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Mozilla "beta" Release Coming 138

Posted by CmdrTaco from the just-in-time-for-EBN dept.
Bruno Barreyra writes "I was checking out mozilla.org just for kicks and I found out that they are closing in a so-called "M3 Milestone." There was a feature freeze last Sunday and right now they are working at minimizing bugs for a distributed release. The M3 release will "provide enough basic functionality in place to allow everyone working on the product to use apprunner for their daily browsing and mail." "
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  • Please Support Mozilla (Score:4)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 20, 1999 @08:32AM (#1971059)
    Mozilla is turning out to be something wonderful for the entire open source and otherwise community... PLEASE show your support by getting the nightly binaries and reporting all the bugs you find...

    Although Mozilla has taken a long long time to product results, remember everyone's starting from scratch with an entirely new layout engine that will knock your socks off...

    Just WAIT till you see what you can do with a COMPLETE implementation of CSS1 and XML and all the other toys that Internet Exbloater 5 STILL doesn't do correctly!

    Please support this project folks! They really really need bugtesters and supporters and developer help and some press and some old fashioned rah-rah-going...

    This is an ENTIRELY open source effort with a very fair license, and AOL/Netscape is VERY GRACIOUSLY donating more than 100 developers to this effort...

    Tired of Netscape 4.0 or 4.5 crashing every five minutes or eating up all your resources? You've got an option now along with Opera and Lynx that is truly world-class coding...

    PLEASE SUPPORT MOZILLA IF YOU CAN!

    Thanks

    :)

  • Please Support Mozilla (Score:4)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 20, 1999 @09:05AM (#1971060)
    Slashdot lost my original post, so I'll keep this one short...

    SUPPORT MOZILLA PLEASE!

    This is a wonderful opportunity to help create a modular, extensible, flexible, resource-efficient web browser that incorporates all current open web standards, standards which Internet Exbloater 5 is still lacking in...

    AOL/Netscape has graciously donated 100 developers to this effort, and they have done almost 80% of the work. If we want future open source projects of this magnitude to happen again, we need to support www.mozilla.org NOW!

    Visit the website, read some newsgroups, and get involved!

    The Unix builds are a few days behind the Win32 builds, but they're rapidly getting there in terms of feature parity and DEBUGGING HELP IS NEEDED!

    ESPECIALLY the Linux builds...

    The underlying architecture is almost complete; once you see what Mozilla can do (go see some of the w3c.org CSS1 tests, or the mozilla.org XML/CSS tests!!) you will be blown away at the power of the internet...

    It's up to us to make Mozilla a success folks, and technically, there is not a reason in the WORLD to not support such a project...

    Get involved please!

    P.S.

    Mozilla just hit 1 million lines of code and is rapidly nearing completion.

    Netscape 4.x required 5 million lines of code.
  • You have a point, especially because you can only run one instance per user on the linux version (if you want to use the cache anyway). On linux there is a method for programs to tell netscape to utilize an already open window to display a link (Licq does this for ICQ'd URLs).

    Also, something to realize is that different people have different browsing styles. I follow links by opening them in new windows so that I can check them later and they don't interrupt what I'm currently reading. In linux I can just middle-click the links, but this doesn't work in windows (possible because I use Emulate3Buttons for my two button mouse). It takes too much effort to right-click and hit open in new window. My streamlined browsing becomes clunky, compounded by the fact that IE doesn't even open new windows fullscreen.

    Laters,

    Rick (rick at chillin dot org)
  • It works fine here. Slashdot renders flawlessly.

    I'm using win95 OSR2. What OS are you using? Supposedly it will be identical for all OSs when it's released, but I suppose the various ports may be at slightly different points of the development cycle right now...
  • Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:

    1) The Linux port doesn't run. Period. I've RTFM'd every damn thing in sight and nothin'. Just "can't load library" messages. Yes, I set LD_LIBRARY_PATH or whatever it was.

    2) The Mac nightly build is actually just a bunch of C header files. Where's the Mac (68k) executable?
  • Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:

    Or are you talking about PPC? I need the 68k binary(ies).
  • Posted by Tony Smolar:

    How will the Unix versions be built? Are they sticking with Blotif? I thought I heard them talking about using GTK awhile ago.
  • Posted by Surzer:

    Teach yourself C++
  • Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:

    I dl'd twice but both times gunzip said "unexpected end of file". What up?
  • The one thing I cant stand about ANY of the current browsers is when I open up a new browser,it pops up a completely new window. Why? I think the guys designing mnemonic got this one right. They use a "notebook" widget at the very bottom of the browser where you can tab through all the different sites. Check out for an example of what I am talking about. Does anyone know if this functionality is being added to mozilla? _Underflow
  • http://www.pvv.org/~randhol/mnemonic/ is the correct link. Sorry
  • 1) my gtkstep theme makes it segfault; then
    2) unthemed, it launches but can't figure anything
    out about its environment and just sits there.

    D'oh. Maybe I'd better wait until M3 to try again.

    (yeah, I built the NSPR libs from the latest snapshot)

  • GTK+ 1.2 (Score:1)

    by jabbo ( 860 )
    It's been that way for a while (using the GTK+ 1.1/1.2 series for Seamonkey).

  • They must be statically linking libs.

    TedC

  • Is it just me, or does the term "beta" seem vaguely inappropriate for open source projects?

    "Feature freeze" and "stable snapshot" carry more meaning: "beta" is a _marketing_ term, used, I think, to make the public think that an overdue product is close to release. How long has WinNT 5 been in "beta" now? About as long as I've been reading "reviews" of this OS, I'll wager.

    I don't feel any compelling need to come up with new terms to replace "alpha" and "beta"-- the phrases above work well enough for me-- but it's something to think about. Maybe Perens and Raymond could come up with competing terms. That would be fun :).
  • A ".bin" file extension on a file known to be a Mac file signifies that it's been encoded into MacBinary format. This is necessary because most filesystems can't handle the dual nature of Mac files, and the resource fork gets destroyed (this is a Very Bad Thing for applications, though for most data files like graphics, text, and MP3's it is no big deal). The MacBinary format combines the two forks so that it can safely be stored on a non-Mac computer without having to worry about the application's integrity. This is, by the way, why the gzip format will never take very much of a hold on the Mac platform (outside of emulation, where it is popular to gzip a ROM file to save space); that format can only handle one file so it can't handle resource forks at all.

    Anyway, there are indeed two Mac files in the build directory: mozilla-mac.sea.bin and mozilla-mac-headers.sea.bin. Gee, I wonder which one contains C++ headers? Gee, I wonder which one contains the application?

    Come to think of it, I really do wonder why they put the headers in their own file; they're not even needed to run Mozilla and they don't seem to do this for any other platform...
  • Ever since freshmeat changed their design, the homepage causes an instant browser crash on two of my PC's, this one (Netscape 4.5, RedHat 5.2) and mine at work (Netscape 4.5, mutilated RedHat 5.0...)

    At least Mozilla's getting better. One of these days I might get to look at freshmeat again. :)
  • The menu is in the wrong place (bottom) and it's really really slow, but other than that it renders everything perfectly!
  • I would check your environment variables again on the Linux side. Run the command 'env'. Once I set my LD_LIBRARY_PATH to the directory with all the .so libs, it started up fine, although seg-faulted after running for 2 seconds :(

    There ware 2 mac executables in the directory I snagged my linux binary from, as well as the mac headers. Search their site a little more.
  • I just CVS'ed a copy on 3/21 morning, compiled it, and it's working fine for me in Red Hat Linux 5.2 with kernel 2.2.3-ac1 and gtkstep 1.5. I don't know what's wrong with your build, but so far mine hasn't crashed (only been running it for a few minute though), it can render Slashdot and Freshmeat fine (except forms sometimes get put way in the wrong place), microsoft.com looks beatiful in it, and it's snappy.

    Try again... ;-)

    (PS: I'd post this from within Mozilla, but the submit buttons in Mozilla don't seem to do anything at this point).
  • I wouldn't say that stripping out the comments makes for a more "accurate" line count. The fact is that source code with comments takes longer to write and is worth more than the corresponding commentless source.
    --
  • take ActiveX off of the list, its dangerous crap and should never have been created or should be used, the security hazard of it is beyond limit.

    Anyone who even speaks that name should be nailed to a wall, and his rights to use a computer revoked.
  • fine, live in a cave with a browser nobody knows about and let MS take over the web virtually unchallenged. Kill mozilla and MS _will_ be the only option
  • well windows in general sux and msie isn't even available on _real_ operating systems. That's another reason to ignore ie5
  • it's all about the long term. And you're right about the cross-platform stuff too. MSIE doesn't run on the operating systems of the future (linux, BeOS, java AOL platform,etc)

  • Hmmm... (Score:1)

    by tilly ( 7530 )
    The original post WAS moderated to -1. It now seems to be up to +2. Apparently moderators have been busily disagreeing with each other. :-)

    The "down one" link at the top of the page is how I find posts that have been moderated away. Generally there is no point hitting it since most of the posts moderated down really did deserve it. Now what I would like is a way to know, before I click on a sub-discussion, what the moderators think of it. Something a little finer grained than, "Nobody nuked it yet!" :-)

    Regards,
    Ben

    PS Is 4 the record? I haven't seen any higher than that, not that I have been looking.
  • Why is the linux binary so much larger than the win32 binary and for that matter I noticed that the win32 binary went from 2.0MB to 2.5MB in just one day.

    -Steve
  • They are; That's why I think it's so odd that the binary size is so different.

    -Steve
  • They are; That's why I think it's so odd that the binary sizes are so different.

    -Steve
  • Yes, that was my first thought. But doesn't the idea of statically linking libs that are included by default in Windows strike you as odd? I should mention that the download includes lot's of libs. Perhaps some of the libs implement windows calls. But which ones? It just seems strange.

    -Steve
  • M3 is not a beta. Its just a development milestone. They have no intention of creating something that can be used without knowledge about known bugs and problems.
  • IE5's CSS support sucks very badly. Mozilla already has better support. Same for DOM support.
  • Superficial bugs are often the last things to get fixed. The development team has more important things to do than bow and scrape to you.
  • A little over a week ago, the nightly builds were pretty awful, crashing on Win32 after loading a couple of pages, if that. And the new XPFE widgets(?) just plain didn't work right. From the looks of it, you'd have to conclude the Mozilla project was farther from release code than when it started.

    However, the builds of the last couple of days have been eye-openers. If it's not exactly stable, it is running for extended periods of time on my machines and doing better at rendering bad HTML (compliant HTML was never a problem, of course, but what mainstream website is compliant?).

    And the new widget stuff is looking snappy, if incomplete. And the whole thing renders about as quickly as IE5, even with all the debug code in place. Something good is going to come of this after all. Eventually.

    Given that NS5 is going to hit the mainstream some 6 months after IE5, the two things that work in Mozilla's favor in the long term are
    1. The common codebase and cross-platform consistency. This is what has kept Netscape in the running since IE4 hit. As business apps get built to run in browsers, it's the most-standard browser that wins, not necessarily the best-featured one. As the Linux phenomenon begins to make inroads on the desktop, Netscape's cross-OS fetish will look less like the energy drain it has been and more like a smart strategy.
    2. Its free (as in speech, not beer) nature. An embeddable binary browser helps Microsft build apps. And it helps other developers build apps on Win32 platforms that include the browser's functionns. An embeddable open-source browser, on the other hand, helps developers build apps on any platform, and lets them extend (or restrict) the browser in ways the standard build of it won't let them.
  • Unlike IE5.0, Mozilla/Netscape 5.0 will be what we really expect from a next version release. Haven't had time or skill to directly contribute to the project, but I'd built releases on a monthly basis, run through tests, submitted bug reports, and followed the development...

    Some very exciting things. Like the whole UI specified in an XML document, and dialog windows defined in HTML. Like having the architecture componentized (one of MS' bit bragging points) and able to be updated incrementally, rather then d/ling an entire new install for a 0.1 version increase. And amazingly complete standards support.

    And on top of all that, it'll be nowhere near 100MB to download. I think if they get a beta out early enough this year, they might be able to take 5.0 share, just on the lack of d/l time alone. :)

    I'm excited, being a web developer, that there might be hope in using these whiz bang things like DHTML in a general audience soon.
  • Well, do you have CVS access, or are you using anonymous access? You can checkout a copy of the latest tree, but obviously not update it unless you're one of the developers with tree access...
  • Perhaps questions regarding building should be researched at mozilla.org, not posted on slashdot where they get in the way of discussion about the product?
  • I'm using the Mozilla builds to hit slashdot daily; a number of image rendering bugs exist, but it's -already- nicer to look at than MSIE 4.5 (the Mac equivalent of five). The UI may 'suck' now, but take a gander at how easily it can be changed... the toolbars are CSS/XUL; a content provider can replace them with custom ones, should they desire - and so can the average hacker. :)
  • I am a coder, but I don't know C++.
    I program in object pascal.

    I know how the fundamentals of programming goes, but I don't know how C++ works. ok?
  • mozilla daily build c.19.03.1999 looks really nice on Win32, albeit still slower than IE against Slashdot at least. It's going to destroy IE ... :)

    The GTK look is very stylish, it's going to be a bit of a shock to the typical M$ user (in a good way).

  • You can. Select advanced in the download applet and select "compatibility". Worked for me.
  • Probably not a whole lot. Before Netscape starting giving away their browser completely free, (free for non-commercial use, but otherwise cough up $50 or so) it accounted for something like 5% of their gross revenues, with 95% of their revenues coming from server software sales and other commercial enterprises.
  • Mozilla is a great project, but *right now*, IE is kicking their butt on Win32.

    And before I get my head flamed off, this is not an inconsequential problem -- If you want CSS & DHTML *today*, and page load time is critical, the best choice is IE4/5. (We're facing this at work - we chose the best CSS & DHTML feature set, fastest browser, and fastest, most stable java machine over the minor benefit of being cross-platform. Sure, we're drinking the Extend&Embrace Kool-Aid, but we need a real solution now, not in a year. And NO, we don't want to be bothered with maintaining Netscape's code base, even though we could.)

    (And don't forget, at one time things like tables and frames were proprietary to Netscape. Eventally the feature sets of all browsers converge on a standard, but for the latest-and-greatest stuff, both NS and IE are functionally proprietary.)

    --

  • Trying apparently wasn't good enough. Netscape really screwed themselves in the server market.

    First they announced that they were building a "Lotus Notes Killer", thus burning a big bridge with IBM. (They never finished the product.)

    Then Apache pretty much kicked the pants of their commercial web server.

    Then Microsoft vapor and Novell pretty much took the air out of their Directory Server

    Then, they produced a substandard mail/calendaring client, losing any enterprise mail deals they might have gotten.

    Then, IBM, Microsoft, and everyone else came out with an eCommerce server - Netscape's got lost in the crowd.

    There's still plenty of good server technology over there ... Maybe Sun can market it better.

    --

  • We've had "Freedom of Operating System Choice" for a long, long time. Most people don't chose to make use of the freedom (for various reasons, some of which don't have to do with mind control beams shooting out of Redmond, WA).

    The cross-platform nature of Netscape is a "minor" benifit for intranet developers, because their users are 98% standardized on Windows. The other 2% are Macintoshes, a platform on which IE also outperforms Netscape 4.x, although the margin is narrower.

    It's somewhat disturbing, to me, to build a web-based solution that locks you in to one browser, but in many cases the equivalent Netscape solution is just as proprietary (won't run on IE) and doesn't run as well as the IE solution. A Duel IE/Netscape code base costs more money.

    In a year or two, Linux may be on more corporate desktops, and by then Mozilla will be out, and the situation can be reevaluated. (Of course IE5 for Linux might be out, for those "legacy" IE-based sites.) But right now, Linux and Mozilla are non-issues in an intranet situation.

    --
  • IE 5 seems to have been a flop, but I'm still not going to use netscape on Windows until they make a navigator-only 4.5+ version!! When are they going to realize that no one wants to use their damn crappy email and news clients.
  • There is a debian package of Mozilla if you have trouble getting it to run yourself. I think the package is a little out of date though... It runs, but seems to be much slower than the 4.5 series...
  • I'm running the 3/21 as well, and as you said - slashdot renders fine - and quick. But, you should try http://www.cnn.com [cnn.com].. Not so fine.

    And, are the sub-components supposed to work in this build? For some reason, nothing outside of the actual browser works.. (e.g., mail client)
  • I've gotten the same problem from ftp.mozilla.org and every mirror I tried.
  • The Win32 version renders everything except the banner on top.
    And its very very very very very very very very very very very much faster than Netscape
  • But when I saw the size of the file I downloaded the latest build of Mozilla
  • The full browser executable is called apprunner, just run that.
  • Yipee, a MSIE troll.

    I'm sorry here pal, but in todays world of freedom of operating system choice, a platform locked browser (however good) isnt what we need.

    Smarten up or shut up.
  • I hear that, who cares about MSIE5.

    I can wait for Mozila.
    And i'll bet most people who love there freedom can to.
  • The announcement said that AOL was starved for engineers, so the Netscape people that got laid off were probably in management/sales/other non-tech jobs.
  • so either you are a very determined troll with too much free time, or there are some things you need to be clued in on: -Contributing to the wishlist is, of course, helpful in its own way, but this post reeks of a "Cmon, guys, write this program for me. Here's how I want it done. I would help, but I don't know how, and don't have the time. Well? What's taking you so long?" kind of attitude. -Mozilla is a little late in the development cycle to be talking about piling on new features. In fact, it is in a code freeze right now. The priority is performance and stability. A suggestion: Wait until 5.0 is out the door. Meanwhile, brush up on coding. When it comes out, download and enjoy it. Then, see what suggestions of yours have been implemented. Use it for a while until you have a better idea of what would be good additions for the next version. Send them to the wishlist. Then, get familiar with the codebase, find something you want to see implemented that you can do yourself, and start coding. Good luck!
  • I got the 16/3 nightly build.
    It's really buggy,
    and cannot render slashdot (segfaults)

    I wouldnt say it's ready for consumtion.



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  • but,
    as I've seen from the mozilla.org news,
    M3 was in 12/3 (isnt it???) and my build is the latest source (i pulled it yesterday from ftp).
    maybe I'm wrong but M3 should work properly and function on all OSes to allow html writers to design NS5 pages,
    and surf most sites, and it doesnt, yet.

    When i tried slashdot, i got:

    Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkbox.c: line 332 (gtk_box_pack_start): assertion `child->parent == NULL' failed.
    URL to load in nsBrowserAppCore is slashdot.org
    WARNING: cell content 836ADC0 has large width 45886
    WARNING: cell content 839DB40 has large height 48775
    WARNING: cell content 839DB40 has large height 48775
    Aborted

    I got a similar message for trying to use the preferences box too.
    (gtk is not defective, i have 1.2.0, gimp works fine, and so does gnome,
    but yeah, i assume win32 wont have this problem).

    on the other hand it does render linuxtoday without a hitch.


    btw,
    yes the UI sucks, but i dont care about that,
    I know that first lets get it working.


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  • How come I can checkout MozillaSourceUnix,
    but I cant update MozillaSourceUnix?


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  • update, not commit.


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  • Netscape Communicator 4.5 with Java support disabled is rock stable. However NS 4.5 often takes over 25MB of memory and does not release it without restart.
  • Version numbering seems to be doing the trick quite well. There seems to be widespread, though not explicitly stated agreement in the open source community that a project release will not be numbered "1.0" until it meets all the original goals, and is largely bug-free. "Alpha" and "Beta" are just short-hand terms for software that is steadily improving, but still a work in progress.

    I think this is a good thing. It's much more honest, at least, than typical proprietary standard, which is to just call the first thing thrown out the door version 1.0, and try to debug from there.
  • Hm, everyone keeps saying how slow it is. But I have use an older build for a few days on nt 4.0 (at work only! I swear I wouldn't let that near my home computer!), and it was much faster than ie 4.0, and seemed to render everything pretty good.
    Ok... So maybe since all of you are using linux, mozilla seems slow, but that is fast for nt :)
  • I thought they were using the same source for unix and win32?
  • Yes, I was curious! :-) Microsoft's US download site said FTP time would be 14.5 hours! I ended up downloading it from Japan (after ie5setup.exe crashed three times).

    Final verdict? IE5 = IE4 + minor UI annoyances + silly net radio toolbar + "under the covers" support for developers, like XML, CSS stuff, etc. For users, there seems to be no real value. How long did IE5 take to develop? 12-18 months? From what I see, this feels more like an IE 4.5 upgrade with a 4-6 month product cycle.

  • Did you ever notice how everyone who doesn't code always comes up with suggestions, saying "it wouldn't be hard to add this" and "this certainly wouldn't add much bloat" ?

    How does he know? I admit that I haven't touched NS's code but I know that most things which seem easy on the surface often end up being the most difficult to do..

  • IE5 still overrides previous versions (Score:3)

    by vitaflo ( 20507 ) on Sunday March 21, 1999 @10:06AM (#1971127) Homepage
    What gets me is that installing IE5 means you can't have IE4 or IE3 on your system (Win32 that is). Being a web developer, this is REALLY annoying.
  • Is mozilla going to be feauture compatible with ie5? No because ie5 does not support THE standard and mozilla apperently will. So when when mozilla will be released it will be incompatible with ie(hurray MS you did it again).
    In other words if you want all those cool xml/html 4.0 thingies to work in all browsers you will probably still have to develop two pages instead of one.
    I just installed IE 5. It works for me. It's an improvement over netscape 4.5. Faster, just as stable, nicer GUI. In fact it hasn't crashed on me since I installed it yesterday morning.
    Sure I'll give mozilla a fair chance when it arrives (this century?) but until that time I'll run IE. Why? Simply because at this moment it's superior over netscape.
  • The Win32 build increased in size because they just added a boatload of stuff, namely mail/news and the editor.
  • You really can't compare the current mozilla with the latest "Gecko" release, as it is several months old. If you want to talk about problems with it I would suggest downloading the current build of mozilla and compiling it yourself. Then report any bugs you have, and give your comments
  • I read that it will not be ready for beta until late July and offical release at years end.
  • This is the ultimate in opensource to the trade press. If mozilla fails, opensource fails (to the trade press at least). If mozilla succeeds, you can see many more opensource products to come from other companies. There is a lot in stake. If you do not contibute in the least, may the opensource gods have mercy on your soul.

    --

  • Me too, but www.microsoft.com has "issues" (Score:3)

    by BeanThere ( 28381 ) on Sunday March 21, 1999 @05:24AM (#1971133)
    My ISP posted it on their website. So I tried to D/L it, but it just sent me a 500K executable called ie5setup.exe or something like that. Considering (a) I was in Linux and didn't see why I should be forced to be in Windows just to get IE5, and (b) considering MS's track record with privacy, I didn't want to be using some Microsoft executable just to download IE5; so I decided to just try get the plain installation files so that I could install offline.

    So I headed for www.microsoft.com, in hopes of locating instructions for doing this, and a nearby mirror.

    But I had so many problems ... I had to press "Reload" about five times for each page I tried to view before I could view it, because I kept getting "network error"'s. It was incredibly slow and kept disconnecting. (All other websites I viewed were fine, so the problem wasn't on my side.)

    Then there was the font issue. I could scarcely read what was written on their pages (and in many parts I couldn't read it at all.) (I use Navigator 4 on Linux.) Considering that almost every other website on the planet IS capable of creating web pages readable with all web client software, I thought it seemed incredibly strange that a company like Microsoft, which is supposed to be really clued-up and professional, can't even design web pages based on the most simple of web-design principles.

    So then, amidst dozens of "network error"'s, I tried in vain to click on their "feedback" page, so that I could inform them that were many issues with their website preventing me from obtaining IE5 (and I'm sure they wouldn't want that now.) I was going to suggest that (a) they migrate their website from NT to one of the Unix'es, to make it faster and more stable, and (b) that they go on some basic html design courses, so that they can design readable web pages and not look so unprofessional.

    But the feedback thing kept taking me to something that seemed to be labelled a "registration wizard" or something. Presumably I was going to have to give them personal information before being allowed to send feedback.

    But this turned out to not be a problem when I had so much trouble just trying to get the dang feedback page to download without giving errors, that I gave up, deciding to try out IE5 "another day", when they put it on the network at work or something.
  • ... but they know about it.

    For whatever reason, they have a corrupted tarball. I have heard no news as to when they will/can/may resolve the issue.

    I tried to compile the thing myself, but unfortunately I cannot seem to get past some runtime environment they want.. even after downloading it from their site. Frustrating.

    The next step, for me, will be to do a CVS co, which is exceptionally time-consuming (and I lack the time <sigh>).

    Oh well... hopefully the linux version will be resolved soon. I would like to use something slimmer than standard Netscape.

  • M3 (Score:1)

    by preisl ( 138365 )
    Hmm, there is some M3 release on the ftp site, but the linux binary tgz file seems to be corrupted :(

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