US Considers Fresh Round of Tariffs On Semiconductors (cnbc.com) 81
An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNBC: U.S. President Donald Trump's administration is reportedly considering new tariffs on semiconductors used in the U.S., as tech giants race to beat China in the artificial intelligence infrastructure build-out. The duties will be imposed on an expanded range of tech products made alongside chips, including laptops, data center servers and gaming hardware, eight people familiar with the matter told Politico in a report published Thursday.
The measures, which are still in the early phases and subject to significant changes over the next few months, will be introduced via a staggered rollout period, according to the report. The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment from CNBC, but told Politico: "Reshoring semiconductor manufacturing is a top priority for President Trump, whose policies have already secured hundreds of billions of dollars of investments in this key sector." The tech industry is pushing back on the tariffs, warning they could raise chip costs, slow data-center construction, and undermine the very AI expansion the administration wants to promote. "This may be the single dumbest way imaginable to pursue American dominance in AI," said one tech official from a major industry group that also served in the first Trump administration. "It's like kneecapping yourself at the starting line."
Lobbyists say they have repeatedly urged officials to "tread carefully" because U.S. demand is surging while domestic chip capacity remains far too limited. The industry argues that factories take years to build and current domestic production cannot come close to satisfying demand.
One tech representative said "the math literally just does not work," noting that proposed duty-free allowances "wouldn't cover the hyperscalers alone." Meanwhile, the Computer and Communications Industry Association warned that higher costs and uncertainty could put the massive data-center buildout "in jeopardy."
The measures, which are still in the early phases and subject to significant changes over the next few months, will be introduced via a staggered rollout period, according to the report. The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment from CNBC, but told Politico: "Reshoring semiconductor manufacturing is a top priority for President Trump, whose policies have already secured hundreds of billions of dollars of investments in this key sector." The tech industry is pushing back on the tariffs, warning they could raise chip costs, slow data-center construction, and undermine the very AI expansion the administration wants to promote. "This may be the single dumbest way imaginable to pursue American dominance in AI," said one tech official from a major industry group that also served in the first Trump administration. "It's like kneecapping yourself at the starting line."
Lobbyists say they have repeatedly urged officials to "tread carefully" because U.S. demand is surging while domestic chip capacity remains far too limited. The industry argues that factories take years to build and current domestic production cannot come close to satisfying demand.
One tech representative said "the math literally just does not work," noting that proposed duty-free allowances "wouldn't cover the hyperscalers alone." Meanwhile, the Computer and Communications Industry Association warned that higher costs and uncertainty could put the massive data-center buildout "in jeopardy."
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I'm struggling to understand the logic, even from a MAGA perspective. How does making tech more expensive for US companies help them compete against Chinese companies?
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There is no logic.
Trump is genuinely a retard. It is not just that we don't like his societal choices or his morality. He is really that dumb. He made clear he believes tariffs is some tax the exporters pay themselves.
Also, the tech stocks will crater, Barron Trump will buy the dip and then the orang-outang will cancel the tariffs and Barron will make tons of money.
A lot is because he can. (Score:2)
Because he is not (currently) a dictator, he can't make his own laws. He's limited in what he can do.
Tariffs are one of the few things in which he is mostly able to do unilaterally. When all you've got is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.
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Because he is not (currently) a dictator, he can't make his own laws. He's limited in what he can do.
Tariffs are one of the few things in which he is mostly able to do unilaterally. When all you've got is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.
To be fair, the Supreme Court judged that Trump does not have that authority [wikipedia.org]. The Supreme Court that has enough corrupt members that his executive order trying to annul the fourteenth amendment was struck down just 6-3 rather than the obvious 9-0 with a comment describing how to actually change the constitution.
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While I certainly don't think he's a genius, I think holding the world's largest economy hostage to personally enrich himself and his family in schemes that take a lot of effort to prove requires at least a moderate level of intelligence. And a far greater degree of evil.
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The logic is economic autarky -- the belief that we're always better off having complete political sovereignty over every part of our supply chains than having to depend on imports for anything.
This is likely also behind Trump's trade war with Canada. His demands with Canada aren't about discirimatory tariffs -- those were negotiated away with NAFTA then re-negotiated in his first term. His demands are now infringe on Canadian sovereignty, to give US control of Canada's external trade policy, and even on
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
A tariff is a way of punishing Canada
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if you agree with one candidate on 80% of stuff, and the other on 5%, who to vote for is clear.
If you agree with Trump on 80% of what he's doing I feel genuinely sorry for you.
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Why feel sorry for people who are arseholes and proud of it?
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Why feel sorry for people who are arseholes and proud of it?
In this case it's more than just being arseholes, though this is part of it. I feel sorry for them because they have a tarnished soul.
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Her belief is work hard and die young to avoid the govern
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It's not stupid if chaos and destruction are the goals. It's only evil.
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Idiocracy (Score:2)
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To be fair, I was also curious what Trump would do when he didn't have to worry about reelection or, indeed, living much past the end of his term. Curious in the way you see the edge of a cliff and wonder what it would be like to jump off.
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To be fair, I was also curious what Trump would do when he didn't have to worry about reelection or, indeed, living much past the end of his term. Curious in the way you see the edge of a cliff and wonder what it would be like to jump off.
For example, threaten to demolish [npr.org] the Kennedy Center if he can't add his name to it.
Re:Idiocracy (Score:4, Insightful)
To be fair, I was also curious what Trump would do when he didn't have to worry about reelection or, indeed, living much past the end of his term. Curious in the way you see the edge of a cliff and wonder what it would be like to jump off.
For example, threaten to demolish [npr.org] the Kennedy Center if he can't add his name to it.
Or this, so childish. Trump to skip 9/11 remembrance at Ground Zero because they wouldn’t let him give a speech [independent.co.uk]
The 9/11 Memorial and Museum in New York City does not allow politicians to speak at Ground Zero to maintain a nonpartisan stance.
The president had initially intended to join former presidents and other officials in Manhattan on September 11, but those plans were changed after memorial planners seemingly reminded Trump’s team that politicians are barred from speaking at the site to maintain its nonpartisan stance, the New York Times reported.
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a priori this seems different; they say: still in the early phases and subject to significant changes over the next few months, will be introduced via a staggered rollout period. that doesn't even remotely sound like trump's usual reckless and impulsive acting out (maybe he isn't even involved in this?) and could mean a cautious and sensible approach to promoting us semiconductor industry, which isn't a bad idea if it is supported by further policies and investments. tariffs alone will ofc do little, except
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We all saw what happened the first time around, and a majority thought, "Let's do this again! Better this than some woman who laughs funny."
Well... "majority" means more than half and Trump only got 49.8% (77,302,580) of the popular vote and Harris got 48.3% (75,017,613). An estimated 36% (89 million) eligible voters didn't even vote - so only about 64% of eligible voters actually voted. This means that Trump only got about 31% of all eligible votes. More people didn't vote than voted for either individual candidate. So it's more like tyranny of the more motivated minority. Voting matters people. Also, my personal feeling is that if you
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As for mandatory voting, I fail to see how getting more uneducated voters into voting boxes helps anything. Not uneducated in terms of schooling, but uneducated about what they're actually voting on. Anyone who is only voting because they are forced to is not going to spend the time to learn abou
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If we used the popular vote, then I'd be more amenable to this mindset. Personally, I skipped the top of the ticket because I don't live in one of the 43 states that mattered.
Trump's reply (Score:3)
One tech representative said "the math literally just does not work,"
"It was my understanding that there would be no math."
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Probably also what the MAGA morons thought. And no physical reality either. Well, guess what ...
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He told them other countries would pay for the tariffs. I learned what a tariff was back in 6th grade.
But belonging to a cult will do that to a person.
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To be fair, tariffs are not math or science. They are business. But anybody with a reasonable education that they actually benefitted from (!) knows that tariffs are paid by the one importing stuff because "tariff" happens to mean the same as "import tax". And for bonus points, some people will even know that export taxes are paid to the country things come from, not the country things get shipped to. Not that this advanced and complex knowledge is needed to understand what is going on.
But yes, being in a c
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Since I have offended a cult member by stating facts, I shall give citations.
https://archive.ph/Eth0K#selec... [archive.ph]
“No, I’m going to impose a tariff on the outside world, and they’re going to pay it for their privilege of coming in and robbing our jobs and robbing our companies for years and years.”
He added: “The most beautiful word is the word tariff because it’s going to make us so rich, and we’re going to save our companies.”
Sure... (Score:2)
The solution? Add another "Tax" on things.
"Slow clap" great job
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To be fair, he is still making himself richer and he is still not in prison. That is impressive, but not in any good way.
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American's #1 issue these days: Affordability.
The solution? Add another "Tax" on things.
Well... Trump (still) says "affordability" is a hoax and foreign companies and countries pay the tariffs. The first is demonstrably wrong (just go buy food, gas...), the second is literally wrong (just look it up). He keeps pushing this and his followers keep going along with it. Boggles the mind. The Wharton School must be re-thinking the degree they gave Trump, 'cause it doesn't seem like he earned it...
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as the argument.
Trump just picked sides in "AI debate" (Score:2)
It looks like Comrade Trump just now chose the "no more datacenters!" team. His punitive taxes are one of the best tools we have to sanction the US economy, keeping growth down and inflation up.
I used to think Comrade Trump's Greenpeace membership was a sham, but over the last year he's proven himself to be a true believer that American industries all need to be shut down. First America, then The World! It's time humanity went back to hunting and gathering. FUCK FARMERS!
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That will last exactly until the mid-term votes are cast. He is getting desperate and trying anything now.
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It'll last until next news cycle.
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As bad as his dementia now is, possibly.
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trump considers fresh round of sanctions on US (Score:5, Insightful)
Please get a new idea (Score:5, Informative)
Ironically for Republicans the only economic tool they seems to capable of using these days is taxes, taxes and more taxes.
And yet since 2000 it turns out that the Bush and Trump tax cuts are going to end up responsible for nearly 50% of US debt [ms.now] and Trump himself may end up responsible for 25% of all US debt. Let that sink in and accept the fact that when Republicans tell you they want balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility they are lying to your face.
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We can say that but the public seems to disagree as they don't like services being cut and Republicans don't seem to want to cut anything meaningful and they also love subsidies and Federal spending and we can't say it's wasteful spending because we've had multiple Republican admins, Congess majorities and the glorious DOGE and no huge waste has ever been uncovered so seems like we're left with one option: raise revenues.
Conservatives love comparing the US economy with a home economy so if you had the optio
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WTF (Score:2)
WTF is he doing? He's like actively trying to destroy the US!
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He does whatever Stephen Miller whispers into his ear. He's nothing more than the useful idiot cult leader.
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Yes he does.
He has been chosen by the Soviets in hope he could be used to cripple the USA. He is not the only one. They threw a lot of things to the wall and looked what stuck. The Russians are not playing 4D chess, it just turns out Trump is their most efficient asset.
Well described here: https://desk-russie.info/2025/... [desk-russie.info]
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No, he's not actively trying to destroy the US. His actions are meant to enrich himself. To a sociopath such as he the destruction of an entire nation is of no consequence as long as the money keeps coming to him.
The US is being destroyed by his apathy, not malice.
China probably loveing it. (Score:2)
China is probably very happy with this development.
Good way to kneecap all your industries in one go. Pretty much every new modern microwave to your TV to your automobile have at least 1 or more chips in them.
Only things which may not have a chip are things which dont use power. Maybe your bed (assuming not one of the "smart beds"), chair, baseball bat, etc.
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For the kool aid drinkers (Score:2)
History has shown this ends poorly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
This is literally just a way to shift tax burden (Score:2)
Basically they want to create a national sales tax because that puts the tax burden for paying for the military and the police and everything onto people who spend most of their income buying things. That's you.
So this is just a way to make you the working Man pay the taxes for the people who own things for a living instead of working for a living.
The idea that we have people who own things for a living in ou
Turns out it wasn't woke coming for your games (Score:2)
Right now we're just barely able to skate by because there's a glut of old hardware floating around that could be sold for cheap. Like how Sega mega drives are available in third world countries these days.
In a few more years that's basically where we're going to be at. Video gaming will be a luxury like it was in the early '70s. And you certainly won't be
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$900 transparent XBox, sells out immediately, zero improvements over existing opaque black plastic xbox.
INSANITY
Anti-capitalist shmucks (Score:2)
The GOP seems to think that Capitalism = mean to poor people, nice to rich people. No. Capitalism = Free market = no tariffs.
Tariffs = Mercantilism.
Capitalism hates Mercantilism. Capitalism was created because Mercantilism did not work, it was created as a replacement for it.
The GOP is not and has not been capitalistic for quite some time.
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Well, no. We got where we are by not doing it that way. Plus, our political system doesn't work with it.
This is not a GOP thing, it's a Trump populist thing. The party is not pleased. There are a lot of members in Congress that are screaming at him every day. I also think it's a mistake. I was fine with it when it was
Tariffs on duty-free (Score:2)
Next thing you know duty-free won't be duty-free anymore.
Tariff the data centers, not me! (Score:2)
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But they don't make memory, and that's the real killer right now. And the datacenters have already bought it all.
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You are confusing two different things. Chip makers don't care WHO buys the chips, just who will spend the most on those chips. It's all the same to them. Right now, datacenters will pay much more for the same silicon then a consumer will. Chip makers responded buy focusing their production on higher value chips. Since there are only a few chip makers, we're screwed as consumers.
Whenever the chip makers decide to rebalance production to consumer gear, we'll still be sitting here waiting to buy. It's a great
Fuck You, Donald Trump (Score:2)
First President to completely send the US economy into freefall TWICE. We should make him drink from the firehose.
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However, the current economic
Trump Policy (Score:2)
Take the thing we have barely the capacity to produce, almost all industries in the US depend on, and make it more expensive. Should help the economy.
How does this punish China? (Score:2)
By making it harder for US companies to use AI, how does that harm China? Already, businesses are feeling the squeeze. I'm just wondering if this is regulatory capture on a higher level, ensuring the squeezes on hardware prices by US vendors can't be fixed by other countries.
Already, the RAM and SSD price hikes are not affecting other countries nearly as much as the US.
And we will keep shooting ourselves in the foot (Score:2)
And we will keep shooting ourselves in the foot until the situation improves.
When it rains, it pours? (Score:2)
Might the logic behind this be this?: RAM is expensive. Storage is expensive. Nobody's going to buy a computer anyway, so you might as well make the other components more expensive too.
It even goes with Trump's more general agenda to make everything more expensive.