US Hires Over 2,000 Video Gamers As Air Traffic Controllers (cbsnews.com) 86
The FAA says its push to recruit video gamers as air traffic controllers has helped it hire more than 2,000 trainees, reaching 94% of its hiring goal. Another 2,000-plus candidates are in the pipeline. CBS News reports: U.S. Secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy said in a recent social media post that the federal agency's recruitment campaign to recruit gamers as air traffic controllers has been a "game changer" for the Federal Aviation Administration. [...] When Duffy announced the initiative in April, he acknowledged that the Transportation Department needed to extend its reach to recruit prospective air traffic controllers.
"A lot of what they do playing games ... is what they do ... controlling traffic in the air," Duffy told CBS News senior transportation correspondent Kris Van Cleave in an interview on Tuesday at New Jersey's Newark Liberty International Airport. Duffy added that many current trainees started out as gamers. Only about 25% of controllers hold a traditional college degree, while former controllers note that gaming requires many of the same skills that air traffic controllers use on the job, such as thinking quickly, staying focused and managing multiple sources of information as they guide more than 80,000 flights to their destinations daily.
"A lot of what they do playing games ... is what they do ... controlling traffic in the air," Duffy told CBS News senior transportation correspondent Kris Van Cleave in an interview on Tuesday at New Jersey's Newark Liberty International Airport. Duffy added that many current trainees started out as gamers. Only about 25% of controllers hold a traditional college degree, while former controllers note that gaming requires many of the same skills that air traffic controllers use on the job, such as thinking quickly, staying focused and managing multiple sources of information as they guide more than 80,000 flights to their destinations daily.
They had to find suckers somewhere (Score:1, Insightful)
It's a shit job for which you are underpaid and which has only gotten harder under this administration. No wonder they had to hire people who spend their time in fantasy worlds because they are capable of sufficient suspension of disbelief
Re:They had to find suckers somewhere (Score:5, Insightful)
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It's a six figure job with almost guaranteed overtime with federal benefits.
Take a long, careful look around you, then tell me you're confident that all of what you just said will still be true in a year or two.
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re: replacing with AI (Score:5, Interesting)
I, for one, doubt we'll see air traffic control replaced by AI any time soon. The big reason is accountability. If one air traffic controller completely screws things up and causes a plane crash -- that person can be singled out, terminated, and things return to normal. If the AI they replaced the human workers with screws up and causes a plane crash? Now you're talking about years of ongoing investigation, arguments/debates and pressure to bring the human workers back.
Re: replacing with AI (Score:4, Insightful)
Also, one human air traffic controller is one of many thousands. If they screw up, they screw up, but all the rest are unaffaced. You remove that person from the job during the investigation and life (and air traffic) goes on.
If the AI controller screws up, all air traffic controller must be shut down immediately until the cause is identified and remediated.
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Anyone who is considering the replacement of tried-and-true safety-critical systems with AI is asking for criminal negligence charges at the very least when it fucks up.
Nobody with any sanity whatsoever would honestly suggest that at this point.
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For sure the demand will still be there, and it is a high rate burn out job. So if you can handle it and don't mind the stress
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Not to mention, for many of these new recruits they don't even have a "traditional college degree" (whatever that particular phrase is supposed to mean). There's not a lot of routes to that degree of job security and, assuming you put in the work to rise through the ranks, that level of pay without having a college degree. I can definitely see why there'd be a great level of interest.
Re:They had to find suckers somewhere (Score:5, Insightful)
with federal benefits
Is the federal benefit to not get paid because the Democrats won't pass a spending bill because the Republicans add riders on it that undermine the very foundations of democracy?
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How many jobs have you had that had that kind of overtime?
I worked for Ameritech (a Baby Bell) back in the mid-nineties. Let me tell you about the "regular" 10 hour days, and the far-too-frequent 11, 12, and 14 hour days. And the constant paging while at home. It got to the point that my late wife was only semi-joking about suing them for alienation of affection.
AND that doesn't include "no, you cannot save and redo, if they crash, their LIVES are YOUR FAULT"...
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I first off agree it is a super high stress job with long hours
They've got long hours because there aren't enough controllers. If they can get the number of controllers up where it should be they can work 40 hours, or possibly even 30.
How am i supposed to leave ? (Score:2)
I am supposed to quit the country. Now i will have to leave by boat ! Well, at least less risk of TSA or ICE.
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avoid the caribbean ...
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XD
I wish i had mod points.
Anyone else have that ATC dos game as a kid? (Score:4, Interesting)
No? Just me?
https://dosgames.com/game/air-... [dosgames.com]
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I'm not familiar with that game, but this story does remind me of Missile Command.
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I saw these. :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Ubermicro (Score:2)
Yeah I can see that. The skill they're referring to is called ubermicro. If you have ubermicro you can definitely manage an ATC board.
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Considering those gamers living in momma's basement and maybe working at 7 eleven or Walmart might have clocked in more hours playing video games which nowadays are not too different from an actual simulator used by Boeing or Airbus, just in a smaller scale, but with all its supporting functions being delegated to those willing to do it, than someone who never ever seen what an ATC job entails but wants a 6 figure job to pay for their unrelated college education? Yeah, better those 7-eleven or Walmar gamers
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Its not racism or prejudice in the sense of judging people by immaterial qualities (skin color, sex/gender/ethnicity/etc) , it is the prejudice of Elitism. They think ONLY their elite compatriots are or should be eligible to doing the six figure job. There was a cute 80s movie that took this Elitism to task, The Last Starfighter.
It fits this pretty well.
Re: Just... wow (Score:2)
Cute eighties movies about inexplicably skilled protagonists doing space combat which would absolutely actually be done by a computer don't prove anything except that suspension of disbelief is necessary to enjoy Hollywood movies.
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I can own the prejudice you charge me with, to some extent. But racism??? What The Actual Fuck!!!
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Considering those gamers living in momma's basement and maybe working at 7 eleven or Walmart might have clocked in more hours playing video games which nowadays are not too different from an actual simulator used by Boeing or Airbus
Please.. JFC, stop. You need to sucker under 30s preferably with no family into a high-stress government job that gets exciting in the most horrible ways, so you target "gamers".
Everyone can stop trying hard to make a connection, it's a recruiting strategy. You could make up an even better bunch of fluff for targeting people exiting military service too. I'm sure they do try, and I'm sure that demographic already knows the game too damn well or they would have made their numbers there.
If the Marine Corps ru
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I doubt the 2,000 trainees (likely from a pool of 20,000 gamers) will result in more than 500 people that make it through two years.
The US has around 14,000 controllers so that puts them close to a nominal replacement rate. It is not a magic game changer, but if they do manage to retain more or expand the recruiting class size it will help over ~5 years.
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Thanks for the info. I had an assumption - which I hadn't thought to question - that the gamers would form a much larger percentage of the workforce. My bad.
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Interesting take.
If I understand your core point is that this group of (largely young men) is worthless, and suitable in your view for what, street sweeping? Picking cotton? What employment would you deem low enough for people who (shudder!) enjoy computer games?
I'm genuinely curious why you despise them so. Would it be better that these jobs remain unfilled by anyone? I expect that would lead to more deaths, is it worth that so these human dregs can be adequately punished for living at home or working
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Interesting take.
If I understand your core point is that this group of (largely young men) is worthless, and suitable in your view for what, street sweeping? Picking cotton? What employment would you deem low enough for people who (shudder!) enjoy computer games?
No employment at all. I suspect the only thing he'd find acceptable would be if they just go away somewhere he doesn't have to look at them and die quietly.
I'm genuinely curious why you despise them so.
We tend to see in others what we see in ourselves. And he sees worthless losers everywhere he looks.
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If I understand your core point is that this group of (largely young men) is worthless, and suitable in your view for what, street sweeping?
I wasn't thinking they're worthless, but simply unprepared by their lives-to-date for the role they're signing up for. On further reflection - prompted by all the pushback in this thread - I now realize that I wasn't thinking clearly. Thanks for the challenge, an sincere apologies for my thoughtlessness.
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You honestly sound like you are trying to justify your overly expensive degree. If you learned by gaming and not overpaying for 'an education' you don't need the big salary to cover your enormous debt.
Imagine you could build an education system that weeds out the duds naturally while the stud
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You honestly sound like you are trying to justify your overly expensive degree. If you learned by gaming and not overpaying for 'an education' you don't need the big salary to cover your enormous debt.
No degree here - just one year of post-secondary education at a private technical college. But thanks for the implied compliment.
Imagine you could build an education system that weeds out the duds naturally while the students have fun and compile zero debt... That is gaming. College can't compete.
An excellent point. Next time I'll strive to get there on my own and resist my itchy trigger finger.
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"3 dimensional thinking and problem solving is something you can learn to be good at"
It really isn't, not to a meaningful degree. You can sharpen cast iron, too, but that doesn't mean you'll have a sharp knife.
Spatial thinking (which is heavily linked to problem solving) is fairly tightly coupled to inborn intellect and early education capability attainment.
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You might be surprised by how many slashdotters had an interest in computer games that drew them into the field. Liking games is not a proxy for intelligence or work ethic.
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Nothing says "clown-show shit-hole" like hiring gamers - many of whom undoubtedly live in momma's basement and maybe work at 7-eleven or Walmart - to look after the safety of all those people both in airplanes and under their flight paths. Brilliant!
New air traffic controller hires would all be in the 21-31 years old bracket. The PS3 and Xbox 360 released 20 years ago. These are people who grew up with video games being around them.
I don't understand why they're promoting that they're "hiring gamers" (it's what the gamers would call a "weird flex") but it's not that surprising that new hires would be "gamers" if you define "gamers" loosely enough to include anyone who plays video games somewhat routinely.
And, to be quite frank, the skills that make a g
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I don't understand why they're promoting that they're "hiring gamers" (it's what the gamers would call a "weird flex") but it's not that surprising that new hires would be "gamers" if you define "gamers" loosely enough to include anyone who plays video games somewhat routinely.
I suspect they're looking to score points for creativity and open-mindedness. I think the current administration is desperate for high-profile good news stories to further distract folks from all the crap that's been raining down from above.
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Hmm. Not everyone has a passion for video games. Playing wordl on your phone is technically gaming... When I read this ad, it sounds like they want people that game as their major hobby, etc. Not just people that grew up around games and occasionally poked at it. One has domain knowledge and experience, the other just knows they exist but doesn't really care that much about them.
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many of whom undoubtedly live in momma's basement and maybe work at 7-eleven or Walmart
Tell us you don't know what a "gamer" is without telling us. I know many gamers. We sink many hours a day into gaming. One of us even has a Twitch stream and several records, and a Youtube channel with a significant number of subscribers to the point where he gets advanced copies from the developers of the games he mostly showcases.
We're engineers by the way, well except for one of us who's a finance executive, we all own our own houses, actually my "momma" is staying with us next week while visiting though
I'd really like to be snarky about this (Score:2)
But it actually seems like a good idea. Like a stopped clock, this administration is accidentally correct every once in a while, but it's definitely a lot less than twice a day.
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When it comes to safety in air travel, the current administration has nowhere to go but up. [therevolvi...roject.org]
Re the current plan to hire gamers to control air-traffic, I could say "let's wait and see" but I think that's reckless. These new candidates need to show they're fit for the job, perhaps more so than those who have been recruited hitherto using legacy criteria.
In short, I don't share your optimism: I'm not yet convinced it's a good idea.
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I know that. I'm skeptical of the pool from which they are drawing. You can't check for everything in the pre-screening and training. Higher standards at the start is a step towards greater safety.
Game mode (Score:2)
I hope someone is letting them know this game is stuck in permadeath mode.
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Experiment (Score:2)
Will it work? Perhaps. Needs to be tested.
The job is well paid hell. Too much stress. But part of that is excess overtime. If we can hire enough people the job could become better, if less paid due to less overtime.
"Fuck this job." (Score:2)
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You've hinted at the bigger problem. The US air control system is obsolete. Every time an upgrade has been funded, it has failed. And a sizable chunk (15%+) of the money became campaign contributions to members of Congress.
Over in "communist" Canada, their ATC is an run by an NGO, which is funded by the airlines and private pilots.
Maybe the USA should do the same.
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What do you mean? The greatest change in aviation history is happening right now - ADS-B. Granted, it's around 30 years old by now (it was trialed
Re: I don't understand the verification process (Score:4, Interesting)
Itâ(TM)s not a requirement, itâ(TM)s a recruiting campaign. Theyâ(TM)re advertising the job in places they think gamers will see it. Thereâ(TM)s no indication theyâ(TM)re lessening or changing the requirements or vetting process at all. Itâ(TM)s just a marketing campaign.
Do you get to ? (Score:2)
Do you get to verbally abuse your opponents, err I mean passengers like they do on the net games ?
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All your jets are belong to US !!!!
What they think ATC does (Score:2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Ender's Game (Score:2)
I can't wait for Rockstar Games to do the sound effects.
hobbies vs jobs (Score:2)
When you hobby becomes your job you might start liking your hobby less.
Hired? (Score:1)
Friendly reminders (Score:2)
Someone needs to remind our new Federal Employees that rage quitting and throwing
a tantrum when things don't go your way isn't conducive to a long career as an Air Traffic
Controller.
Dude, how do I restart the scenario? (Score:3)
Need to revert to the last save - cant find the button - TIA
ATC desperately needs an upgrade (Score:2)
For decades it seems like FAA has be
It's pretty crazy to think of all the advancements in aviation technology over the decades are still then at mercy of a guy in a (figurative) tower, shooting off rapid fire directions over a shared radio frequency Radio channels being talked over, static, mistakes in delivery, let alone regional accents and international language. I don't know one thing about this other than as a frequent flyer and sometime viewer of VAS Aviation channel.
But when I think of say aircra
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Appreciate the insight from an aviator. Agreed I still want a human in the tower (and two in the cockpit). In some ways your post reinforces what I am noting, namely that there have been a host of technological improvements in aircraft and ATC like GPS, TCAS, and the ones you listed above. But then those improvements are all pushed through the same bottleneck of one or two controllers managing hectic workload on a few common frequencies.
A recent example of an 'unforced error' might be the tragedy Air C
Okay, but ... (Score:2)
US Hires Over 2,000 Video Gamers As Air Traffic Controllers
Aren't many (most?) video games about destroying things? How much of their training will be about *not* crashing or shooting down planes? I guess it could work if scores are based on successful landings and course changes? Not as exciting, but maybe just as satisfying? They will know that there's no save, restore or reset functions - right? :-)
different set of consequences (Score:2)
I don't see the intersection here. The only thing the gamers have going for them is that they'll pay attention to something for hours/sometimes days before giving up because they like it and they think it's fun. Looking at radar screens and directing traffic over the radio doesn't seem like a similar job.
What's more likely is they'll get distracted by games they smuggle into the ATC tower. Gamers gonna game.
ATC's Game (Score:1)
'Remember, Pilots - The Ground is "Down". Now, on my mark, everybody land... Go!'
Conversations (Score:2)
"How did you get hired?"
"I was top at Fortnite. You?"
"Combat flight sims."
"Damn, two Boeings just crashed over an oil refinery on city limits and took out half the city."
"Did you remember to save your position beforehand?"
"Yeah."
"The reload and continue from there. No-one will notice."
I love computer games. I have XPlane 12 and many scenery packs. I rank well on Elite:Dangerous. From the sounds of it, the FAA would see me as over-qualified. In reality? There's no way in hell I'd be taking those kinds of ris
overlapping skill set (Score:2)
Anyone that plays starcraft or similar, or that plays a healer in any MMORPG, should have NO trouble juggling planes.
This is a job for SuperAI (Score:2)
Another obvious joke would have been from the "What could possibly go wrong?" angle.
My actual feelings are mixed, but that got me to think of another possible angle for humor. The problem is that I don't know much about the current or even recent generations of video games, so I can't name the names of the games NOT to recruit from. I'm pretty sure there are games that involve lots of mayhem and Captain Chaos, Master of Mayhem, is NOT someone I want in charge of anything involving a plane (or bus or bicycle
Second thought about solution? (Score:2)
New idea about how to fix the moderation on Slashdot! Use AI. Can't be worse than the current moderation system, but AI is so trendy that maybe the latest owners (whoever they are, or perhaps incorrectly assuming someone still owns this mess) will eagerly embrace the AI.
So the idea would be for an AImod (AI moderator) to scan the posts and suggest the most likely moderation. It could even be done as part of the preview process to give posters 'objective feedback' about how their comment sounds. Perhaps even
ATC traffic should be interesting (Score:2)
I predict a distinct change in the tone and content of ATC radio instructions. Use of the gamer word will skyrocket.
Elimination round (Score:2)
Imagine what will happen when they hit the elimination round. Your usable lives is how many planes are in a holding pattern. The goal is to be the last one with a plane to control. The tournament will be explosively entertaining!
PLEASE remember one thing (Score:1)
Been done before... (Score:2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
But... (Score:2)