DHS Lied About Why It Wanted To Search Activist's GrapheneOS Phone (404media.co) 340
New court records reportedly show that DHS targeted Stop Cop City activist Samuel Tunick at an Atlanta airport because he was under investigation for suspected "terrorist activities." However, the CBP officers told him instead that they wanted to search his phone for child sexual abuse material (CSAM). Tunick, who is not accused of terrorism or any other crime beyond allegedly wiping his GrapheneOS phone during the encounter, faces up to five years in prison. 404 Media reports: Instead of saying he was being targeted for suspected terrorism -- although this search happened just at the start of the second Trump administration, it has dramatically broadened what organizations or people may be considered such -- they said they needed his phone to look for "kiddie p*rn." "Good afternoon," an email sent from a Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) official, part of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), to CBP and other officials reads. "The following subject is scheduled to arrive in ATL [Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport] today via DL 1778 @ 1930 Hours. TUNICK is under investigation by HSI/JTTF for suspected terrorist activities." The email includes a photo of Tunick, and asks the officials to direct him to secondary inspection, retain all of his electronics, and collect their passcodes.
As 404 Media first revealed in December, Tunick was charged because he allegedly "did knowingly destroy, damage, waste, dispose of, and otherwise take any action to delete the digital contents of a Google Pixel cellular phone, for the purpose of preventing and impairing the Government's lawful authority to take said property into its custody and control." Matthew Dodge, one of Tunick's lawyers, previously told 404 Media he only found one other case using the same obscure law, a drug trafficking case. "This is extraordinarily rare," Dodge said.
Tunick was part of the Stop Cop City movement in Atlanta, which broadly protested the building of a large police training center, and which authorities investigated for arson, vandalism, and doxing. Tunick is not suspected of any crime beyond the alleged wiping of the phone, and has previously put his current prosecution in the context of the wide spanning cases against other Stop Cop City protesters. The newly filed court record, in which Tunick's lawyers argue that evidence should be thrown out, include new photos and descriptions of the airport encounter. The CBP officials asked Tunick if they were going to find "kiddie p*rn" on his phone, which Tunick immediately denied. "As the evidentiary hearing made clear, these unfounded accusations were nothing more than pretext for a fishing expedition into the depths of Mr. Tunick's devices," the lawyers wrote. They added, "Officer Findley acknowledged that officers had no reason whatsoever to believe Mr. Tunick possessed child p*rnography," referring to one of the officials.
As 404 Media first revealed in December, Tunick was charged because he allegedly "did knowingly destroy, damage, waste, dispose of, and otherwise take any action to delete the digital contents of a Google Pixel cellular phone, for the purpose of preventing and impairing the Government's lawful authority to take said property into its custody and control." Matthew Dodge, one of Tunick's lawyers, previously told 404 Media he only found one other case using the same obscure law, a drug trafficking case. "This is extraordinarily rare," Dodge said.
Tunick was part of the Stop Cop City movement in Atlanta, which broadly protested the building of a large police training center, and which authorities investigated for arson, vandalism, and doxing. Tunick is not suspected of any crime beyond the alleged wiping of the phone, and has previously put his current prosecution in the context of the wide spanning cases against other Stop Cop City protesters. The newly filed court record, in which Tunick's lawyers argue that evidence should be thrown out, include new photos and descriptions of the airport encounter. The CBP officials asked Tunick if they were going to find "kiddie p*rn" on his phone, which Tunick immediately denied. "As the evidentiary hearing made clear, these unfounded accusations were nothing more than pretext for a fishing expedition into the depths of Mr. Tunick's devices," the lawyers wrote. They added, "Officer Findley acknowledged that officers had no reason whatsoever to believe Mr. Tunick possessed child p*rnography," referring to one of the officials.
Projection (Score:2, Insightful)
Coming from the guy who was best buds with Epstein.
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Re:Projection (Score:4, Insightful)
You believe any of that shit?
Yes, they may have had a falling out. What transpired previously to that?
And the fact that you are pointing at that bullshit "interview" between Maxwell and the current AG as anything but the massively biased thing it is, is laughable. What was said before the recorder was turned on? What promises were made? We already know she was transferred from a secure prison to a federal camp against regulations immediately afterward - you sure there isn't a quid pro quo? Are you really?
Try not to be such a hayseed.
Re: Projection (Score:4, Informative)
The files were sealed by a judge.
The child rapist you worship doesn't obey judges, but Democrats do.
That's the whole story.
Keep defending child rape and the whole world will assume you rape children.
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That has been disproven
Where? Why are all the democratic and progressive prosecuters and members of congress not acting on this evidence you claim exists?
ALL that "evidence that proves him innocent" is locked up in the Epstein files ...
Which the Democratic and Progressive Biden administration had for four years. An administration that went to extreme measures in an attempt to prevent Trump from running for office again in 2024. Why did they not use any such evidence?
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Don't we have laws protecting sexual abuse victims and their case details? Even a hundred Democratic congresspeople can't just magically override the law like that.
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Don't we have laws protecting sexual abuse victims and their case details?
Local, state, and federal prosecutors have access to such case details. As do investigators within the DoJ, state law enforcement, and local law enforcement .
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How do you think the Epstein files got "some" release with huge deliberate gaps in them. Trump is in them more than Jesus is in the Bible...
re Biden President Joe Biden could not legally or unilaterally order the Department of Justice (DOJ) to release all investigative files on Jeffrey Epstein due to active criminal investigations, ongoing court appeals (including Ghislaine Maxwell’s case, which continued thro
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The "justice Dept" is not a Trump persecution complex. Anyone with actual integrity left.
Again, the Democratic and Progressive Biden administration ran the DoJ for four years and had all the files. If there was something credible in there, they would have used it against him.
Trump is in them more than Jesus is in the Bible...
Not in the context of anything resembling evidence. He knew the guy, as described above.
President Joe Biden could not legally or unilaterally order the Department of Justice (DOJ) to release all investigative files on Jeffrey Epstein due to active criminal investigations, ongoing court appeals (including Ghislaine Maxwell’s case, which continued through 2025), and strict grand jury confidentiality rules
Nothing prevented the Biden administration from filing charges against Trump, had any evidence existed.
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Please explain how a 2007 tiff led to a 2004 break-up. And for the record, every account except Orange Daddy's describes that tiff as involving Epstein poaching the... uh... "enigmas" from Mar-a-Lago.
As for Maxwell... You don't find it just a wee bit curious she made that claim after an off-the-record meeting with Blanche? Immediately following which she - by complete coincidenc
Re:Projection (Score:4, Insightful)
Lets ignore the fact that the authenticity of the card has been questioned,
The authenticity of the card has been "questioned" only by the interested party, one Donald J. Trump, a convicted rapist.
Your kind usually discounts the empty talk of convicted sex offenders, why are you making an exception in this specific case?
the secret was?
You mean that the picture over which the comments were written of a prepubescent-looking female body is there by accident? Your lot pretended to disfavor the depiction of minors in sex acts in games and anime, why swallow it wholesale in this case?
dumb nutjob republican bozo and his willful ignorance again :)))
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Did you know you could spell your name without a b?
Update the prescription on your glasses and re-read. :-)
Your accounts are correct, but do not contain ALL of reality or context. You pedo defender.
What you read on a PizzaGate 2.0 website is not reality. If there were any real evidence it would be out, it would be impossible to hide.
Re: Projection (Score:2)
If Trump didn't rape children then he would be suing people for saying so like he does about every other criticism.
You're intelligent enough to string a couple of sentences together so you can obviously understand this, so you're equally obviously willfully promoting child rape.
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If Trump didn't rape children then he would be suing people for saying so like he does about every other criticism.
He sues credible people who have a platform. Not Pizza Gater 2.0 folks on an unknown website.
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He doesn't in fact do that, because many credible people with real platforms have accused him of raping children, ...
Such as? Where is this mysterious evidence you keep referring to? Why are all the democratic and progressive prosecuters and members of congress not doing anything?
Re: Projection (Score:5, Insightful)
Its hard to find what does not exist. If it existed there would be prosecutions.
Difficult to prosecute a dead guy.
Meanwhile they moved Ghislaine Maxwell to a minimum security prison. In fact they had to make special exceptions because people convicted of sex crimes aren't in minimum security. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/n... [pbs.org]
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Its hard to find what does not exist. If it existed there would be prosecutions.
Difficult to prosecute a dead guy.
Trump's not dead, he's the one being accused in this thread. No one is debating Epstein.
Meanwhile they moved Ghislaine Maxwell to a minimum security prison.
She's convicted. And in all those investigations that were apart of that, where is the evidence against Trump? Or where is the evidence from some other venue? Why is no democratic or progressive district attorney filing charges? Why is there no democratic or progressive member of the bringing forth the evidence? Or democratic or progressive member of the Senate?
Why is it no one other than Pizza Gate 2.0 folks making a
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Why would you expect some district attorney to file charges when they potentially have no jurisdiction, and the DoJ is illegally resisting release of the required evidence?
Do you even know how any of this works?
Re: Projection (Score:4, Insightful)
Your lie: "the administration of Biden went to extreme measures to prevent Trump from running from office in 2024".
Reality: The Biden campaign made a statement.
LOL. Dumber than a trump.
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1. DoJ has ~2.5 million documents that they have not released, which is a little under half of the total documents. There is known documents that should have been, according to the review of lawmakers.
2. DoJ has improperly redacted files that were released, shielding abusers while exposing victims.
3. DoJ would be in charge of prosecutions of any and all crimes as they would have jurisdiction.
How do you suppose that "if it existed there would be prosecutions" when it's simply easily observed reality that th
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1. DoJ has ~2.5 million documents that they have not released, which is a little under half of the total documents. There is known documents that should have been, according to the review of lawmakers. 2. DoJ has improperly redacted files that were released, shielding abusers while exposing victims. 3. DoJ would be in charge of prosecutions of any and all crimes as they would have jurisdiction.
The Democratic Progressive Biden administration's DoJ had the Epstein files for four years. An administration that went to extreme measures in an attempt to prevent Trump from running for office again in 2024. Why did they not use any existing evidence?
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Also "the DoJ does everything strictly by the book" part is another of your usual lies. The Super Intelligence comes to your rescue of your willful ignorance, dumbass republican nut bonkers.
Below is the chronological breakdown of major federal court rebukes against the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the administration's actions since the start of the second term on January 20, 2025.
Date Case / Policy Focus Brief Explanation of Judicial Rebuke
February 2025 State / Federal Grant Freezes A federal
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the United States Supreme Court told Biden he could legally have Trump shot by SEAL Team Six,
Wait, what?
When Trump's legal team were arguing in Trump v. United States that his attempts to overturn the 2020 election were legal, his lawyer was asked, by Judge Pan of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, "A president could sell pardons, could sell military secrets, could order SEAL Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Would such a president be subject to criminal prosecution if he's not impeached?"
In response, lawyer D. John Sauer, representing Trump, insisted that for any purported crime connected
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I have seen this before when debaters talk to people like you. It is cult behavior, and you are a cultist.
YOU MUST AQUIT! (Score:2)
YOU MUST AQUIT!
In other news (Score:3)
They are explicitly allowed to lie (Score:5, Interesting)
Even when not undercover, police are not just allowed to lie, they are encouraged to do so in training.
That's how you know they don't work for us.
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Your first sentence is true. But your second sentence isn't a logical conclusion drawn from the first.
Just because they lie, doesn't mean they "don't work for us."
The lesson being taught. (Score:3, Insightful)
Everyone does their level best to ensure the civilian world is well aware that cops are allowed to lie.
The real problem is addressing WHY the FUCK no one in law enforcement ever questions the practice.
Hell of a world we live in. Teach little Johnny to be a good honest boy to grow up to be a man with integrity, only to be introduced to the “professionals” who lie though their fucking teeth, in a society taught to respect first responders.
Law enforcement needs a lesson in accountability and integ
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That's an understatement. There is an on-going scandal in the UK known as "Spy Cops", where police were went undercover to infiltrate left wing groups. They didn't just infiltrate though, they started relationships with some of the members, even fathering multiple children. Management knew all about it.
So that's at a minimum rape. UK law doesn't allow you to sue for the creation of a child, but there is probably a good case for the psychological harm done to both the mother and the child.
anyone can be searched on entry (Score:2, Funny)
If you enter the country, you can be searched without a warrant. Not needing a warrant means they don't have to present a reason for the search to a judge (or anyone else). The lie is the legal equivalent of them saying "because". CSAM is the generic bogeyman excuse they'll give if they don't want the suspect to tip off and of his buddies.
Re: anyone can be searched on entry (Score:5, Informative)
Re:anyone can be searched on entry (Score:5, Interesting)
Being searched is not the same as taking lawful possession of something of yours. This has been analysed to death already, the DHS is very likely to lose this case as they rely on an obscure law that actually requires a very specific set of conditions to apply. A generic search of you or your possessions fails the criteria for lawful possession and therefor tampering with your stuff that is being searched doesn't fall afoul of this law.
Now if the department had a specific warrant detailing that they needed to take the device because it contained specific materials, that would be a different matter. But if they did have that then this case would be over already.
Re:anyone can be searched on entry (Score:4, Insightful)
Searched, yes.
Siezed, no.
And no law forces you to give up evidence against yourself without a warrant - in fact we even have a whole Constitutional amendment about that. If they want hair / blood samples, that requires a warrant. Why do you think that forcing someone to unlock their phone would not?
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Just an example, the government can get hair out of your trash can and run DNA from it without even probable cause.
True, but that's because when you put the trash on the curb, you are implicitly transferring ownership of it to the refuse hauling company. And they have no problem being answerable to a legal subpoena for evidence - it's their property at that point, and not yours.
This, of course, has absolutely nothing to do with someone who still owns the phone, and owns the password to unlock it, and doesn't want to give up evidence against himself - which is their constitutional right.
So, nice red herring.
What difference does it make? (Score:4, Insightful)
The answer should always be "Do you have a warrant?" followed by invoking your right not to answer any of their questions.
You may still be arrested even if you've done nothing wrong, but your attorney will have a much easier time getting charges dismissed (and filing suit against the authorities for civil rights violations) if you don't willingly give the authorities anything with which they might convict you.
Re:What difference does it make? (Score:4, Interesting)
Does it matter what the authorities claim to be looking for?
Yes, in fact it is critical to this specific case. They are accusing him of destroying %thing% during the process of taking lawful possession. To take lawful possession they must have evidence that they are looking for %thing% and that %thing% was likely on the device, and therefore %thing% was destroyed.
Now the issue here is %thing% is not generic, it has to be specific and related to evidence. They don't have that. This is good news because for once it seems lawyers will be the ones getting fucked, specifically DHS lawyers.
Re: What difference does it make? (Score:2)
"To take lawful possession they must have evidence that they are looking for %thing% and that %thing% was likely on the device"
The evidence is that he tricked them into wiping the device, which is destruction of evidence by US law whether you think it should be or not. His commission of a crime makes it look like he's hiding a crime. What he did was also obviously premeditated as he was set up for it.
Yes this is disgusting, but so is almost everything about CBP
Re: What difference does it make? (Score:4, Interesting)
assuming there was evidence to be destroyed to begin with - that phone could have been a complete blank phone. They don't know - it's fishing So the argument has to be they KNEW there was evidence that was destroyed. But how could they have known. Chicken and egg. This is a case of sour grapes.
Re: What difference does it make? (Score:5, Informative)
The evidence is that he tricked them into wiping the device
No you have a causality problem. It is entirely his device to wipe at his whim, unless the government was in the direct process of "taking lawful possession" of the data. And again for that they need to provide evidence that they they knew what they were looking for was on that device and that they had the authority to take possession (the lawful part) of the data.
It is very much legal to destroy evidence. In fact everyone who has smoked a joint has destroyed evidence. It is only illegal if that evidence is lawfully possessed or under the process of being lawfully possessed by the government. No one can jail you for taking a shit and then claiming you flushed drugs down the toilet. They need to prove both that you had drugs, that they had a warrant to search and take the drugs, and that you did in fact flush drugs.
His commission of a crime makes it look like he's hiding a crime.
Looking guilty is not a crime. Go read the 5th, 6th, and 14th amendment.
What he did was also obviously premeditated as he was set up for it.
This is the most interesting one, since there's no case law on this. But what did he do? He was asked for a code and gave one. He was not in possession of the device, he didn't type a code in. How is a distress password different from encrypt and lock-out after x failed attempts? These are all very interesting legal questions that haven't been answered. But one thing is clear, your statement does not support any outcome one way or the other.
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CBP doesn't have that. If you're a citi
You cannot destroy data, harmless or not ... (Score:4, Informative)
If you don't want the data to be seen by customs, don't carry it through customs.
Re:You cannot destroy data, harmless or not ... (Score:4, Insightful)
He didn't destroy the data though, the officer did when he blindly put in the code that was given to him. If they are serious about wanting to get into the phone, they should have cloned it first, and then worked off of the copy, and none of this would have been an issue.
This is sloppy work by customs.
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He didn't destroy the data though, the officer did when he blindly put in the code that was given to him. If they are serious about wanting to get into the phone, they should have cloned it first, and then worked off of the copy, and none of this would have been an issue.
This is sloppy work by customs.
Providing a "distress password" that leads to rendering the data unreadable would legally be considered destruction. The intent of providing the "distress password" remains destruction.
Re:You cannot destroy data, harmless or not ... (Score:4, Insightful)
Somebody needs to write an app that will accept a distress password and then selectively delete whatever it was he was trying to hide, then uninstall. Cops would have no idea it happened.
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Oh, did they have a warrant signed by a judge?
Illegal searches can be resisted.
Of course you risk being murdered for your rights.
Which appears to be the cost now.
They shouldn't want us to know that; bad chess.
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Oh, did they have a warrant signed by a judge?
"In United States criminal law, the border search exception is a doctrine that allows searches and seizures at international borders and their functional equivalent without a warrant or probable cause"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
"All travelers crossing the United States border are subject to CBP inspection. On rare occasions, CBP officers may search a traveler’s mobile phone, computer, camera, or other electronic devices during the inspection process."
https://www.cbp.gov/travel/cbp... [cbp.gov]
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Was the search initiated if the phone was still in his hands?
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Was the search initiated if the phone was still in his hands?
The search is initiated when you are informed of the search or instructed to provide the device and password.
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A password is considered "Testifying" against one's self. SCOTUS has ruled that biometrics are not. Therefore, ask for a lawyer and STFU and wait.
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A password is considered "Testifying" against one's self. SCOTUS has ruled that biometrics are not. Therefore, ask for a lawyer and STFU and wait.
He voluntarily provided a password. But it was a distress password that triggered a destruction of data. He acted with intent to destroy the data.
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Don't care what they claim it destroyed. It is a claim. They claimed to be looking for something that turned out to be manufactured. The police lied. After that, I don't care what happens to the phone.
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Don't care what they claim it destroyed. It is a claim. They claimed to be looking for something that turned out to be manufactured. The police lied. After that, I don't care what happens to the phone.
DHS did not lie to CPB, CPB was properly informed. CBP lied to the traveler, they are allowed to do that.
Re: You cannot destroy data, harmless or not ... (Score:2)
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You seem to have ignored the legal problem where if the search is not legal, there can be no crime with destroying the data.
The search was legal, from the summary:
"... an email sent from a Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) official, part of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), to CBP and other officials reads. "The following subject is scheduled to arrive in ATL [Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport] today via DL 1778 @ 1930 Hours. TUNICK is under investigation by HSI/JTTF for suspected terrorist activities." The email includes a photo of Tunick, and asks the officials to direct him to secondary inspectio
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Did they have a warrant signed by a judge ...]
"In United States criminal law, the border search exception is a doctrine that allows searches and seizures at international borders and their functional equivalent without a warrant or probable cause"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
"All travelers crossing the United States border are subject to CBP inspection. On rare occasions, CBP officers may search a traveler’s mobile phone, computer, camera, or other electronic devices during the inspection process."
https://www.cbp.gov/travel/cbp... [cbp.gov].
Re: You cannot destroy data, harmless or not ... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Once a search is initiated, you cannot destroy data. That data is legally considered evidence. Period.
When you use the phrase "Period." it helps to be correct. You are not correct. Doing a search is not the same as taking lawful possession. You absolutely may destroy things during a search, you may not do it in the process of taking lawful possession.
The law is incredibly clear and specific on that and there's a mountain of case law defining when something is or isn't an act of taking lawful possession, and a simple search isn't it.
If you don't want the data to be seen by customs, don't carry it through customs.
What data? Be specific, because specificity is required to trigger this obst
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The law is incredibly clear ...
You seem to be referring to moments other than crossing a border.
If a generic search is under way then by definition no one is attempting to take lawful possession and you're free to destroy whatever the fuck you like (and that's before we discuss who did the destroying).
You seem to be ignoring it was not a generic search.
""did knowingly destroy, damage, waste, dispose of, and otherwise take any action to delete the digital contents of a Google Pixel cellular phone, for the purpose of preventing and impairing the Government's lawful authority to take said property into its custody and control.""
Re: You cannot destroy data, harmless or not ... (Score:2)
Destroying any data you have reason to believe might be relevant in a court case is destroying evidence by US law whether you've even been notified that it is of interest or not.
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So every corporation is liable for obstruction now for following their own data retention policies?
Legal holds are a thing, for a reason. How can someone be held liable for obstruction when they were never notified not to destroy something, and just decided they wanted to wipe the device and start over from OEM? They can do what they like with their personal property, including wiping encryption keys UNLESS there is a subpoena for records / search warrant. THEN it becomes obstruction.
I'm not a lawyer, bu
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There are explicit exceptions to your 4th amendment right to search and seizure of your person and property at a border crossing:
-they can perform routine searches of everyone,
-they can perform non-routine searches of anyone with reasonable suspicion, and
-they can detain suspects for extended time periods while performing their inspections.
None of that addresses his 5th amendment right to have an attorney present during custodial questioning. There is no recognized border exception to the 5th Amendment.
His
Re:You cannot destroy data, harmless or not ... (Score:4)
Under the 5th amendment's protection, you are entitled to have an attorney present during any custodial questioning. If you are questioned without your attorney after clearly and unambiguously stating that you are invoking the right to have an attorney present, any responses you give are inadmissible.
His giving them the deletion-passcode would be inadmissible. They did not exist, for purposes of the law, and neither did anything resulting from them (fruit of the poison tree). He did not give them the deletion-passcode: because the conversation is inadmissible, it did not happen. Therefore no crime occurred.
That is the legal theory for his defense.
Lying (Score:5, Insightful)
Police are allowed to lie during an investigation.
This is the end of the conversation. All interactions ought to be considered suspect from the beginning.
"I don't consent. I want a lawyer. I invoke my rights to remain silent".
Then STFU. You don't have to say anything, or do anything other than provide ID. The contents of the phone are important, then it will go into a tamper resistant chain of custody bag and sealed. If they can crack it, great, then they'll have to answer for that if they didn't get court search warrant. Let your lawyer protect you. You have no chance by yourself. Hence STFU.
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Police are allowed to lie during an investigation.
Yes, they are, to certain extents. But what is silly about this is that there was no need to lie in the first place. It's not like saying they're looking for CSAM instead of terrorism would have a different result than just being honest, other than perhaps a feeling of extreme urgency to prove he didn't have any CSAM - which could be argued is illegal. Even though there are no warrants involved in this, it sounds like this would be on the same level as actually having the warrant but lying about what it say
So a bunch of people went to an anti ice protest (Score:2, Insightful)
None of them had anything to do with the shooting.
At this point if you oppose the administration and you make it known they can throw you in jail for the rest of your life and there is fuck all you can do about it. The only reason they aren't locking you up right now is because it's not worth the trouble.
Eventually if the Trump administration wins another election or two they won't need your vo
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Both of you are right, Trumpers are incels and grumpy old folks who feel heard by the troll... opposition are anti-fascists who think protest makes a difference, regardless of age. This isn't primarily an age divide, it's a historical awareness and social empathy divide.
Welcome to the wonderful world of selection bias (Score:2)
If you want to play games with demographics I'm game but you're not going to like the results.
Enough said. (Score:3)
DHS Lied ...
You can usually just stop here.
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Interesting... (Score:3)
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Do they have to prove this? Or just obstruction?
Of course, if there was no investigation (as DHS has said sometimes), then what was he obstructing?
Frankly, the idea that the government can search the phone of a citizen at the border is an abomination in what is supposedly a free society.
Judges have engaged is so much doublethink about borders. This was an airport, so how was he not already in the USA when the plan landed?
Not a lawyer, nor a US citizen (Score:2)
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The don’t tread on me folks are also strangely silent when masked armed federal agents are running around. Isn’t this what you’re warning us about? ICE even murdered a few white people and they still stayed silent. I guess they secretly like the tasty boots.
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Re: Where my 2nd amendment boys at (Score:2)
They're not silent on it. They expect you to arm and defend yourself. They yelled at everyone to do so for decades.
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I think who you and GP are looking for are the Black Panthers. They're still around and didn't take kindly to the ICE goon squad.
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They see the police as their allies in asserting the natural order.. they picture themselves as the treaders, not treated on.... curtailing their freedom to oppress others is tantamount to suggesting they are no better than a minority.
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What do you expect them to do? Shoot the police? Randy Weaver learned the hard way how that goes.
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If I need a gun to protect my liberty (as the gun folks claim they do) then what would you expect them to do with their guns?
Shooting the oppressors is the only purpose I can think of. Do they have another function that I'm not aware of?
Re: Where my 2nd amendment boys at (Score:2)
Once: shoot people
Now: hold it while they masturbate
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Join the protests along with the libertarians who also seem pretty quiet.
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I'm sorry but when I am told the 2A and all those guns are in case they need to go to war against a tyrannical government it was qualified with "as long as we don't have to shoot at cops"?
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I'm sorry but what unconstitutional measure was enacted against gun rights? The 2A is the law and thanks to Heller it's broader than anytime in US history. For a piece of paper those dastardly liberals sure seem to respect it more than the conservatives.
Also this rings exceptionally hollow when the 2A people voted the tyranny in which is kind of my point. Anyway, who did you vote for?
Bearing Arms (Score:3)
I hear this rhetoric from time to time. This is my first time clarifying.
The Second Amendment protects Americans' rights to bear arms, not Americans' rights to be personal bodyguards or vigilantes at your beck and call. The burden rests upon the offended American—in this ostensible case, you—to exercise those rights as you see fit.
Personally, I would be satisfied seeing DHS lose in a court of law, with legislation updated accordingly. If you choose to go out guns a-blazin', though, you have m
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The Second Amendment protects Americans' rights to bear arms, not Americans' rights to be personal bodyguards or vigilantes at your beck and call.
Hey that's all great and I agree, that's what it protects and that's all it protects.
So when gun control legislation is back on the table I don't want to hear shit about tyranny is all. You own lot's of guns because you like them and your own defense. That's it. I just want the revolution larp to end because that's all it is.
Sides of the Table (Score:2)
Thank you for understanding. Aren't you dismissing a number of recent events, though?
Apparently, [wikipedia.org] there are more—so the system seems to be working according to your implied criteria.
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Yeah poltiical [wikipedia.org] violence [pbs.org] is [wikipedia.org] bad! [wikipedia.org]
It's very bad for a democratic nation to have people doing violence because of politics. It's very bad to have people attacking political leaders and calling for violence against them. [abcnews.com] I sure wish we had, say, a President who didn't gleefully use it to his advantage, stoke division and hatred as much as possible, constantly turn up the temperature and never turn it down, only ever blaming his political opponents for all of it. I think that might help!
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>hurting brown people
This _probalby_ wont get through your confirmation bias filter, but if you look at who trump is giving _pardons_ to, i think the leading groups are:
> jews
> blacks
I don't think white Boomers (never mind white 2A supporters) even register.... with the possible exception of releasing some J6 prisoners.
A lot of the people you dislike, because of who they dislike, and who supported Trump, are pretty upset about all of the "pandering" Trump does to criminal blacks.
So if he's suppose
Re: Bearing Arms (Score:2)
"I don't think"
You should have stopped here before pretending he didn't pardon every single J6er. You only made it clear that you're a traitor.
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To be fair, they're anti-tyranny when the tyrant is doing things they don't like.
When they are aligned with the tyrant, NO PROBLEM TO SEE HERE.
If a Democrat tried any of this shit, there would be a shooting war in the streets from the "ammosexuals" getting all riled up against an overbearing government.
They are all hypocrites. Watch what happens after they lose the election.
The airport is a gun free zone (Score:2)
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So if a gun confiscation was passed as US Federal Law that's all okie dokies? You're all law abiding apparently.
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So if a gun confiscation was passed as US Federal Law that's all okie dokies? You're all law abiding apparently.
Its not OK but yeah, law abiding. Been there, done that. Registered, fingerprinted, FBI background checked, etc to be grandfathered and allowed to keep what I already had.
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I'm just asking as I've been told that's what the 2A is for.
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There are two things in play:
1. So many rules and laws, including the one being discussed about destroying "evidence", that any one of us breaks a law or rule without knowing it 100 times a day. That's dangerous becau