Firefox's New Mini Window Is Every Multitasker's Dream (zdnet.com) 51
Mozilla is testing a new Firefox Nightly feature called Mini Window that lets users pop an entire webpage into a small, always-on-top window stripped of most browser controls. "The idea behind the Firefox Mini Window feature is simple: allow users to move a currently open tab (or a section of a tab) into a separate mini window," writes ZDNet's Jack Wallen. "Think of it as moving a tab from one window to what appears like a web app." From the report: At first blush, there's no address bar, controls, scroll bar, or anything else that would normally be associated with Firefox. The Mini Window appears to be a web app, without having to actually create it. However, when I hover my cursor inside the Mini Window, I do see the address bar, the back/forward/reload buttons, and the window close button -- and that's it. The browser gets out of your way, so the only thing I see is the content.
On top of that (pun intended), the Mini Window stays on top of other Firefox windows, so I can have that popped-out content always in focus while I work on other things. This feature comes in handy when I'm working with limited display space (say, on a laptop) and need to reference a page while working on another. For multitasking, it comes in very handy. [...] Let's say I'm writing a paper on Linux and need to read a particular article for background information. I could have my document open in the main window, and then open the article in question in a Mini Window. I could then reference the article without having to click back and forth between them -- even when working on a smaller display.
Here's another use case I've found: When using MacOS's Stage Manager feature, I only have one window available at a time. The Mini Window bypasses that limitation, so I can have my main browser window focused as well as the page open in the Mini Window. Another handy way I like to use Mini Window is to open a favorite search engine, move it to a Mini Window, and then I have an always-ready search tool at my fingertips. I could also open my favorite AI service and use it in the same way.
On top of that (pun intended), the Mini Window stays on top of other Firefox windows, so I can have that popped-out content always in focus while I work on other things. This feature comes in handy when I'm working with limited display space (say, on a laptop) and need to reference a page while working on another. For multitasking, it comes in very handy. [...] Let's say I'm writing a paper on Linux and need to read a particular article for background information. I could have my document open in the main window, and then open the article in question in a Mini Window. I could then reference the article without having to click back and forth between them -- even when working on a smaller display.
Here's another use case I've found: When using MacOS's Stage Manager feature, I only have one window available at a time. The Mini Window bypasses that limitation, so I can have my main browser window focused as well as the page open in the Mini Window. Another handy way I like to use Mini Window is to open a favorite search engine, move it to a Mini Window, and then I have an always-ready search tool at my fingertips. I could also open my favorite AI service and use it in the same way.
I will call him Mini-Me (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Reinstate Brendan Eich NOW!!! (Score:5, Interesting)
Brave browser steals advertiser's tokens and inserts its own, to bring money to the organisation. It was hijacking links, and inserting its own affiliate codes .
"When you try to sell the webbrowser as a champion of integrity, this type of action makes the whole company look like a bunch of greedy knob heads."
"Honestly brave always seemed to be a crypto scheme first, web browser second. I only know of it from redditors who would post marketing esque essays about how great it is on random tech posts. Every one of them I discovered had invested in a crypto it's connected to "
Eich? No thanks.
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I thought that was PayPal/Honey's shtick [corepay.net]...
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Or fix the bug in the History menu for recovering recent tabs. (But perhaps that was a transient failure overlooked in the regression testing?)
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"like the ones Firefox allows websites to create where I want them to or not"
Don't you get the "Pop-up blocked" banner at the top? I sometimes don't see it and wonder why a link or download is not working.
In my experience Firefox is zealous at blocking popups.
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They're not pop-ups. They're overlays. ABC and Yahoo both have them for videos.
Essentially, they are the same window that Firefox will implement.
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What is the use case? Neither ZDNet nor Mozilla seem to know.
Watching videos while browsing another site? I think I'd rather use my phone as a second screen if I'm going to do that.
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Next, they'll bring back Bonzai Buddy.
Interesting (Score:2)
What I tend to do is drag a tab and drop it on the other 1/2 or 1/4 of the screen whilst I keep my main tab on the first tab. Doing this more surgically, like in the video looks interesting for specific cases, not sure if I'd go our of my way to select the exact bit that needs to be shown when I can get that already by throwing a tab to the side already.
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Maybe this could grow into something akin to a "print-friendly view" or a "mobile-friendly view" - where a special style is applied to the page to adapt it to a specific situation. Imagine that we have a new option like the ones before, call it "widget view" - where the page is shrunk to its essence. For a music streaming site, the essence could be "pause/resume, prev, next", etc. For a stock market site, it could be a specific ticker of an ETF or a share, etc. For a social media site - it could be the reac
Well, to each his/her own (Score:2)
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I have been using ScreenFloat (and similar tooling) for decades; those are more useful than this because it works on every application and not just the browser.
It's quite possible I am missing something from their demo, but based on what they show: 1) it's just for Firefox; and, 2) it's really kind of a pain in the ass to use.
Reminds me of disabling raise on click (Score:2)
My preference on Linux is disabling raise in click and sloppy focus. You get something more powerful that what it see here. For all of the features macOS assimilated, this is the feature I most want. The feature on Firefox is a bandaid.
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Re: Reminds me of disabling raise on click (Score:2, Insightful)
I sometimes flick my mouse cursor out of the way and don't want to worry about where it lands. I used to use sloppy focus but eventually went to click.
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Re:Reminds me of disabling raise on click (Score:5, Insightful)
I often have multiple programs partially overlapping, and dragging the cursor from side to side raises the middle app(s) when that's not where I'm going. I find that distracting and annoying.
It may be my ADHD. There are several other newer UI features that I detest and spend stupid amounts of time figuring out how to squelch. "Smooth" scrolling? To me it's just the opposite - I call it jerky scrolling, and it drives me nuts. I kill that fucker wherever I can.
Then there are scrollbars that are pencil-line-thin until the cursor hits them; at which point they widen to Sharpie-line thin, which is still too narrow to be usable. Give me a scrollbar wide enough to grab, with steppers, then leave it the fuck alone so I don't have to play whac-a-mole to use it. Ditto for window controls.
I have nine different text files describing how to get the UI (mostly) the way I want it, in a folder called Fix_UI_Fuckery. Not that I'm fussy or anything...
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For years I used fvwm and reprogrammed the UI as follows:
1) remove all the window decorations.
2) program the extra two mouse side buttons to either move or resize the window under the pointer. Unlike decorated windows, there's no need to target the narrow frame, you can just stretch the window from the center, or grab and move it from anywhere inside.
3) focus follows mouse. If I really want to I can raise the window with a key.
4) Hotkey to open a terminal. Terminal appears under the mouse, ready to be
Re:Reminds me of disabling raise on click (Score:5, Insightful)
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh I despise narrow scrollbars. This is one of the many sins of modern Firefox I've had to fix again and again. Every time I fix it, they break the fix or even undo my settings within a few months.
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Then there are scrollbars that are pencil-line-thin until the cursor hits them; at which point they widen to Sharpie-line thin, which is still too narrow to be usable. Give me a scrollbar wide enough to grab, with steppers, then leave it the fuck alone so I don't have to play whac-a-mole to use it. Ditto for window controls.
I agree 100%, this sucks.... Unless I am on a low-resolution screen (for whatever reason). Then it's great for the UI stuff to be hidden so I have more room for whatever I am actually looking at or reading. But, as stabiesoft said, that's why Linux is great, we can adjust it to suit.
I have nine different text files describing how to get the UI (mostly) the way I want it, in a folder called Fix_UI_Fuckery. Not that I'm fussy or anything...
I don't think it's fussy. Ergonomics are important, and ergonomics is not just about buying really expensive office furniture or an ostentatious keyboard. I might add a similar folder to my /home directory for next time. I just
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Android keeps moving settings around, hiding them, or removing my ability to change things at all.
That's why on my new-to-me Pixel 7a I have LineageOS 21 - already quite old - and will probably never update it. I don't keep a lot of stuff on my phone anyway because I do real work only on my laptop; so security isn't as much of a issue for me as it is for most phone users. With various programs available on F-Droid and - irony of ironies - a LOT of help from Google AI, I'm getting rid of some of Google's shitty UI and aesthetic choices. There's still stuff I can't fix, but at least the phone is now usabl
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That's why on my new-to-me Pixel 7a I have LineageOS 21 - already quite old - and will probably never update it.
Thanks for the info. It looks like LineageOS is supported on my Zinwa Q25 (proper qwerty keyboard! SD card! Headphone jack!) so I really should give it a try. My bank insists that I install their stupid app, but apart from that I don't need much else besides a web browser and Organic Maps.
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Best of luck with the bank app - I hope that works out for you.
Before you start the process, do lots of research with your specific phone in mind. Phones other than major ones such as Pixel, Samsung, and Motorola may have limited support on forums simply because fewer people use them.
Bricking a phone is a real possibility - I did it once - so be careful. The recent LineageOS install I did on a Pixel 7a was made hugely easier with help from Google AI, of all things. As always you have to take what it says wi
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Maybe it's a difference in how we work. I tend to have a lot of overlapping windows floating aro
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A true multitask doesn't have overlapping windows. (Score:2)
Dream Bigger!
Window management? (Score:1)
So this is for people who don't understand how to use their native window manager to split-screen two windows and that also don't know about alt-tab? So, uh, all three firefox users in that situation might appreciate it I guess. Oh wait, no they won't, since they won't ever know about it.
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Having a bunch of tiny Firefox windows tiled across my screen wastes a lot of useful space if each one has to have its own toolbar. Alt+tab works, but having everything in sight at the same time might be more intuitive more intuitive.
I could see use cases where this might be handy but severely crippled if you cannot disable the always-on-top behavior, or if the OS cannot tile the windows like everything else.
Personally I just map my screenshot application to F11 and leave snapshots of things open till I no
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I guess that's true, but for exactly two windows on a reasonably large, widescreen display, there's *plenty* of real-estate for two firefox (or whatever application) windows. A second screen is sometimes better, but sometimes I don't want the other thing on a different screen, I want two windows, each half-screen, which (in most popular WMs) is: drag one window to the left edge: boom, one half screen window. Drag another to the right edge: boom, two half screen windows. I still don't understand how this
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Vivaldi solved this years ago by a pseudo-fullscreen. You hit ctrl-F11 (I think) and it hides all toolbars but keeps the window decoration and window size.
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So this is for people who don't understand how to use their native window manager to split-screen two windows and that also don't know about alt-tab?
Exactly my first thought when I read this, too. "Let's include a window-manager in our application, because the user cannot be bothered to know he already has one running." - just crazy.
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Why would you split the screen in two if the content isn't sized such that splitting the screen in two would make sense? Why would you want to waste space on a task bar when not needed? Why does none of this have the benefit of an always on top window that actually allows you to maximise space by overlaying content onto dead space of other windows?
Yeah I'm sure you there's people who don't understand window management here, you can find one staring at you in the mirror.
split-screen is better (Score:2)
Why is this better than a browser tab, the recently-added split-screen in browser, or a GUI second desktop? This is a substitute for a second desktop, or a second browser: Put the required page into the pop-out, then switch from the browser to another application, while keeping the pop-out visible.
With most work being done in a browser, including Microsoft Office, a pop-out tool is too little, too late for many workflows. (Office Help i
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A videocall window can pop out while you go hunting for a different tab. That's the usecase I see.
tbh I feel most workflows involving the browser suck really bad, from email to code review. And all that comes from having a single "presentation layer" - no windows.
Overlapping content (Score:4, Interesting)
Arrrgh... I hate this continued trend of overlapping UI controls over the content. In the screenshots from the article, you can clearly see the minimize and close gadgets rendered on the page content, and not on a separate menu bar. Even if it appears/disappears on rollover, it's incredibly annoying.
And don't get me started on controls that disappear when they are not in focus. This kind of "magic" behavior destroys usability. I HATE it when scroll bars disappear or change in scale, and when they do appear, they overlap the content. It defeats the whole point of having them there in the first place.
Good UI designers don't do crap like this. We've understood stuff like this since the 80's, when screen real estate genuinely was precious. There's no excuse to do this kind of crap today, even on a tablet. It's just artists showing off, as usual.
Reinventing the wheel? (Score:2)
Arg (Score:1)
Can't you just snap your ref window to the edge? (Score:2)
If I needed to do this, I'd drag one tab to the RHS to snap it to the right half of the screen, and drag the other tab to the LHS to snap it to the left half of the screen, then write things up. On OSX, I have Magnet installed, so it would be C-O-left or C-O-right, but same basic idea (Magnet can do the drag-snap, but I find it interacts poorly with virtual desktops).
Obviously brilliant (Score:2)
Still not using mozilla (Score:2)
This is cool I guess, but why don't windowing systems outside of the Linux desktops support anything but the basic stack of windows? I used to use Fluxbox or other systems where you could do a lot more than what Mac OS or Windows allow. I could interact with any window on any layer without changing which window is on top of the others. etc etc. I think it's silly this is not built into every windowing system. Maybe not for EVERYBODY, but there should be more options.
Long awaited (Score:2)
As a GenXer, I detest video content, especially these new long-winded (for monetization purposes) "short" formats. Unfortunately that is all we get sometimes.
I hope I can use this to have the video playing in a corner, at x1.5 or x2.0 speed, while I do some further reading, so as not to fall asleep while watching the video alone.
I guess I should get around to play a bit more with LLMs to extract the main points and give me an executive summary.