Lawmaker Who Wants Data Center Pause Wins Kansas Democratic Primary (nytimes.com) 47
Kansas Democrats nominated State Senator Cindy Holscher for governor after she defeated party-backed rival Ethan Corson. "The race became a test of what sort of candidate Democratic voters prefer in what is expected to be a challenging general election race: a more moderate candidate like Mr. Corson with endorsements from party leaders or an outspoken populist like Ms. Holscher, who spoke out against data centers and the political establishment," reports The New York Times. From the repot: Even in a national political environment that could favor Democrats, Republicans see the Kansas governorship as among their best opportunities for flipping a seat. President Trump carried Kansas by 16 percentage points in 2024, and Republicans hold supermajorities in the State Legislature. Voters in the Republican primary for governor nominated Ty Masterson, the president of the Kansas Senate and the recipient of Mr. Trump's endorsement, according to The A.P.
Ms. Holscher, who is from suburban Kansas City, sought out a lane to Mr. Corson's political left and made inroads with some of the state's progressive voters. She emphasized her role in unwinding former Gov. Sam Brownback's tax policies and called for a moratorium on data centers. She also spoke against a final deal to lure the Kansas City Chiefs across the state line from Missouri. Ms. Holscher presented an implicit critique of Ms. Kelly's stewardship of Kansas, referring to Mr. Corson as part of a political establishment that was too cozy with corporations and out of touch with the party's voters. "I'm the only Democrat in this race to call for a moratorium on data centers because we have to get these guardrails in place," said Holscher in an interview. "We are having our people and our resources exploited."
Ms. Holscher, who is from suburban Kansas City, sought out a lane to Mr. Corson's political left and made inroads with some of the state's progressive voters. She emphasized her role in unwinding former Gov. Sam Brownback's tax policies and called for a moratorium on data centers. She also spoke against a final deal to lure the Kansas City Chiefs across the state line from Missouri. Ms. Holscher presented an implicit critique of Ms. Kelly's stewardship of Kansas, referring to Mr. Corson as part of a political establishment that was too cozy with corporations and out of touch with the party's voters. "I'm the only Democrat in this race to call for a moratorium on data centers because we have to get these guardrails in place," said Holscher in an interview. "We are having our people and our resources exploited."
It's Kansas (Score:1)
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This.
Primaries are almost always a circle jerk. Where the rubber meets road will be the general election, and I don't even have to look on Kashi/Polymarket to tell you how that's going to turn out in a +16 Trump district.
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That's so ridiculous that I'm not sure how to respond.
Sure, the Dems want universal healthcare, and the GOP protects a President who was convicted of rape, and who raped and sex trafficked chidlren, and who's also a Russian asset.
Yeah, I see the similarities.. NOT.
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There's a BIG difference between what it appears is taking over the Democrat party, the DSA (Democratic Socialists of America)...aka US Communists....and the Republicans, and even the traditional Democrats.
It isn't so much they are "progressive"...looking at their platform they are mostly communists AND are actively wanting to burn down the US and how it is run and put together by our forefathers and the Constitution, etc.
I
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Northern VA is a liberal utopia and there are data centers everywhere.
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Fool me (Score:2)
"Trump carried Kansas by 16 percentage points in 2024"
Fool me twice..
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The Democrats are going to have a hard time leaning into anti-data Center because even though it's extremely popular the most powerful and wealthy members of the Epstein class on Earth have decided whether you and I like it or not data centers are getting built and we're all just going to have to pay for it because you don't get rich by paying for thi
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Building data centers also does create some short-term work for the trade industry. More demand for electricity would actually be a good thing too, if the need was met by building new renewable generation capacity, rather than just jacking up prices.
Basically, it's the lack of regulation that's the problem - not the data centers.
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This is about electing the governor.
It is a statewide election, so gerrymandering is irrelevant.
The "data center" hot topic... (Score:4, Informative)
Reality is? The places that allow new data centers where they interfere with the existing population are just going to wind up with regrets.
They remind me a bit of the battles over putting in new landfills/dumps. Everyone knows we need them, but it's always "not in my back yard"!
The thing is? The need for more data centers is questionable. If all this AI growth turns the corner and companies decide much of it was just overblown hype? Then those data centers will quickly wind back down again.
Even in "best case" scenarios, they don't employ many people once they're constructed, and they use large amounts of resources -- which tend to be sold at discounted rates as part of the deals struck when they move into an area. Everyone else gets stuck covering any losses by way of rate increases.
A landfill may smell bad, but it's not using up the lion's share of available electric power in my town or using a big portion of available clean water.
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A landfill may smell bad, but it's not using up the lion's share of available electric power in my town or using a big portion of available clean water.
Landfills sometimes do end up contaminating the groundwater.
Also, it's absolutely possible to cool data centers without using any water at all. You'll just use more electricity. The issue mostly that the water is cheaper than the electricity.
Re: The "data center" hot topic... (Score:2)
You will also need more space for radiators or money and maybe also space for ground loops of you are not using cooling towers. It's not just more electricity
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Even in "best case" scenarios, they don't employ many people once they're constructed, and they use large amounts of resources -- which tend to be sold at discounted rates as part of the deals struck when they move into an area. Everyone else gets stuck covering any losses by way of rate increases.
A landfill may smell bad, but it's not using up the lion's share of available electric power in my town or using a big portion of available clean water.
Whether "AI" is hype or will burst its bubble remains to be seen...nobody can be sure yet, but there are huge bets that it will persist in one form or another.
But your above comments are completely lacking any grounding in facts. At best they are something you read in some FUD newspaper article with an agenda against datacenters for some reason they can't really explain. I'll buy an argument that they make noise...chillers definitely do...but the rest is nonsense and factually untrue.
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SpaceX has 1.4GW of (nameplate) compute infrastructure, and they are not the biggest player. >1GW load, with plans to double it within 6 months, is a real concern for infrastructure.
California has a peak electrical demand around 35-40GW as a frame of reference. Load growth on the peak of more than ~300MW is a very big deal. When you have 5-10 players collectively looking at adding >20MW over the next two years there are no cheap and easy solutions for additional capacity.
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The need for more data centers is questionable. If all this AI growth turns the corner and companies decide much of it was just overblown hype? Then those data centers will quickly wind back down again.
In the worst case, they'll add interior walls (and maybe add some windows to the exterior walls), and resell it as office space, residential space, factory space, retail distribution space, or even a community library. After all, floors built to support racks of equipment should handle the weight and distribution of stacks of books without breaking a sweat.
So the construction might be overkill for what they eventually get used for, but it's not like a newly built, solid building isn't going to find a use.
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Might be tough to meet egress though, unless you're splitting each floor into "apartments" the size of a small grocery store (or insanely long and narrow).
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What are these things you call books?
They're things you find in a place called a liiiiiii-brary.
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You're right, but the problem is going to be location in many cases. Would a former data center make a great public library? Technically, it might. But when it was built out in the middle of some farm land, where they originally got a good deal on the land by buying some farmers out who were willing to sell? Now, it might not make so much sense.
Or as an example closer to home for me? Our own city is fielding requests to construct data centers right now. There are rumors about our now closed-down steel plant
People have to change how they vote (Score:2)
This is why education especially the humanities is so importa
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or using a big portion of available clean water.
It is worth noting that datacentres do not remotely use a big portion of available clean water. In the USA it's use is 2% of the total water consumption, compared to some . That is a discussion that is missing the point. The point is that datacentres use water for questionable purposes and goals. The vast majority of water use (about half) is irrigation and agrculture, followed by municipal supply (20-30% depending on location). The rest is industrial.
But all those other categories at least provide somethin
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That's a good deal.
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For extremists of all flavors, violence is always preferable to the voting booth.
Re: "The Beating of a Liberal" (Score:2)
Of course it's possible, he's a grifter DINO
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newsom a dino? check it out folks, horseshoe theory is real
He wants to force medicate the homeless, he's not a good guy. I guess anonymous coward bots don't have to know anything before posting though.
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I have this great idea for a new TV show. The premise is simple. Just toss a liberal celebrity into the ring with a couple of Marines, and spend about an hour filming him getting the living shit beat out of him. Wouldn't it be great, every night you can turn on your TV and watch some loathsome parasite like Gavin Newsom or Chuck Schumer getting a Front Street Face Lift? If that's not a hit, I don't know what is!
I have this great idea for a new TV show. The premise is simple. Just toss a conservative cuck into the ring with a couple of grannies with umbrellas, and spend about five minutes filming him getting the living shit beat out of him. Wouldn't it be great, every night you can turn on your TV and watch some loathsome parasite like Donald Trump or Stephen Miller getting a Main Street Enucleation? If that's not a hit, I don't know what is!
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Bad news (Score:4, Insightful)
Such anti-establishment candidates have won recent elections but never on a federal level. The journalistic dishonesty and dark money poured into manipulating voters to accept right-wing outcomes cannot be stopped by truth and the lessons of history.
The corporations will spend their money attacking her popularity and platform, and returning the election to a weak contest between a do-nothing Democrat and a break-everything Republican.
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Never on a federal leval? So, Bernie isn't a Senator, and AOC isn't in Congress, or, for that matter, my Rep, Raskin, isn't in Congress?
You'd almost think that people voting Dems were tired of Reagan Republicans in a blue suit...
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And even better, they're funded by foreign sources. Like $243 million from a Swiss billionaire to "(re)interpret the American Constitution". https://americansforpublictrus... [americansf...ctrust.org]
And here's a lesson from history: After over a century of testing, Socialism has only every produced inequality, suffering, and genocide. Never has it resulted in anyth