Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Meta and Oracle Expect a Negative Cash Flow of $125 Billion Next Year (washingtonpost.com) 49
The Washington Post shared surprising news this week about five top AI companies.
Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Meta and Oracle "are spending so much on developing AI and delivering it to customers that they're expected to bleed cash in the coming year, according to a Washington Post analysis of data compiled by S&P Global Market Intelligence." Free cash flow, which measures the cash left over after paying expenses and AI infrastructure costs, is now expected to shrink to almost nothing for the five companies combined in 2026, and decline again to negative $125 billion the following year... AI spending by Amazon and Google pushed the companies to an ignominious milestone: They lost more cash in the past three months than any other large U.S. companies, according to S&P Global data. Investment analysts expect Elon Musk's SpaceX to show even worse cash bleeding this week.
Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Meta and Oracle "are spending so much on developing AI and delivering it to customers that they're expected to bleed cash in the coming year, according to a Washington Post analysis of data compiled by S&P Global Market Intelligence." Free cash flow, which measures the cash left over after paying expenses and AI infrastructure costs, is now expected to shrink to almost nothing for the five companies combined in 2026, and decline again to negative $125 billion the following year... AI spending by Amazon and Google pushed the companies to an ignominious milestone: They lost more cash in the past three months than any other large U.S. companies, according to S&P Global data. Investment analysts expect Elon Musk's SpaceX to show even worse cash bleeding this week.
Woudn't be surprised if it all comes crashing down (Score:5, Insightful)
Where is the prudent restraint?
What we have here are business chasing other business over the same AI stuff. That's a positive feedback loop which at some point is going to become unstable and crash.
Will these companies survive that? Maybe some, but not all of them.
Will the investing public get hurt? Very likely.
Re: Woudn't be surprised if it all comes crashing (Score:3)
I don't think this will kill Microsoft, Google, Meta, Amazon or Oracle. Their worwr case is having to dump their AI programs, take a stock hit, and issue some bonds. They all have enough revenue for the foreseeable future that they won't bankrupt.
Re: Woudn't be surprised if it all comes crashing (Score:5, Interesting)
Oracle may not, they are way over leveraged. Ellison caught FOMO disease. The Fed. Gov. cutting them a deal with the Department of DEFENSE was throwing them a fish to help them get by a disaster, but it's still peanuts compared to what Ellison sunk into the craze. And their reputed expected winnings are from AI companies, just the companies that will take it in the neck if China AI steals their markets.
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What would happen if Oracle went down?
I guess they would be asset stripped and their software treated like VMWare is treated by Broadcom - basically only companies that got incompetently trapped would stay on it and they would have to pay massively more just to get much worse service. Oracle DB itself is going down for sure. Amazon can definitely migrate companies off that without huge problems. Oracle's business software can be replaced by SAS consulting and so on?
I guess that it's time for people that ear
Re: Woudn't be surprised if it all comes crashing (Score:4, Insightful)
What would happen if Oracle went down?
Both database admins and anyone who's ever dealt with Oracle's licensing department would get blind drunk for at least a week.
After that things would slowly return to normal.
Re:Woudn't be surprised if it all comes crashing d (Score:4, Insightful)
Where is the prudent restraint?
What we have here are business chasing other business over the same AI stuff. That's a positive feedback loop which at some point is going to become unstable and crash.
It's another bubble. The size of this bubble is pretty impressive. When it pops, much shit shall hit the fan.
I have thought for some years now that AI is inevitable, but just like the dot-com bubble, and the subprime loan bubble, the present paradigm isn't sustainable, and companies are acing toward data centers that require restarting ancient nuc reactors, and making a hella mess out of groundwater.
One of the telling tremors is Texas, which has so many data centers planned, they cannot provide enough power to them. So they are "temporarily halting them. Only 474 GW, https://hardware.slashdot.org/... [slashdot.org]
Unsustainable concepts, but we do tend to march like lemmings to the cliffs.
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It's another bubble.
But previous bubbles had some form of value and income, and there was something of value left for others to purchase. This AI bubble is different, and when it pops it's going to be really painful.
Re: Woudn't be surprised if it all comes crashing (Score:3)
AI definitely has some value and income.
Not as much as it's being hyped as, but significant. Anthropic for example will get nearly 50 billion in revenue this year.
And the value of people using AI smartly is definitely not zero. We're in the late 90s internet part of this. In 10 years there will be AI that we take for granted making some companies billions and a lot of failed companies. There's no reason to think otherwise.
It's also not going to replace lawyers and doctors, it will be part of how they do the
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Re: Woudn't be surprised if it all comes crashing (Score:2)
I am one of them. Was repairing a water pump and needed an adapter. Local shop was clueless. Described what I needed to gpt. It searched around and found the perfect piece in a webshop. Would have taken me a
Re: Woudn't be surprised if it all comes crashing (Score:2)
A lot of companies went bust during the dot com crash. Arenâ(TM)t a number of infrastructure companies handing free tokens to ai companies as investment, then booking use of those tokens as revenue, then going out spending cash or borrowing money to build hundreds of billions in capex?
Re: Woudn't be surprised if it all comes crashing (Score:2)
Re: Woudn't be surprised if it all comes crashing (Score:2)
Re: Woudn't be surprised if it all comes crashing (Score:2)
âoe Will these companies survive that?â
Ask your AI!
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Will the investing public get hurt? Very likely.
Followed by taxpayers taking in the shorts to pay for the bailouts. And there will be bailouts.
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They have done massive circular financing and massive burning of stupid ("investor") money. I would be very surprised if it does not come crashing down at this point. No matter what happens now, they cannot get profitable in the next few years. That is just completely outside of anything realistically possible. And at the same time, the problems with "LLM for everything" become more and more obvious.
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Which of these four is likely to die? Tell us, so we can laugh.
Is this fine, really? (Score:3, Interesting)
They will ask later, "but were there any signs of a bubble?" - for those that are busy with stocks that are "going to the moon" and riding the new paradigm I'm sure this is perfectly sustainable.
I, personally, use AI with great results that deliver actual commercial benefit for me...however there are 1000 people for every one person like me that manage to just spend and achieve mediocre or worse results and I say this to ask one question: If all this AI is really so great, so effective and so needed why then must it be subsidised?
Re:Is this fine, really? (Score:5, Funny)
Pass the popcorn (Score:2)
That was the best/only joke Slashdot can come up with these years? Sadness.
I was hoping to see something about AI-powered FinTech counter-wagers to protect each other. Sort of a corporate cancer circle jerk.
Oh how about a grand scheme to get the money back based on wagers by human suckers as to which AI will win the race? They could let Microsoft hold the pot since they apparently got left out of the race. My money would be on Oracle for most secretive and ruthless and evil and therefore the most likely win
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My bad. I forgot that Microsoft had been mentioned. More evidence of senility? Or I just can't take Microsoft seriously based on my experiments and experiences with Copilot? So let IBM hold the pot for old times sake?
Re: Is this fine, really? (Score:2)
Re: Is this fine, really? (Score:1)
Their biggest customer here is OpenAI to the tune of around $300 billion, a customer that is expected to make a loss of around €14 billion this year.
Probably fine?
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Actually I like that it's rendered like this. It's a great way to spot Windows users.
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While LLMs have some specific areas where they are useful, there is nothing positive or useful about the insane hype they are used in.
Re: Is this fine, really? (Score:2)
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You continue to be without insight. Nothing new.
Re: Is this fine, really? (Score:2)
Re: Is this fine, really? (Score:2)
AI gooners are always telling us what it *will* do if we just wait a few more years - AGI is just around the corner! -The plain fact is that LLM inference systems are plateauing, with exponentially more power needed for smaller and smaller gains. The limit they are hitting is real and far below AGI.
Re: Is this fine, really? (Score:2)
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And more lack of insight. Because that "misinformation" is what actually happens at the moment.
Re: Is this fine, really? (Score:2)
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Two great sources to get you started:
Michael Burry, the guy from The Big Short who foresaw the housing crisis of 2008. This guy know his numbers: https://michaeljburry.substack... [substack.com]
Ed Zitron, investigative journalist. He's been cataloging the AI bubble for a few years now, demonstrating that AI is not profitable and not AGI: https://www.wheresyoured.at/ [wheresyoured.at]
These guys are in-depth, detailed, and thorough. You'll have to put a few hours into reading them to really understand all the details, but you can get a prett
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Or, more likely, if they went tits up their "property" (our personal data) would be bought up by people who are even worse.
Re:Wouldn't it be stellar? (Score:5, Insightful)
Or, more likely, if they went tits up their "property" (our personal data) would be bought up by people who are even worse.
Worse than Oracle? Oh my!
"surprising" (Score:3)
Only to people who have no knowledge of the dot com boom.
Re: "surprising" (Score:3)
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There were winners in the dot-com boom/bust. The problem is the wins always rush to the top, and nothing trickles down.
Some pigs got slaughtered. That's all. Bulls make money. Bears make money. Pigs get slaughtered.
But more importantly, the new market's signature dish is the distribution of most of the wealth to the few, who then rig up the next boom/bust to "distribute" even more wealth to themselves. This is why this activity is being engaged in so fearlessly. And it is, as real economic value crawls to a
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There were winners in the dot-com boom/bust. The problem is the wins always rush to the top, and nothing trickles down.
Nah. It's just like every previous innovation-driven boom (railroads, oil, telecoms...) the growth and buildout phase generates incredible new wealth, highly concentrated (Vanderbilt, Stanford, Rockefeller, Carnegie, etc.), . Then there are several decades of adaptation and adoption, during which the benefits accrue to the population broadly. This doesn't decrease the wealth of those who got crazy rich during the boom, but their wealth stops growing rapidly and they just become the new "old money". Then
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Transfer of cash to NVIDIA (Score:3)
Horace Dideu characterized this as an unprecedented transfer of cash from Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Meta and Oracle shareholders to NVIDIA shareholders. Those are companies with real, substantial revenues and until now, significant positive cash flow (yielding shareholder value.) Draining the tub this way is something that should worry those shareholders. But of course, it's a great year to be an NVIDIA shareholder, with all those other companies (plus OpenAI, Anthropic, and other smaller AI companies) all pouring their free cash flow AND their growing debt, into NVIDIA, and into other companies that supply AI data centers.
That is not news (Score:2)
That has been clear for a while now. And, unless the AI hype collapses, the next year will not be any better.