Mozilla M6 released 128
ZuperDee writes "The Mozilla Organization has just
put out their 6th
Milestone Release of SeaMonkey. I highly recommend downloading it
from their ftp
site. Some of the new things in this release include more mail/news
functionality, the beginnings of the profile creation wizard and install
wizard, and of course, lots of bug fixes. " Seems sluggish right
now, but hopefully they'll be mirrors.
Re:Question (Score:1)
IE 4.5 also doesn't let me view 95% of the pages that use DHTML. There's just no implementation of the Netscape DOM and without ActiveX support on the Mac you can't view IE DHTML.
That said, IE does have a snappier rendering engine, has more options for use, and better CSS-1 support. However, it will never equal Mozilla on the Mac.
Right now, if I surf for under 30 minutes, I'll use IE4.5. If I will be online for sometime, I'll use Netscape 4.5.
Important Fix (Score:5)
Re:Just core dumps for me ... (Score:2)
apprunner seems to work, though, as the Profile
Manager is not started again. It is this that seems to crash apprunner the first time it's started.
Hope this helps.
Re:Is it even worth the download? Yes! (Score:1)
OK, I just reran the test. The banners now seem to be coming in, in full. But are they supposed to be at the bottom of the page or down the middle column like that?
Here's a screenshot. [nic.com] I had to shrink it and decrease the colors to get the size down, so it won't look pretty, but it'll show you the outline of the page.
-Augie
P.S. Wait. Nevermind. I take it all back. I just looked again and the banners are at the bottom of the page now. Really weird. Maybe I just had to wait longer, but the throbber thingy had stopped throbbing, so I thought it was done. Maybe that's a bug? (Total time: 153.7 seconds at 36,000 bps. Might just be a clogged ISP pipeline, though.)
Woohoo - post from within m6 (Score:2)
posted this from within M6....
working quite well...
Just remember, kids, that there are
several reasons why this is slower than the final
product will be - most obviously,
it's presently spewing loads of debugging + status
information out.
Hey....the preferences nearly work now !
No more manually cutting+pasting the configuration
from ~/.netscape/preferences.js
to ~/.mozila/profile/prefs50.js
Re:Mac Version (Score:1)
Re:Mozilla... Is it even worth the download? (Score:2)
Actually, MSIE 4.5 Mac is rock-solid on the machines I've used. If one has random crashes, one usually has to trash the "Internet Preferences" file from the Preferences folder.
MSIE PPC is fast, stable, and has a very slick UI. Not too surprising, since some members of the development team are from Claris.
Other than being made by Microsoft, the only real problem it has is all that crap it spews all over the system folder. Wait, is that redundant?
Of course, there are some other browsers -- iCab is very good. But I'm really hoping (like everyone) that Mozilla comes in and saves the day for all platforms everywhere.
- Scott
Re:Mac Version (Score:3)
That's why there are 05-28-99-M7 builds, even though M7 is far from done.
Re:Is it even worth the download? Yes! (Score:1)
And I think trying to group DIVs with SPANs falls into a kind of hazy area in the standard... I'm too lazy to check the standard right now, but I think the way it works is block-level elements can enclose other block-level elements or inline elements, but inline elements can only enclose other inline elements, not block-level elements.
DIV is sometimes a block-level element and sometimes an inline, and SPAN is always an inline, which means enclosing DIVs inside SPANs is legal until the moment you do something with the DIV that an inline can't do, thus forcing it to be block-level... such as enclose another block-level element - like a P - in it. Since the DIVs on that page do contain Ps, I believe enclosing them in SPANs is illegal...
DIV and SPAN appear to be functionally identical, anyway, except for the block vs. inline thing, so I'm not sure there's ever a reason to use SPAN...
Re:No-ho-hooo wayyy!! (Score:1)
Re:Looks like vapor. (but really just a typo) (Score:4)
It actually worked. (Score:1)
Re:Mozilla... Is it even worth the download? (Score:1)
m6 mirror in australia (Score:4)
at mirror.aarnet in australia. you can get
it from
ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/mozilla/mozilla/
or
http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/mozilla/mozilla/rel
Re:Mozilla... Is it even worth the download? (Score:1)
IE has a major flaw in regard to the handling of it's cache.
Netscape also has a major flaw in it's cache handling,
in that these are kept in per user directories.
Also the multi user handling is weak and inflexiable,
both under Unix and Windows.
Make it work on slack-4.0 (Score:1)
from Brian Dial's excellent
ftp://lrasputin.linuxos.net/pub/slakware-packs.
It installs in
way
Re:Where's the Mac version? (Score:1)
Re:Mozilla... Is it even worth the download? (Score:1)
I wish Mozilla was better, and it seems to slowly be getting so but at the moment IE5 is sexy.
Compare browsers on this HTML tutor [vision.net.nz] that i'm slowly writing (404's aplenty, don't bother reporting).
Nope.. (Score:2)
I guess I could hack a button for the toolbar, but it's not functionally different than using the menu bar.
On another not, anyone notice M6 expanding to suck up all the free CPU cycles? Anyone know why?
-AS
Re:Courage, Certainty, and True Thought ... (was F (Score:1)
Those tools are not all great. Esp. VB which I suffer at the moment. It sucks monumentously, but this company love M$ (which is why I'm leaving in a month or so
Mozilla... Is it even worth the download? (Score:2)
I've never had good luck with it. It crashes a little less than netscape and is even more of a memory hog on my machine. It does seem a hell of a lot faster though.
Also, has netscape made any real progress in the last few quarters? beyond cosmetic changes in version 4.6 and the extra AOL crap that comes forcibly bundled with it I cannot see any. On my rh6.0 and debian 2.1 boxes netscape 4.08 works remarkably better then versions 4.51/4.6. I realize that some of the code is made up of netscape's, why didn't the mozilla team choose a better browser to model? ( KDE's browser rushes to mind, in my experience with it last year it was already faster/stable/more usable than netscape.
Does anyone know of a browser for the gnome desktop? Am i correct that mozilla makes use of gtk? Do any other browsers out there?
I'm sure i'm the only linux user who really hopes the rumor to be true, but I for one cannot wait for IE for linux (assuming that it is not the poor hack i've heard the other unix versions are) IE on the MACs at work is much better than netscape and uses considerably less resources.
[disclaimer: yes MS is not the most 'kind' organization, but IMHO Internet Explorer is a damn fine piece of software (on win32 and mac that is)]. i hope the linux version is usable.
-matt
Re:European mirror (Score:1)
Re:Netscape vs Mozilla -> M6 (Score:1)
This alone has made it worth it to set my
Netscape 3.04. Linux.
Re:Mac??? (Score:1)
excellent (Score:3)
I was not able to crash it at all.
I think the gui design is starting to look very interesting, I always preferred the netscape gui to IE anyway, but I think maybe Mozilla is going to make this even more so. I run linux as a workstation at home and at work, so IE is
not an option for me anyway. Even if M$ was to port IE to linux and it performed any thing like it does under windows, It would probably be
slower than Mozilla anyway. I did some testing with IE 4.and win98 vs Netscape 4.XX and linux, the last combination was clearly faster on my
system, linux may be a big factor here but I bet the IE port to linux would be at least as bloated as the sun port. Anyway I really need IE for linux like I need cancer.
This is excellent work by the Mozilla team and I am really looking forward to the beta and the final release.
interesting mozilla projects (Score:3)
Re:Is it even worth the download? Yes! (Score:1)
Re:Mozilla... Is it even worth the download? (Score:2)
Re:Mozilla... Is it even worth the download? (Score:3)
I think it was supposed to do the scan only when something changed. Since I used it so infrequently, I wouldn't be surpised if whatever it looked for changed by the time I used it again.
IE 5.0: I don't think I could get past the first install screen. It probably required patches that the system didn't have. I don't have root access, so I didn't spend much time bothering with it.
I'm not too optimistic about IE for linux. I am much more optimistic about Mozilla.
Re:link to m6 (but this works :-)) (Score:3)
bob
Re:Not again ... (Unable to run on Slackware) (Score:1)
To report it as a bug, since its only a bug with
the binary, not with compiled source.
The libstdc++ library contains a symbol, __iostream8 or similar, which normally only has
one "_" in front of it. However the library which
is being compiled against by the binary builder
is an old, broken one, which gives this particular
symbol TWO underscores. Both Debian and Redhat
appear to distrubute, as part of the standard distrubution, a copy of the old, broken, version
as well as the newer versions which fix the bug. Thus the binaries work fine on them, but not on slackware and possibly a couple of other distributions, because they DON'T include a copy of the broken lib. There isn't anything you can do
afaik, Your only option is to attempt to compile the source yourself, and thus gain a binary which uses the correct symbol for iostream8
Just core dumps for me ... (Score:1)
JPEG still doesn't work (Score:1)
yeah but... (Score:3)
Chris
PS. the last time I used IE 4.5 on a mac it had significant problems. It actually slowed down all other programs! There was stuff on this at www.macintouch.com such as this dated 2/1/99:
John Kordyback supplied another example of Microsoft Internet Explorer 4.5's penchant for reducing performance of other
applications (see also Peek-a-boo, a utility for displaying resource usage):
"I've noticed that Interapplication Communication is much slower when Internet Expolorer 4.5 is running on my Mac
(3400c/8.5.1/80 megs RAM). For example, if you run the following do-nothing AppleScript for Excel:
tell application "Microsoft Excel"
Activate
ClearContents Range "R1C1:R100C1"
ClearContents Range "R1C2"
set startTime to current date
repeat with i from 1 to 100
set rowString to i as string
set rngString to "R" & rowString & "C1"
set FormulaR1C1 of Range rngString to rowString
end repeat
set totalTime to ((current date) - startTime) as string
set FormulaR1C1 of Range "R1C2" to totalTime
end tell
It averages 4.8 seconds without IE 4.5 running and 13.9 seconds with. I've also noticed that OLE communication (which
really uses AppleEvents for communication) is similarly slower."
RedHat 6 and Netscape 4.5/4.6 problems (SOLUTION) (Score:2)
Netscape also has (and has had) a problem with lots of dialog boxes popping up about bad widget sizes. You can't get rid of the messages, but you can send them to stderr instead where they do no harm. Check DejaNews for how to configure that.
With those two fixes applied, 4.5/4.6 seems as good or better than 4.08.
mozillazine has the news, too (Score:2)
Opera works, too (Score:1)
Nice browser. It would go back to the right place in the thread, too. I liked the multiple window feature.
Re:Mozilla... Is it even worth the download? (Score:2)
The cache and password issues you mention seem to have been fixed in IE5 (although you need to change the password policy in the security settings).
Note that on Windows NT, Netscape does use a cache shared between all users, where IE does not.
IE has the nice feature of allowing you to enable features (JavaScript, Cookies, ActiveX) selectively for "Trusted Sites" versus general untrusted Internet sites.
--
Feeding The Troll (Sorry) (Score:1)
Goto http://style.verso.com/.
View the pages there in IE4, IE5, NS4, and a recent version of Moz. All of these browsers except one suck royally at trying to render the CSS tests found there. Guess which one? (Hint, it's not NS, and it's not either version of IE.)
Then come back and tell us who's spreading FUD-dillyishusness.
--Z.
Re:Weird problems with M6 (Score:1)
btw
This is still only a beta, and while a little rough around the edges, I think it shows alot of potential.
the iCab alternative (Score:2)
Fully Navigation Services and Net Services
compliant, totally Drag&Drop everywhere, renders pages
fast as IE, and the best part: image filters!
I wish these guys the best of luck.
It does crash on occasion, like most betas should,
but with MacsBug, it crashes very cleanly, and you
can relaunch right away with no problems.
Pope
No-ho-hooo wayyy!! (Score:2)
As much as I love to root for the underdog, in my experience, Netscape is too big, too slow, and too horrible to use. Explorer (I'm using 4.5 and Communicator 4.5. All of 4.x all gave me the same problems) runs much more quickly, has a MUCH better user interface (eg it lets me use my own email program when clicking on mailto: links, as opposed to Netscape's super-annoying habit of forcing me to use communicator's email regardless of my IC prefs) and has hosts of other nice features from which Netscape could take some serious hints. Another example that comes to mind is the "Go" button next to the URL box. Yes, I know it's a symptom of my supreme laziness, but if I cut&paste a URL, it's a pain to have to go and hit the enter key. As I said, I am that lazy. And like I said, it runs several orders of magnitude faster and more stably than any Netscape 4.x.
Maybe Netscape has given up on the older Macs and is designing programs that work fantastically on the g3s or something, I have no idea honestly. All I know is that on this little ol' 7300/180/32MB [apple.com], IE kicks Navigator/Communicator's ass wayyy around the block. A few times.
I'd be interested to know what kind of Mac you're using as well as which versions of the progams.
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Evan
More issues... (Score:2)
The jerkiness, I have found, seems to be tied to a bug(?) in which M6 'expands' to suck up all the free CPU cycles. Anyone know why it does that?
Likewise, any way in Windows to click on a link and get a new window? The menubar->file->close option doesn't seem to work, meaning I don't think one can close a window without killing all of them.
-AS
We can't really judge the general speed... (Score:1)
Is it even worth the download? Yes! (Score:5)
If you think that Netscape's CSS support is atrociously bad, you are entirely correct. If you think that that means Mozilla's is too, you are completely wrong.
Yes, IE is much better CSS-support-wise than Netscape. That's not hard... Netscape's CSS support is literally worse than none at all. IE is far from perfect, though. There's some fairly useful stuff they didn't even try to implement, and they don't seem to have any plans to do so. And, of course, being Microsoft, there's a lot of useless flash added that isn't mentioned in the standard anywhere. Embrace-and-extend, always...
Mozilla does CSS. Period. Oh, there are a few minor things that aren't there yet (there doesn't seem to be any support for text direction, for instance) and a few bugs where things that are implemented don't work right (try setting up a transparent GIF with the background-image for IMGs set to a different GIF that's fixed to the background, and see what happens) but for the most part, it just works. And it blows IE away.
If you want proof, take a look at this page [unctv.org] with Netscape (careful... it crashes 4.06, and possibly other versions), IE, and Mozilla, in turn. I wrote the page to the standard without regard for how real-world browsers rendered it, just to see how well they'd do.
Netscape 4.51 makes a mess of it, and manages to get the text color screwed up so that it's black on black in one place. IE (4 and 5 appear to act the same) gets all the basics... it ignores the first-line and first-letter stuff and some of the fixed background-image stuff - and possibly also the line-through on the DEL tag, I don't recall just now. Mozilla gets it all perfectly.
Oh, as a side note... has anyone gotten Mozilla to work on a libc5 Linux system? Or am I going to have to wait for my Slack 4.0 disk with the glibc2 runtime libs to arrive? I've been using the Solaris version with the display redirected (gotta love X) at work, but I don't have that option at home (would be nice if I had a spare Enterprise 5500 kicking around at home, but somehow I don't think that's going to happen)...
Re:Is it even worth the download? Yes! (Score:1)
Re:XPFE is _extremely_ buggy (Score:1)
link to m6 (Score:2)
Re:Is it even worth the download? Yes! (Score:2)
IE renders it close to well, Netscape stinks, and Mozilla is _so_ close to perfect. . .
-Augie
Try winamp.com... (Score:2)
Table divides the page into 'panes', left hand side control/menu, right side sectioned into comment blocks.
Renders fine.
Slashdot renders fine, and it has something akin, left side is comment blocks and right side is control/menu...
I suspect(browsed through the page source, but it was too cluttered to see anything at a glimpse) it's either an obscure HTML compatibility issue that you violate(or they violate), or you're using a tag incorrectly... What does an HTML verifier say about your site?
-AS
Curious; how have you fried it? (Score:2)
I've also gotten it to crash whenever I touch the preferences dialogue.
Have you seen anything else?
Your sig:
Wasurenaide - where did you go and what did you do as well(?)
-AS
Re:Mozilla... Is it even worth the download? (Score:3)
-- Tom
Re:Mozilla... Is it even worth the download? (Score:2)
This makes IE a real security threath along with the default behaviour of storing passwords for sites even after stopping and starting it.
Re:Is it even worth the download? Yes! (Score:1)
You just need to compile the NSPR system with
support for the user threads. See mozilla bug
3949 for more info.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=394
mo
Good, progress coming along nicely! (Score:5)
Some things cause it to crash immediately; opening preferences under edit, and hitting okay(even if you don't do *anything*), for example.
Haven't otherwise caused it to crash.
Was able to replace the throbber and some other minor graphics to suit my taste.
Colors suck, but otherwise okay.
Once in a while I lose focus from the window; don't know what is happening...
The executeable is very small, but has a 17mb footprint under NT task manager... Perhaps optimization will shrink this in the future?
Hasn't crashed yet, through normal use, and loading is very fast, if not quite smooth or polished. Anyone notice this?
Under N4.5 or 4.6, it may take a tad longer to load up a page, but the redraw isn't as jerky, and scrolling was definitely smoother. Perhaps an 'animation' issue, like page flipping or double buffering?
Still, much better than m3 and m4. It *seems* stable enough to be my main browser, except I can't right click and open new windows.
Now I have to navigate Slashdot threads one at a time.
Perhaps the capability will be added again in M7?
-AS
Re:Weird problems with M6 (Score:5)
blik (Score:1)
Boy, I'll say they're different. The problems you're describing with your IE experience are the ones I had with Netscape. Not to repeat my original post, but Netscape would usually crash the entire system several times a day, whereas IE has only crashed 5 or 6 times in the past few months, and has never taken down the rest of the computer with it. It wasn't until I stopped using Netscape that I realized how bad it was.
I guess this is just an example of the idiosyncracies of computers. One program behaves nicely and another badly on one system, and the exact opposite occurs on another system. Weird. I guess when I get my new Lombard (yeah, right) I'll have to reevaluate the browser situation. Though with all the UI prettiness of IE, I'd probably stand some crashing. God knows I did for 2 years with Netscape... Hopefully Mozilla will change things around for Netscape.
BTW, I assume you're referring to LinuxPPC PRE-R5, right? They didn't release R5 without telling me, I hope.
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Evan
Courage, Certainty, and True Thought ... (was FUD) (Score:1)
When/if IE comes out on Linux, we'll *finally* have a useful browser.
We?
Heh. Maybe they'll port COM, VC++, SQL Server, Exchange, MTS, IIS and (oh, please, please, please) Visual Basic.
And then we can just throw all these crappy GNU tools away, chuck sendmail, nuke all these silly Internet protocols and, God, never have to use any tools with stupid names like 'awk'.
And then I can be a Microsoft Certified Professional on Linux. Cool.
XFE is _extremely_ buggy (Score:1)
I don't get it... The renderer engine is fast as hell and works great (at least that's my experience) but the GTK-based front end is buggy (lots of warnings and criticals) and slooooow. I've written some programs in GTK-- (BTW, if Mozilla is C++, why doesn't it use GTK-- instead of GTK+?) and I have no idea why they found it so difficult to make the front-end bug-free.
Re:Where's Mac M6? (Score:1)
Here is the post [deja.com].
Re:Mozilla... Is it even worth the download? (Score:1)
If the cache were shared, people would be screaming
bloody murder about how everyone could see the pr0n
that was dropped into the cache.
As opposed to being able to both see which "pr0n" and
*who* downloaded it, which you get with the current model.
Re:mat try mozilla -- Proxy solution (Score:2)
in ~/.mozilla/prefs50.js ensure you have lines like the following:
user_pref("network.proxy.http", "junkbuster");
user_pref("network.proxy.http_port", 5865);
I think you can get the same effect under Micros~1 by copying your netscape preferences file to the mozilla directory. Or something like that.
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Re:Just core dumps for me ... (Score:3)
running
through a pointless `set up profiles' dialog
Nice to see someone agrees with me about this "profiles"
mechanism under Unix. (Even if it is an AC.)
IMHO there is benefit from taking ideas from Unix to other
platforms. e.g. global configuration files, ability to read
different "mailbox" formats (especially those which are
network exportable), etc. (Thus having interoperability
with other programs.)
Whereas copying Windows workarrounds (especially
those only suitable for stand alone machines) into Unix
is not the best way to do things. What next emulate the
Windows registry, as IE for Solaris does?
It exists (Score:5)
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/miles
I wish the Mozilla folks luck, and I'm looking forward to the day when it becomes usable enough for me to switch. Netscape 4 just has *way* too many bugs and security holes, and I really want to move to an Open Source product (where hopefully the problems will be easier to find and fix).
Lynx (Score:1)
Re:XPFE is _extremely_ buggy (Score:4)
One the one hand, this creates an extra layer between the browser core and what you see on the screen, if you will -- on the other, it means you can create new skins for Moz with a text editor. :-) XUL and RDF: The Implementation of the Application Object Model [mozilla.org] is a good starting point if you want to learn more about it.
Re:Important Fix (Score:1)
Ok, posting with M6, take 2 (Score:1)
Also, it doesn't seem to display the ads at the top of the page, which I think is a nice feature. ;-) Keep up the good work!
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Re:XPFE is _extremely_ buggy (Score:1)
Mac Version (Score:4)
It's not that great actually, it still can't replace 4.6 (and I REALLY would like it replaced). And I had to rename my hard dive before using it b/c of some obscure bug that prevents it from running when your hard drive has a name that uses weird characters - and this bug has been around for a long time. It is making progress though, albeit very slowly.
Re:If it just kept bookmarks (Score:4)
cp ~/.netscape/bookmarks.html mozilla/package/res/rdf/bookmarks.html
That's discussed on the release notes [mozilla.org].
Re:Is it even worth the download? Yes! (Score:2)
This reinforces my original statement that the DIVs on my example page can't be grouped using SPANs; they have to be grouped using other DIVs. It does indicate, though, the use for SPANs... you use 'em inside Ps and stuff where DIVs aren't allowed...
Re:Mozilla... Is it even worth the download? (Score:1)
Looks like vapor. (Score:1)
Re:JPEG still doesn't work (Score:3)
What I do... (Score:2)
Re:Weird problems with M6 (Score:1)
Maybe there is an incompatibility with the HTML definition in your site.
And since mozilla is only supposed to render completely HTML-compatible sites,
Re:FYI (Score:3)
Re:Molasses (Score:4)
Well, I suppose enabling asserts slows down the code a fair bit
It's not the asserts. There was a recent post [deja.com] about the slow reaction you get when moving the mouse. Follow the next few replies to that post. There are several good explanations of what is causing the slowdown. The short summary is that rollovers are causing the entire document to get redrawn when you move your mouse around. But redrawing the whole browser is complicated, so everything slows to a crawl.
Re:Woohoo - post from within m6 (Score:1)
Re:M6 + java ? (Score:1)
Try checking www.japhar.org for more details
Iggy
Re:Molasses (Score:1)
Re:Mozilla... Is it even worth the download? (Score:3)
There is a workaround (Score:2)
Grab libstdc++ from RedHat 5.1; package name was libstdc++-2.8.0-14.i386.rpm.
Extract the actual library from it (I've heard rpm2targz does this, I don't have it, I stripped the header off, gunzipped, and used cpio to extract it from the resulting file. Don't know if I could do it again).
Put libstdc++.so.2.8.0 somewhere handy - I just put it in the M6 package dir.
cd
ln -s libstdc++.so.2.8.0 libstdc++.so.2.8
setenv LD_LIBRARY_PATH
ldconfig -v | grep stdc # check if found right copy
Also make sure your path includes "."
./run_mozilla.sh
GOOD LUCK!
--Indigo
Netscape vs Mozilla -> M6 (Score:3)
Let me explain.
When you click on a reply to a comment, read it and want to return to the index, netscape would return you to the beginning of the page, while IE would return you to where you left off. Normally this isn't all that bad, but when you have pages with 100+ comments on them and you're somewhere halfway down the page, it is very irritating that netscape returns you to the beginning of the page after reading a reply.
I hope they change this with Mozilla, and I'll w
quit using IE.
For the rest I don't really care. I must agree to a post earlier that I also though MS was the evil empire, and I also turned to the dark side when I started using IE. But, if it suits me better, then I'm going to use it.
Re:Multiple windows (Score:1)
- view
/. conversations in "flat" mode without getting a screenful of garbage; and - LOG IN!!
Both of these seems like considerable improvements to me.And, yes, the CSS support kicks ass. :-)
And yes, O Naysayers, CSS does matter. It's a friggin' standard already -- so learn to live with it.
--Z.
Re:Question (Score:1)
This has something to do with the way web browser need more memory on complex pages..
At any rate Netscape nor Internet Exploiter don't release memory properly when done. (Until you quit the application).
Re:Mozilla... Is it even worth the download? (Score:5)
The Mozilla project was initiated by Netscape, and most of its developers work there. Not so much of the code derives from the Navigator codebase anymore; a good deal has been rewritten from scratch (which is why it's been in development so long).
Does anyone know of a browser for the gnome desktop? Am i correct that mozilla makes use of gtk? Do any other browsers out there?
Yes, Mozilla uses gtk. Another gtk browser (still alpha) to check out is Gzilla [gzilla.com].
[disclaimer: yes MS is not the most 'kind' organization, but IMHO Internet Explorer is a damn fine piece of software (on win32 and mac that is)]. i hope the linux version is usable.
Ha! It's not too bad on Win32, but MSIE on the Mac is a joke. It's plagued by random crashes and inexplicable slowdowns. Navigator is far from bulletproof, but at least it works passably well on most platforms.
AC
Re:Mozilla... Is it even worth the download? (Score:1)
Where's Mac M6? (Score:3)
The Mac build has regressed a bit, but is due on Tuesday [deja.com]
Molasses (Score:2)
Question (Score:1)
Considering that you have to manually set the memory allocation for programs on the MacOS, how did IE arbitrarily grab 70MB of RAM? (This is an honest question - I didn't think that was possible.)
On an old Quadra 950, I'd take MacIE over Netscape any day, I do know that. Friends with newer Macs favor Netscape, but they also allocate 50MB of memory to it.
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Its true. (Score:1)
First we will get used to having a MS browser. Then the MS web server will naturally follow to support the proprietory features of the browser. Of course, bundled with the browser will be an e-mail client, which of course works best on your network with Exchange, so you better migrate to that too. Then you will be needing some tools to build applications that work with all the great MS software you have, because you cant make anything compatible without them, since none of the software MS is offering is open source. Next thing you know, most of the software you use is propritory MS garbage.
I thought the best thing about Linux was that it and most of the software you can use on it is open-source stuff. I don't understand how anyone could be wanting MS in the Linux arena - I thought MS was what we were trying to get away from.
I guess this marks the main difference between the newbies (who are only after mainstreaming Linux) and the more seasoned users (who just want good, open source software).
Just a thought before hitting the coffee...
--SONET
Re:Mozilla... Is it even worth the download? (Score:1)
Re:Mozilla... Is it even worth the download? (Score:5)
You check the fact that your offered the option to grab M6 w/ the FullCircle bug-logging program? I'm no programmer, so I can't give much to open source projects except my good wishes, until now.
If there's one thing I AM able to do, it's lock up Netscape like a finger trap, almost 2 or more times every day. (I surf a lot
So if I use a pre alpha (not EVEN ready for prime time) browser, I know I can fry it on a regular basis. Generating lots of bug reports.. which lead to a better OS browser, which helps people.
So if altruism is your thing, hey you could do worse than to loan a few extra cpu cycles to a nice little project... even if your not as hard on software as me.
~grell
grell_@hotmail.com
Wasurenaide - doko e itte
mo soko ni iru yo.
Weird problems with M6 (Score:1)
Re:Mozilla... Is it even worth the download? (Score:1)
You've got me thinking, now: What is it that is wrong with your PC that causes Netscape to crash so much OR, what the heck am I doing "right" to cause it to NOT crash?!!?
European mirror (Score:3)
Hmmmm... (Score:1)
the first time ever, and seems slower (certainly mozilla-viewer.sh is heading towards snail like, IMHO, and run-mozilla.sh doesn't feel as fast as the last version).
Anyone else experiencing this, or do I kick my system a few times until it decides to play nicely?