Operation Bluebird Launches New Twitter (arstechnica.com) 93
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Operation Bluebird, the Virginia-based startup trying to revive the allegedly abandoned "Twitter" name and logo, announced Monday that it has launched its new social media network: Twitter.now. "We are a small company, we have investors, and we have a product," Stephen Coates, one of Operation Bluebird's cofounders, told Ars. "And we have waited months and months to launch, and we are not going to wait anymore."
[...] Twitter.now, still in its nascent stage, only has hundreds of users for the time being. The social media network looks and feels much like the Twitter of old and many of its offshoots -- it has replies and retweets. A new and notable feature is the automated fact-checking tool, a Gemini-based "veracity engine for real-time analysis" ("Vera" for short), which runs on every tweet. Coates has been testing Vera in recent days by posting obviously false messages, like "George Washington was our second president."
"Our first goal is to see if we can truly bring back a town square that's safer and less harmful," he said. "We say freedom of speech and not freedom of reach. We want people to say what they want, but we also want to create a platform that's not financially locked into that viral content that's harmful or inaccurate." Operation Bluebird argues that Elon Musk effectively abandoned the Twitter brand and trademarks when he renamed the company X, opening the door for the startup to claim them. X Corp. sued to stop the effort, but a federal judge tentatively ruled in April that X appeared to have relinquished rights to "tweet," the bird logo, and possibly "Twitter" itself, though no written ruling has been issued.
Bluebird has taken that as enough of a green light to move forward while emphasizing that its new Twitter is not affiliated with X. "Operation Bluebird, Inc. picked up the name X Corp. walked away from and is rebuilding it on trust, in your browser at twitter.now," it states prominently on its website. "We are not X, and we are not affiliated with X Corp."
[...] Twitter.now, still in its nascent stage, only has hundreds of users for the time being. The social media network looks and feels much like the Twitter of old and many of its offshoots -- it has replies and retweets. A new and notable feature is the automated fact-checking tool, a Gemini-based "veracity engine for real-time analysis" ("Vera" for short), which runs on every tweet. Coates has been testing Vera in recent days by posting obviously false messages, like "George Washington was our second president."
"Our first goal is to see if we can truly bring back a town square that's safer and less harmful," he said. "We say freedom of speech and not freedom of reach. We want people to say what they want, but we also want to create a platform that's not financially locked into that viral content that's harmful or inaccurate." Operation Bluebird argues that Elon Musk effectively abandoned the Twitter brand and trademarks when he renamed the company X, opening the door for the startup to claim them. X Corp. sued to stop the effort, but a federal judge tentatively ruled in April that X appeared to have relinquished rights to "tweet," the bird logo, and possibly "Twitter" itself, though no written ruling has been issued.
Bluebird has taken that as enough of a green light to move forward while emphasizing that its new Twitter is not affiliated with X. "Operation Bluebird, Inc. picked up the name X Corp. walked away from and is rebuilding it on trust, in your browser at twitter.now," it states prominently on its website. "We are not X, and we are not affiliated with X Corp."
Not confusing at all (Score:2)
The brightest of ideas right here.
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It looks more to me like a marketing stunt. If they were to operate as Twitter, it would muddy the waters for their cleaner brand image.
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$20 registration for their legal bills once Musk *does* decide to sue their domain squatting.
It isn't domain squatting because he abandoned the trademark. He could have kept it around and done ANYTHING with it and kept it, but he didn't do that. Changing the branding was a primary concern, so there's no leg to stand on that it wasn't done intentionally. Sure he will sue, and he will lose.
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Not at all offtopic! That is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. He could have made it branding for a "research group" or any other trivial, irrelevant thing, and kept control of the trademark. And if he were half as smart as his followers think, he would have.
Re: Not confusing at all (Score:2)
Musk and X did everything they needed to in order to maintain some control over the "Twitter" mark, and plenty of just plain third party marks in existence, for that matter: having more money to throw at legal fees and more willingness to do so than their opponents.
Reminds me (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Reminds me (Score:5, Interesting)
of these Chinese companies resurrecting boomer/grandma brands like Zenith and Philco for some type of appeal to nostalgia.
Have you seen the keyboard smash business names on Amazon they come up with otherwise? Yeah, I totally feel confident buying an e-scooter charger from Zxnmfgy.
Re: Reminds me (Score:2)
The company making that charger has a real name, usually IME beginning with "Shenzen" since they all seem to be there. Then the same product has twenty different Scrabble tile names attached to it and it's sold under all of them. I'm not sure if this is mostly done by one company using a bunch of names, or separate companies, but they all use the same font for branding (Impact) so they all LOOK the same. But SOME listings will give you the manufacturer's info as well as the brand.
Re: Reminds me (Score:2)
That way, when the product burns down someone's home, the seller can just punch their keyboard again and continue doing business under the new name.
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That's only one of many benefits. I've thought about this a lot because I've bought related stuff under a bunch of these different names. I've wondered if they are auto-generated randomly, or perhaps are something more bizarre such as being transposed in sequence order from Chinese characters.
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of these Chinese companies resurrecting boomer/grandma brands like Zenith and Philco for some type of appeal to nostalgia.
Have you seen the keyboard smash business names on Amazon they come up with otherwise? Yeah, I totally feel confident buying an e-scooter charger from Zxnmfgy.
Putting Zenith lipstick on the Zzzzle-pig, does nothing for consumer confidence.
Re: Reminds me (Score:2)
Fact checking by LLM (Score:2)
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hallucination is the least of the problems, the material those llm are trained with is: in anything remotely political you won't get fact checking, you get mass media echo chamber summaries. a 5% of hallucination would actually be a refreshing bonus.
fact check on your own. ironically, you can use llms to make it easier, but never omit fact checking the fact cheking.
Re: Fact checking by LLM (Score:2)
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X did this. Then Grok started contradicting the "facts" as Musk preferred them, so it rather famously went through a few stages of tweaking that resulted in a few, shall we say, unfortunate incidents. These days, Grok is locked behind the blue checkmark paywall.
I'd imagine a startup trying to do AI fact checking at scale is going to quickly discover that it costs a pretty penny to keep the token monster fed.
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Invoking Grok through X is now a paid feature. [x.com]
Begging for litigation (Score:3)
Re:Begging for litigation (Score:4, Informative)
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Re: Begging for litigation (Score:4, Funny)
Re: Begging for litigation (Score:2)
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looks like a take the money and run operation to me.
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This is what I assumed as well. It checks all the buzzwords. Probably just hoping to get bought out for a payday.
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... the network effect is what keeps X, Facebook, etc. going, and the world does not need another social network.
And the abuse-your-members effect is what has kept me off of "X, Facebook, etc". I wonder how many other folks there are who feel the same way, who might sign up for a re-invented Twitter that promises to behave better.
I've always loved the social network concept, but have never been on any social network other than Slashdot and the ancient Classmates site. I saw from Facebook's early days where all of it was heading and just said "no". But if the new Twitter changes the business model sufficiently, then I
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Social networking exists to:
- make money by exploiting human behavior
- manipulate human behavior to make that exploitation more profitable
Ban blood/gore, gambling, full nudity, swear words and the whole thing can be deemed not porn, not age restricted by the regulators.
Long term modification of the behavior of a species can't be harmful, right? When has that ever been a problem?
As long as kids don't hear bad words and start repeating them, everything's fine.
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Something you are failing to mention... (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Something you are failing to mention... (Score:5, Insightful)
What is a "fighter" in this context?
A mark.
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This is as insightful as it was funny. +1 Funny from me.
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What is a "fighter" in this context?
$38.71 more expensive than the Christina Aguilera song of the same name on iTunes.
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i'm planning to resurrect geocities. would you like to become a Resurrecter for only $15? a Warlock for only $35?
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Ooh. I've always wanted to be a Geocities warlock. Or is that Geocities Warlock(tm)?
But seriously, loving the irony of Elon's petulant rebranding coming back to bite him in the a**.
The fact that twitter.com still exists as a redirect actually strengthens and weakens their claim to abandonment. A mere URL with no content does not generally qualify as use in commerce. And the existence of that redirect without Twitter branding on the resulting site makes it clear that abandonment is willful, because it i
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They were all created by folks who were jealous of X's reach.
You misspelled "Reich".
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Nah, the only microblogging site I have an account on actually still is X. I don't go on it much anymore ever since Musk put his AI slop generator behind a paywall. For a brief time though, it was fucking glorious wasting Musk's money to create slop. [twitter.com]
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This is the guy going into empty discussion groups on Mastodon and Bluesky
Bluesky doesn't have discussion groups. It just has posts and replies.
It also has a lot of ongoing discussion. I just got shared in a distribution list and picked up about 100 more followers, whee. (I am up to 1600, NBD.) The same kind of pedo-opposing content that literally got me kicked off of Feceboot (they wouldn't tell me why they removed me, so I assume it was because I opposed child rape publicly) is making me minorly popular on Bsky.
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Zuck's got my real name so I don't interact with the internet peanut gallery on there. It's entirely for seeing what my friends and family are up to (interspersed between all the algorithmic crap FB tries to shove down your throat these days), and every once in awhile I'll share some Florida Man shit that I'd witnessed because, well, Florida. I don't get political on there anymore because at least in my circle, we're all just kind of sick of hearing it and nobody is changing anyone else's mind.
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I don't get political on there anymore because at least in my circle, we're all just kind of sick of hearing it and nobody is changing anyone else's mind.
If you could get my niece and my mom to understand this, it would go a long way. They both think the other is crazy and neither has the ability to see their own actions. It's funny for a minute. I just don't talk politics with either and everything is better.
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Bluesky doesn't have discussion groups. It just has posts and replies.
Why am I not surprised you're on Bluesky and know it's nuances? Yeah, okay, well... when they get to 1000 users maybe they will implement that feature. :-)
Re:Why in the actual fuck would anyone do it? (Score:5, Insightful)
Considering Elon WORKED for the government to spread propaganda, continues to censor certain posts and words, blocked publication of information about J.D. Vance prior to the election, and continues to let lies about the 2020 election proliferate, no, I don't remember.
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Re:Why in the actual fuck would anyone do it? (Score:5, Insightful)
That's the real source of angst around/about Elon and X.
Not even close.
Elon is actively reposting white nationalist horseshit. That's a pretty big source of angst.
The "For You" tab is a firehose of propaganda shitposts that you probably never asked for, targeted to piss you off and keep you hate-posting. That's a pretty big source of angst.
They still "label" accounts that say things they don't like to shadowban, with no recourse or even any human review / audit / appeal. That causes angst, and it's also the censorship you are screaming about.
X is run by the biggest shitposting troll on the planet, and it shows.
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Elon is actively reposting white nationalist horseshit.
From what I can tell: that's true. However, what you call "white" I call "anti-racist". What you call "nationalism" I'd probably call "western culture". He seems concerned that the West is being overrun with culturally incompatible people and ideas. Anytime he or anyone else stands up for white folks or the West, there is always some hysterical useful idiot yelling "racism!" at the clouds. It appearently wasn't racism when applied to black or brown folks (then it's "equity") but if someone says a single nic
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"Fighter" right? Sounds like a place to socialize and totally not a platform where rage baiting, partisanship and anger thrive.
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It's mandatory if you want to use the service today. Otherwise you are "waitlisted" to use it for free.
Seems scammy, but I get that they want early adopters to help offset operational cost.
The old Twitter is gone forever (Score:2, Insightful)
Ever since Musk bought Twitter, microblogging has been fractured into separate right-wing and left-wing platforms. I don't really see that situation changing anytime soon.
Re:The old Twitter is gone forever (Score:5, Insightful)
Reality has a center-left bias. If your social media platform doesn't fall within that realm, you've probably done something to drive off a portion of your liberal users. Musk has. It's well known that left-leaning users get feeds full of rage bait to drive up engagement. The scheme works on some people, but others just get fed up and leave.
I also don't really buy that the old Twitter was anti-conservative as some people claimed. They just enforced their TOS more strictly in those days. On the far ends of the political spectrum you've got literal Nazis on the extreme right, and on the extreme left liberals suggesting things like giving everyone UBI and free healthcare. Care to take a guess which side is more likely to be expressing their viewpoint in a way that violates the TOS?
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Point still stands though, is expressing a preference for communism likely to be done in a way that violates a platform's TOS? Usually when people on the far left are discussing communism, they tend to focus on the economic aspects and not specifically advocating for the human rights violations that are often found in real-world communist regimes. They usually have enough sense to avoid saying the "Let's run protestors over with tanks!" part out loud.
On the extreme end of the right-wing spectrum though, y
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All 7 of them.
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and 6 of those 7 are probably bots.
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"...They are now advocating outright Communism, praising Chairman Mao, etc. I am not a far right person..."
Then you must be a fool. Who is "advocating outright Communism" and "praising Chairman Mao"? Citations please.
The whole idea of "extreme left" and "far right" is a joke, it's just identity politics and it's championed by criminals.
"If you haven't been paying attention to the DSA and their members lately, you might think I am exaggerating. I am not."
No, you're just a moron. There is an enormous diffe
Re:The old Twitter is gone forever (Score:5, Insightful)
Spare me the "red scare" bullshit.
Show one serious person who has an actual avenue to do any of this bullshit and I'll believe you. No, talking about some dipshit streamer on Twitch isn't getting there. Show an elected politician in the US, or one that is currently running as a major party candidate that advocates "outright Communism" or praises Chairman Mao.
Prove your bullshit claim.
This is the same scare tactics bullshit as the "sharia law" dogwhistle. The only elected in office right now that is increasing the creep of socialism and communism is President Trump with his government price controls on hundreds of thousands of tons of imported mystery meat that he won't tell us where it's actually coming from ("most transparent administration in history"), heavy-handed central economic planning through tariffs and trying to fire FED governors that don't do what he wants, and seizing the means of production through the Treasury buying equity stakes in private business.
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Several studies showed that right wing speech was amplified and left wing speech was muted on old twitter, so any time you see someone claiming that the opposite was true you know you're seeing some bullshit from an ignorant chucklefuck.
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On the far ends of the political spectrum you've got literal Nazis on the extreme right, and on the extreme left liberals suggesting things like giving everyone UBI and free healthcare. Care to take a guess which side is more likely to be expressing their viewpoint in a way that violates the TOS?
Literal Nazis? Anybody got the literal locations of the ovens burning at the moment, or are they only composting TDS right now?
Speaking of far ends, is it only the "left liberals" who refuse to label themselves the extreme left Communists they have become while attempting to Godwin-blame their moniker away, or is it buried in the Nuevo Socialist TOS somewhere that you must use 'friendly' terms when Komparing?
(If we're going to compare extremes, let's at least do it accurately.)
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There was a Nazi march through Altamonte Springs, FL 3 years ago. [x.com] I was actually driving near that area when it happened and saw it for myself. It's a safe assumption at least some of them are on X. So yeah, literal Nazis. Care to take a guess how many times I've seen Communists take to the streets for a demonstration?
I know far-leftists exist. Reddit has at least several communism subs. They mostly keep to their echo chamber and rarely bother anyone. I'm not saying their ideology is preferable, just
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Tell me. Did any of them shoot commercial grade fireworks at law enforcement? Throw any bricks, then? Frozen water bottles? Did they try to burn down any courthouses? Did they send any people that disagreed with them to the morgue? Did they set up any roadblocks and forbid emergency vehicles from passing just to make their political point?
No, you say? I'm shocked. Spare me the bullshit that right wing Na
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> Reality has a center-left bias.
Western Society probably does.
> If your social media platform doesn't fall within that realm, you've probably done something to drive off a portion of your liberal users. Musk has.
Or a) more liberal users are less likely to participate in debate with those having more right-leaning debate and AND Musk hasn't really done anything to support either side, and doesn't really care which holds a predominant voice on the platform.
> It's well known that left-leaning us
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X-itter is specifically boosting certain types of content, which means it's more of a robber baron rather than a wild west.
Not to mention that it's currently run by a billionaire known for stealing people's ideas, who debuted a totally new salute that nobody has seen before.
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It is not impossible to do microblogging without political crap. But it will take a new, innovative idea.
Personally I think the single algorithm designed for 'engagement' should have variations.
You should be allowed to pick {ragebait/politics} as an option, but also be allowed to select other algorithms, possibly included:
Child
Happy
Business
Moderate
With each option resulting in a different algorithm that enhances/reduces certain types of content.
Let the people decide what they should be spoon fed.
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Or just show a feed full of only the people you follow. This algorithmic feed stuff is always going to be inherently toxic. Problem is, when you're starting a new social media site from zero, everybody worth following is still on another platform.
Regurgitation Station, Imagination.. (Score:2)
"We are a small company, we have investors, and we have a product,"
You have some suckers and a tank of a brand name that doesn't exactly roll through society with a clean CarFacts report.
A new and notable feature is the automated fact-checking tool..which runs on every tweet. Coates has been testing Vera in recent days by posting obviously false messages, like "George Washington was our second president."
Obviously false message testing, eh?
OK. I'll try and be subtly accurate with the new social Rorschach test when I rephrase the usual question into "What does the W in WNBA stand for?"
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"What does the W in WNBA stand for?"
Wabbit. [fandom.com]
It'll Fail (Score:4, Insightful)
We're committed to protecting free expression while keeping the platform safe. We prohibit illegal content, child exploitation, threats of violence, harassment, scams, and other harmful conduct. Our policies and features will continue to evolve as the platform grows.
How long before whatever political ideology becomes mainstream on the site will it be before the "undesirables" are accused of "harassment" or "other harmful conduct" because a user does something as simple as taking offense to another person's post?
Most of social media is just people arguing about whose opinion is better. It's all crap, because it's online, anonymous shit-talking. When we speak to other people face-to-face, a large majority don't revert to name-calling and acting like an ass. They realize there's repercussions from real-life actions. Expecting there to be any real discourse where anonymous identities protect everyone is just delusional. This will fail as much as basically all social media has failed.
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When we speak to other people face-to-face, a large majority don't revert to name-calling and acting like an ass.
The "large majority" is definitely getting smaller due to social media behaviors bleeding through into real life. I've definitely experienced an uptick in people giving their unsolicited $0.02 while out in public.
Real life needs a disable comments option.
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I agree. All these goofy protests sure are annoying! We should just disable them.
Or, you have to accept we live in a society that we are allowed to stay stupid shit and your only real option is to walk away or argue. I personally just walk away because even if someone is saying something I vehemently disagree with, it's still their right to say it. Plus, anyone that loud and annoying in public is likely beyond persuasion anyway. All they are really doing is showing us who they really are.
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I wasn't referring to protests. I meant when strangers feel the need to express their unsolicited opinion about, well, whatever happens to be going through their mind at the time. Like my partner and I will be talking about some mundane thing out at the theme parks and a random person will jump in with their own take as if they'd forgotten they're not in the YouTube comments section.
If someone wants to stand on the street corner and scream their head off at the Flock camera, though? Hey, more power to th
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I don't think the point of this is to replace anything. It sounds like it's mostly just a bunch of bullshit to attempt to get bought out by a real social media site. You'll noticed they checked all the buzzword boxes to get attention. They are just hoping for a payday with this joke of a website.
Hard sell (Score:2)
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Blame the JEWS!!! /nazi
Yes, if you equate all Jews with Zionists, you're either a Nazi or something else equally stupid and shit.
Oh boy (Score:2)
Just what the World needs. . . . .
. . . . another Social Media Echo Chamber :|
Being the new 'kid' (Score:3)
Twitter Now has to fight for brand, even when it is technically abandoned: They are asking for donations with no guarantee of success. It has to find advertisers when Google and Facebook can offer more eyeballs and better prices. It has to develop a position on what political rhetoric or sexual expression is allowed and what will cause account suspension. It must run at a loss until it reaches a "critical mass" that attracts like-minded micro-bloggers and advertising dollars.
In a winner-take-all market, the competitors also have an interest in sabotaging the new 'kid' as it grows and develops a market position. That may be the biggest obstacle for Twitter Now.
Yay! Another twitter knockoff (Score:2)
Just what the world needs.
BlueSky already exists (Score:2)
If you are looking for a practical Twitter replacement, there is already BlueSky. It seems used and functional enough for that purpose, and is at least what I have seem refreshingly free from trolls.
It's supposed to be open standards and distributed, even if it isn't distributed in practice. In that regards, Mastodon etc is a better choice.
What for? (Score:2)