'Supergirl' Movie Criticized for Script, Poor Visual Effects (hollywoodreporter.com) 172
The Onion joked the new movie Supergirl is about a hero who must single-handedly save the world "after the catastrophic collapse of interest in the genre."
Unfortunately, The Hollywood Reporter says the film's reviews "range from negative to tepid praise (averaging a 58 percent Rotten Tomatoes score)." Many point fingers at the film's script, with Variety's line — "a comic-book movie with the worst script I can remember" — going viral... Not to pile on, but there's another recurring gripe from the reviews that stood out: Critics bashed the film as being murky, dark and gray, with poor VFX: "Muddy CG sludge" wrote one. Another said the film was full of "sludgy browns and grays" and "the visual murkiness of the settings makes it hard to follow the already unintelligible action sequences." A third wrote the "VFX is so rough it makes The Flash look like Avatar." Moviegoers increasingly despise murky, dark visuals (often used to hide weak effects), along with obvious CGI and incoherent action. They've seen it so many times they've become allergic.
The Bulwark agrees that the action sequences are "terribly lit, incoherently staged, and just generally weightless and ugly... [I]t's reminiscent of the disaster that was The Flash: It's just very obvious during certain sequences that everyone was in a big green-screen warehouse and the camera was whipping around with the knowledge that everything would be painted in later, so who really gives a crap how anything looks on the day of."
But they also call the movie "a tremendous slog of a film, a real step backwards for the James Gunn-overseen DC Universe of movies and TV shows" that's "neither fun nor exciting" and "feels empty." The film does have one bright spot: Lobo, who is played by Jason Momoa as something like Michael Keaton's Beetlejuice by way of Jason Momoa's Aquaman. He's blustery and cantankerous and saucy and just a little menacing; it's a perfect piece of casting and a really nice performance. Unfortunately, it's the only spark of life in what is otherwise a deeply dour, deeply boring piece of filmmaking... Supergirl is just a misfire on nearly every level, one that lacks the sincerity and fun of last year's reboot of this universe or the comic pathos present in Gunn's Peacemaker series on HBO Max.
Reason calls it "dark, depressive, and dull" and "a downer of a movie in nearly every way." It's not fun. It's barely even righteous. It's just miserable. At one point, Supergirl flat-out murders a guy by pushing a giant sword through his neck. Somehow, I suspect even Zack Snyder would be appalled.
Time argued fans of last decade's superhero movies "should be demanding more, not less." Though "Will there be rioting in the streets once audiences get some idea of how lousy Supergirl is? Probably not."
Unfortunately, The Hollywood Reporter says the film's reviews "range from negative to tepid praise (averaging a 58 percent Rotten Tomatoes score)." Many point fingers at the film's script, with Variety's line — "a comic-book movie with the worst script I can remember" — going viral... Not to pile on, but there's another recurring gripe from the reviews that stood out: Critics bashed the film as being murky, dark and gray, with poor VFX: "Muddy CG sludge" wrote one. Another said the film was full of "sludgy browns and grays" and "the visual murkiness of the settings makes it hard to follow the already unintelligible action sequences." A third wrote the "VFX is so rough it makes The Flash look like Avatar." Moviegoers increasingly despise murky, dark visuals (often used to hide weak effects), along with obvious CGI and incoherent action. They've seen it so many times they've become allergic.
The Bulwark agrees that the action sequences are "terribly lit, incoherently staged, and just generally weightless and ugly... [I]t's reminiscent of the disaster that was The Flash: It's just very obvious during certain sequences that everyone was in a big green-screen warehouse and the camera was whipping around with the knowledge that everything would be painted in later, so who really gives a crap how anything looks on the day of."
But they also call the movie "a tremendous slog of a film, a real step backwards for the James Gunn-overseen DC Universe of movies and TV shows" that's "neither fun nor exciting" and "feels empty." The film does have one bright spot: Lobo, who is played by Jason Momoa as something like Michael Keaton's Beetlejuice by way of Jason Momoa's Aquaman. He's blustery and cantankerous and saucy and just a little menacing; it's a perfect piece of casting and a really nice performance. Unfortunately, it's the only spark of life in what is otherwise a deeply dour, deeply boring piece of filmmaking... Supergirl is just a misfire on nearly every level, one that lacks the sincerity and fun of last year's reboot of this universe or the comic pathos present in Gunn's Peacemaker series on HBO Max.
Reason calls it "dark, depressive, and dull" and "a downer of a movie in nearly every way." It's not fun. It's barely even righteous. It's just miserable. At one point, Supergirl flat-out murders a guy by pushing a giant sword through his neck. Somehow, I suspect even Zack Snyder would be appalled.
Time argued fans of last decade's superhero movies "should be demanding more, not less." Though "Will there be rioting in the streets once audiences get some idea of how lousy Supergirl is? Probably not."
News For Nerds? (Score:2, Informative)
This is news for fucking dorks and retards.
Lobo wasn't it (Score:3)
Lobo wasn't it.
Seriously, I don't think the presentation of Lobo was on point at all. Not intimidating, a ridiculous Characature of the concept.
Good choice on actor, someone just fails to make a scene presence, and for that I blame the production.
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Sheriff Lobo? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Supergirl 2: Flying Naked (Score:2)
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Supergirl 2, 1 Cup
Second Movie In a Row Saving a Dog (Score:5, Interesting)
Supergirl’s plot involves getting a poison antidote hanging around an evil character’s neck. She fights this evil character multiple times and could take the antidote at any point. Of course, she doesn’t because that’d be the end of the movie. The end result is that this plot point gets dragged out for no particular reason.
Other points make no sense. There’s only 2 Kryptonians left. But, evidently they’re so well known across the galaxy that everyone knows their weaknesses.
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She fights this evil character multiple times and could take the antidote at any point. Of course, she doesn’t because that’d be the end of the movie.
Haven't seen the movie, but I've heard it's not just that ... she also apparently spends a lot of the movie not seeming to believe there's much urgency to the situation at all. That has a way of hamstringing the idea of a "ticking clock" plot.
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It's a general problem with stories involving Kryptonians. They are so powerful that the writers always have to find ways to weaken them, or invent a similarly powerful villain to oppose them. That's why kryptonite was originally invented.
Like many comic book stories, you have to suspend your disbelief a bit. None of it makes sense from a physics point of view, any more than most of Star Trek or Star Wars does.
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Agreed. Make it so, Number One.
Why is this of interest here? (Score:5, Insightful)
I generally expect the Slashdot audience to mostly have working brains, so why is "here is a thing which was in comics many decades ago. This makes it automatically interesting!" such an effective marketing ploy here? Shouldn't we be looking for new and interesting ideas generated by the world of the 2020s rather than the world of the 19-whatever-it-is?
Though it's part of a general degradation in science fiction. Take robots, for example. Originally, there were stories with robots in because people were trying to imagine the future and wondered if we'd make robots to do things, obviously something for technically-minded intelligent people to be interested in. Now there are stories with robots in because they're an expected sci-fi/fantasy thing, like magic or superheroes. We need to get back to honestly speculating what the world might look like in 100 years time. Maybe the problem is that the answers look bad.
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Shouldn't we be looking for new and interesting ideas
Yes we should, but equally why wouldn't we get onboard with old ideas that we already were interested in being presented in a new medium?
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Was anyone ever invested in Supergirl though?
Superman's cousin. With boobs.
c.f. Wonder Woman dates back to the 1940s.
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Was anyone ever invested in Supergirl though?
I'm told she's had some well-liked stories.
Still, James Gunn seems to have this obsession with pulling up C-list characters from the comics and putting them in central roles in movies. For a lot of the running length of Superman, it was a movie about some guy named Mr. Terrific that nobody's ever heard of. I assume this is because he wants to tell new stories, rather than rehashing the same old origins and motives for characters that everybody's known about for years. But it's not the same as actually intro
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Just a quick curory google showed that month by month the Supergirl comics fluctuated around the same sales figures as that month's copy of Green Lantern, Deadpool, Aquaman and Old-man Logan comics.
The sales were about 2/3rds as high as actual Superman, The Amazing Spider Man, and Suicide Squad.
So take that for what you will.
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Apparently it's only loosely based on the comics, and the ending is different. Thing is, some reviewers I find I generally agree with have said it was decent enough. Not as good as Superman, but not terrible either. Reminiscent of 90s stand-alone superhero movies like Blade.
I tend to be sceptical of "bad writing" these days, because it's the standard generic complaint made by people who don't have genuine criticisms. I haven't seen it so can't comment on the look, but unfortunately a lot of modern movies do
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The look was one of the things I liked about Master of the Universe
Masters of the universe. That 's' is surprisingly important.
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Core concept is stupid. (Score:3)
Nothing about Super Man/Woman/Child/Girl/Dog/whatever has ever been even remotely interesting. "Immortal temporarily loses immortality, gets it back later" is boring as hell. I have no idea why they keep making these utter failures of movies.
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Because the movies make (a lot of) money.
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Sucks, and leaves writers with little.
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They can create many issues for superman and retain the optimistic positive and superior nature of superman. He's not supposed to just be a man with powers; but an alien who is an example... for children, quickly turning into a Jesus like figure but with only the necessary amount of punching... he takes all the punishment then sets things right without spite, murder, etc. The child sees him getting beaten up like every cliche fight show and even though they learn he wins it's enough to make some suspense an
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There was that time when Supergirl was dating her horse. I think that could make an interesting movie for modern audiences.
Otherwise, yeah, the super-genre movies are so similar I can't even tell them apart, let alone care whether the bad guy wins.
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Trouble is... (Score:2)
None of it's true. It's all bullshit. The movie was great.
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I don't like the idea of her killing somebody (Score:2)
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So you managed to find and watch the Superman serial [wikipedia.org] that Columbia put out in 1948. And if you liked that so much, did you hunt down its sequel, Atom Man vs. Superman [wikipedia.org] that came out in 1950? If not, you really should as they used footage of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapsing as part of the first chapter's cliffhanger.
Supergirl: a TikTok influencer with superpowers (Score:3, Insightful)
She comes across less as a beacon of hope and more like a TikTok influencer with superpowers. Her “world-weary” arc and pile of regrets feel ridiculous for someone so young, not profound.While the generic villains, coincidence-driven plot, and forced edginess don’t help, the core failure is transforming Supergirl into yet another “strong female character” who is simply grating and unlikable. Wokeification didn’t empower her, it buried her. Another nail in the DCU’s coffin.
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So not even worth the bandwidth to torrent. Gotcha.
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We already have Superman for that, she doesn't have to be just a female version of him. She was older when Krypton was destroyed and didn't have Clark's wonderful parents to raise her.
I've noticed that there have been a lot of criticisms lately that boil down to "it wasn't made specifically for me, therefore it's terrible". Starfleet Academy got the same thing. I'm not the target audience by decades, but I was able to enjoy it anyway. Unfortunately the reaction to this is that anything half good tends to ge
Yes. bland everything (Score:2)
It's all about maximizing profit far too often. Spend too much and you have to earn it back with more customers... and either sucker them (marketing, which is hard with an opposing social media campaign) or you have to please a large majority of people to overwhelm the trolls.
Lowest.
Common.
Denominator.
That said, when something takes up a brand such as Star Wars, Star Trek, Superman, etc. It is supposed to represent the source material not just mine it for shallow references to fool simpletons. We are cynic
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How on earth did you survive watching the 1970s Wonder Woman?
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Wonder Woman was somehow a feminist icon despite that her super power was magic jewelry. It was for kids, so it didn't have to make sense.
Worse? (Score:2)
That's a pretty [high bar? || low bar?] to clear!
I was going to see Supergirl on Friday, but we closed late and the next showing was in 3D, which I refuse to see. Hopefully this week, I loved the trailers, which, granted, are carefully curated.
super meh (Score:4, Interesting)
Is the main actress "barely legal" (Score:2)
As in Sexy, young like 16 or so?
That used to be enough to make a "great movie", see "Transformers" (first movie) ... (what a pile of shit movie, but became a Gassenhauer). I went into the cinema to watch it, assuming "oh, funny new concept of alien robots" - assuming a deep story like Battle Star Galactica.
Turned out it was a movie for 13 to 16 year olds dragging their parents into a cinema.
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She was not 26 when the first movie was made ...
Do you have reading comprehension problems?
And looking at her pictures, she did not play in the first Transformer movie, she would have been 7 at that time. (And she is blond, but brown haired)
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Turned out it was a movie for 13 to 16 year olds dragging their parents into a cinema.
And yet you'd never heard of the Transformers before you saw the Michael Bay movies. I guess you were 11 or 12 at the time?
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I guess you were 11 or 12 at the time?
And why would I have been disappointed about the movie then?
Hint: check my /. ID
Booooooriiiinnngggg (Score:2)
The result is just boring and unwatchable
Did y'all watch the same movie? (Score:5, Interesting)
I went to it last night. I have no idea what the complaints are about. 'Dark and Muddy' we were on a world destroyed by war, with people scrounging out an existnance that had bad guys stealing every female child for a breeding farm. Should it be bright and clean?
way to blow the ending spoiler. Yes, she killed a guy. how many action movies have been released where the body count is 100x higher and we're cool with it? the hero murders entire base full of people blows it up on the way out, but supergirl stabs a guy who shot her dog with a poison that tortures it to death over three days and killed a kids family, killed another family and their kid in front of her.
He died to quickly for my taste. He needed to die screaming, one appendage ripped off at a time.
it was a fun movie, I swear to god I do not understand people these days.
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had bad guys stealing every female child for a breeding farm.
Oh, Jesus. They had to throw some Handmaid's Tale into it too?
supergirl stabs a guy who shot her dog with a poison that tortures it to death over three days.
When he could have just shot it with a 357 or whatever alien Mad Max sidearm he might have? I didn't realize she was up against a Bond villain. That's an illogical, lazy, contrived sense of urgency. I'm sure the writer patted herself on the back when she thought it up.
it was a fun movie
But was it a GOOD movie? The problem is taking existing IP, existing canon and existing expectations and delivering a mediocre movie. Had supergirl never existed before this r
Re:Did y'all watch the same movie? (Score:4, Interesting)
It's clickbait. Lots of money to be made ranting about how DEI and wokeness has destroyed yet another beloved franchise.
But at least she's a lush (Score:2)
You can't have everything.
Wide awake (Score:2)
All of the rwnj fuckwits in these comments using "woke" as if that's a bad thing. You bunch of fucktards are seriously dragging the baseline for being a valuable human down into the toilet. The most intriguing part is, you idiots think that being an uneducated, brash, sexist, racist, hateful cunt is the hallmark for effective communication.
And (Score:2)
Scared Little Boys (Score:2)
No strong female driven superhero movie is ever going to be accepted by the man-child fan boys. So why bother catering to them? Try something different, that grinds their knees into the gravel, so they run away screaming for mommy. Of COURSE Lobo, the strong male character is the only thing they like. If Ezra Miller were "straight", Flash would not have had half the bad reviews it gets. So absolutely no surprise.
1984 movie (Score:2)
Surely it can't have a worse script than the 1984 movie which sets up a plot and then just ignores it for half the movie with Supergirl instead attending high-school with all the predictable not-even-slightly-superheroish drama that this entails.
Not a James Gunn movie... (Score:2)
Or TV Show. The whole universe seems to be succesfully executed purely on the talent of Gunn, with the pre-reboots, The Suicide Squad, Peacemaker 1, then post reboot, Superman, Creature Commandos and Peacemaker 2.
And finally with an offshoot setup from end of Superman, we get someone else doing it and just has not got the talent to do it.
It's not hate... (Score:2)
...It's ennui.
It's not clear how the writer, Ana Nogueira, got the job. She appears to be a decent actress, but her only other writing credit was a short film eight years ago.
But anyway, the issue doesn't seem to be "superhero fatigue" but bad movie fatigue. It's not even worth getting angry about. We had a good run, time to look for other genres. Maybe I'll go see Iron Lung.
any (Score:2)
Any movie named "Supergirl" is obviously going to be drek. Why even waste time and ink talking about it.
Superhero Burnout (Score:2)
It's yet another SuperHero story in an era where many are beyond burned out on SuperHero stories.
While I can't speak for everyone, I'm pretty tired of all of the following:
1) Star Wars / Star Trek
2) Zombies / Post Apocalypse / Alien Invasion / Natural Disasters
3) The " One " or the " Prophecy "
4) Seemingly average guy living in small town who is always ex Special Forces / CIA / Assassin fighting against local crime
5) Sequal # 4+ of anything
6) Super Heros / Mutants
7) Evil AI that is going to murder ev
Re:Let me guess (Score:4, Funny)
because all you antiwokes are so obsessed with male genitals you would definitely prefer that supergirl is played by a buff dude of course
One of the creepiest things (Score:3)
And there isn't really any excuse because if there is one group of people that knows what a 13-year-old girl looks like it's maga. Although to be fair Grok didn't exist yet
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Replacing?
Way to show off your massive intelligence.
Re:Let me guess (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah... I am woke, because my eyes are wide open.
Keep yours closed, Im sure it will work out for you, especially in education.
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"college admissions are racist and sexist"
that was true for a very, very long time. once girls, women & POC started to catch up the good old boys started melting like snowflakes
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Your evidence is that more women are graduating from college?
Doesn't that make your severe lack of intelligence an insult to all men? What the hell is wrong with you? Out there embarassing us like this. Go back to school, Cleetus.
Lame, Lazy criticism - the only agenda is $$ (Score:5, Insightful)
another DEI/SJW film, and the people involved are baffled about why it failed?
Kewl argument from 10 years ago, bro. Which wasn't even relevant back when you thought it was...it just wasn't so obvious how wrong you are. Studios are sociopaths with no agenda beyond making money. They don't care about DEI or social justice. Anything you consider "woke" that was put out by a major studio was an investment to get a new market, nothing more. Those fuckers gladly rolled over for Trump when he came into town. They quickly abandoned any perspective that didn't deliver a return on investment.
They thought socially conscious youth were a potential market to make money...once they saw that the "woke" mob you talk about was only a handful of psychos on Twitter, they realized there was not zeitgeist. There was no coming revolution or untapped market. They weren't the tip of the spear speaking for a large quieter group of masses...they were just narcissistic blowhards....like you!
Also, for every "woke" movie you complain about for putting a female protagonist in it...there were 20 "gun porn" action movies released that are NRA propaganda..."one determined badass with a lot of cool guns will right what's wrong....on his own terms....all by himself". That's as fucking Republican as it gets: narcissistic-grade Individualism, chosen-one complex, "society and our institutions has failed to deliver justice, so I will take matters into my own hands". How many fucking movies have you seen like that?
Have you ever stopped to think how right wing they are? And regardless...John Wick is GOP propaganda...but I will still watch it because I was entertained. Every Rambo-rip-off is GOP propaganda. I'm not saying don't watch it...just understand that if your movie is some loner with a bunch of ammunition correcting the failing of impotent institutions...especially when their sin was giving criminals due process or respecting civil rights of the innocent....you're watching Right Wing propaganda.
And while I haven't seen the movie, every review I've read, including the ones in this article don't mention politics or "an agenda"...but simply the story underwhelmed and the visuals sucked. One review said it was very simple, retro 90s superhero movie throwback...which I kinda miss...but yeah...if you're used to fun colorful movies like Superman or Fantastic 4....I can see why you'd be disappointed. Most of us don't take comic books seriously. We tolerate them because they're fun spectacles, but most of the stories are STUPID....really STUPID. They're perfect for a making cool drawings for young boys 40-60 years ago when they were written...but MOST of the comic book stories don't hold up well on the big screen.
No one stops to think how absurd these stories are. No one would write a movie today with the majority of these stories. It was really an anomaly that Marvel made so much money off the MCU. It was very neat that they did and I had a great time, but only because I was so entertained, I didn't stop to think how stupid all the stories were. If you don't make your movie sufficiently entertaining....then the weak premise and lackluster script really bring it down.
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You mention the Rambo ripoff movies which is good point because the original First Blood https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0... [imdb.com] is pretty left wing. A Vietnam vet with long hair and serious PTSD is just trying to live his life and pass through the town. But the small town (and minded) police don't like him and all hell breaks loose. It's really a tragic story.
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Do you even listen to yourself?
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Also, a movie about a war veteran getting mistreated, and critical of the anti-war movement.
And I did what I had to do to win! But somebody wouldn't let us win! And I come back to the world and I see all those maggots at the airport, protesting me, spitting. Calling me baby killer and all kinds of vile crap! Who are they to protest me, huh? Who are they? Unless they've been me and been there and know what the hell they're yelling about! ... Back there I could fly a gunship, I could drive a tank, I was in charge of million dollar equipment, back here I can't even hold a job parking cars!
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I remember, as a kid, I saw the second Rambo movie first, then the third. I was told I wouldn't like the first one. I grew up on those knock offs and they were stupid fun. I saw the first Rambo movie maybe a decade latter and that line hit. I neve really looked up the Vietnam war at the time and it wasn't like school teaches you about that kind of thing.
What I don't get is how THIS MOVIE turned into the Rambo series. Hell it was even a BOOK first! Seems the author was pretty chill about the whole thin
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Studios are sociopaths with no agenda beyond making money.
And how do you make money? You cater to the social mores and prejudices of a large market.
Have you ever stopped to think how right wing they are? And regardless...John Wick is GOP propaganda...but I will still watch it because I was entertained.
Well, that's the market. Ignore it at your own risk.
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Well, that's the market. Ignore it at your own risk.
This is a pretty good point. Not every movie has to be for everyone.
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It kind of does when you're spending over quarter of a billion dollars making and marketing the movie.
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Kewl argument from 10 years ago, bro. Which wasn't even relevant back when you thought it was...it just wasn't so obvious how wrong you are.Studios are sociopaths with no agenda beyond making money. They don't care about DEI or social justice.
Quite the contrary. They care very much. Their hired staff care very much. Were you aware that there are now minimum targets for underrepresented racial, ethnic, and marginalized groups on-screen and behind the camera just to be recognized by the MPAA for their awards? That didn't appear out of thin air and producers ignore it at their own peril.
And while I haven't seen the movie, every review I've read, including the ones in this article don't mention politics or "an agenda"...but simply the story underwhelmed and the visuals sucked.
Did you happen to check out the IMDB writing credits of the story writer, Ana Nogueira? "Supergirl" and "We Win". "We Win" is a 12 minute short and rated 5.6
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When a woman writes a bad script it's DEI. When a man does a bunch of neckbeards yell about how it's the producer's fault akshually and if only the director could release his cut then there'd REALLY the great film we know it must be.
You know, the Snyder cut. That hot mess.
Re:Lame, Lazy criticism - the only agenda is $$ (Score:5, Insightful)
When an unqualified woman writes a bad script that doesn't get shit canned in pre-production,
Absolute unmitigated bullshit.
And yet when the poorly qualified Josh Trank and Jeremey Slater contributed to the absolute stinker of fantastic 4, noone shat themselves screeching about DEI.
That's because all the DEI whiners are a bunch of unmitigated hypocrites.
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Jeremy Slater is an American screenwriter and producer who is known for writing Fant4stic, a heavily panned Marvel film before being re-written by Josh Trank and Simon Kinberg, Death Note and Moon Knight
Slater had exactly one writing credit before Fantastic Four. The unqualified writer's script was rejected and rewritten by others on the project. The director/writer Trank at least had actual credits prior to being attached to Fantastic 4. Among others, he previously directed a full length movie with a rating of 7 on IMDB. Thanks for proving my point!
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Most of the movies that have been called "woke" have fundamental flaws, but they are usually all due to bad writing, bad casting, bad directing or something completely unrelated to the idea that there's a cool female protagonist.
Exactly, but the problems start when "the message" becomes more important than good writing. It's like with Michael Bay movies: you expect the focus to be on "cool action scenes and explosions", not on the story, because you know where the priorities lie.
In 'woke' movies it is often the case that even if an action does not make sense in the story or universe it is still put in because it paints the character in a certain way that furthers "the message", usually very much on a moral level (very roughly: any
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The other problem is that Woke characters can never fail or do anything wrong and rarely even have to train to succeed, which makes Woke stories incredibly boring.
Now, it's true that a lot of traditional non-Woke characters will always succeed by the end of the book and the reader knows that, but they do have to defeat numerous problems along the way which at least look like they could fail. Woke characters just wander through those problems protected by Woke Armor.
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I'm not sure that is a different problem. It is definitely a symptom, though. The concept of having to overcome your own inadequacies and failures is a classic element of character arcs that work and thus having that in your writing is considered (pretty) good, or rather that the lack of it is bad writing. As you indicate: it becomes very predictable if the character just always succeeds at everything or is just always straight up evil.
I would go even further than that and say that some of the best writing
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Oh Yaa. Oh Yaa.
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I'm not sure you've ever... read a book, frankly.
Re:Lame, Lazy criticism - the only agenda is $$ (Score:4, Interesting)
This reminds me of criticism for Rey from Force Awakens. Spends many years learning about starships by scavenging and repairing them, learning to fight out of necessity, and of course has the magic Force powers to help... Certainly a better training regime than moisture farmer boy got. First thing she does when taking control of a ship is crash it into the ground. Kylo Ren engineers situations to help her learn some basic Force techniques, and then easily bests her in a fight. Somehow this makes her a Mary Sue and a total travesty.
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This reminds me of criticism for Rey from Force Awakens. Spends many years learning about starships by scavenging and repairing them, learning to fight out of necessity, and of course has the magic Force powers to help... Certainly a better training regime than moisture farmer boy got. First thing she does when taking control of a ship is crash it into the ground.
Luke used to bulls-eye womp rats in his T-16 back home. He actually had flying experience. Congratulations, you just did exactly what the people who cry woke do, and ignored the canon in order to try to support an argument.
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He had flying experience at low altitude with gravity, and went from that to being an ace space fighter pilot in about a week. All the other pilots with actual military combat experience, the Rebel's best people, couldn't make that shot. It's not even clear why they gave a valuable X-Wing to a kid with no prior experience or proven skill, but then it's full of plot holes. They had to fly down the trench to avoid surface guns and get to the exhaust port, unless they were called Han Solo in which case they ca
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In star wars land they have repulsors that let ships hover, and clearly they have input filtering as well given how we've seen people handle controls, so gravity isn't a deal breaker. Obviously you have to suspend disbelief to some degree for all fiction, but Luke at least has actual seat time experience, and the extremely force sensitive main villain was distracted by trying to get a line on the extremely force sensitive main hero.
Re:Lame, Lazy criticism - the only agenda is $$ (Score:5, Insightful)
See, this is what I'm talking about. You can invent reasons why it all makes sense. Some fans enjoy that, it's fine. But if you are willing to do it to explain away Luke's meteoric rise, why not Rey's as well? Remember that most of this stuff to justify Luke is based on stuff from the books and other media, or from what amount to retcons in later movies.
Also are we all still pretending that the Holiday Special didn't happen and isn't canon?
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Well that's the thing, a lot of experienced mechanics can actually fly too. They aren't qualified for licensed, but they know how the controls work, they know what the instruments show, and they know the principles. Maybe they have even done some time on flight simulators.
Back in the day it wasn't uncommon for them to take aircraft up for testing.
And that is essentially how Luke learned too. Repairing small craft, and racing them with his friends.
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Exactly, but the problems start when "the message" becomes more important than good writing.
Okay critical drinker, put down the Whiskey for a moment. The fundamental flaw in your logic is that good writing and the message are not mutually exclusive or indeed related in any way. You point to Bay and that's a perfect example of what's wrong with your point. There are movies which are objectively rubbish but filled with action packed Bayhem. There are movies that are also good and well written that are filled with action packed Bayhem. The concept of Bayhem has nothing to do with writing, it's in the
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So it sounds like you're saying that wokies can't write? I mean, all their films are poorly written like you said. Maybe they shouldn't be involved in these big budget films if the investors are expecting a big profit.
You clearly don't understand what people mean when they say "woke", even though it's usually followed by all of the reasons that it's being called "woke". It sounds like you have a comprehension issue given your first sentence. I mean, you even called out Aliens.... which has been a prime exam
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No, people who can't write can't write. People who use the word "woke" don't understand why a movie is bad. They can't explain how simple changes in writing or directing can fundamentally fix movie flaws.
Either that or a few of them are genuinely misogynistic fuckkuckles who really can't stand the idea of a female protagonist, those people do exist as well.
You clearly don't understand what people mean when they say "woke", even though it's usually followed by all of the reasons that it's being called "woke".
No I get it. The reasoning is there, and it doesn't stand up to even one iota of scrutiny.
I mean, you even called out Aliens.... which has been a prime example of what a non-woke film is that features a female lead.
Yes. ... I ... wrote... Sorry I don't think I am the person who
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So capitalism doesn't work? There's a Dow-Jones cabal propping up their share price while they burn money being woke? What on earth do you think is going on here?
Apart from a persecution complex on your side of course.
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Yeah bro, lets touch dicks and complain about how gay other people are.
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another DEI/SJW film, and the people involved are baffled about why it failed?
My initial knee-jerk reaction is that it isn't woke enough which is why woke outfits like the bulwark are calling it boring. These are the same people who called the everything everywhere random AI slop movie "profoundly moving" and "great".
Keep in mind I have zero clue what is actually in this movie and most probably will never see it.
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True, and one that can't stop talking about super girl possibly being a lesbian in interviews. Like whaaaaaat???? Since when? Must be another DEI movie, right? Why else would they even talk about that in interviews?
Flops with international audiences (Score:2)
DC / Warner or whoever owns the Supergirl franchise should follow Nintendo's lead where they get final say over content of any films, books or other entertainment.
They could do lots to ensure a good story free of hints, jokes, allusions or images which would not do well to be viewed by younger audiences worldwide.
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What shows are depicting farting women? Asking for a friend.
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Casting an actress with better worldwide appeal would have helped.
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1. Because he's so ill that moving him could kill him, and the stress of space travel would absolutely kill him. This is explicitly explained in the scene with the healer.
2. Because that first bar fight happens on a red-sun planet where Kara doesn't have any superpowers. This is a major plot point of the movie; were you even watching it...?
3. Tell me you're a sociopath without telling me...
4 and 5. You really weren't paying attention to the fact that Kara's powers aren't all-or-nothing, were you? Red sun