Elon Musk And Sam Altman Spar On X After Apple Files OpenAI Lawsuit (cnbc.com) 64
"Elon Musk and Sam Altman criticized each other in new posts on X," reports CNBC, "highlighting the billionaires' long-standing tussle over OpenAI's evolution."
This week, SpaceX released the Grok 4.5 generative AI model, while OpenAI debuted its own GPT-5.6 Sol. For days, Musk and Altman have hyped up their respective releases, but on Saturday the rivalry got personal. In response to a post about Apple filing suit against OpenAI on Friday over alleged theft of trade secrets, Musk wrote, "Scam Altman strikes again ...." Minutes after his post, Musk doubled down, writing, "He takes scamming to a whole new level." Next, Musk published a photo of Altman that included the words, "I'm doing this because I love it."
"By 'this' he means scamming," Musk wrote, including two rolling-on-the-floor-laughing emojis. Musk then replied to that post, writing, "He might literally love scamming more than any human alive!"
The flurry of social activity got Altman's attention. "[H]omeboy you're the one sellling public market investors on short-term space datacenters," Altman wrote in an X post of his own that garnered over 11 million views.
"We start flying them next year. Maybe you can come see them if your parole officer approves," Musk fired back.
Separately, Altman put Musk's fresh wave of attention in the context of OpenAI's fresh model release. "[T]here are a lot of benchmarks that suggest 5.6 sol is the best model in the world right now, but the most reliable way to tell is that elon is obsessed with me again," Altman wrote on X.
Reacting to another post, Altman wrote that he was "not afraid of apple, but i have tremendous respect for them. s-tier company," CNBC reports — leading to a sarcastic response from X's head of product. "Incredible trade secrets as well, some of the best."
And CNBC notes that Musk "replied with a face-with-tears-of-joy emoji."
"By 'this' he means scamming," Musk wrote, including two rolling-on-the-floor-laughing emojis. Musk then replied to that post, writing, "He might literally love scamming more than any human alive!"
The flurry of social activity got Altman's attention. "[H]omeboy you're the one sellling public market investors on short-term space datacenters," Altman wrote in an X post of his own that garnered over 11 million views.
"We start flying them next year. Maybe you can come see them if your parole officer approves," Musk fired back.
Separately, Altman put Musk's fresh wave of attention in the context of OpenAI's fresh model release. "[T]here are a lot of benchmarks that suggest 5.6 sol is the best model in the world right now, but the most reliable way to tell is that elon is obsessed with me again," Altman wrote on X.
Reacting to another post, Altman wrote that he was "not afraid of apple, but i have tremendous respect for them. s-tier company," CNBC reports — leading to a sarcastic response from X's head of product. "Incredible trade secrets as well, some of the best."
And CNBC notes that Musk "replied with a face-with-tears-of-joy emoji."
Yeah OpenAI is a scam (Score:3, Insightful)
How many years in a row has Musk promised FSD? How many people did he actually take money from only to never deliver the feature?
It just goes to show that money can't make someone not a pathetic crybaby.
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No goal posts were moved. FSD was never delivered. They even were forced to change the name to clarify it's not "fully self driving" which is why they put the word supervised after it in brackets.
Also I claimed it was never delivered to people who ordered it. With the average ownership of a new car being 5 years, and given the first time Musk promised FSD would be delivered in 2017, leaving aside the fact Tesla does not offer L4 autonomous FSD for any consumers in any jurisdiction right now, can you point t
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He claimed the AC moved the goalposts in response to your comment, not that your comment was wrong.
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Except I agree with the AC, and their comment is aligned with mine. Musk's description of FSD as far back as 2015 when they coined the term (a door to door self driving system which would allow you to play on your phone or read a book) would have to meet the regulatory definition of L4 autonomy which FSD isn't certified for.
Stupid media's "Dogs Don't Like Cats" reporting (Score:2)
- CNBC has journalists
- Journalists evaluate a "Dogs are better than Cats" and "Cats are better than Dogs" exchange by corporate leaders
- Journalists think that companies that are in competition with one another won't follow the playbook of soundbite ping-pong
- CNBC editors follows the "Clicks are good" first playbook versus investigating and reporting newsworthy stories.
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Watch the TFL Tesla Hands Free [youtube.com] series and report back that you still don't think it exists.
It objectively doesn't. You don't need to watch videos, you just need to go to Tesla's own website and see how they advertise it : "Full Self-Driving (Supervised)" to demonstrate it's not what Musk has promised. You just need to look up what autonomy level their system is classified as.
I'm not legally allowed to sit and play with my phone while the car drives itself, so whatever video you show me is completely irrelevant. They have not certified a self driving system for public use, period. Tesla has precis
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"Full Self-Driving"... for sufficiently loose definitions of "full".
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Tesla's own FSD puts sugar on its porridge.
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It's only "supervised" because it's waiting on regulatory approval
If your autonomous driving package waits for approval for longer than the of the life of the vehicle and you never get to use it despite paying for it then you don't have an atonomous driving package available.
That's all there is to it. My argument isn't technical. Musk took money from people as far back as 2015 saying something will be available in 2017 that will allow them to drive completely inattentive and yet here we are in 2026 and the system still is not on offer.
There's nothing more to it than that.
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Tesla's FSD actually seems kind of decent from the videos I've seen people post. It's definitely no worse than how humans drive on I-4 in Orlando. What I mostly take issue with is that Tesla promised this feature to people who bought cars with hardware that would never be capable of running the current generation of FSD software.
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Gonorrhea exists but that doesn't mean you want it regardless of how great Elon Musk says it is.
Any self-driving system that relies on the inadequate sensors that Tesla has cheaped out on should be permanently outlawed. Frankly, FSD should never be legal.
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Any self-driving system that relies on the inadequate sensors that Tesla has cheaped out on should be permanently outlawed. Frankly, FSD should never be legal.
Maybe not on a Tesla with cheap sensors, but I think FSD is inevitable, even desirable. Humans can be remarkably bad at driving, even while awake and sober. Some FSD systems already demonstrate better attention to safety than humans, and I expect they will continue to improve. I welcome our self-driving overlords.
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In my neck of the woods, idiot human drivers regularly still somehow manage to get hit by our commuter train. That's astoundingly easy to avoid - just don't stop on the train tracks. The bar for autonomous driving being better than humans is very, very low.
Re: Yeah OpenAI is a scam (Score:2)
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They've had those demos for years , decades even, and they still dont release it. Its not hard to escape the verdict that he's not telling the whole truth on this one.
Meanwhile the chinese EV makers have entire cities where you can literally get in your EV and it'll just drive you there, complete with RF interaction with traffic lights, automated battery replacement systems, the whole kit, in far more insane traffic conditions than the americans will ever have, thanks to vast amounts civilians on bicycles a
Re:Yeah OpenAI is a scam (Score:4, Interesting)
"He might literally love scamming more than any human alive!"
Rich coming from Elon Musk, the biggest scammer outside of Donald Trump alive.
Elon Musk, for one of his scams, claims to have created the "first and largest" Tesla solar residential subdivision in Austin. It is called "SunHouse at Easton Park" and claims to be a 12,000 home master-planned community.
Thing is, Easton Park is that master-planned community, NOT SunHouse. SunHouse is literally FIVE midrange homes that Musk got one of the builders to add Tesla solar to. There is NO "SunHouse" at all, it is complete bullshit. Also, I personally live in Easton Park, it has an electric co-op that charge electric at a flat rate of 9.2 cents/kWh everything included. You simply cannot make solar financially viable there. Everything Elon Musk says is a lie, if it weren't for Trump Musk would be biggest liar and scam artist in the world.
And that's not an endorsement of Sam Altman.
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You simply cannot make solar financially viable there.
What makes solar financially un-viable in Austin? I live a long ways from Texas so there might be something really obvious here that I'm missing. I know the solar power arguments are older than the hills at this point (I remember roof top solar panels from many decades ago) but I'm interested in what about that location makes it doomed to not work out.
Or is there just no way for Tesla to make it financially viable? Could a more honest company pull it off in a different way?
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Sorry, both Musk and Altman are scammers. "Full Self Driving" F off with that, I would not trust anything Musk says after 2018 over the "pedo guy" cave rescue crap. That's when I knew Musk as a joke. He's always been a scammer going right back to Paypal.
Altman, oh good god, watch any biopic/documentary on the guy, and he is just so full of it. This is literately a guy who uses his own chatbot for everything. There is a reason why the most viral "sora AI" videos were of Altman stealing GPU's from stores.
tl;dr (Score:2)
Two excremental individuals... hating on one another.
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Be thankful for the plexiglass...
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Game of life (Score:2)
Feature request:
Implement more engaging side quests after the main goal of winning capitalism has been completed.
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If I were a billionaire I wouldn't waste my time with slap fights on social media.
That's because if you were a billionaire, you probably would have made some significant creative / intellectual contributions to the world on your path to those billions. You would have the gravitas and class associated with those accomplishments.
On the other hand, Musk got his billions by lying, grifting, stealing credit belonging to actually talented people, gaming a rigged system already set up by others of his ilk, and having sheer dumb luck.
The myth of Elmo as a genius, a creator, and a contributor nee
Awful people are trading insults on Twitter (Score:5, Funny)
This is not news for nerds. This is not stuff that matters.
I know that ship sailed long ago, and slashdot is kinda mid-grade engagement bait these days, but come on, there is no pretense of substance in this one. It's monkeys flinging poo on the front page. Please try to be better than this.
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Re:Awful people are trading insults on [Slashdot] (Score:4, Interesting)
Wrong on both counts, though I concur that the selection of stories could be better. MUCH better. Why don't you become a Slashdot editor?
It's pretty sad that so many nerds idolize these fools as role models. Maybe just young wannabe nerds, but they still gobble up this kind of news and gossip.
Even sadder that their petty squabbles and twisted personalities matter so much. This is how the money works these years. But I think the funniest part is that their patron saint Adam Smith is to completely misunderstood. He was mostly talking about how the invisible hand had managed to keep things working up to that time, but at the same time he was removing the cloak of invisibility. I would argue that he therefore deserve a lot, perhaps even the lion's share, of the blame for what has happened to the economies of the world since then.
Just doing some "research" on "crucified on a cross of shareholder value", but I should have asked more about who. As in all of us.
Returning to my modified Subject, I confess I was exaggerating for clickbait effect. I don't think most of the people on Slashdot are that awful and the great insult artists of yore are long gone, too. But there was a time when I thought some Slashdot discussions could be part of actual solutions in the actual world, which has become a funny thought of its own on a website that is simultaneously seriously deficient in funny.
(Yesterday's trip to the library netted an anti-AI book, an anti-monopoly book, and one humor book from a long-dead humorist. Current priority book is neuroscience and still digesting Careless People about the awful people of Facebook.)
If they were just too awful people yeah (Score:3, Insightful)
They get to decide how you live your life. So that's why we have to pay attention to what they say
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Yea, take this announcement from MICROS~1. Oh, the irony from a company that built a business out of stealing other peoples original work:
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella warns companies not to give AI firms their secrets [nerds.xyz]
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Microsoft Litigation Resource Page [archive.org]
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Very wealthy monkeys.
Cost (Score:3)
Right now, we have AI models that are good enough, what we need is for someone to focus on making them affordable, because even the Enterprise level for Github Copilot doesn't let you do anything remotely resembling the level of usage I was at before they changed their business model. I used to talk to Copilot all day long and I didn't really do anything manually anymore, with excellent results. It coded a lot better than I ever did and since it freed me from mundane work I could focus on making an excellent OOP architecture with great performance and security. Including refactoring legacy code to bring it up to the level of quality you can get in minutes. Now instead of minutes everything takes me entire weeks. Ah the joys of old-fashioned artisanal coding. After 3 years I barely know how to code anymore.
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what we need is for someone to focus on making them affordable
DeepSeek is doing exactly that.
DeepSeek is 30 times cheaper than OpenAI and delivers better results.
The reasons DeepSeek is cheaper are its use of less energy and the smart use of prompt caching.
Pistols at dawn (Score:2)
Let's have a good old fashioned duel.
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Give the spectators guns as well - that way if Sam and Elon both miss, others can finish the job.
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Two of the most powerful men on Earth (Score:3, Interesting)
You don't have to take the gun away from the child but you don't get to complain when the kids shoots you.
In this case the metaphor means they are going to load your 401K with bogus crap stock that's going to collapse and you're going to be working until you drop dead.
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The current world is as if somebody freed all the Batman villains to run the companies, government, and wars.
Alien vs. Predator (Score:5, Insightful)
Whoever wins, we lose.
This is like the Gambino and Genovese crime families going at each other.
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More like Beavis vs. Butthead
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More like Beavis vs. Butthead
I recall this one episode where the boys are tasked with doing a chocolate bar fundraiser for their school. IIRC, they manage to sell a single candy bar and then "loan" the dollar between each other repeatedly until they've purchased (and eaten) all the chocolate for themselves. What an absolutely perfect unintentional metaphor for the tech bro industry.
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Yeah that is one of my favorite episodes actually. I thought I was the only one who really appreciated it.
Why focus on the Elon/Sam fight? (Score:3)
The story about the greedy bright bulbs which OpenAI poached from Apple who have no clue about opsec interested me more.
OpenAI is not hiring the best ... Sam's little hardware adventure a giant waste of money now with a giant liability from criminal behaviour attached.
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"Sam's little hardware adventure a giant waste of money ..."
As is any project involving Jony Ive. Let's not forget all the magnificent frauds involved!
Oh look, the spoiled brats are fighting (Score:2)
Why should the rest of us give a shit? Why even give them the attention? They're both shitheads who don't care about the regular person.
Musk posts an emoji (Score:1)
Musks posts an emoji and CNBC reports.
And why do we give these man children attention? I would have thought that at least Altman let's Musk make a fool of himself without joining in. Not that I think high of Altman, but I thought he may at least be an adult.
Re: Musk posts an emoji (Score:3)
When you are in an echo chamber and everyone kisses your ass, they no longer think like the rest of us (insert people with at least 15-20 million in the bank, billionaires and now a trillionaire).
It warps people and they think people care what they have to say.
Takes one to know one (Score:2)
I have to laugh (Score:2)
Considering that Siri is dumb as a box of rocks, I can't help but imagine that the only trade secrets stolen from Apple were what not to do.