principle under which a hands-off approach makes sense.
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Whether you like it or not, social media is the new public square.
The door of some church in Wittenburg doesn't curate your theses. Nor does it algorithmically select which ones to offer you.
These activities alone should disqualify a site from Section 230 protections.
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These activities alone should disqualify a site from Section 230 protections.
Removing section 230 protections isn't the fix. Once you start opening that door there's no closing it. It absolutely will be done unfairly. Algorithmically displaying content has legitimate uses. The question is, how do you regulate only the harmful ones? I like seeing what I'm looking for, so I want algorithmic content, I just don't want the algorithms to be designed to make me feel bad.
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The OP was referring to an event in European history that has had important consequences lasting for centuries. Maybe you should do a little research on it and make another reply that addresses that event.
Why? That event is irrelevant to this specifically because the situation is so different, which their own comment points out. I especially appreciated that from them because it made it clear that they (and you) are not taking that into account.
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I just don't want the algorithms to be designed to make me feel bad.
I think Google search has a boolean to exclude truths that run counter to your world view.
"Wisdom alone comes through suffering." -- Aeschylus
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Bigger problem here is safetyism combined with Haidt's crusade against social media. He was told early on that his work would be repurposed by "save the children from Satan/faggots/fascists/pedos" for something he specifically stated wasn't his goal. He went through with it anyway.
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Dear Congress... (Score:2)
"Please protect us from child-harm lawsuits since child harm is pretty much our business model."
I knew it (Score:3)
Meta is just a front for NABMLA.
Companies hate regulations (Score:2)
Hmm ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Meta Lobbies Congress For Protection From Child-Harm Lawsuits
Sounds like they're getting ready to (continue to) harm children.
Sky still blue (Score:3)
"Alter the law so it doesn't actually affect us and we'll stop opposing it."
Lawmakers will probably do it as the lobbyist money will be around long after attention to the story has gone. Nobody's going to vote against their representative for this. Most of those who bother to show up on election day will just vote for their favorite team if they're super fans, and the rest will vote for who they think will win so they can tell their friends they voted for the winning side like they were betting on a football game.
$6 Million Damages is a Mosquito Bite (Score:3)
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Actually yeah, it will.
It is, that's why they're doing this. They've already made a bunch of quiet changes no one wants but are most certainly related, like killing E2EE in Messenger I believe it was, WhatasApp still has it.
It they are liable in that one, they are *easily* as liable in thousands, probably more like tens of thousands more. It's an existential threat to their business.
The critical detail isn't the amount, it is the court said Meta didn't have to have caused this kid's mental illness, but mere
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You think that paltry sum is going to change the ways of a big-tech company?
If it was one-and-done, the tech companies would, indeed, look at as a cost of doing business and move on. But there are potentially a huge number of these lawsuits pending, and a few million here, and a few million there, and soon it is real money.
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Thank you Senator Dirksen" [wikipedia.org]. Most people today don't remember who first said that, or that the bit about "a few million here and a few million there" was added by a reporter, but even Democrats agree that this Republican was right. Thank you for reminding us that truth can come from both sides of the aisle.
When addiction the core business model... (Score:3, Insightful)
Perhaps (Score:2)
Just a thought but, perhaps it would be in the best interests of Social Media to prohibit anyone
under the age of eighteen ( or whatever age your country considers anyone an adult ) from
accessing their platforms.
Would solve the whole problem of lawsuits with " think of the children " running in the background.
Though I suppose they prefer to keep the kiddos on their platform because of the $$$$$ to be made.
They simply want to keep the $$$$ rolling in without the risk of lawsuits eating it all up.
after researching how to make your kids addicted (Score:2)
Nice try, Zuck. No one should respect this mofo, nor trust him with the care of their children.
that'll be a first (Score:2)
Immunity?
Get your shots first. You know, where you're lined up against a wall.
WHY protect them ? (Score:2)
They're guilty, they knew it and still pushed forwards with bad policies. They don't provide ANYTHING that can't be replicated quickly of from a competitor. Sick the dogs on them and let the lawyers feast. Maybe a class action AI is the correct method ? /s
Interesting. (Score:2)