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China and the US Say They've Agreed to Start Talks About AI (cnn.com) 167

The United States and China have agreed to "launch a dialogue" on AI, reports Reuters. On artificial intelligence, the two sides agreed to hold a dialogue on the technology's risks and benefits, with the next round of discussions set for November, and to set up a communication channel for AI-related incidents, the Chinese Foreign Ministry and the White House said.

The White House said that the leaders had agreed to use the term "super intelligence" in place of "artificial intelligence." In a separate statement, the Chinese ministry said that Beijing valued Washington's use of the new term. As AI technology continues to advance, the two sides should step up exchanges and work toward consensus in line with new developments, it said.

But CNN argues that "Despite growing calls to prevent AI development from spiraling out of control, the Trump-Xi summit has produced little substance, as many experts expected." The right thing to do on AI, [China's leader] Xi said during talks with Trump, is to "draw on each other's strengths, not guard against each other" — a reference to Beijing's concern about US containment, from existing tech export controls to potential AI restrictions. "The two sides can continue their dialogue on AI, exchange views on its risks and benefits, and jointly prevent the misuse and abuse of AI," he added. But the summit has yielded little progress on AI beyond a formal dialogue and a bilateral communication channel, proposals discussed before the two leaders' summit — underscoring the entrenched mutual mistrust amid contrasting visions on AI... Because of low levels of trust, cooperation between the two superpowers remains limited, said George Chen, chair of digital practice at The Asia Group consultancy. "Beijing continues to believe Washington seeks to contain China's rise in AI and other emerging technologies, a perception that will shape the pace and scope of future engagement for the two countries on AI," he said.
CNN also points out that while China trails the US in frontier AI models, "it's rapidly narrowing the technology gap while championing a more open ecosystem centered on accessibility and lower cost." In July, Chinese leader Xi Jinping launched the World Artificial Intelligence Cooperation Organization — a rival grouping to the Pax Silica alliance that Trump formed last year to reduce reliance on China for AI supply chains. While over two dozen countries and the European Union signed up to Trump's Pax Silica, Xi has recruited 29 countries, including Russia, Indonesia and Pakistan, to his alternative vision of open models, which allow users to freely download, customize and run without paying hefty fees to American firms like Anthropic and OpenAI. For developers in the Global South, an inexpensive Chinese model from DeepSeek or Moonshot may be more useful than a slightly more capable system requiring an expensive subscription and access to a foreign cloud provider, said Eric Olander, editor in chief of The China-Global South Project, a research agency....

China's embrace of open systems has not always been a top-down strategy by Beijing. Restrictions on access to the most advanced chips because of US export controls, coupled with smaller capital markets, have pushed Chinese developers toward open models as a way to compete with leading US proprietary systems. That shift has proved effective. In a year, Chinese models' global usage skyrocketed from less than 15% to over 54% last week, led by DeepSeek, according to AI leaderboard data by OpenRouter, a marketplace for models. Even American firms, from Airbnb and DoorDash to Shopify, have embraced Chinese models, tapping into the advantages of open systems, including lower costs and greater flexibility for customization.

CNN adds this insight from Alex Colville, an analyst focusing on tech and security at the government-backed Australian Strategic Policy Institute. "The more capable Chinese models become, the less likely it is Beijing may leave them unrestricted."

China and the US Say They've Agreed to Start Talks About AI

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  • I'm so relieved (Score:4, Insightful)

    by CEC-P ( 10248912 ) on Sunday September 27, 2026 @01:52AM (#66351828)
    China never lies about anything that affects their power and money. Like they've never lied about coal usage, power plant numbers, their military, putting weapons in space, CO2 levels, their own population, their own economy, their own test scores, their own internet, their treatment of minorities, the state of their stock market, the hormone levels in their livestock, their usage of illegal pesticides, their illegal fishing rates, their belt and road initiative scams, their diving fertility rates, or their rampant racism.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      The problem for the trumpistani is that the whole "amurrikah prosperity" myth lies on the "AI" bubble and China is deflating it nicely by releasing high quality free and open models that run no worse than the "frontier" ones and on a very modest hardware.

      It is a win for anyone who can use the models for what they are good for without subsidizing the moronic push of cuckerberg, slopman, dario sicutdei and the fat Nazi for producing a mechanistic god that will make them all-powerful and long lived.

      Cool and no

      • Really? Yesterday, as a test, I asked different AI models (CoPilot, Gemini, Brave Leo/Qwen, Venice AI) what they thought about Trump's rebranding of Artificial Intelligence as "Super Intelligence". All of the others pointed out that Super Intelligence is a term that already exists for a class of intelligence, but Qwen, which is a Chinese model, told me that Trump was not the current president of the US. Gave me my first AI hallucination

        The claim about Chinese AI being superior or even competitive is hi

        • by Mr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 ) on Sunday September 27, 2026 @09:57AM (#66352106)

          How very strange.

          Here's a screenshot of my session with my local Quentin 3.8 27B answering the same questions just now.

          https://imgur.com/sVDycms [imgur.com]

          Seems like you're either lying or not really skillful using those tools for trivial questions.

          • FWIW, this is the hugging face card of the model that generated the response above.

            https://huggingface.co/unsloth... [huggingface.co]

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            One comment on that screenshot. Your AI said that it fetched a Wikipedia page from the Internet Archive because Wikipedia blocked it, if I understood it.

            Kind of a dick move. Wikipedia has clearly indicated that it doesn't want your AI using it as a resource, and so has the Internet Archive. IA in particular is a non profit and their servers are melting in the inferno of all these AI queries right now.

            • Wikipedia actually works fine, they just ask you to send a unique user agent header and have a very generous restrictions policy for a single user.

              The LLM I think fetched the article about trump's comment from the "internet archive" because the article website blocked it. It chose to use the simple fetch tool and I send whatever UA string the library has, so they assume it was a scraper bot or something. Besides, more and more websites put cloudflare and give you captcha shit instead of information if you

        • by Guignol ( 159087 )
          Au contraire,
          I think you miss the mark of true genius, as Hardy would say about some famous Ramanujan's astonishing 'result', that it may be wrong, but was still right in a deeper sense
        • Try asking it what day it is today, or tomorrow...

          I use qwen frequently, and that is the thing it gets wrong most often (AFAIK), or similar, like when it says, next Monday, the 29th...ie can't even check its dates on a calendar ðY

          Of course, like the western AIs, qwen also doesn't work in mainland China - not supported. It has a m/l specific version, of course, but, for me, at least, I wanted one that works everywhere.

          Maybe I'll test Kimi on this...but I guess this whole AI technology is segregated. Sig

    • Re:I'm so relieved (Score:5, Insightful)

      by quenda ( 644621 ) on Sunday September 27, 2026 @05:36AM (#66351928)

      China never lies about anything ...

      People who have a coherent argument to make, and are not afraid to defend it, put their arguments plainly and directly.
      Others use sarcasm in order to avoid committing to any real statement, and avoid any debate or criticism. It is a lazy, cowardly approach for the inarticulate. It doesn't make you wrong, just vague and not contributing to a debate.

      Yes China lies. Tell us how that is different from your side, and what this actually means for AI negotiations.

      • by Jack9 ( 11421 )

        > Tell us how that is different from your side,

        What sides are you referring to?

        • TFS is about bilateral talks. What side do you think?
          • by Jack9 ( 11421 )

            > What side do you think?

            I didn't ask "what side", nor was I responding to the TFS.

            > Yes China lies. Tell us how that is different from your side, and what this actually means for AI negotiations.

            I don't understand what quenda meant by "sides", so I asked about it. This is how conversation works. Thinking about each nation as a side makes no sense in context.

            • Thinking about each nation as a side makes no sense in context.

              Bilateral talks have sides. It makes perfect sense. It doesn't make sense to pick a side like picking a sports team, but that doesn't mean there aren't two parties with opposing goals, ostensibly trying to reach a mutually beneficial agreement on a separate, shared goal.

      • I'd be interested in the examples of "China lies". People just run it off like it's accepted.

        Note that, to be a lie, it has to be deliberately wrong, not just wrong and/or ignorance. It can be quite difficult to prove intent. Even so, something to argue against, or even agree with, would be reasonable.

    • I'm sure the meeting will be something along the lines of: Both countries agree to slow down AI releases so they can better safety test them before release; meanwhile behind the scenes, they speed up the development of even more powerful weaponized AIs 'just in case'.

      I could even see China replacing the child labor on the Temu and AliExpress assembly lines with AI-controlled robots, and the only jobs really being mining rare-earth minerals, and working the rice paddies.
      America won't be any better off, rega

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      China hasn't lied about coal usage. We know because we can measure it from space, since they have to burn it to extract the energy. This is the same as the false claims that they covered up tens of millions of COVID deaths. We would see it from satellites if they tried to.

      That said, everyone bullshits Trump. Denmark just got him to agree to a 70 year old treaty on Greenland by telling him it was new and he was getting what he wanted for defence. Chances are whatever the agreement turns out to be, it will be

    • Once the US abides the non-aggression treaty with the king of Hawaii, I might start believing the US.
    • Reference required for...all of above...

      It sounds a lot like a load of BS to me, and, at best "pot calling the kettle black"...though I don't know who the pot is in this case, so shrug. Just the ramblings of a brainwashed sinophobe, maybe.

  • Trust China? (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward

    China have every reason to publicly support restricting AI development, while internally developing it anyway. They are well aware that they can get away with anything, while western nations will be held to account by their courts, media and public opinion once they have agreed to and signed any treaties or laws into place. China can sign the same things and completely ignore them, then deny it publicly when called out and get away with it. This is the world we live in whether we like it or not and we shoul

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Yes, the "free world" lost its leaders and China is winning bigly.

      Whether you admit it or deny it, you'll have to face it, trumpistani maggot.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      I trust China a lot more than Trump.

  • by Arnonyrnous Covvard ( 7286638 ) on Sunday September 27, 2026 @02:21AM (#66351840)

    I'm fully convinced that it does look like super intelligence to some people.

    • And since it will be friendly, we could call it, "super friend intelligence". That seems like it would be quite accurate.

    • Once you get past earning enough money to do whatever the average person would want the relationship between intelligence and net worth starts to invert, the more money you make the dumber you likely are. You need to be a bit of an idiot to think that owning 50 nice cars is much better than owning one, you can only drive one at a time so what's the point. Yet it's that exact type that are the CEOs that can't tell the difference between the plausible but too often off stuff AI generates and something smarter
  • by vyvepe ( 809573 )

    Long life and prosperous distillation future to (not only) Chinese open weights models. Hopefully they will not stop releasing them ... anytime soon at least.

    Having the code and the training data open would be much better but don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

  • by garryknight ( 1190179 ) <garryknight AT gmail DOT com> on Sunday September 27, 2026 @07:20AM (#66351974)

    It's the word 'intelligence' that they should have dropped, not 'artificial'!

  • I'm not sure why Trump wants to rebrand AI as SI, or even what SI is meant to refer to.

    In the current lingo we have LLMs=AI -> AGI -> ASI, with only OpenAI wanting to call today's LLMs "AGI", despite being sub-human in many capabilities such as ability to learn and creativity, as well as many specific areas (lack of generality).

    One reason the term "AI" seems to have taken off, is because people are, maybe unwittingly, using it to refer to a whole range of largely unrelated things, not just LLMs, but a

  • So the Subject is the concept of the joke I was hoping to find on this juicy topic, but Slashdot isn't laughing along. As usual these years.

    I think Xi is a much slicker salesman than the YOB ever was, notwithstanding the YOB's claims of negotiating supremacy. Xi's real plan probably involves selling combat drones for the YOB's umphal arch. (Can't call it "triumphal" with nothing to triumph.) However the drones will turn out to be factory seconds marked way up, counting on the YOB's people's inability to rec

  • Our bots communicating with their bots behind closed doors in opaque Clankerlang: what could possibly go wrong?
  • The United States is looking for ways to gain additional intel on Chinese AI in order to find ways to sabotage competitive efforts. The talks are disingenuous. They are like israel entering peace talks. It's all posturing and theater for the masses. Submitted for the remaining few who have still not worked this out.
  • Talking about agreeing to start talks was the start of the talks.
  • Anything you want, It's still the same old shit. This SI, AI, Whatever only benefits one class of people. And we all know who those are.

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