Canadian Streaming Content Becomes a US Trade Issue (www.cbc.ca) 229
Canada's cultural-content rules have become a flashpoint in its trade fight with the U.S., after American negotiators reportedly demanded that Ottawa drop requirements for streaming services to promote Canadian and French-language content. Canada refused, even as it has already backed away from some financial levies on streamers. "We were not prepared to compromise on our sovereignty, the protection of the French language, and our culture," Prime Minister Mark Carney said in a speech on Saturday after trade talks collapsed. CBC.ca reports: Ottawa has long required broadcasters to promote and support Canadian content (Cancon), all the way back to song quotas for AM radio stations. In 1991, the government brought in the Broadcasting Act. The law states that "the Canadian broadcasting system shall be effectively owned and controlled by Canadians" and that the Canadian broadcasting system should "serve to safeguard, enrich and strengthen the cultural, political, social and economic fabric of Canada." But decades later, the rising popularity in Canada of streaming platforms such as Netflix, YouTube, Amazon Prime and Spotify raised questions about Cancon and broadcasting rules. Video and audio streaming services were not, for example, required to support and promote Cancon, but their TV and radio counterparts were.
Looking to address the imbalance, the former Trudeau government brought forward a bill in 2022 to update the Broadcasting Act, called the Online Streaming Act. "Canadian broadcasters have invested in and introduced us to the incredible Canadian programs that so many of us love. We are updating our laws so online streamers have to contribute in a similar and equitable way," a 2022 government news release said. The legislation was controversial from the start, with the government and supporters saying it was a necessary evolution of Canada's media laws in the digital age, while opponents expressed concerns that it was overreach and an attempt to regulate the internet.
American streamers and digital media companies opposed the legislation fiercely. The bill passed with amendments and became law in April 2023, but the government delegated much of its interpretation -- including how much money streamers would have to contribute to Cancon -- to Canada's broadcast regulator, the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC). But getting streaming companies to pay up has been a long and confusing saga. [...]. As for why the U.S. government is so invested in the issue? Mariane Bourcheix-Laporte, a postdoctoral fellow in the communication studies and media arts department at McMaster University in Hamilton, said it could be about power.
"The Americans have had, since after World War II, a very strong cultural policy of pushing out American content into the world," Bourcheix-Laporte, who has worked with the CRTC, said. "This has been a strategy -- a soft-power strategy -- for the American government, in parallel to their military strategies and political alliances strategies."
Looking to address the imbalance, the former Trudeau government brought forward a bill in 2022 to update the Broadcasting Act, called the Online Streaming Act. "Canadian broadcasters have invested in and introduced us to the incredible Canadian programs that so many of us love. We are updating our laws so online streamers have to contribute in a similar and equitable way," a 2022 government news release said. The legislation was controversial from the start, with the government and supporters saying it was a necessary evolution of Canada's media laws in the digital age, while opponents expressed concerns that it was overreach and an attempt to regulate the internet.
American streamers and digital media companies opposed the legislation fiercely. The bill passed with amendments and became law in April 2023, but the government delegated much of its interpretation -- including how much money streamers would have to contribute to Cancon -- to Canada's broadcast regulator, the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC). But getting streaming companies to pay up has been a long and confusing saga. [...]. As for why the U.S. government is so invested in the issue? Mariane Bourcheix-Laporte, a postdoctoral fellow in the communication studies and media arts department at McMaster University in Hamilton, said it could be about power.
"The Americans have had, since after World War II, a very strong cultural policy of pushing out American content into the world," Bourcheix-Laporte, who has worked with the CRTC, said. "This has been a strategy -- a soft-power strategy -- for the American government, in parallel to their military strategies and political alliances strategies."
Go Doug Ford! (Score:5, Interesting)
Ontario Premier Doug Ford doubled down on saying U.S. President Donald Trump could "kiss my ass" https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada... [www.cbc.ca]
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3)
We are now in Canadian Bacon [wikipedia.org] territory.
Re: (Score:2)
I love that Doug Ford continues the stereotype of the polite Canadian. We all know that what he was thinking was way worse than what he said.
Re: (Score:2)
Just gonna drop this here.
http://www.harkavagrant.com/in... [harkavagrant.com]
Re: (Score:2)
Just gonna drop this here.
http://www.harkavagrant.com/in... [harkavagrant.com]
Yes, I'd really like to see the "typical Canadian reaction" in this case. Methinks another burning down of the White House would ensue, not this mild version.
Re: (Score:2, Interesting)
America's President is tearing down his own White House and saving Canadians the trip
It is sad to watch from up here. You all should stop the destruction coming from inside your own country
Re: (Score:3, Informative)
America's President is tearing down his own White House and saving Canadians the trip
And all Americans are obliviously letting it all happen.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
That was his late brother.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
I wonder if he could run for the US Senate. That kind of talk would be a refreshing change from all the licking of ass and boot. (The flavors must pair well.)
Re: (Score:2)
I wonder if he could run for the US Senate. That kind of talk would be a refreshing change from all the licking of ass and boot. (The flavors must pair well.)
Doug Ford is 61 years old. He is not an American citizen at the moment.
If he quit the Ontario Premiership, moved to the USA, and became a permanent resident right now (not sure how) he could become a US citizen in 5 years (3 if he married an American.)
After 9 years as a US citizen, he could run for the US Senate. He would be 76 (or 74) years old.
In short, it looks highly unlikely that he could (or even would) run for the US Senate.
"Trade issue" my ass (Score:5, Informative)
Donald Trump negotiated and signed CUSMA in 2018, calling it the most modern, up-to-date, and balanced trade agreement in the history of our country [archives.gov].
Then he unilaterally breaks the deal, applies illegal tariffs on Canadian goods (by the way, tariffs are consumption taxes on American consumers, in case you didn't realize that) and then tries strong-arming Canada into giving up its sovereignty.
No wonder our negotiators walked away. Fuck that shit. At this point, it's a trade war, and Canada's not going to talk without an attitude adjustment from the USA. For sure, Canada will feel a ton of economic pain... a lot more than the USA. We will definitely suffer. But Canadians are united and willing to take pain, while Americans are hopelessly divided and completely unwilling to endure any sort of economic pain.
I assume Canadian tariffs will target swing states and MAGA states. Anything we can do to hurt the MAGA bastards and hurt the Republicans' chances in the mid-terms is the most productive thing we can do to get the US-Canada trading relationship back on track.
Re: (Score:2)
For sure, Canada will feel a ton of economic pain
When dealing with trump it is was always going to be a lose-lose situation. If you had accepted the USA conditions you would lose more in the long term so I think Canada has done the right thing. Canada has earned the worlds respect for taking proactive steps to protect itself by diversifying its trade etc. I am keen for our country to join in a free trade agreement with Canada given our common values and attitudes.
Re:"Trade issue" my ass (Score:5, Insightful)
That's the real problem. The US can't sign any binding agreements. Even if their congress ratifies them, which is a big if, they have enough emergency executive powers that any random president can just decide they'd rather not abide by them.
Even if the demands hadn't been ridiculous, it's insane to sign any kind of agreement that results in lasting changes when the other side can just change their mind any time they want. That goes for trade, defence, nuclear non-proliferation. The US is going to find out that their perfidy has very high costs for everyone.
Re:"Trade issue" my ass (Score:4, Interesting)
For sure, Canada will feel a ton of economic pain... a lot more than the USA.
Likely, without a doubt some pain; everyone knows it was always going to be painful regardless, but now that pain is going to be under Canada's own terms, instead of the US' terms.
Re:"Trade issue" my ass (Score:5, Insightful)
Donald Trump negotiated and signed CUSMA in 2018, calling it the most modern, up-to-date, and balanced trade agreement in the history of our country [archives.gov].....Then he unilaterally breaks the deal
Yes, the lack of a deal in the current case is tempered by the fact that any deal with Trump is meaningless anyway, his word is worth less than nothing and agreements with him might as well be written on toilet paper. Rest assured the entire world knows this and couches their expectations appropriately.
Re:"Trade issue" my ass (Score:5, Insightful)
I would actually go further, and say that signing a deal with him isn't merely not worth the paper it's written on, it's actively harmful: people waste time and effort negotiating, end up agreeing to a lot of stuff that's really bad for them, and he still fucks them over and they are very often taken by surprise, despite the fact they shouldn't be, because people are used to deals having some kind of binding effect and it's tough to break away from that psychology.
Re: (Score:2)
people are used to deals having some kind of binding effect and it's tough to break away from that psychology.
I think in particular because we are talking about the USA, which used to be a serious country, indeed a world leader. It's kind of a drastic shock that they have become a banana republic almost overnight, somewhat akin to waking up to the sun rising in the west. I can imagine it's shocking to a shit ton of decent Americans too,
Re: "Trade issue" my ass (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
tariffs are consumption taxes on American consumers
But, if tariffs only hurt US consumers, then Canada wouldn't care. Of course, increasing the prices of Canadian goods means that Canadian companies sell less of them and/or reduce their selling price. Which hurts Canadians as well as hurting Americans.
Re: (Score:2)
I don't think the American side had some vague idea of pushing "American power". This was simply another example of Dear Leader trying to impose his dyspeptic will on another entity, in this case, Canada. Similarly, the "American side" (which is somewhat of a joke considering it included that bootlicker Lutnick) demanded Canada rein in its ability to pursue other trading deals with other countries.
A similar thing is happening with that other bootlicker, Bessent who is claiming Economic D-Day (or some such s
Re:"Trade issue" my ass (Score:4, Insightful)
Move to purple states and affect the vote? I dunno.
Re: (Score:3)
That would require real effort out of them.
Re: "Trade issue" my ass (Score:2)
Re:"Trade issue" my ass (Score:5, Informative)
How can we (blue state Americans) help you screw over the MAGAts?
One thought from this proud Canadian is that you might join us in our "No CUSMA no Boozema" boycotts. Don't buy Kentucky bourbon or California wine, and make it clear why you're not doing so. The Kentucky bourbon boycott probably has more bang for the buck, with the bonus that the pocketbooks pinched will belong primarily to MAGAts.
The other possibility - if you dare risk crossing your own border - is to bring your tourist dollars here. The New England states - along with places such as Bellingham in Washington and Niagara Falls and Buffalo in New York State - are hurting over Canadian boycotts. Make 'em hurt a little more - it might put another nail in the coffin of the Republicans' chances of winning. (Worth noting that news media in those areas STILL cling to the fiction that the decline is because of the exchange rate. As if!)
Thanks for your thoughtfulness. Above all, "Thank you for your attention to this matter!"
Re: (Score:2)
(Worth noting that news media in those areas STILL cling to the fiction that the decline is because of the exchange rate. As if!)
I've been watching a lot of Canadian content creators talking politics, and this is one of those "irritants" that keep coming up - disproved by the fact that the exchange rate is basically the same as in past decades, and Canadians are actually travelling more, to farther (ie. more expensive costs) destinations, so the exchange rate argument that "going to the U.S. costs them too much" is absolutely bogus and just a scapegoat.
Re: (Score:2)
I've been watching a lot of Canadian content creators talking politics...
Cool! One Canadian YouTube channel you might have missed is The Rational National. He addresses Canada / US politics, but he also covers Canadian internal politics in a way that you might not see elsewhere. He's very pro-Canada, but he also highlights our political failings, fuck-ups, and internal disagreements.
On the American side, you may want to check out Large Man Abroad. He spends a lot of time on how Trump is screwing up America's relationship with Canada, but he also covers the shocking incompetence,
Re: (Score:2)
Recently his YouTube channel was demonitized,
I keep hearing that from a lot of creators (and no, not just the ones that talk politics); that and/or their subscribers are unknowingly getting dropped from subscribed channels.
Sounds like YT is purposefully silencing people at the administration's behest, or committing outright fraud.
Re: (Score:2)
That'll show all those Californians who put Trump in power! A boycott on Californian products will of course anger Trump since he loves California so much /s
In case you're not paying attention, he's illegally withholding funding to California and other blue states because they didn't support him. But hey, California is part of America, so boycott away. Just remember there are many entire states of people on your side and opposed to this horrible bullshit.
Re: "Trade issue" my ass (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3)
Americans should remove Trump instead of coming with excuses
There are a couple of processes that are for removing a POTUS, all of them require Congress' cooperation. Both House and Senate are controlled by the GOP, and they will do nothing. Should the Democrats win the House in the midterms they may impeach him again, but for the Senate to convict requires 2/3 of Senators (67) to vote to remove him. That would either require some GOP Senators to vote to convict, or for the extremely unlikely event that the Democrats manage to have that 2/3rd majority (Dems would
Re: "Trade issue" my ass (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Why should we do that? We've cut immigration targets drastically; housing in Canada is crazy expensive.
Americans need to fix their country, not look at Canada as an escape hatch. And we especially don't need people who want citizenship, but are unwilling to meet the basic residency requirements.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Sorry, but we don't give citizenship to people who don't want to live here and pay taxes. Otherwise, they live wherever and then when they get sick, they come to Canada for free healthcare.
Americans are no more likely than anyone else to bring talent or wealth to Canada, so I think the same rules should apply to them as to any other immigrant.
FWIW, I am an immigrant to Canada, not from the USA, and my family didn't get any special treatment. However, I've lived the whole time since immigrating in Cana
Re: (Score:2)
Well, recently we've expanded the ancestry track to citizenship, have any Canadian ancestors? Perhaps an ancestor who was baptized in Nova Scotia in the 18th century like https://www.ctvnews.ca/lifesty... [ctvnews.ca]
Here's some tools, https://maplenews.org/six-onli... [maplenews.org]
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Well, good luck. Part of what made Canada Canada is American political refugees.
Re: (Score:2)
At this point, I don't ever want to enter the USA again. This is challenging due to issues
Re: (Score:2)
You need to start living in reality. There is absolutely zero chance that Canada will grant refugee status to an American citizen. Even trans people, who are amongst the worst persecuted by the Trump administration, have been refused, because there are still blue states that are relatively safe.
Wrong question being asked. (Score:2, Insightful)
How can we (blue state Americans) help you screw over the MAGAts?
A better question would be "How can we, all Americans, help [] screw over the MAGAts?"
Because, you see, it's not up to others around the world as you implied (by the "help you" part) to fix up the mess you Americans created for yourselves (and the rest of the world that didn't get a say in any of it), either through direct support of the Orange Mussolini, or through your own inactions to prevent it from attaining office.... again, and letting happen all the shit it's inflicted to your country and the world.
Re: (Score:2)
What did the German people do to get Hitler out of office?
Read the history books, and see if you can spot the pattern.
How can Americans help (Score:2)
Longer term - show up for your primaries both Republican and Democrat and choose more moderate and economically literate candidates. In a normal world no one would vote for the majority of your corrupt, incompetent and out right insane options but when faced with two terrible options most people end up vigorously defending their lizard.
Re:"Trade issue" my ass (Score:5, Informative)
Both places with healthcare that won't bankrupt you.
Content (Score:2, Insightful)
"The Americans have had, since after World War II, a very strong cultural policy of pushing out American content into the world,"
That's what every country does. Al-Jazeera doesn't push content about Brazil. The BBC doesn't push content about Lithuanians. French film companies don't produce movies about Korean ex-pats living in Japan, and Japanese film companies don't produce dramas about winemaking in Bordeaux.
People can watch whatever they like. The "Made in Canada" laws are ridiculous. The CBC wanted SCTV to produce "specifically Canadian" content when it switched to that network, so they cooked up Bob and Doug McKenzie. As if
Re:Content (Score:4, Interesting)
You know that Bob and Doug McKenzie were created to both satisfy and mock cancon requirements? They were having a joke at the CBC's expense [ign.com], but the show unexpectedly became a huge pop culture phenomenon in Canada.
Re: (Score:2)
That's what every country does. Al-Jazeera doesn't push content about Brazil.
Too bad, their ratings would be in the brazilians.
'Cause they're Brazilian? It's a prediction *and* a pun... (sigh) nobody gets me.
(Apologies to Rick Sanchez [youtube.com].)
Re: (Score:3)
The "Made in Canada" laws are ridiculous.
We Canadians live next door to a country whose population is about 8 times as large as ours. It's true that America and Canada mostly speak the same language, share the same British roots, and have significant cultural overlap.
But our Canadian outlook on the world is VERY different. CanCon rules allowed our music, TV, and film industries to grow to the point where they are self-sustaining and reflect OUR history and culture. Prior to those rules, our own culture and popular arts were facing extinction, beca
Whatever. (Score:5, Informative)
First it was fentanyl, and it's been downhill ever since. If you assume that everything this administration says is a lie, you will be almost always correct.
Like a lot of Canadians I made my decisions with my wallet rather than my voice. I've cancelled motorcycle trips through the US across two seasons. I cancelled a trip to Louisiana and went to Portugal instead. I avoid US produce when I've never looked at country of origin before.
And now there are new products released by companies I adore that I am foregoing simply because they are American. I'm looking at you, ThermoWorks. I will miss you.
Re: (Score:3)
Also. No more trips to or through the USA. I avoid USA products whenever I can. Canceled Amazon, Netflix, Ebay, Meta accounts. Don't use any Microsoft or Apple products. My last tie to US big tech is Google because of my Android phone, but when that one dies, I'm getting either an open Android phone that doesn't require a Google account or a Linux phone. Or even just a dumb phone that can only do SMS and calls, since I don't use my phone for all that much else.
Canadian MAGA exist (Score:2)
They already consume the worst of our content. Let Canada have this one, in practice it does not really alter much for either side.
Re: (Score:2)
You bet. There are a lot of Make America Great Again rednecks in Alberta (Danielle Smith is only pretending to support Carney in this trade debacle). They went to Washington to meet with Trump to tell him how great he is. Maybe if he gives them guns (more guns since they already are quite well armed) they can take Alberta for him.
Netflix wins (Score:2)
As for why the U.S. government is so invested ? (Score:4)
"As for why the U.S. government is so invested in the issue?"
Because they are a bunch of fucking morons, that's why. And that professor is spewing rationalizing baloney. I am tired of journalists inventing convoluted explanations for the grunting of a shit tossing bunch of apes. And between 30% and 40% of Americans still support that band of monkeys. This is a crisis for Canada, but it is a decline for the USA. Even if someone gunned down this stupid government, the 30 to 40 % of American retards would still be there and vote for other stupid shenanigans.
IMHO, midterms won't save us. Our proportion of morons has reached critical mass. And anyway this government and its emanations show no sign of being willing to surrender power. Elections or not.
And most countries have quotas of local content if you want to broadcast into their territory. That is a banality.
What IS "Canadian content" anyway? (Score:2)
Got a link to an internet archive of it. Grab it while you can. ok
What IS "Canadian content" anyway?
Seriously... what counts? Half of what we see on TV is ALREADY Canadian these days.
Is Star Trek "Canadian"? Strange New Worlds is filmed There and the Shatner himself is Canadian. What about The Expanse? It was also filmed in Canada. Those ancient aliens that build those Chapa'ais throughout multiple galaxies must have had a fondness for poutine, beaver pelts, or fantastic skiing. Because they seem to h
Re: (Score:2)
The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) determines whether something is Canadian content through a points system, based on the Canadians involved in the production. A work must have at least 6 out of 10 possible points to qualify as Canadian content. Details here. [crtc.gc.ca]
Music uses a different system called MAPL: Music, Artist, Performance, and Lyrics. If at least two are Canadian, then the music is considered Canadian content. Details here. [wikipedia.org]
Re: (Score:2)
What IS "Canadian content" anyway?
Ideally, similar to what you see in other countries - UK has similar content rules, but stricter because the show has to be recognizably *British*.
Canada's rules let you make a show, call it "Canadian content", while hiding any evidence it has anything to do with Canada. (Either by reskinning us to be American, or by making the show generically "North American" as not to offend delicate American sensibilities that they might have to watch *gasp* Canadians.) Or, sci-fi that still pretends to be American-esqu
true (Score:2)
Perhaps this "kiss my ass" language is the only one Trump can understand.
When asked by a CBC reporter to react to the post, Ford said he won't respond to "a dictator like President Trump."
"He's the type of guy in school that would take your lunch money one day, take your toque off your head the next day and then steal your running shoes," Ford said.
The guy is perfectly right.
America (Score:2)
Re:Project, much? (Score:5, Interesting)
If US streaming companies don't like the Canadian content rules, they are free not to do business here.
Pretty much every country in the world other than the USA has similar cultural protection rules, and the streamers manage to make their business work anyway.
Re: (Score:2)
As an American Netflix user, I fully support it. It helps that Netflix tends to buy out worldwide streaming rights on the shows they produce, so I just have access to content from more places.
Re: (Score:2)
I get how it could apply to randomized content like streaming radio, but the very concept seems incompatible with "choice".
Re:Project, much? (Score:4, Informative)
Re: Project, much? (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
These are just bad laws. Content should be able to survive based on people wanting to watch it.
Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt. -- then Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau (Justin's father) in 1969
Canada shares the longest undefended border in the world with the USA. Laws that protect the cultural identity of Canada are essential to its survival as a nation.
This just encourages Netflix to create slop that nobody wants to watch just to meet the quota.
Netflix already produces many good Canadian shows, or shows produced within Canada, that are not
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
If US streaming companies don't like the Canadian content rules, they are free not to do business here.
Ultimately resulting in less content being accessible to Canadian citizens. Granted, the US pulled a similar sort of fuckery with TikTok, so we're not exactly on the highest of horses when it comes to leading by example. An open global internet was a nice idea while it lasted.
Re: Project, much? (Score:2)
Re: Project, much? (Score:2)
I absolutely despise the Canadian content rules, particularly the implementation of them.
However, that's a Canadian issue and problem, the intent of implementing it isn't to impede foreign investment or business in Canada.
So, foreigners can fuck off about criticizing it; that's Canadas job.
Re: (Score:2)
This is all you really need to know about Cancon, courtesy of Bryan Adams:
"I might as well ask you the CRTC question first," said an unidentified journalist after Adams entered the conference room to a smattering of applause. "How did you feel when you found out you were un-Canadian, that the songs on your new album weren't allowed to be considered Canadian content?"
"I didn't think much of it," the rocker replied. "I never thought much about CanCon anyway. I always thought that it did nothing but breed medi
Re:Project, much? (Score:5, Informative)
This is *within Canada*, you dimwitted pillock. The Canadian government doesn't require Netflix to broadcast Canadian content or French-Canadian language *in the US*, but the US government is trying to get Canada to change the rules for *within Canada*.
Canada is not projecting soft power within Canada.
The softest thing round here is whatever you call the mush between your ears. Soft yet pompous. What an absolute bell-end.
Re: (Score:2)
The Canadian government doesn't require Netflix to broadcast Canadian content
That's not how the Internet works. Netflix doesn't "broadcast" anything. Users pull it, if they so desire. As long as Canadian content exists on Netflix, it's up to Canadians to search and request it.
What do they want? If the requisite amount of Canadian content isn't downloaded, do they want some sort of popup demanding that each user needs to pull down a couple of CBC programs before they can go back to the Real Housewives franchise?
Re:Project, much? (Score:5, Interesting)
Netflix doesn't "broadcast" anything. Users pull it, if they so desire.
Netflix makes content available, and they choose what is available, based on the geographic location of the person watching it. Doesn't sound much like a pull model to me. The ask of Cancon is simply to regulate that there's a particular balance of Canadian produced content. Suggesting Cancon is about regulating the balance of consumption belies the fundamental stupidity at the base of your argument.
Re: (Score:2)
Netflix knows your IP address and therefore your country (ignoring VPN's etc) and only delivers content that is licensed to be shown in a country. Lots of stuff we don't get due to licensing. You see it a lot on YouTube too where you click a link, maybe on Slashdot, to a video and a black screen comes up with writing saying something like the content creator hasn't made it available in your country.
As for the Canadian content, its in the catalogue and maybe high lighted. You don't have to watch it but the c
Re: (Score:2)
This is *within Canada*, you dimwitted pillock. The Canadian government doesn't require Netflix to broadcast Canadian content or French-Canadian language *in the US*, but the US government is trying to get Canada to change the rules for *within Canada*.
Canada is not projecting soft power within Canada.
The softest thing round here is whatever you call the mush between your ears. Soft yet pompous. What an absolute bell-end.
And this is just how much power the US has lost due to the Republicans. 25 years ago, just after Clinton the idea that you'd say no to the US was absolutely unthinkable for a nation like Canada, Australia, Mexico, et al. anyone who was an ally of the west. The US used to literally put laws on the books of foreign countries via trade treaties, even the EU wasn't powerful enough to give an outright "no". This is how US drug laws and US copyright laws became "international". I watched it happen to Australia in
Re: (Score:2)
you saw the majority of US media (incl Hollywood, to look at the bastion of American cultural power) saying /nice/ things about the US?
I'm going to ignore "majority" because that's immeasurable and dumb but Hollywood has long played nice with the US military, famously even. I mean what else is Top Gun: Maverick than pro American?
No what you are demanding is Hollywood say nice things *about your politics*. That's what you really want so go watch some more Daily Wire or Uwe Boll action movie slop and buy some Black Rifle coffee, there's plenty of conservative grifters out there ready to swallow up your dirty dollars.
Re: (Score:2)
And oh, when's the last time you saw the majority of US media (incl Hollywood, to look at the bastion of American cultural power) saying /nice/ things about the US?
Literally any time it would improve their bottom line? What are you, an idiot? Your entire post sure makes it sound that way.
Re: (Score:2)
Is it true that Ontarians hate the rest of Canada and especially Quebec?
Re: (Score:2)
and they ignore our laws in favour of their own
Well, we can at least tell you learned zero Canadian history.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: Don't push Canada content, and no to the frenc (Score:2)
Re:Don't push Canada content, and no to the french (Score:5, Insightful)
No. To your entire manifesto. Your path leads to us drowning in American propaganda, and right now we have an excellent example to the south of us showing the end game.
- An English Canadian
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Ed, Edd n Eddy don't approve of such views.
And where would Dexter be without his pan du fromage?
Re:Don't push Canada content, and no to the french (Score:5, Insightful)
that would be ~10 million Canadians
Guess how many people speak welsh in Wales, or Finnish in Finland? 10 million is a LOT of people. And lets be honest here, its still french. Sure its a dialect, but if you know Canadian french and put in a bit of effort, its not exactly hard to pick up Metropolitan french, belgian french, swiss french, etc, etc, etc.
French class is basically a 'a bit of exposure to even the idea of an another language (in this case french), a bit of canadian history (esp french canadian), oh... and its a bit of an art and drama class too'. For fucks sake its 30 minutes a few times a week in grade school.
Nobody is expecting you to learn conversant or fluent french from gradeschool french class.
If they dedicated the the time to arabic or hindi or mandarin, it would be just as ineffective at producing speakers of those languages. Meanwhile, french has some canadian significance in terms of heritage and culture, and its an official language... so what are you really on about here??
they're just a heavy metal band, and they're awesome, but you'll never hear them on mainstream radio over FM.
Heavy metal isn't mainstream. What part is confusing you?
The forced Canadian adoption nonsense isn't about premoting Canadian content
It is exactly that. Its abused by many actors, and imperfect, and there's plenty of canadian crap as a result. There's also quite a bit of good stuff, and plenty of it is even made by white men (a tragically marginalized group, according to you apparently.)
we don't need forced adoption, either your content is or is not worth consuming.
Being worth consuming doesn't mean you'll hear about it. Wasn't that your very own argument about 3 inches of blood??
Lots of canadian content worth consuming wouldn't gain traction without the promotion. Your right, a lot of it isn't worth much, but frankly, a lot of is. So lets hear about it. What's the real problem here? You can't find enough quality american content to consume because canadian content is crowding it out of the marketplace? For realsies?
Meanwhile, take a look at all that top tier quality we're missing out on thanks to all that canadian content rules. American TV is full of promotion for low rent garbage reality TV, cake baking contests, hoarders, absurdist dating contests, and so on. American netflix is full of cheap comedy specials and low budget subtitled filler from their foreign studios, American spotify is full of AI slop music.
So yeah... if some of that is getting pushed below the surface some canadian crap is getting promoted instead. So be it.
Re: (Score:2)
Too bad about the music because I went through one of my playlists and there's so many good Canadian artists, even just in my playlist theres like a dozen: Death from Above 1979, Peaches, Metric, Broken Social Scene, Destroyer, Wolf Parade, Leonard Cohen, Angine De Poitrine, Neil Young plus all the other famous ones like Alanis and Celine and who could forget "Now, now, the Canadian government has apologized for Bryan Adams on several occasions."
Re: (Score:2)
I live in Quebec, Canada and I happen to agree with you 100%. I am tired of subpar "Canadian content" being shoved down our throats. If I want it, I'll pay for it.
Re: (Score:2)
I was raised in Ontario, Canada. I now live in the USA.
I too was required to learn French, starting in grade 7. I wish I had started earlier. And we began with Parisian French, not Canadian French, the latter showing up in later years. Since those days, French immersion schools have appeared, offering instruction predominantly but not exclusively in French. I think my French fluency would have been much better if I had attended such a school. I have many younger family-members who attended these schools. It
Re:Don't push Canada content, and no to the french (Score:5, Insightful)
I live in Ontario, Canada. You're an idiot, and don't speak for me. There are idiots everywhere on the planet. You're one. See you at the polls.
~22% (I'll round it to 25%) of Canadians speak French as a first language, and using rough numbers that would be ~10 million Canadians, which equates to 1/8th of 1% of the world population. If forcing kids to learn a language that ~0% of the world uses seems rational, you've lost the point of education.
I'm unlikely to read anything dumber than this today. French is a single class, its easy. You remind me of when I was in grade 7 and two morons in my class took up the cause to protest that we had to learn the subway stations even tho, in their words, 'they would never use it'. So that's fun, you make the same fundamentally stupid mistake that some grade 7 kids were making about the value of learning things - the point isn't to teach things that you need, the point is to teach you thinks so that you learn how to learn. That French *can* help you if you're not some kind of moron allergic/scared of the greater world is part of the point.
3 Inches of Blood
ROFL. Youre whining about CanCon then complaining about a Canadian band that isn't being played on the radio? The stupidity astounds me. I dunno what small town you're from, but it's doing you no favours.
Re: (Score:2)
Thanks for your interesting post. Never been to Ottawa but introduced the Books of Wonder bookstore in NYC to Charles de Lint (great Ottawa author) and was surprised they didn't know him. They are a fabulous bookstore for kids and teens mainly. I have enjoyed Montreal but once I led a group of 20 teens to France for a 1 month study abroad. I was 20, the leader was an American who only spoke Canadian French. Everyone ignored her French and only listened to me, and mine was passable nothing incredible. So if
Re: Don't push Canada content, and no to the frenc (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3)
the fucking country speaks English
I hear French all the time on the streets of Toronto, parents at school, in public transit. I am from Toronto. Despite being from an Anglophone family with two parents who don't speak a lick French, all of my school was in French until I was in grade 6, and then half of it was in French until I was in grade 9. I understand French fluently (although I don't really need to speak it) and I know many other Anglophones who are fluent in it here in Toronto.
You're a moron. Don't t
Re: (Score:3)
It's called "I get all my information from X: the everything app" where this type of outrage porn is injected into people's veins nonstop.
Re: (Score:2)
Exhibit A
Re:Canada is stupid (Score:4, Informative)
Canada has multiple streaming services. Crave and CBC Gem come to mind; I know there are others. Crave has about 5 million subscribers. CBC Gem is mostly free, but is estimated to have about 5 million free and 450,000 paid subscribers.
Netflix has about 9,750,000 Canadian subscribers, so it's twice as big as Crave. But being half the size of Netflix is still pretty substantial.
Re: (Score:2)
Source: I'm Canadian born now living in the USA.
I'm going to need a more reliable, more credible and less biased source than: "Man who hated home country so much he emigrated and doesn't even have first hand experience anymore."