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Canada Hires 48 Scholars Away From Top US Universities (nytimes.com) 195

Canada is recruiting 64 researchers to universities across the country (source paywalled; alternative source), including 48 from U.S. institutions such as Harvard, Yale, and MIT. The hires are backed by more than $364 million in government funding and are part of a broader effort to attract researchers in fields such as AI, climate science, and medicine. The New York Times reports: While scientists often shy away from political discourse, some are saying the Trump administration's assault on science is behind their departure. "I used to live in the country that I thought was the most enthusiastic about the prospects for science improving the human condition, of any country in the world," said Phillip Zamore, the chair of RNA Therapeutics Institute at the University of Massachusetts. "And I woke up one day and that wasn't true anymore." He has been recruited to McGill University in Montreal, which has also hired five other researchers, and will join the medical faculty. "If scientists don't stand up for truth, no one will," Dr. Zamore said.

The Canada-bound brain drain from U.S. institutions began last year as the Trump administration put forward policies that targeted foreign students, academic freedom and funding for equity-related programs. Kevin Hall, a nutrition scientist who left the U.S. National Institutes of Health last year, accusing federal officials of censoring his research on ultraprocessed foods, has been hired at the University of Ottawa. "While certain countries are cutting research and turning their back on academic freedom, we're doubling down on science," Melanie Joly, Canada's industry minister, told reporters at the announcement, in Vancouver, of the new university hiring. She billed it as the world's "largest talent attraction" project. The European Union has made a similar push. "Years from now, we will look back at today's announcement, and we will be able to seize the lasting impact of our choices," Ms. Joly said.

Unpredictable decisions about funding prompted Seth Guikema, a professor in civil and environmental engineering, who has specialized in natural hazards modeling at the University of Michigan, to look elsewhere. His work focuses on how climate hazards inequitably affect communities, and that work has become harder to fund, he said. "Every country sets its priorities in terms of what is going to get funded, and I think Canada has done a very good job of supporting research in areas that really matter to society," said Dr. Guikema, who will start at Western University in London, Ontario in January.

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  • by Arrogant-Bastard ( 141720 ) on Friday August 28, 2026 @03:40AM (#66310760)
    This has ripple effects, because some of their students will go with them -- and when they do, that means some of the next generation -- the people will reach mid-career between 2050 and 2060 -- will be gone. Canada is of course not the only country doing this; the entire EU, the UK, Australia, NZ, Japan, and others are doing the same thing because they see a golden opportunity right in front of them.

    The consequences go far beyond academia: basic scientific research is THE engine behind engineering, medicine, and industry. The US has enjoyed amazing economic success since WW II because it recognized that there's no better investment not just in terms of monetary ROI, but societal ROI. And now it's being systematically destroyed by one psychotic senile moron who couldn't even name the planets or tell you the difference between a bacteria and a virus.

    This is both maddening and depressing. The US spent 75 years becoming one of the best, if not the best, scientific countries in the world and now, in just a few short years, it's rapidly undoing much of that.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by SpzToid ( 869795 )

      The US spent 75 years becoming one of the best, if not the best, scientific countries in the world and now, in just a few short years, it's rapidly undoing much of that.

      The Trump administration has been an anathema to science for reasons which I fail to comprehend. Can someone explain why this is? Is this just something fascist autocrats do?

      • by Alain Williams ( 2972 ) <addw@phcomp.co.uk> on Friday August 28, 2026 @04:14AM (#66310794) Homepage

        Because scientists follow the evidence to draw conclusions, they sometimes say things that contradict the ideology. Climate change is a good example of this.

      • by NotEmmanuelGoldstein ( 6423622 ) on Friday August 28, 2026 @04:20AM (#66310798)
        Autocrats dislike disobedience and change, being stereotypical luddites. Science is about changing our understanding of the truth. Thus, autocrats dislike research, which enables that change. More important, autocrats have favourite industries, corporations and leaders. Anything that threatens that favouritism, such as climate change, or automation is the enemy of autocrats. It is paradoxical that the USA is eliminating green technology while approving AI technology. The paradox is evidence that the White House now houses a prostitute.
        • by serviscope_minor ( 664417 ) on Friday August 28, 2026 @04:38AM (#66310824) Journal

          Thus, autocrats dislike research, which enables that change.

          Yes: you can't control research: you can murder Lysenko's opponent but you can't make him right and in a fight between ideology and reality, reality wind eventually. Autocracy is all about control, and research is the anathema to that. It may often tell you thing that are directly contradictory to deeply held beliefs.

          I mean just look at how the "biological sex" crowd respond to things like XY-CAIS, XY/XX mosaic chimerism, 46XX DSD, Swyer syndrome, and so on.
             

        • The stereotypical luddite wants all people to benefit from advances in technology.

          Before you use a word, look it up.

      • by sg_oneill ( 159032 ) on Friday August 28, 2026 @04:38AM (#66310822)

        There has been a long running pattern where the think tanks that supply policy to the GOP have seen various sciences as threats to their economic beliefs.

        Climate change is a big one. Physics doesn't *care* if the economy is more efficient if we ignore externalities. Cancer doesn't *care* if killing it with chemotherapy might require spending some tax dollars. Covid never cared if social distancing meant that some hours ought be spent away from the office.

        Then you've got the religion issue. Christianity, Judaism, Islam etc as a whole has been reasonably effective in the past 100 years of surviving challenges from science by simply acknowledging the science. The catholic church and most "adult" denominations consider evolution just how god did it (Pope John Paul famously advised Steven Hawkings to not enquire before the big bang, because THAT was gods private time lol.) And that whole 6000 years ago thing? Metaphorical or something. But thats not the flavor of christianity thats noisiest in the world of GOP thinktanks. THOSE people see science as a direct threat to their religion because fundamentalism thinks christianity is at threat from science saying "Hey the world is not a 6000 year old flat plane where jesus rode a dinosaur around the place".

        Which is a real problem for our children who have to put up with this shit if it starts turning up in their text books.

        • by evanh ( 627108 ) on Friday August 28, 2026 @11:18AM (#66311308)

          I think it's the other way round. The fundamentalist branding explicitly engineered their religious teachings to become anti-science. Not because science went against any religion but just to take control. You'll note they also despise the law, education and fairness. Hypocrisy is the name of the game.

          And the reason for that is the Israel Lobby. Truth and equality both hurt their cause of annihilation of Palestine. But also bonus control of the biggest military and the geopolitical leverage that begets. ie: Immunity for war crimes. The so-called Military Industrial Complex is really a euphemism.

      • by evanh ( 627108 )

        Misery is easy.

      • The Trump administration has been an anathema to science for reasons which I fail to comprehend. Can someone explain why this is? Is this just something fascist autocrats do?

        I believe if you boil it down, binary thinking explains a lot. Something is true or false. Good or bad in their mind. So, science? Good or bad? Well, it is complicated and that is a wrong answer. It can only be good or bad! So, too much annoyances because of science? Cholesterol is bad, I need a diet. Oh... news article says that high Cholesterol is not necessarily bad(it is complicated) Who does this dokter think he is, putting me on a diet when he knows shit! A bit more of these things and the bit flips. Science = bad. Their thinking becomes limited to simple truths. Science bad, American values good, immigrants bad, ... It is the only thing that holds if you think binary.

      • They hate what they ain't, and Trumpers ain't intellectual. Or compassionate; or empathetic; or considerate; or any other of many decent qualities that they lump into "woke." But when they see something that reminds them of their inadequacies, they tear it down, like the mental toddlers they are.
      • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

        "As people do better, they start voting like Republicans—unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing" - Republican strategist Karl Rove

        "It is a well known fact that reality has liberal bias." - Stephen Colbert

        "The secret of freedom lies in educating people, whereas the secret of tyranny is in keeping them ignorant" - Maximilien de Robespierre

        Is this just something fascist autocrats do?

        Not just the fascist ones.

        https://www.harvardmagazine. [harvardmagazine.com]

      • Is this just something fascist autocrats do?

        Fascism doesn't necessarily try to burn down science; Hitler did eject (and murder) a lot of Jewish scientists for being Jewish, but his regime was generally quite pro-science otherwise. Other autocratic regimes were also quite pro-science, once established. The USSR poured a lot of money into science. Not as much as the US but that was mostly because the USSR didn't have as much money to pour.

        The regimes that reject science are populists and autocrats who are just establishing their power. Populism i

      • by tchdab1 ( 164848 )

        When your overriding primary goal is snatching money and power, and science is providing reasons why that's not a good idea (stop burning so much fossil fuels which make hundreds of billions of $, stop giving healthcare or wage relief to people which expensively subtracts from the loot you can snatch, ...) then snuffing science becomes a secondary mandate. - damn, ended up under the wrong post.

      • Because stupid people donâ(TM)t like smart people, theyâ(TM)re a threat
    • Hey at least America is getting what they voted for!!
    • by serviscope_minor ( 664417 ) on Friday August 28, 2026 @04:26AM (#66310810) Journal

      And now it's being systematically destroyed by one psychotic senile moron

      Afraid to say it's not. Not not being destroyed. Not by one psychopathic senile moron. I mean he is, certainly, but he still has an approval rating of 34%. That's about 70 million complete morons or so. You have about 34%of the population cheering him on.

    • Then again, there is the little-remembered bit of Eisenhower's farewell address.
      https://www.archives.gov/miles... [archives.gov]

      Immediately after his (much repeated) warning about the dangers of the military-industrial complex, he them went on:

      Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

      In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing shar

      • After the past 10 years, please please PLEASE put the "scientific-technological elite" back in charge.

        If this admin is the alternative you are making the case for technocratic, ivory tower folks to run the nation because the alternative is corrupt incompetent kakistocracy.

        You lot could have elected Nikki Haley and had maybe at least one leg to stand on but you chose blind revanchism and ignorance-as-a-virtue.

        • I tried! Maybe if more of you understood you can switch fucking parties for the primaries, more Democrats would of jumped over to Republican and voted for Nikki. I flip back and forth between D and R because sometimes you have to vote against someone before they reach the nationals. So yes, I became a Republican to vote against Trump.

          I'm imaging they didn't because they were afraid Nikki might win, but no way Trump could win again.

          Yeah, how did that work out again?

    • In 2026 the only effect this has on me is where the patents are held.

      Problem is we have fundamentally broken the economy for people that work for a living. When you completely break that social order then it doesn't matter and nothing matters.

      When literally all of the benefits of the future go straight to the top and stay there and it never trickles down then it just doesn't matter if the work is done in Canada or if the work is done in america. I suppose it sucks when the work hasn't done at all bu
    • by pz ( 113803 )

      The US has enjoyed amazing economic success since WW II because it recognized that there's no better investment not just in terms of monetary ROI, but societal ROI.

      And the ROI is really, really impressive. Each dollar in the NIH budget gets returned as about 5 (depending on the study) in increased GDP. To my knowledge, there is no other billion-dollar scale investment that has consistent, long-term returns like that.

      Congress knows this fact. They commissioned many of the studies showing it. It is difficult to believe the Executive Branch is not aware of it. If we really wanted to be America First, rather than reducing the NIH budget, we'd be promoting another run

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Exactly. These are people you cannot generate or replace. You can either get some of the very limited and irreplaceable supply the human race has or you do not. Driving them away is about the most abysmally stupid thing you can do.

      On the other hand, if you are planning to establish an anti-Science theocracy where people are malnourished, sick and uneducated and the only "fun" to be had is prayer, that is exactly the way to do it. Of course, if it fails, you are just getting a completely failed state and eve

    • The US spent 75 years becoming one of the best, if not the best, scientific countries in the world and now, in just a few short years, it's rapidly undoing much of that.

      I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said, except the "just a few short years". It's both easy and appropriate to blame this on Trump - and lord knows there's LOTS go blame him for - but hacking away at the roots of the Tree of Knowledge goes a lot farther back.

      Probably far from first, but a convenient many-decades-old place to start: tobacco companies and oil companies hid the results of the science which proved the damage their products were causing. Hiding scientific results is the first step on th

    • One of the iron laws of academia is that a grad student is never hired by the institution that grants their PhD. If anything, this helps to make it easier for top-tier institutions to hire back the grad students that were working under these professors when they graduate.

    • by tchdab1 ( 164848 )

      When your overriding primary goal is snatching money and power, and science is providing reasons why that's not a good idea (stop burning so much fossil fuels which make hundreds of billions of $, stop giving healthcare or wage relief to people which expensively subtracts from the loot you can snatch, ...) then snuffing science becomes a secondary mandate.

  • Putin (Score:3, Insightful)

    by fluffernutter ( 1411889 ) on Friday August 28, 2026 @04:22AM (#66310802)
    Wow was Putin smart for backing this guy.
    • Heck, Canada should have backed him too!
      • Canada... no... don't... Stay true to yourselves... Please be proud to be that great friendly country you are. Love you! Greetings from the EU.
        • Re: Putin (Score:4, Informative)

          by fluffernutter ( 1411889 ) on Friday August 28, 2026 @05:01AM (#66310842)
          Thank you friend! I'm starting to wonder if we should BE in the EU.
          • Very welcome!
          • Re: Putin (Score:4, Interesting)

            by Rei ( 128717 ) on Friday August 28, 2026 @05:37AM (#66310864) Homepage

            I'm sure you'd be welcome if you ever wanted to - you're already ideologically highly aligned (and never really were with the US...) :) Honestly, economically and geopolitically it'd be a very strong alliance for both parties, as what Canada offers vs. what it needs is a good match for what the EU offers vs. what it needs. Though admittedly both parties need to rearm fast - but the EU has a lot more resources to do that than Canada has on its own. Canada has raw materials, EU needs them. Canadian automakers/parts suppliers need an alternative market, EU can provide it, etc.

            Shifting eastward wouldn't be frictionless - for example, your oil infrastructure is designed to send it south, not to ports that can export it to the east, and European refineries would need to set up to process it, for example. But it's pretty clear that the current status quo can no longer be relied on, as the US is intent on extortion.

          • BE already is in the EU. They are one of the OG members. ;-)

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Cheapest Victory Putin ever got.

  • $6 million each (Score:3, Insightful)

    by mkwan ( 2589113 ) on Friday August 28, 2026 @04:26AM (#66310808)

    The RNA medical researchers will be a loss. But climate change inequality researchers? Most Americans will be glad to see the back of them.

    • ... Right because you can't afford Canadian softwood so you are going to cut down all your trees which will solve the first fire problem. Brilliant!
    • Re:$6 million each (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 28, 2026 @05:39AM (#66310866)
      Most Americans are fucking morons that vote and think against their own best interests.
    • Yeah self-centred self-righteous arseholes just hate being called out as self-centred self-righteous arseholes because it means they need to put effort into trying to ignore their self-centred self-righteousness. The easiest way of doing that is for them to cut funding to researchers showing them they are self-centred self-righteous arseholes.

      I'm not surprised most Americans are glad to see the back of any researchers pointing this out.

      • Look into a mirror and repeat that.

        • Weird response. He's got it nailed. The inequity of climate change matters and the only reason Americans don't want to hear about it is that we've created both the climate change and the inequity, usually at gunpoint.

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Many (!) Americans are too dumb and uneducated to see reality. Your point is?

  • by dskoll ( 99328 ) on Friday August 28, 2026 @08:37AM (#66311012) Homepage

    Canada is playing the long game. Trump has the attention span of a gnat with ADHD.

  • by NotSoHeavyD3 ( 1400425 ) on Friday August 28, 2026 @08:40AM (#66311024) Journal
    Hearing this maybe these universities can do something crazy. You know, like focusing on undergrad education. In theory the cutting edge research should enhance and support the education but all too often it turns out it's what the uni does instead of education. Admittedly I'm a bit jaded. I went to a well known private university and at the time they were trying to climb the rankings ladder as fast as they could.(It worked btw) The education suffered because of it since the professors' focus was on research, grants, and publication. So for example professors' didn't show up for office hours. I went to 4 or 5 of them unannounced and they weren't there. I didn't know that shouldn't have been considered acceptable but I can't blame the profs since they had bigger fish to fry.(Since it's what the admin wanted them working on.) Hell one of the classes I had basically had the biggest of bigwigs. A legend in his field and when other professors talked about him it was like a religious person talking about god. About that, he couldn't teach and he couldn't even tell you how he got your grade.(That class was a complete shit show.) So if this at least gets them thinking about education then at least there's a silver lining.
    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      In the discussion at hand, that is a nonsense comment. This is about hiring research scientists away from still very cushy positions. That only works because these people expect to get restricted in their work and they can see the crash that is coming. This has NO connection at all to undergrad education.

    • When I look at prospective hires coming out of undergrad (usually interns, because we do real science and just about everyone has a PhD), I have learned over many, many years now that the "education" part of the university doesn't matter. I don't care what classes you took, I don't care about your GPA, I don't care if you started out a community college. By far the biggest factor that determines success for our post-bach hires whether they spent time *doing* rather than *learning*. Working in a research pro
  • by bill_mcgonigle ( 4333 ) * on Friday August 28, 2026 @09:19AM (#66311100) Homepage Journal

    Obviously NYT is just about narrative construction but it would be nice to know some figures like:

    * what is that in percentage of researchers?
    * and grants
    * how many are typical in a year?
    * what is the net in each direction for this time period?
    * and for a typical year

    I happen to know rwo researchers who got a position in Canada and several Canadians who got positions at US schools. That just seems normal from my limited perspective but maybe it's just because I feed them Molson and poutine so they keep coming around.

    Remember, numbers given without percentages and percentages given withouts without numbers are always propaganda.

    This has been your Defense against the Dark Arts class for today. Do your homework.

    • The point is that these researchers were lured partly because of Canadian government funding allocated specifically for this purpose. Lots of positions are open to foreign applicants who aren't necessarily recruited. And universities, labs, and private industry will always try to lure in rockstars. But the US federal government has never (to my knowledge) encouraged or financially supported such recruitment. I'm sure the overall numbers involved are a rounding error in the total inter-country hiring. What's
  • This always happens before the big crash. Because people like that can see the crash coming.

  • What other numbers make that 48 impressive or otherwise?

  • "His work focuses on how climate hazards inequitably affect communities, and that work has become harder to fund, he said."

    ... why he's moving to a country that is mining oil sands as fast as they can.

  • climate change may not be happening fast enough

  • Is all of the talented people around the world and in the US fleeing to elsewhere with less abuse, less hostility, and better places to live, e.g., a brain drain, created by US government double-barreled footgunning policies.
  • A Canadian researcher Prof I know who lived in the US for many years and held a prof position at a US institution. He lead a lead major breakthrough in high precision measurements of fundamental particles, and was leading several major experiments, and bringing lots of research money. With the current US administration busy destroying fundamental physics research and funding paths, this researcher recently accepted an offer at a top Canadian university. He relocated his family and his entire research team
  • Not mentioned:

    Canada has an economy that has performed *FAR* worse than the US, especially over the past 15 years. Inflation is far higher, taxes are far higher, housing prices are out of control, productivity is stagnant. Canada over the past 20-25 years or so has become increasingly anti-liberty, anti-capitalist, anti-freedom, and anti-free speech.

    So, many Canadians have moved to the United States. Including scholars. Far in excess of any Americans moving to Canada.

    And a group of 48 moving from the US

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