Russian Satellite's Close Shadowing of Radar Imaging Satellite Is a Big Deal (twz.com) 64
Longtime Slashdot reader schwit1 shares a report from TWZ: A Russian satellite, Kosmos 2612, may have passed within approximately 85 feet (26 meters) of a U.S.-registered satellite belonging to commercial imagery provider ICEYE. This would be an extraordinarily close and potentially dangerous pass-by for two objects in space traveling at thousands of miles per hour. For weeks beforehand, ICEYE-X36, which would be of special interest to Russia, had already found itself in increasingly close orbital alignment with its pursuer. The two satellites now look to be drifting further and further apart, but the episode has been a clear sign of what is to come as the potential for conflict in space only continues to grow.
Publicly available space tracking data from the satellitemap.space and orbitalradar.com websites show that Kosmos 2612 (also written sometimes Cosmos 2612 and abbreviated K2612) and ICEYE X36 had their especially close encounter at approximately 16:07 UTC today. Private space services company LeoLabs also told TWZ today that it could not "confirm or contradict what other data sources have stated publicly," but that it has "high-confidence that the objects came within approximately [emphasis in the original] 500 meters [1,640 feet] of each other." Kosmos 2612 had been making progressively closer passes by ICEYE X36 in recent days. "This is the most advanced and potentially dangerous uncooperative RPO we've observed," Adam Marsh, LeoLabs vice president for technical solutions, separately told Breaking Defense.
"It's important to note that 'red' on 'blue' engagements, such as this, are relatively uncommon in Low Earth Orbit (LEO)," LeoLabs' report points out. At the same time, "this was not a routine conjunction or 'fly by.' The sequence included a controlled approach, changes in relative position, close-proximity loitering, additional small maneuvers, and a controlled departure. The behavior is consistent with sophisticated rendezvous and proximity operations (RPO)."
"We can only speculate about the operation's goal, but it could have been anything from simply intimidation to outright destruction or sabotage of a U.S.-registered satellite," CSIS' Clayton Swope told TWZ. "Perhaps the operation is on hold. There are, however, several other satellites that shadowed ICEYE X36 back in May that could be brought in[to] action too."
Publicly available space tracking data from the satellitemap.space and orbitalradar.com websites show that Kosmos 2612 (also written sometimes Cosmos 2612 and abbreviated K2612) and ICEYE X36 had their especially close encounter at approximately 16:07 UTC today. Private space services company LeoLabs also told TWZ today that it could not "confirm or contradict what other data sources have stated publicly," but that it has "high-confidence that the objects came within approximately [emphasis in the original] 500 meters [1,640 feet] of each other." Kosmos 2612 had been making progressively closer passes by ICEYE X36 in recent days. "This is the most advanced and potentially dangerous uncooperative RPO we've observed," Adam Marsh, LeoLabs vice president for technical solutions, separately told Breaking Defense.
"It's important to note that 'red' on 'blue' engagements, such as this, are relatively uncommon in Low Earth Orbit (LEO)," LeoLabs' report points out. At the same time, "this was not a routine conjunction or 'fly by.' The sequence included a controlled approach, changes in relative position, close-proximity loitering, additional small maneuvers, and a controlled departure. The behavior is consistent with sophisticated rendezvous and proximity operations (RPO)."
"We can only speculate about the operation's goal, but it could have been anything from simply intimidation to outright destruction or sabotage of a U.S.-registered satellite," CSIS' Clayton Swope told TWZ. "Perhaps the operation is on hold. There are, however, several other satellites that shadowed ICEYE X36 back in May that could be brought in[to] action too."
Arms race escalation (Score:4, Interesting)
There are too many satellites in the constellation for Russia to shoot them all down one by one. If they feel threatened enough, Russia (or China, or even N Korea) may induce Kessler syndrome as a way to deny the capability to anyone, thus re-leveling the war field. North Korea is worried enough that they are trying to respond by building a submarine fleet.
It may be worth noting here that N Korea could just end the Korean war [bbc.com] and then they wouldn't have to worry, just focus on building their economy, but if evil dictators were rational they wouldn't be evil dictators.
May? (Score:4, Informative)
China had a practice run at this a few years back when it blew up a satellite with a surface launched missile and the Russians would try the same if they had any competence left in their military. As for NK - Kim is all puff and bluster. Without chinese support NK would just be another bankrupt banana republic dictatorship and any sign that little fat man is getting too big for his boots and Beijing will quickly slap him down. Right now he's a useful proxy stick to poke the USA and chinas neighbours with.
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They soon will be North Korea because South Koreans aren't breeding (I think they may have the lowest reproduction rate in the world now?) and Kim will be able to just walk over the border into an empty South Korea before long.
Not sure I'd want to live in North Korea, but I wouldn't want to live in South Korea either.
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And give pardons to the terrorists who attacked the Capitol in an attempt to overthrow the election, attacked police and put one in the hospital after he was repeatedly beaten and tasered, and destroyed and stole government property.
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Catch and convict the violent rioters cosplaying leftist protesters.
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A Chinese spy satellite blew up a couple weeks ago. Just before that the Chinese sent pictures of US bases in the Mideast to Iran who threw some missiles at them. The day after the satellite blew up Hegseth mentioned that the U.S. has anti-satellite technology.
Now these could all be unrelated events, or they might not be, take it as you will.
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The USA has aircraft launched anti satellite missiles since 20 or even 30 years.
You probably find a /. article about it here in the history.
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The thing that worries me is that now people/countries have an understandable incentive to intentionally induce Kessler syndrome.
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That would of course be annoying :D
We would need to span many many more fibers all over the oceans.
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China had a practice run at this a few years back when it blew up a satellite with a surface launched missile and the Russians would try the same if they had any competence left in their military.
Yeah, and the US Navy shot a missile from a Destroyer at sea that took out a satellite immediately afterwards. They shot from land, the US shot from the sea, considerably more difficult.
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There's a reason in school they teach you about a topic sentence and supporting sentences.
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1) Russia famously and openly put weapons in space repeatedly
2) Every space vehicle is a weapon
Re:Arms race escalation (Score:5, Insightful)
"The US is escalating"?
That's a rather specious viewpoint, isn't it? Or did you intend to lie by omission?
The Soviets/Russians have had space based weapons platforms in orbit since the 1960s
The Chinese have had weapons aloft for at least 10y.
Honestly, if the US *doesn't* have functional, effective orbital weapons already up there, they're fucking incompetent.
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The *exact* same idea with the *exact* same complaints from the Left, the UCS, all the progressive crybabies...can reasonably be seen as having ended the Soviet Union by ramming it financially into its own contradictions.
Is that ACTUALLY what you guys at the Paul Robeson bookstore are all still salty about? That the guys you insisted all along were the "good guys" turned out not to be?
Anyway, the idea that defense = escalation hasn't been a thing since MAD was largely abandoned in the 1990s. Welcome to th
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meaning Russia and China's nuclear arsenal is effectively useless
Russia's nuclear arsenal is already very close to being effectively useless. Not a chance they've been doing good stockpile stewardship while the entire rest of the armed forces (and its tyres) rots into the ground.
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Costly big deal (Score:5, Interesting)
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It was likely also a demonstration that they can destroy Western surveillance satellites any time they want to.
But yes, if they know how communication works they may be able to jam it instead. I've seen alleged satellite radar images of Crimea which show large areas with no usable data, presumably from jamming.
It is completely not a problem (Score:5, Insightful)
PROBLEM SOLVED!!
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Re:It is completely not a problem (Score:4, Funny)
Wasn't Stalin from Georgia?
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HUGE WIN!!
Re:It is completely not a problem (Score:4, Interesting)
This looks like it's the same bot as drnb.
Bending over for Russia only gets you raped. Which is a thing cowards love.
Re: Russia are the baddies you tool (Score:1)
Re: Russia are the baddies you tool (Score:5, Interesting)
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No, the US is not a saint, but we can't forget that their actions during and after WW2 definitely made them and their allies the "good guys", at least until the end of the cold war,
If you ignore the war profiteering, and sitting around watching "allies" get bombed, sure. The Nazis would not even have been able to be a significant problem without our fuel and metals.
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Don't forget all the money American banks lent to Nazi Germany before the war.
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and countries are still maneuvering to gain the best position, and that includes the US.
Are they? The US isn't, it's bending to the whims of an angry, stupid, corrupt and senile old man bent on getting as rich as possible. Needlessly burning allies doesn't put the US in a good position.
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drones? (Score:4, Interesting)
Could a satellite release a small drone during an RPO. Enough to attach and collect information or use as a beacon for a future targeting operation? Would it even be detectable if they did? Even a retroreflector would assist in guidance for a surface missile to hit a target in LEO at a later date. If so, is this a late stage test?
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It's not pedantry if it's science (Score:3)
Who else cringed by the statement "This would be an extraordinarily close and potentially dangerous pass-by for two objects in space traveling at thousands of miles per hour." ?
It does not matter how fact they are traveling. All that matters is the relative speed. There are no speed bumps, trucks, or rain to worry about. Why am I even bothering? I guess these are the same people who think that the vacuum of space will freeze you, or cause you to explode.
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I guess these are the same people who think that the vacuum of space will freeze you
Ummm, you will become "frozen" solid if your body is unprotected in space. No, you will not instantly freeze... but given enough time, your body will radiate heat until it is the same temperature as space itself... which is basically slightly over 0 Kelvin.
Or were you railing against the idea that a body will freeze as fast as if it were dropped into liquid nitrogen?
How is the Ukraine war going? (Score:2)
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Russia is powered by Zhukov spinning in his grave.
WWI came back.
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NATO turned what was originally intended to be a mostly peaceful show of force like the temporary invasion of Georgia into a war of attrition.
Remember WWI when the lines were pretty much static for years and then suddenly it was all over?
That's what's happening here. Russia has most of Donbas plus a buffer zone in some other regions that directly border Russia. Ukraine is throwing men at the front lines for Russia to kill but is running out. Territory held is largely irrelevant compared to the number of men
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In WW1 the aggressor lost.
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Hence the desperate calls for 'ceasefire' on the Western side because they know Ukraine can't last much longer.
i.e. Trump telling Ukraine to surrender.
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"NATO turned what was originally intended to be a mostly peaceful show of force like the temporary invasion of Georgia into a war of attrition."
That's a pretty wild assertion. Like did I totally mis-understand the movie Red Dawn ?!?
As a thought experiment, let's say the supposition above was correct? After being rebuffed in Kyiv, rather than demonstrating Russia could & would walk into Ukraine any time and call it a day. Putin pursued a bloody, multi-year ground war, and calculated attacks against c
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Ukraine is throwing men at the front lines for Russia to kill but is running out.
Sorry, Mr. Russian Bot, but I am pretty sure you have that backwards. These days, Russia is losing 8 soldiers for one of Ukraine's.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/... [csis.org]
It's only Trump who is calling for the ceasefire.
Re: How is the Ukraine war going? (Score:2)
Russia is using up its soldiers faster than Ukraine both by number and by percentage.
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I don't know if you're a russian bot or some deluded idiot, but it amuses me to do a breakdown of your post.
NATO turned what was originally intended to be a mostly peaceful show of force like the temporary invasion of Georgia into a war of attrition.
First of all the "peaceful show of force" "temporary" invasion of Georgia involved a few hundred dead in the first two days [wikipedia.org], and another 5000+ civilians killed [wikipedia.org] in the ethnic cleansing after that, all for a land-grab to seize control of territory covering half of