Linux and Gnome Go to the Movies 203
brandonj writes "Looks like the new movie, Antitrust, will be using GNOME as their desktop in the movie. Here are screenshots and the Antitrust movie homepage is here. The movie will in theaters January 12." The website has a little bio for Maddog and Miguel.
QT "interviews" w/ miguel, too... (Score:2)
it is a very strange site, but I really like Tim Robbins, so perhaps it'll be interesting...
2001-01-04 16:16:01 Gnome goes Hollywood! (articles,gnome) (rejected)
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RSA Data security? (Score:1)
Its just money... (Score:1)
Cheap software that can easily be made to look like its doing something important and is also free of any weird legal entanglements. Who would've thought they'd choose *NIX?
Besides Linux has all those WMs that look so *high tech*.
FunOne
Re:So... (Score:4)
I personally found it humorous that the movie's producers seem to be aiming for the geek market, but apparently ommitted a Linux version of the screen saver. [antitrustthemovie.com] Think someone will throw a fit about this? :)
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Re:NURV vs NERV (Score:1)
Re:This is UNIX! I know this (Score:1)
Who said anything about Linux? (Score:1)
Re:Well, gorsh darnit! Hyuk!! (Score:1)
NURV vs NERV (Score:1)
Re:Gee, you think they're aiming for the geek mark (Score:1)
Oh joy, more beautiful people portraying hackers.
Ever since the dashing Matthew Broderick hacked W.O.P.R., hollywood has just fawned all over them lovable nerds. When are we going to see some real computer geeks depicted the way they really look (besides the "Mr Potato Head! Back doors are NOT secrets" duo). For every dozen Keanu Reeves and Sandra Bullock flicks, there needs to be at least one "Revenge of the Nerds" to really nail reality of it.
And don't none of you purdee pierced gothy gen-y Linux dorks start emailing me pictures of your beautiful hairless chins, I believe you.
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Re:Its not Gnome (Score:3)
Let's take a solid example. Let's say that the person working on the screen is supposed to click on a link and then go to a shell window and run a command.
Take 1: Click on the link. Browser is sluggish for no obvious reason, ruins shot.
Take 2: Click on the link. Page comes up, click on text window to bring it to foregroud, but actor misses and brings wrong text window up. Ruins shot.
Take 3: Launch PC running GNOME out window and install Mac (with PC-like keyboard and monitor) running Director. Actor screws up line.
Takes 4-10: Actors get it right, but director want's additional coverage.
I hope this clears it up....
Re:Its not Gnome (Score:3)
Its screenshots of Gnome, doctored up by a graphic designer and written into director-style animations, so all the actor needs to do to interact with it is hit a key to go to the next frame or animation sequence.
Actually, the computer industry is moving away from that practice and moving towards hacker doubles: CS majors who take the actor's place when he/she is at the keyboard. We already saw this in The Net... It *looks* like Sandra Bullock sitting in front of the computer, but in fact, it's Alan Cox.
He was wearing make-up. And a hat. Not the usual one. One Sandra Bullock might wear. Were you fooled too?
Re:This is UNIX! I know this (Score:1)
treke
Strange they will be using RSA Smartcards too (Score:2)
Ian
Re:Real hackers use Macs, don't you know? (Score:1)
(Quadra 800, IIci, SE/30)
*Sigh* (Score:1)
" iF I EVER MeEt You, cAn I TWIST YoUr TITS? "
Geeze... And people wonder that there are so few female geeks?
BeIA in 6th Day (Score:2)
"... The fridge was shown twice during the movie, once in the beginning where Arnie tried to get some milk off the fridge and then he just
clicked some buttons on the touch screen and once near the end, when the "bad guys" went there to find Arnie, but they couldn't find him around. BUT, the IA
'betrayed' Arnie, because it was written on it his "Schedule of the Day", so they knew where to find him..."
Get the article here from BeNews [benews.com]
Yea, you don't care. Go ahead and -1 Offtopic it, see if I care
Re:whah?? (Score:1)
~luge
Re:Gee, you think they're aiming for the geek mark (Score:1)
I'm also an Mac-using artist (FD Painter is too good to give up)
I guess this movie will be the perfect date flick for me and my hand!
see the rooms (Score:1)
GNOME in the movies (Score:1)
How do they know its Linux? (Score:5)
Re:Stupid.. (Score:1)
Re:It's not Linux... (Score:1)
Re:Windows Code (Score:1)
Actually, not all Windows code is written using Hungarian. I'm a Windows programmer by day, and refuse to use Hungarian. From what I've seen, a lot of Windows programmers simply adapt sample code taken from MSDN, and so they either get used to Hungarian or like it (!). Personally, I prefer to write code from scratch, using my own style.
As observed by J. M. Newcomer, languages that embed type information in the name (like early BASIC or FORTRAN) have either disappeared or changed. He also notes that problems occur when a variable's type is changed, since the name must be changed everywhere it is used. This is why we get the confusingly named wParam in Win32 window procedures (it's confusing because the w prefix implies it is a WORD type, whereas it is actually a LONG type).
It's not Linux... (Score:1)
What does that tell you? It tells me that they're running GNOME on Solaris. Why is it that anytime you see GNOME or KDE or whatever on television, you always assume that Linux is running under it? Remember that GNOME runs on just about every UNIX. In this case, it's Solaris. So next time, don't get too excited and assume that it's Linux.
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Oh my.... (Score:1)
Re:whah?? (Score:1)
an over glorified script kiddy movie (Score:1)
As for the shots being Linux in the movie, I highly doubt this. There probably isn't any kind of operating system running in that sense and the monitors are just connected to a video deck which advances frames on director cues. I doubt Linux is ever functionally used in this movie at all, albeit a good deal of the movie may be about it.
Re:Wait, don't the movie producers have to pay? (Score:2)
This is hardly surprising considering that this movie's badguy, like the badguy in 'Tomorrow Never Dies' could easily called 'Bill' with no change to the plot. Regardless of how you feel about him, a *lot* of people are uncomfortable with how much power this man really has in the world, and are wont to satirize him.
Windows Code (Score:4)
Is it just me, or did anyone else notice the Windows code in the screenshots? I.e., "GetDlgItemText(hDlg...)"
GNOME on Windows? (Score:1)
Re:Wait, don't the movie producers have to pay? (Score:2)
Rich
Re:Its not Gnome (Score:1)
"The limit goes to zero!"
"Take the second derivative!"
and so on.
Computer Science building (Score:1)
Re:Filmed in Vancouver at UBC (Score:1)
trailer parks and strip clubs were?
Re:This is UNIX! I know this (Score:1)
What reason would an ad company have for promoting something other than the Macs they love? Unless they're specifically asked to use Windows screenshots (and the corporate people paying for the ads generally don't know the difference anyway), they'd rather show their Mac desktops.
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Re:How do they know its Linux? (Score:2)
Absolutely! In fact, according to the "about the production [antitrustthemovie.com]" section on the movie's website, Gnome is an entire operating system! Wow!
(See last sentence of second paragraph on this page [antitrustthemovie.com]) - "Miguel de Icaza from Mexico, originator of Gnome, another open source operating system." (emphasis mine)
Re:Worry not, us KDE folk willbe picketing the mov (Score:1)
Why Gnome instead of Whistler? (Score:2)
Wait a sec... (Score:2)
So, let me get this straight - the company whose founder is trying to take over the whole digital world (or so it seems from the trailers) is using Free Software to do it?!?! My God, what have we done?
I guess the prognosticators who said Red Hat would become the new Microsoft weren't that far off after all...
Java webserver! (Score:1)
Are they into Sun or what? I bet it's GNOME on Solaris...
Re:It's nice, but it didn't help Level 9 (Score:2)
Re:whah?? (Score:1)
not all that true to the "movement" (Score:5)
"yeah bill, i've got my interview on the web!" - "where, mig?" - "right here, but damn hold on, gotta install windows first."
riiiight...
Biography links (Score:2)
John "Maddog" Hall [antitrustthemovie.com]
Miguel de Icaza [antitrustthemovie.com]
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Check out the Jon Hall Interview (Score:2)
Re:It's nice, but it didn't help Level 9 (Score:2)
If, by saying thanks, you mean watching a TV show or movie that we would otherwise find boring just because it features Linux, then you are correct.
Is it neat to hear that Linux has made it into a visible role in the entertainment industry? Sure. Is it enough to make me devote an hour of my time every week? Sorry -- I got over the "Whoa! They're using Linux." thrill long ago.
Re:It's nice, but it didn't help Level 9 (Score:2)
Besides, unless you have one of those Nielsen boxes in your home, it's not like anyone knows or cares what you're watching anyway. you may as wewll sit in your bathroom repeating "use Linux" over and over.
Rich
Re:[OT] Nielsen boxes and TiVo (Score:2)
Rich
Re: (Score:2)
Re:This is UNIX! I know this (Score:2)
Your comment would be funny, except its not. According to the second part of the quote, the girl apparently already knew UNIX, thus the movie says nothing about its intuitiveness. I hate being anal-retentive, but your oversight more or less ruins the joke. (I am dead serious here)
Relief... (Score:2)
This is weird because the majority of all movies that I see, they are using either Macintoshes or some sort of clone when they have a computer. I can't think of any movie I've seen where they have used Windows. (Except for "You've Got Mail" but that movie doesn't count)
I know Eunuchs! (Score:2)
really? How'd they get that way? motorcycle accident with the gas cap? broken bicycle seat? only job available was to guard the Sultan's harem?
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
Well, gorsh darnit! Hyuk!! (Score:2)
I ain't been this excited since the Fat Boys starred in The Disorderlies and they featured an Amiga 1000 on screen!!!
Of course, it turns out that the Amiga 1000's 5.5v keyboard is explosive when wet, if movies are to be believed.
Linux can't do everything. (Score:2)
Re:Burn, Hollywood, Burn! (Score:3)
>>> Sarcasm mdoe off
You're kidding, right? (Score:2)
You tell me how this [microsoft.com] code is easier to read than this [gtk.org] code.
I show these examples to a lot of people (mostly casual coders) and not one tells me that Microsoft's official Hungarian style is easier to read.
I will admit that a simple prefix makes things easier to read, but stuff like rgbsyHash is garbage.
Re:Worry not, us KDE folk willbe picketing the mov (Score:2)
http://www.all-day-breakfast.com/wm2/
There was another even more different WM I saw recently, where you have one main window at a time, with mini-windows for your non-focused ones. I don't think I could have gotten used to it though.
Re:How do they know its Linux? (Score:2)
Re:How do they know its Linux? (Score:2)
Just because it's running GNOME doesn't necessarily mean its underlying OS must be Linux. It could just as easily be Solaris, NetBSD, OpenBSD, BSD/OS, FreeBSD, HP-UX, or any other platform which GNOME runs on. Claiming it is Linux just by GNOME is highly erroneous.
While what you said is true, there is more proof on the site that leads towards the idea of it being linux underneath. Specifically, if you look at www.antitrustthemovie.com/special/special.html [antitrustthemovie.com], you find that they mention linux quite frequently. The would seem to lead to the conclusion that it is, in fact, linux underneath.
Of course, this doesn't prove it, but it does supply fairly strong evidence to that end.
*shrugs* I could be wrong. :P
Uhh "comparing files" (Score:2)
Re:Its not Gnome (Score:2)
I haven't had a chance to research the movie much, but maybe the director is a linux (well, unix/gnome) buff and thought "hey, it'd be cool to use this in a movie instead of that obviously fake stuff everyone else has!". A minor point to most people, but it does (or could) raise the film up a bit more in the minds of geeks like us.
Even if they are doctored images, why are they doctored to look like the real thing, instead of the bastardizations that are normally seen, with 2" fonts and big flashing access denie messages? Seems to me if they were going to fake it they could make it look a lot cooler than the default gnome desktop...
Seen a little bit of everything (Score:3)
computer screen shots.
You've Got Mail had the typist reading their mail
out loud to themselves.
Jurassic Park #1 used VR flythoughs on a Silicon
Graphics with Connection Machines in the background.
War Games had speaking computer terminals.
Original Star Trek has a feminine speaking computer. However, Spock always seems to be looking
into a oscilloscope hood for readouts.
2001: Space Oddessy was most prescient. They had
video monitor graphics before computer graphics images was invented. The best at the time was stoking lines on an oscilloscope display.
Mac's in the movies (Score:2)
Remember Hackers where everyone was using a Mac? Or The Net where every computer must have had a 3D card and a T3? Hollywood is so full of shit.
finding definitions/var types Re:Windows Code (Score:3)
Hungarian notation is ugly on an aesthetic level. This alone however is not enough to condemn it's usage.
There are however, better ways for a programer to find out the type of a variable or the definition of a function, namely just run ctags on all your code, and then use an editor that supports tag-based navigation (vim and emacs do, off the top of my head). This allows you to effortlessly jump to the thing's original spot o' definition, and back to where you were. I dare say this is easier to use (no decoding xyLDsTRdyQvariable_name anymore)... ;-)
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Miguel presents the award... (Score:2)
The link is here [antitrustthemovie.com]. (See the last paragraph at the bottom of the page).
Re:It's nice, but it didn't help Level 9 (Score:2)
This is kind of a different animal, isn't it? If there were redhat logos or some other readily identifiable image to create an advert 'impression', then yeah, I would probably agree. But this is a glimpse of a desktop that probably only people who are already familiar with will recognize. I don't think it's the same thing as having Kramer carry around a bucket of KFC.
Re:This is UNIX! I know this (Score:2)
The other repliers are all correct WRT it wasn't linux, it was IRIX, probably running on a Crimson (was the indy available then?). The program was called fsn [sgi.com] and you can run it if you have a machine running IRIX 4.0.1 through 5.3.
It's interesting, becuase the childrens' interaction with the computer system got a lot of space in the book (proportionally way more than, what, 30 seconds or so in the movie). They actually had "screenshots" (in a sort of ncurses-ish way) in there to show what the kids were doing. Pretty interesting. (of course as a whole the book was a lot better than the movie but isn't that always the case?)
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Re:This is UNIX! I know this (Score:2)
renders your file-system as 3d columns, where the ehight of the column has something to do with the size of the file/directory. You fly around in the fs and can click on things.
Re:Its not Gnome (Score:2)
Oh man, I hope I never acutally pay to see a movie where I watch someone code. Oh crap, he didn't terminate his statement, the killer is going to get him now......
Linus and I (ahem) disagree ... (Score:2)
I don't hate to admit it, I don't have to. I hate it. It's a personal preference thing - some (very few) like it, the majority don't. In fact, I've yet to see the source to a GPL'ed program which uses Hungarian Notation. Counter examples welcome.
Mr Torvalds' personal perference can be found in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/CodingStyle:
C is a Spartan language, and so should your naming be. Unlike Modula-2 and Pascal programmers, C programmers do not use cute names like ThisVariableIsATemporaryCounter. A C programmer would call that variable "tmp", which is much easier to write, and not the least more difficult to understand.
Encoding the type of a function into the name (so-called Hungarian notation) is brain damaged - the compiler knows the types anyway and can check those, and it only confuses the programmer. No wonder MicroSoft makes buggy programs.
Re:Wait, don't the movie producers have to pay? (Score:2)
Re:In an ironic twist... (Score:2)
I have had problems with the "UMP" and "Plugger" MIDI players causing my browser to crash. Disable those plugins and you should be OK.
Wow. (Score:2)
Re:This is UNIX! I know this (Score:2)
Re:It's nice, but it didn't help Level 9 (Score:2)
I'd suspect that you're kinda wrong about this one. Computer makers (I'm talking mostly hardware here) pour big bucks into television for product placement. Every computer on ER has a Gateway logo on it. Every time someone on that show is putting something into a box, it's got cow spots. Drew Carrey hauls an i-book around with him on his shows. Guess what... It's not an accident. Someone must think that it's worth the money.
On the other hand, graphic designers love macs. Pretty much every (screen shot|simulated screen shot|I want this to look high tech) graphic you see in print ads has MacOS widgets in it. You even see this in ads for MS products sometimes. Overall, I'd that that that hasn't convinced all that many people to switch from windows.
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whah?? (Score:2)
Re:And the trailer... (Score:2)
ftp://jk1.net/pub/antitrust.mpg [jk1.net]
Unfortunately, the MPEG version is 26 megs. Doh!
Re:Windows Code (Score:3)
Hungarian Notation: Hungarian Notation is the tactical nuclear weapon of source code obfuscation techniques; use it! Due to the sheer volume of source code contaminated by this idiom nothing can kill a maintenance engineer faster than a well planned Hungarian Notation attack.
--locust
Too bad it looks like it will be a crappy movie (Score:4)
Warning: rant starting
Tim Robbins was great in The Shawshank Redemption and all, but I have a hard time believing that idiot could run a neighborhood reading group, let alone be an Evil Corporate Execitive. In the scenes shown during the previews, he does everything short of mustache twirling to make sure you know he is a bad guy.
Just once, it would be nice to see a high-tech thriller that is not completely built around the Baby Boom Generation's irrational fear of computers, corporations, and/or suburban life.
What these Hollywood dicks fail to see is that normal Americans, especially young people who go to a lot of movies, don't fear technology. At all. Even if some nefarious Evil CEO(TM) wanted to sneak a camera into my PC, how would an actual hacker kid react? "Yay! Free camera! I bet I can hack this!"
Out here in the real world, corporations don't give a shit about who you are our what you are doing. They only care about what they can sell you and how much you will pay for it.
Every year, Hollywood makes another crop of movies to tell us that the Star Chambers of Wall Street are out to destroy us... but most of us know that Corporation is the river by which wealth and prosperity flow to us. Without corporations, there would be no Hollywood productions to complain about them, and no customers with enough money to go to the movies. So shut the hell up, Tim Robbins. Nobody cares about what frightens you.
Re:So... (Score:2)
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Is it me, or is this a little strange... (Score:2)
Heavy UNIX ties...
Gnome Desktop...
and a trailer in a format that can't be played on UNIX.
Maybe they're just trying to make a point...
It's 1992 all over again (Score:2)
So... (Score:4)
End the insanity!
47.5% Slashdot Pure(52.5% Corrupt)
Its not Gnome (Score:5)
This is good for Linux, if unexpected! (Score:3)
Usually in films it is the big commercial offerings that get this sort of product placement, and the Directors don't mind, because expensive things are sexy status symbols (I fell for my last boyfriend because fo his car, so it is probably a bad mistake to make ;).
But for Linux, it is important that it try and be sexy to appeal to the vacant audience that Windows and Macintosh so succesfully manages. When it gets sexy enough, lots more people should start using it. People are stupid that way ;)
Re:whah?? (Score:4)
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Ian Peters
Re:This is UNIX! I know this (Score:2)
Gee, you think they're aiming for the geek market? (Score:5)
Let's see. The movie is being put out, in part, by RSA Security Systems; the script involves a dashing young computer geek with an artist girlfriend; and the GNOME shots, with a possible Miguel cameo, get the Slashdot crowd.
Do you think they may be aiming for a certain demographic? Hm?
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Re:Biography links (Score:2)
karma [talamasca.org]
frozen [purdue.edu]
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Re:Why Gnome instead of Whistler? (Score:2)
a) a small budget
b) someone under payroll in the props department who had used Linux/GNOME before and could customize the hell out of it to get the look they were after.
I'd guess b. Besides, Gnome/Linux's Openness lends itself nicely to customizations, something the producers wouldn't have been able to do under Windows, aside from changing the background image and bar location.
Re:Windows Code (Score:2)
eheh I'm torn tho, because while W. Richard Stevens is my hero, I can't stand to read his code
Deh... MGM? (Score:5)
It's... It's...
Re:Gee, you think they're aiming for the geek mark (Score:2)
Mike.
Burn, Hollywood, Burn! (Score:3)
Remember that the dollars you give the studio when you go to the theatre are being used to lobby for laws like the DMCA, wage lawsuits like MPAA vs. Eric Corley, and lobby the FCC on copy-controls for digital broadcasts (just to name a few of the more well-known examples of the ways the MPAA members are attempting to limit your freedom).
Let's not give these pricks the chance to use our own money against us.
-Isaac
Finally it's out! (Score:3)
You see, it was filmed on the campus of the University of Britich Columbia in Vancouver, BC, Canada. It was quite entertaining watching them film it. We all got a good laugh over the giant monitor and keyboard sticking out of the ground by one of the arts buildings.
As well, the large white building with the glowing "Computer Science Department" sign is actually our CS department! Unfortunately they didn't leave that nice glowing sign. =)
Anyhow, it sounds like a typical lame movie plot line, but who knows, it could actually turn out to be cool!
We're definately going to see it when it comes out, and will be playing "spot the UBC building" through the entire movie.
Cool to see Gnome was used in it too! I only wish we actually HAD linux machines available for student use.... well, we will in about 2 months, but that's another story. =)
antarctican at trams dot ca
I've often said... (Score:2)
Re:This is UNIX! I know this (Score:4)
Yeah i remember that line, its funny though, the girl in jurrassic park identified unix by looking at a 3rd party GUI tool running on linux and immediately identified it as unix. She was then able to immediately use that application to achieve tasks that the systems designers couldnt do 5 minutes earlier, seems all unix apps are intuitive after all.
Re:It's nice, but it didn't help Level 9 (Score:2)
"Do our part to say thanks"?
who gives a shit what desktop environment is being used in a television program or movie? It's now the civic responsibility of geeks to midlessly support any tripe that happens to include a computer with linux running in the background? Get a life.
Hint: nobody chooses their next OS based on what they saw someone in some crappy movie/tv-show using.
And Antitrust looks like a shitty movie. Despite having Tim Robbins in it. Gnome or no Gnome.
/bluesninja