Valve Releases Proton 11 With Huge Linux Gaming Improvements (nerds.xyz) 53
BrianFagioli writes: Valve has released Proton 11.0-1, a major update to its Windows compatibility layer for Linux that makes more games playable while fixing a long list of bugs affecting existing titles. The release restores compatibility for many EA games after a recent EA App update, moves classics like Resident Evil (1996), Resident Evil 2 (1998), Dino Crisis, and SHOGUN: Total War from Proton Experimental into the stable release, and adds support for games including Gothic 1 Classic, X-Plane 12, Breath of Fire IV, and Deadly Premonition. Valve also fixed crashes in HELLDIVERS 2, restored No Man's Sky VR support, improved Steam Overlay compatibility with EA games, addressed KDE and GNOME desktop issues, and rebased Proton on Wine 11.0 with updated graphics components. The full list of changes can be found here.
I really wish RAM prices would come back down (Score:1, Flamebait)
But at $1,100 for the base model that's just too much for anyone but dedicated hobbyists. Honestly for a lot of dedicated hobbyists they're going to build their own setups for less money. Not quite as sleek of course. I mean if you want a solid home theater PC that your wife isn't going to yell at you about then the steam machi
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If I was getting into gaming my first stop would probably be a used PS5 right now which you can get her around $400. If I was really broke I might dig up an old PS4. With some effort you can get those for next to nothing and they should be usable for at least another three or four years before Sony starts shutting down servers.
So I'm not saying that the steam machine is bad value in the current
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anybody that can't 'afford' it buys a PC and pirates that games. No one is buying a PS5 on a budget unless they don't want to play games.
Thats the thing, people are buying consoles thinking it'll be cheaper... well at least they think they are.
With Consoles, you pay less for the hardware initially but then pay through the nose for everything else. Pay for multiplayer and online access, pay for replacement controllers (Sony can fix the stick drift, they just don't want to lose the extra revenue from £60 controllers), you pay more for games.
PC is the opposite, you pay full price for the hardware as no-one is subsidising it, then yo
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consoles are a scam, they are an absolutely horrible value proposition.
vendor lock in is terrible, PC is king.
Re: I really wish RAM prices would come back down (Score:2, Offtopic)
If you want a HTPC you could use a $300 mini PC until this bubble shit. Now the same machine is $500
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I know some people who gain like that but it's not anything anyone's going to really want.
If I was building something out though I could do it for about $800 right now. I Think I would struggle to do it for less but I might pull off $50
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You could pick up a Wyse 5070 for $50. They're weak processors but have UHD graphics chips and will play 4k video with hardware acceleration no problem. I stream free sites like Tubi and Pluto through Chrome without problems. Firefox works sometimes but uses way more cpu compared to Chrome.
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yeah, but if you want a gaming PC you can't use a mini $300 pc. If you want a toaster buy a $20 toaster.
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Fortunately, everyone seems to be waking up to the fact that AI isn't a silver bullet and r
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The constant broken record....
Dude their isn't going to be a bunch of 'competition' in spaces like DRAM. The upfront capital costs to make top drawer parts is simply to high. It isnt collusion, its natural monopolies.
Nobody is going to make or finance the investment required to build high capacity world class chip fabs, to not enjoy the prime mover advantage because the risk that as soon as they do something like magnetic-IC memory gets a commercially viable implementation and leaves them bag holding a bu
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Chinese companies will finance it because it's a matter of national security, because the Chinese government backs their efforts, and because the potential pay-off is huge.
There are already Chinese DRAM manufacturers doing reasonably well in the embedded/mobile space. This has been brewing for years.
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If we had some actual competition they maybe could.
Actual competition has no impact on a supply and demand curve. There's no indication that the current prices in the market aren't competitive. There's just not enough supply to feed the hungry deep pockets of bulk demand.
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Well hot damn, if you think the market is ripe for more competition, get down to the bank and get yourself a business loan and build a billion dollar fab that will be obsolete by the time you open it.
Have a fun talk with the loan underwriters. And maybe you'll learn why nobody else is doing that either.
High precision, high yield, high density lithography is hard, and burdened by patent hell by the companies that do it best. You can't get the machines to actually make RAM modules, because the company that
Ease Of Use? (Score:2)
I haven't tried using WINE for 20 years or more. The last time I tried it, there was major pain getting it running an dependency hell. Then, it didn't do a great job with only a few Windows programs able to run and not run well.
Does new WINE/Proton run stuff well? Is it easy to use?
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Yes, it's fine.
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I think some games run faster in proton than in windows. Not sure if they may count the overall system (so also comparing Linux system services with Windows ones) but I guess for a gamer only the FPS of the result matter, not if the game sucks on Windows more than on Linux or if Windows sucks generally.
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On basic 20 year old windows binaries. God help you for anything CAD related.
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MS Office doesn't run that great in wine either. WPWin runs pretty very well on Wine, which is just as well, I'm not terribly comfortable in Word. There isn't a satisfactory CAD for Linux or one you can run in Wine. In school (long ago) I used AutoCAD on SGI and then Windows, had to reserve time in the computer lab since I was a student and I could not afford any SGI hardware.
While app support in Wine is not as good as we'd like to see, many (most?) games work well. And some of the old games I have that don
Re:Ease Of Use? (Score:4, Informative)
wine you have to install and setup, while there are tools to help. steam itself install the proton and do the setup, so:
- via steam, it is just click and play for most games, you don't even know that you are using proton - https://www.protondb.com/explo... [protondb.com]
- a few rare games may need switch proton version or do some finetune (try without changes, if fails see the protondb above and check if you need some version or parameter/file)
- a several FPS run fine, but them fail to check the anti-cheat (some is kernel anti-cheak, that linux do not support, most is not compatibility problems but just was disabled by their studios - https://areweanticheatyet.com/... [areweanticheatyet.com] , complain to them... this is today the main problem, but do complain and go play a game that do allow linux, taking your friends with you, support games that support linux, stop playing games that refuse to do so)
- too new or too old games may still fail, but in every release, new bugs/features are added and games may start to work without warning... see this one as a example: https://www.protondb.com/app/3... [protondb.com]
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I use Fedora, so I can only talk about that. With Fedora, Wine is in the standard repos and all you need to do is tell the appropriate package management program (I use dnf, the CLI program, because it gives me the control I want.) to install wine, and away it goes, finding and installing wine and all the needed dependencies without any further work on your part except accepting the tran
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Yes, most of the difficulty with wine is installing the windows applications, not wine itself. There are many knobs and compatibility options to adjust. Proton has done that for you for a huge number of the games in steam.
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the problem is not usually install wine directly, but the other windows requirements, like directx, mono, codecs, etc
you also may need to override some dll or finetune some registry. It is not hard and usually there are tools that can help you do that automatically, but in proton it is included directly
Re:Ease Of Use? (Score:5, Informative)
It's really easy. I'm primarily a gamer and have been completely Windows free for 3 years now. Proton runs all my games and I don't mess with them to get them running. Steam games are fully automatic, but for non-steam games you just add them into steam and tell it to use Proton.
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Steam games are fully automatic, but for non-steam games you just add them into steam and tell it to use Proton.
You can also use Lutris or now there's something called Heroic Launcher which is supposed to have replaced it, but last time I tried to install it, it didn't work :) Lutris with Proton is neat.
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Put it this way:
I've stopped bothering to see whether my ~2000 games on Steam are "Linux-compatible" on a standard Ubuntu install.
I've also supplemented my entirely-Linux network with a Linux gaming laptop onto which I've put... all my old favourite Windows freeware.
Last night something reminded me and I wanted to play WH40K:Space Marine. Double-click. Install. Play.
A few weeks prior, my daughter was talking about RDR2. Double-click. Install. Play.
I brought across my Wreckfest too. Double-click. Ins
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The integration with Steam is so straightforward that you actually forget it is there. The only hurdle is games with kernel level anticheat (that are only a few titles, but some of them are wildly popular, like Fortnite). Other than that it's just pick the game and play most of the time.
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you don't even know steam is using proton-wine or not, you just click the play button and that's it.
So, we need a gaming monopoly to help Wine? (Score:2)
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Well if your understanding is completely backwards sure you may come to that conclusion. In reality it was Wine that was helping the gaming monopoly. Proton is a fork of Wine, it doesn't upstream its changes back to Wine, much like Ubuntu doesn't feed its changes back to Debian.
Also "monopoly" isn't a bad thing. "Monopolizing" is a bad thing. The verb, not the noun. The noun is perfectly fine providing they don't abuse their market position and start doing the verb, and currently there's little evidence the
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You can opt to choose to play offline. Depending on how you have it setup, you may not have access to your normal saves as they were cloud saved. I don't know if you can stay in offline mode forever. There may come a point where it insist you reconnect to the Internet but I've never tested it. I do keep my saves local just in case there is an outage, but that's quite rare.
I'm not saying it's a perfect solution and I generally agree with the idea behind your post. I keep all my media backed up locally as opp
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Proton is a series of compatibility patches applied to Wine.
Incorrect. Proton is so much more than just this.
It's also unnerving to have a single point of failure--for most of your games.
It's not a single point of failure, because there are many different versions of Proton released by different people/groups - Proton GE, Cachyos Proton, DW-Protin, Proton-EM...and more.
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I disagree. Monopolies are not your friends--unless you work for them.
No one is your friend. They are corporations you do business with. Monopolies are just a state of being. Judging the state is stupid because the state of being has no effect on you, ACTIONS have an effect on you.
And in this case that monopoly's action was to propel gaming on Linux to heights that were completely unimaginable a decade ago.
Proton is a series of compatibility patches applied to Wine. It's also unnerving to have a single point of failure--for most of your games.
Your entire computer are a million single points of failure. I suggest you never install graphics drivers if you're concerned. You even pointed out a failure completely unr
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Proton is a fork of Wine, it doesn't upstream its changes back to Wine
oh look [codeweavers.com], that's more bullshit from you. Used that link to show how out of date you are... you're wrong from the beginning of the project.
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Proton doesn't commit back to Wine, Codweavers adopt commits from Proton as they see fit for the Wine project. They are different developers doing different things which is way (and this is true) Wine is not Proton.
Have a think about how forks work before you call someone else's comments bullshit. *sigh* I was hoping after a night of sleep your brain will work again. Clearly it doesn't. Come down from Mt Dunning-Kruger when you get a chance.
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Proton doesn't commit back to Wine, Codweavers adopt commits from Proton
Codeweavers helps develop Proton.
Have a think about how forks work before you call someone else's comments bullshit.
Have a think about how Proton is developed before you talk more bullshit.
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Apparently, as nobody in the community seriously attempted to create Proton before Valve did. I'd be upset about it if Proton wasn't Free software, but it is! I also wouldn't call Steam a monopoly, it's just very popular.
Tangentially related: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy... [gnu.org]
Deadly Premonition? (Score:2)
This awful port does not work on Windows for many many years. If it works on Proton, I'm starting to believe Linux compatibility with Windows games might have surpassed Windows compatibility with Windows games.
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I know what you're saying, but that really is not the reality of the situation, and it's important to be realistic about what is and isn't possible with Proton.
In general, and there are exceptions of course, but if you have a reasonably modern CPU and an AMD graphics card then many Windows games will run fine in Proton - occasionally even better than they do on Windows.
If you have an nVidia graphics card you will likely have a bad time, as the binary-blob drivers on Linux are generally pretty woeful.
If you
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Sadly, the cheats and the pirates are going to force Irdeto's hand and end up disabling games that were previously playable in Proton.
False. Their changes won't prevent Denuvo from being broken again, so there is no hand-forcing, just a lot of them using that hand to jack off.
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