President Trump Doxxes Senator's Cellphone in Push For Permanent Daylight Saving Time (washingtonsun.com) 90
U.S. President Donald Trump "doxxed" a U.S. senator today, writes the Washington Sun, by posting his cell phone number "as part of a plea for his Truth Social followers to badger his Republican ally into making daylight saving time permanent."
When The Washington Sun called the number minutes after Trump's post, a recording said the mailbox was full and could not receive messages...
[Senator Tom] Cotton has long detested the idea of making daylight saving time permanent. In a Senate floor speech last year, Cotton said doing so would "make winter a dark and dismal time for millions of Americans," particularly harming kids. The Senate was only able to unanimously pass the bill in 2022 because Cotton was reportedly unaware the vote was taking place, though the measure stalled out from there. The Arkansas Republican didn't back down in a post on Saturday. "Arkansans don't want their kids going to school in the pitch dark, and I'll always put Arkansas first," he posted on X.
Trump continued his tear against Cotton soon after. "If Tom Cotton were putting Arkansas first, he would give them an extra hour of daylight and, more importantly, they wouldn't have to run all over their houses, farms, work places, and everywhere else, twice a year, having to change their Clocks, and often forgetting to do so," he posted on Truth.
[Senator Tom] Cotton has long detested the idea of making daylight saving time permanent. In a Senate floor speech last year, Cotton said doing so would "make winter a dark and dismal time for millions of Americans," particularly harming kids. The Senate was only able to unanimously pass the bill in 2022 because Cotton was reportedly unaware the vote was taking place, though the measure stalled out from there. The Arkansas Republican didn't back down in a post on Saturday. "Arkansans don't want their kids going to school in the pitch dark, and I'll always put Arkansas first," he posted on X.
Trump continued his tear against Cotton soon after. "If Tom Cotton were putting Arkansas first, he would give them an extra hour of daylight and, more importantly, they wouldn't have to run all over their houses, farms, work places, and everywhere else, twice a year, having to change their Clocks, and often forgetting to do so," he posted on Truth.
Haha (Score:5, Insightful)
Proving once again no one is safe from a tyrant.
Re: [Deserved] Haha (Score:2)
Mod parent funny but the low-hanging joke I was looking for was "It couldn't happen to a more deserving and persistently vicious moronotron." He's earned more than the sudden need for a new phone number.
I wonder how often the YOB's own phone number leaks? Credible reports say that it's widely known. (More likely that a certain phone number is widely known but that the phone number just reaches some sycophants who get lots of taxpayer money to carry that phone around on shifts.)
good to see (Score:3)
It gives me a little tweak of satisfaction every time twitler burns one of his shameless allies.
No concept of the Golden Rule (Score:5, Insightful)
Trump Doxxes Senator's [Tom Cotton (R-AR)] Cellphone
Imagine how irate Trump would be if someone did this to him -- or even half the stuff he does to others.
Re:No concept of the Golden Rule (Score:5, Insightful)
Or even a tenth. It's spoilt brat hypocrisy all the way down with MAGA.
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Trump Doxxes Senator's [Tom Cotton (R-AR)] Cellphone
Imagine how irate Trump would be if someone did this to him -- or even half the stuff he does to others.
I don't want to "imagine" it - I want to discover it empirically. I want to see him and every well-known adult member of his family - except for Mary - doxxed repeatedly until the only way they can talk privately is either in person or via two tin cans and a long piece of string.
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Won't work, he'll just get Peter Thiel or one of his other billionaire bootlickers with technology company connections to get back anyone doxxing his ill-begotten sprogs or other relations.
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And rightly so. The senator is not Trump. He is not immune from prosecution like Trump is. So it makes perfect sense that if someone doxxed Trump it should be treated differently than if Trump doxxed a regular American. Trump is a special case with special rights.
I(f you don't like it, maybe don't elect a king?)
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And most of those situations involve either a credible threat of harm, or tampering with juries.
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But he's the Chosen One. Jesus Fox Christ says he's Special, so the rules don't apply to him. We muggles get shit
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or even half the stuff he does to others.
Well we'd have all tried grabbing him by the pussy but none of us have hands big enough to do justice to the massive pussy that TACO is.
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He'd love it!. He'd find a way to charge people for calling him. Leaning on the carriers is easy now that he has his own FCC Nazi.
Want an interesting exercise: go through the Harry Potter books and write down all the evil traits of lesser villains than Voldemort. el Bunko has those traits including Voldemort's. He has no redeeming values.
Exercised by anything (Score:5, Interesting)
Why is it that the discussion on almost any issue in the US makes it sound like a bad decision is some sort of existential threat?
Re:Exercised by anything (Score:5, Insightful)
Fear and fake boogey men is keeps republicans in power. Immigrants will take your jobs at at second. A home invasion will happen to you any second. Biden will ban your steaks, Kamala will force windmills in your backyard, etc etc. Vote republican to hurt others and feel safe!
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See in civilized countries we have the concept of the separation of church and state.
The fate of a people isn't decided by what a cruel and unjust deity had for breakfast that day.
But y'all know, signs of living in a cult.
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And it has infected the Department of Christian War Crimes:
The Pentagon Prayer Seance
The Head Christian at the Department of Christian War Crimes has thus decreed that every month will feature a Christian Prayer Service for all employees who wish to come as long as they are not black, women, LBGQT++, or Democrat. And will now have an Office of Religious Affairs.
Sec. Pete Hegseth enters the Prayer Room, does 20 pushups, runs around it five times, and stops in front of an Orange Bust . . . . he fixes it with
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Because that's the received wisdom: if you don't like a decision, the best way to get it reversed is to yell about how it's going to lead to utter disaster and it MUST be changed at all costs.
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Presumably because people in the USA are so soft their kids can't spend a few minutes in the "dark" (streetlights are over 200 years old now)
Re:Exercised by anything (Score:4, Informative)
It's been the playbook since at least 9/11. If the electorate ever temporarily regains control of their bowels, an new threat is quickly manufactured.
Trump is such a dick (Score:5, Informative)
He's full of shit in everything he says.
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He's full of shit in everything he says.
Start with all parental advice you might ever give your child, take the inverse, and distill it.
Crazy idea here... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Crazy idea here... (Score:4, Insightful)
Or how about those southern states just shift their time zone instead of messing with everyone else.
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Or how about those southern states just shift their time zone instead of messing with everyone else.
Or how about we all just park the time half-way between Standard and DST, and never change it again?
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That doesn't help at all. Time zones are always needed.
Re:Crazy idea here... (Score:4, Informative)
It's the southern states which see comparatively little benefit from DST.
What I - and presumably many others - find amusing about this is Tom Cotton - loyal to the point of idiocy - not being loyal enough for His Master. I'd guess that Cotton is now seeing more mileage in separating himself from his Glorious dead duck Leader except that his position on this particular issue has been clear for some time.
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I do not think shifting the time zone back to the 1950's Jim Crow South is physically possible, although they are dong their damnest to try.
Re:Crazy idea here... (Score:5, Informative)
Or just get rid of daylight savings time instead of making it permanent. Permanent DST is the worst solution.
Re: Crazy idea here... (Score:3, Insightful)
Or just get rid of daylight savings time instead of making it permanent. Permanent DST is the worst solution.
Or how about we switch to standard time for the winter but use DST for the summer? That way we get light in the morning in winter (which you want), plus light in the evening in summer (which other people want).
(Sorry if this is a goofy answer. It just seems like we already have the solution that works best for people's natural clocks and when the sun is available.)
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If DST were eliminated, the sun would rise at 4:15 am in Chicago in June.
Re:Crazy idea here... (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't really see why this would be a problem. People are adaptable. It snows a lot in Chicago but that doesn't stop people from going to work and school through the winter.
Re:Crazy idea here... (Score:5, Insightful)
12PM is fucking noon is when the fucking sun is at its highest position in the sky.
It has been like this for at least a millennia. DST is bullshit.
Live with nature and quit fucking denying it like a conservative.
Re:Crazy idea here... (Score:5, Informative)
While I somewhat share your sentiment, noon (as shown by your clock or watch, let's call it clock-noon) is not when the sun is at its highest point in the sky except for exactly 4 days per year and only if you just so happen to be standing on one of the 24 meridian lines on Earth.
When the sun is at its highest point in the sky is solar noon [timeanddate.com] and isn't what most people mean (or what your clock or watch means) by "noon."
The discrepancy happens due to (1) the Earth's axial tilt, (2) the Earth position in its orbit, and (3) time zones. The first two can be compensated for using the Equation of Time [wikipedia.org]. If you don't compensate, then you can be off by as much as 14 slow (around February 11) or 16 minutes fast (around November 3).
For time zones, you have to adjust by your longitude relative to your time zone's central meridian: for every degree east or west, you have to subtract or add 4 minutes, respectively.
Ideally, yes, but reality isn't the way it is for the convenience of humans and it would be highly impractical for everyone to have his or her own local time based on their (current) longitude.
That said, the twice-a-year changing of our clocks certainly doesn't help matters.
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12PM is fucking noon is when the fucking sun is at its highest position in the sky.
It has been like this for at least a millennia. DST is bullshit.
Live with nature and quit fucking denying it like a conservative.
*hug*
Re:Crazy idea here... (Score:5, Insightful)
If DST were eliminated, the sun would rise at 4:15 am in Chicago in June.
Um, you do realize that there are other parts of the world where the sun rises at 4:15 am in June and parts where it rises even earlier? I live in one of them.
Somehow, we have managed to adapt to these weird circumstances with no problem at all. It's called "not living in the Tropics".
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Even a few places where it doesn't actually rise in June because it didn't set in the first place and won't for another month or so.
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Same where I live in Southern Alberta. And that's the way it was when I was a child before the province adopted DST. And you know what? It was just fine.
Re:Crazy idea here... (Score:5, Insightful)
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(Undoing an accidental mod. Nothing to see here.)
Re:Crazy idea here... (Score:4, Insightful)
If you dont want your kids going to school in the dark just change the school hours.
If you don't want your kids living in the dark just change the administration.
FTFY
That's not really an option (Score:2, Insightful)
Now we could build a civilization around something other than work especially given how much automation we keep doing but fuck that right?
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No (Score:2)
The only option is to keep increasing your productivity and hope you get enough to keep your head just barely above water.
If you want to do away with daylight savings time you're going to have to do away with our current anarco capitalist system. You can't have a few nice things in a
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Or put in basic street lighting while also not raising a bunch of soft little fairy floss wimps?
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If you don't want your kids going to school in the dark just change the school hours.
This, so much this.
While I personally would prefer "Standard Time" all the time, anything that removes twice-yearly clock changes would be an improvement. Local schools and businesses can then just set whatever opening and closing times best match the local situation - heck they could even change those individual hours throughout the year if they wanted. Making EVERYONE change EVERYTHING twice a year is just stupid.
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If you dont want your kids going to school in the dark just change the school hours.
I'm starting to see just how complex this is all going to be and that the only thing worse than daylight savings is not having daylight savings.
Same old song and dance (Score:4, Interesting)
The real problem is all the moving parts that make it difficult to just do the smart thing, i.e. change the school system start and end time, if it's a problem. I realize that parents often build routines and work schedules around school, and that those parents just may not have the lee-way to adjust their schedules (business open/close times, approval from boss, etc).
Of course, all those problems still might be easier to solve at the state level than relying Act of Congress.
Re:Same old song and dance (Score:5, Interesting)
It's not parents. It's society. Schools is just one element of it, but everything we do is somehow interlinked and tied together with common understandings of what constitutes "business hours". The shift is far more difficult than any one subset of people adjusting their schedule, which is why this stuff is fundamentally dealt with at the clock level in the first place.
But one thing is clear: This is *NOT* a problem for a state level. There's nothing worse than dividing clocks further in a country. Yes the timezone may not be ideal for everyone, but there's real benefit into having the largest group of people on a consistent time, especially if you're on a border city.
Fun anecdote 1: It's really fun driving down Tweed Heads in Australia and watching one half of the street suddenly be open while the other isn't because as you cross the road to go from the hairdresser to the cafe you change timezone.
Fun anecdote 2: I found out I lost my job on the news because my brilliant employer released an embargoed press release that was due to be lifted at 10am to coincide with a plant wide meeting taking place at 10am. But they forgot to mention to the media head offices (based in NSW/Victoria) that they were talking about 10am AEST. So at 10am AEDT (9am AEST) I learned that they were closing our plant while drinking a coffee in front of the TV showing breaking news.
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This is *NOT* a problem for a state level. There's nothing worse than dividing clocks further in a country. Yes the timezone may not be ideal for everyone
By "this", I expect you are referring to Daylight Saving Time...and I vehemently agree. That's definitely something that should not become even more piecemeal than it already is.
To clarify my position, by "all of those problems" I specifically meant "business hours" and the other links in the chains that bind people to said business hours. Many of those problems, I think, can be better solved at a more local level. Whether or not they ever will be...
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How local are we talking? Are you saying that a branch of a supermarket in one city should be open at a different time to another? And are we talking only shops that interact with local customers, or ones that require on upstream interstate trade?
To be clear, everything eventually gets solved, but the solution is to eventually settle on the time scale we have now. Schools, businesses, banks, supermarkets, late night bodegas, they didn't all get created by decree, they naturally evolved to where we were on a
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U.S. Banks have managed OK opening after "business hours" start and closing before they end for pretty much the history of the U.S.
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Were you arguing against me or making my point for me. The fact you pointed to "U.S. Banks" (an industry) rather than differences in individual bank branches or companies emphasises what I said: Society is synchronised. Banks (industry wide) adjusted their time scale to suit society and every aspect of business around them works with them to do so. Just like key delivery drivers get up earlier to do deliveries before shops open, the system breaks down when all their customers don't work in unison.
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A little of each. Banks in the U.S. actually maximized inconvenience by being closed any time most people actually had a decent opportunity to go to the bank, but it worked out somehow.
We already tried it (Score:5, Informative)
We tried year-round DST for a short time in the 70s. It was popular before it was passed, but... very very unpopular after it passed, because the mornings are very very dark and unpleasant. Good thing we learn from history rather than repeating it!
Re:We already tried it (Score:5, Informative)
I was a kid in the 70s. I walked to school (by myself) in the dark many mornings. Daylight savings time would not have prevented that.
Kids don't walk to school now. They are not alone in the dark without protection from the boogeymen and wild animals, freezing in the cold and wet. Parents chauffer them to school and back. Times have changed.
We are also not working the same rigid schedules we were then. School hours were set to allow parents to get their kids off to school before their shift at the factory / office. School does not have to start at 8am.
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Yeah you have to be a special kind of stupid to think permanent DST is a good idea. We should get rid of it all together, not make it permanent.
Re: We already tried it (Score:2)
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Reminds me of where I live. It was a common trope that we were located well away from any earthquake fault lines until an earthquake destroyed a number of buildings here. Afterwards, the local papers happily reported how there was lots of evidence in the hills and rocks all around of ongoing activity but also past city records of prior events doing damage to dwellings when it was a smaller town. In fact, even the university here has always specialised in earthquake engineering.
It was a known, but public
Re:We already tried it (Score:4, Informative)
Re: We already tried it (Score:2)
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very very unpopular after it passed, because the mornings are very very dark and unpleasant
Everything is always unpopular after it passes. Also mornings are always unpleasant. The question is, do you accept that unpleasantness as a trade-off the mind-blowingly brilliant increase in pleasure that is being able to get home from work and enjoy more a sunny day?
Seriously fuck mornings, whether the sun is up or not. I'd trade every second of sun before work for extra sun after in a heartbeat. I can't sit in outside and enjoy a nice beer before work. My employer does random alcohol testing.
That was the 70s before flexible schedules. (Score:2)
Even with savings time changes many stores still keep separate summer and winter hours - and it doesn't seem to mess up their employees or the customers.
Modern times! But archaic clock management
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I was in the 2nd grade when that happened. From my perspective, it was a great novelty and meant we got to take (mostly unnecessary) flashlights to school that we used in the morning walking to our bus stop. It was a hit with the kids I knew. We were disappointed that the "experiment" was stopped.
Meanwhile, in the northern-most states, the kids go to school in the dark now part of the year.
Complete insanity (Score:2)
How the mighty have fallen ...
Permanent DST is definitely not the best choice (Score:5, Interesting)
Some scientific studies have found that permanent DST is about 2/3rds as good as permanent standard time:
https://med.stanford.edu/news/... [stanford.edu]
And others have found that permanent DST is the worst option:
https://www.berkshireeagle.com... [berkshireeagle.com]
Considering Trump is pushing this it's probably lucky that he's not manually adjusting the time zone to suit how he feels with no warning.
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“It’s based on the theory that early morning light is better for our overall health,” Zeitzer said of these endorsements. “The problem is that it’s a theory without any data. And finally, we have data.” ... ... ...
The researchers used a mathematical model to translate light exposure under each time policy, based on local sunrise and sunset times, to circadian burden — essentially, how much a person’s innate clock has to shift to keep up with the 24-hour day.
To link circadian burden to specific health outcomes, the researchers analyzed county-level data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on the prevalence of arthritis, cancer, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, coronary heart disease, depression, diabetes, obesity and stroke.
For one thing, the researchers didn’t account for many factors that could influence real-life light exposure, including weather, geography and human behavior.
In their calculations, the researchers assumed consistent and relatively circadian-friendly light habits, including a 10 p.m. to 7 a.m. sleep schedule, sunlight exposure before and after work and on weekends, and indoor light exposure from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. and after sunset. But in reality, many people have erratic sleep schedules and spend more time indoors.
“People’s light habits are probably much worse than what we assume in the models,” Zeitzer said. “Even in California, where the weather is great, people spend less than 5% of their day outside.”
It's perfectly reasonable as a publishing churn paper, but it's a crock of shit if you're trying to use it to inform public debate. Nothing was actually studied. It's a mathematical model that doesn't try to model actual human behavior or account for confounding factors. You can have the result be anything.
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Honestly most Americans would be healthier walking to their letterbox instead of driving to the end of their driveway. I don't think a tiny barely significant change in health is at all relevant for anything other than your desire to push you own personal preference.
Fuck mornings. Let them be dark so I can spend more time enjoying a beer in the afternoon (did the study consider liver damage?)
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Sounds like a plan to kill off USPS once and for all. No American is going to walk any distance to get what little postal mail they get these days.
You know, you can drink beer when it's dark out. Drink enough and enjoyment will be the same.
It is not doxxing (Score:1, Troll)
When the "doxxed" is an elected representative of the people. Someone paid by taxpayers, with work tools paid by taxpayers, is paid to work for the people. But once again, the media want to portrait anything they disagree as [insert today's narrative here]. Sen Cotton isn't being arrested, as Flock has incorrectly doxxed many others in the country. He's just publicly called out to do what he was put to work for.
Re: It is not doxxing (Score:2)
This was my thought too. Why did someone mark it troll?
Permanent health debuff (Score:3)
It has been proven that DST is bad for your health. Now, why would Trump be behind something that harms all Americans?
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It has been proven that DST is bad for your health. Now, why would Trump be behind something that harms all Americans?
He's not... he's only behind things that make him money and keeps himself out of prison. He literally does not care about anyone else one way or the other.
OT: I don't give a damn; pick one and stay there.
Orange you smart (Score:2)
WAY too late to get computers updated by Nov (Score:2)
Hell, about half the computers and software systems (like databases) in the public right now still aren't ready to hold Americas/Vancouver time on DST-365 (my own macbook didn't get the upgrade until about a month ago) when the flip happens. Not all the upgrades have rolled out or people are still intentionally using older systems because they "just work" (e.g., sticking with Java 8 and not having any time or inclination to try to get to Java 25 which changes so many network related libraries one might as w
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that is a very naive way of looking at how computers work, especially computers that have to share future scheduling information with other computers. NO computer has what you are talking about that would just magically solve everything - especially in THIS case where the DST would be 365. Yeah, you could tell your computer to 'lie' about its location and say it was in, say, Brazil rather than Chicago in order to stick to whatever TZ you want your device to think it is in...but that is not something that sc
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But when it comes to hardware I stand by my statement.
Make the change now and just fix issues that crop up. This isn't like y2k was with all the unknowns.
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it also presumes YOUR device is the most important device around, as opposed to, say, air traffic and flight scheduling systems, train systems, electricity control systems, stoplight control systems (they adjust their 'rush hour' times each switch), cruise and shipping departure and arrival times.
All of those systems need independent testing time to confirm that they have the switch, they can exchange information with other computers and be accurate about the switch, and all handle the fact that there would
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Even if they pass the law now doesn't mean it has to take effect when it's passed. Indeed, most newly passed laws' effective date isn't the day it's passed but typically months in the future. (However, if a law is declared unconstitutional, it's unconstitutional immediately.)
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But that's not what Trump is asking for. He is asking for "effective immediately", just like the British Columbia bill was.
Yeah, you're suggesting Congress could set it for next year (giving next year's Congress a chance to revoke it), but that's not what is being proposed by the Administration nor the bill that already passed the House but the Senate seems to be never picking up.
Noon (Score:2)
Won't somebody think of the poor steeplejacks! (Score:2)