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K7 to exist in socket variety by 2000 39

Posted by sengan from the wating-of-one-of-these dept.
EB News is reporting that the K7 should be out by the end of June, featuring a 512Kb or 1Mb L2 cache. In 2000 it should exist in a socket variety, hinting that a lower cost version may become sooner than later.
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  • I'm guessing they're an attractive teal shade, myself.

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  • the celeron's cache speed is at 1/2 the CPU, not at 1/1 (as you say).
    Nope, the Celeron has 128 kB of cache on-die, running at the processor's speed.
    1/2 cache/cpu speed ratio compared to 1/1 isn't as big a difference as you might think.
    It's more than enough to make the AMD K6-3 with 256 kB of on-die cache the clear winner [anandtech.com] when compared with Intel's 1/2 speed cache chips.
  • Posted by modefan:


    AMD going to release a K7 at 1/3-1/2 the speed of the CPU? They better have 600+ mhz machines out ASAP, otherwise they'll still be playing catchup. I have used AMD chips for a while, but when it comes to playing FPS, then AMD don't cut da mustard.

    The Celeron processor sounds like it could still kick K7 in the jock strap. With a full speed cache (albeit 128k), it can really rock when it comes down to games and such.

    But all of that is within the i386 thinking, not the x86 thinking. If AMD finally engineers an awesome chip so that the cache's speed isn't as important as the size, then you'll see me getting in line for a K7.

    Lastly, what's up with the socket re-revolution? Intel said "no more socket". Now we've got celery coming out on socket. AMD stated that socket would last until 2000, now they plan to extend that support.

    Drop the socket for all its worth and go slot. If you made enough slot instead of socket, then it would be cheaper =)

    Legacy has go to die sometime.
  • Posted by modefan:


    lookup Intel's developer information for the Celeron and you'll be schooled. check your facts before you post.

    celeron 128k cache is running on a 1/1 ratio with the cpu.. meaning that the kicks more ass than ike turner on smack (from billy at ve3d).. the celeron is like a mini xeon..

    schooled on /.
    how pathetic.

  • Posted by Mephie:

    BZZT! Ok, since bus speed is 200mHz, that means cache is running that fast, or you've got a bottle neck there. So,that means 200mHZ is the 1/2 or 1/3rd, and bus speeds should be 400-600.
    The Celery may the K7 on cache, but the K7's FPU's are going to be ungodly.
    That's why I'm building a quad.
    --Mephie
  • Posted by Mephie:

    And is the III in the name it's SMP limit like the P-II ?
    --Mephie

  • No (Score:1)

    by six ( 1673 )
    K7 is by no means Super7 compliant. It uses the alpha EV6 bus protocol and needs a new chipset.

    I think we'll see a "Socket A" soon !
  • Very Good news. I'm looking forward to getting this processor.
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  • The Celeron processor sounds like it could still kick K7 in the jock strap. With a full speed cache (albeit 128k), it can really rock when it comes down to games and such.

    Wrong!

    The K7 has a 128K full speed L1 cache. Put that on top of a moderately fast L2 and you have a screamer. Imagine a PII with a Celeron core, but better.

  • Yesterday Tom of Toms Hardware [tomshardware.com] had a little editorial and he ranted a bit about AMD's problem getting the K6-3 out the door. Pretty interesting.

    Even more interesting was something a saw a while ago about AMD development. It seems the people working on the K7 are not the same people who worked on the K6. The K6 was developed by the NexGen guys AMD bought out. However, the NexGen guys have already moved on and are working on what will presumably be called the K8. Of course that will be competing in the Merced world, god only knows what that will be like.

  • The K7 will not launch at 30% of the cost of the equivalent Intel chip like AMD usually does, but it will be somewhere around 800 dollars, or so I've heard. That is still far better then a Xeon is now, and what a Xeon will be in 6 months. Shure it isn't launching at under 400 bucks as AMD usually does, but it is going to be one hell of a chip. Needless to say I want to have a dual/quad K7 system just for the hell of it.
  • Intel also had to fab the cache memory for the Xeon chips, and their facilities are not setup to manufacture cache efficiently. Previous chips/mobo's farm the cache memory production to small Asian companies that merely make cache.
  • The K7's FPU is supposed to absolutely stomp intel's. It is supposedly able to execute 3 instructions per clock cycle, not to mention the 3DNow support. From what I've read so far, this will be AMD's best FPU ever, and the best X86 FPU we have seen. Now it stands to reason to take into consideration the fact that 3DNow support might fade with katmai on the horizon, but the fact that developers are using it now, with katmai 2 months away says that we might have both of these technologies simultaneously on the market. And of course the K7's integer performance will just completely smoke. then there is the 200mhz FSB. Think about that for compiling, 1.6GB/sec pipe to your 1GB+ of RAM, oh did they mention SMP support. This is major drool factor here folks.
  • I've been reading about sharptooth for 6 months and can't wait for it to come out. Intel better watch out lots more L1 cache and AMD says they will release K7's with up to 8 megs of L2!!
    The K7 will also be a 64 bit processor and have a 200 MHz front side bus! Also plan for clock speeds up to 1 GHz!
    This is the great stuff you get when Dirk is making your processors
  • That is what the article was saying... Socket7 by 2000 for the K7
  • for them to stuff the K7 into super socket7 MBs?

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  • Look for the dark horse to come into the picture and make both pentium III and K7 irrelevant.


    I'm referring of course, to the transmeta apocalypse. =)

  • Look what happened to CHRP and the PowerPC.
    M$ killed NT 5.0 for PowerPC and it died.

  • Did Intel give up on Slot 1 finally?

    Everybody seems to be saying that the K7 is going to Alpha's bus and board architecture. I'm not up enough on this kind of thing to be able to say much about that, but it seems like a good idea since the Alpha runs in the range that x86 style processors are now starting to reach.

    Why would anybody want Socket 7 anyway? It mostly seemed to me that Socket 7 was what the K6 did because Intel locked them out of the Slot 1 market. If they've found a nice new bus architecture that works better and supports PCI, I say go for it.

    Is anybody interesting in explaining the differences between EV6 (Alpha's bus?) and Slot 1? Is the question even relevant anymore?

  • Does anyone know of anyone who makes EV6 motherboards other than DEC? I'd love a cheap K7, but if the motherboard is going to drain me, forget it!
  • I've been waiting for the K7 since the K6-2 came out, now lets all hope that AMD will stick to their normal practice of setting the pricepoint below Intel's, and there will be much rejoicing.

    flirzan
  • Intel's "no more socket" talk was all marketing BS. If you look at a Celeron 266, 300, 300A, or 333 you'll see that the PCB is virtually empty. The point of the PCB was for the P-II cache which is now gone or on chip so get rid of it and put the CPU back in a socket. The packaging is much cheaper. If they made more slot instead of socket they'd just make less money.

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