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Open Source Directory 51

Anonymous Coward writes: "I saw this article on NewsForge. It looks like these guys are going to stop preaching to the converted & start showing off open source software to those who need showing of to." I usually figure that if it isn't in Debian unstable, I don't need it. :) But perhaps this site will be useful to people once it has some submissions.
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  • by Anonymous Coward
    How could [slashdot.org]you miss Linux Stuff [linuxstuff.co.uk]?! They are UK's largest Open Source website!
  • hey, you don't like it, adjust your thresh hold higher to read the k5 wannabe posts that reek of pompous self-agrandisement. otherwise, wallow in the crapflood and troll spam with the rest of us, okay?


    any typos or other obvious errors in my post are due to the alcoholic nature of the blood flowing into my fingers.

  • Why oh why did they have to use br to break each line of the paragraphs rather than simply enclosing the whole paragraphs in p tags?

    The site looks like crap in Konqueror with a narrow window. Each paragraph has a full line and then a line with only one word and then a break.

    Then there's the comment in the irc log:

    danoo: Hell yeah! The new look is sweet, it renders fast
    danoo: and it works on all browser/platform variations I
    danoo: use! Thumbs up!


    Sheesh.

  • I find it very strange that there is no place to put the Linux kernel, or MACH for that matter. I guess it's not really Open Source.
  • The FSF has a Free Software Directory that also wants to list all Free Software that exists.
  • Man, if Stallman heard you confuse Free Software with Open Source, he'd box your ear! And make you say GNU/Linux fifty times aloud for pennance.
  • by debaere ( 94918 )
    Isn't this what Eric S Raymond has been doing for the past few years?

    DOS is dead, and no one cares...

  • It would rock if people would stop making lists of Open Source/Free Software and start finding ways to convince people with money that there are ways to make more money using Open Source/Free software, so that we can use money instead of lists to fund development.

    Making lists is fun, though, and probably passes the time.

  • Perhaps that's why Slashdot seems to have horrendous response times

    I don't think so. Many consider the `unstable' branch of Debian GNU/Linux to be more stable than a certain popular commercial Linux OS [redhat.com]. The `testing' branch is where the truly less-than-stable software resides.

  • I can't believe it. Someone finally made a website [opensourcedirectory.org] with a worse color scheme than hotbot [hotbot.com].

    I'd love to put myself out of this misery, but my retinas just detached and I can't find my gun.

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  • Hey, thanks for the information. Again, I wish you guys the best of luck. I might have something to submit, but I don't know if it's good enough or not. (I guess I'd feel as though I were bragging if I submitted it to you guys (or to any software directory, for that matter).)

    Again, best of luck!

    --

  • Hey, thanks for the information. I suppose I ought to create a Freshmeat account -- I just haven't bothered to do so yet.

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  • I think you have that backwards. When Debian split into *three* branches, the testing branch was intended as a middle ground between stable (rock solid) and unstable. n'est pas?

  • Would someone mind letting me in on what the are doing that sourceforge isn't ?

    Seriously, its the same SF code, 90% of the same layout. 99.9% less projects .... I am not impressed what so ever. So, if I setup a SF site, break the layout a little, give it a catchy name. Will I appear on /. as well ?


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  • Well, I don't know about that. I'm probably more "computer nerd" than 98% of the population, and it's still too hard. I'm far more productive with Windows 2000 - that's not a slam, it's a fact.

    After investing some time learning Mandrake, I was able to get Apache serving some pages, but I was never able to figure out how to acquire, compile, and install programs.

    The multi-user concept is fine and necessary, but there needs to be an easy, single user, distro that you can install in idiot mode. I shouldn't have to research the refresh rate of a monitor in order to install a consumer OS.
  • Yeah, great idea! Instead of making more lists of free software no one can figure out how to use, they could pay programmers to actually PROGRAM software that a normal person can understand.

    Amazing!

  • yes, and that cleverness is so pretty obvious to the enduser that he will be appalled. If the list is really comprehensive and good the maintainers could ask for a small subscription fee and return profits back to the authors proportionally to the frequency an author's software was downloaded. To me that list would be very helpful for newcomers and endusers to open source code software.
  • by blab ( 214849 )
    ESR told us (me at the time) that OSI would be interested in an "open source directory" it evolved into what it is now.

    -Spaceman

  • Our target audience will be those who are new to open-source. The audience now is the developers...to get them to come list their products.

    We feel our focus is much different than FM. The directory is just the first step.

    Spelling mistakes?? We could have polished it up a bit more, but felt it important just to get the infrastructure up & running then go. We'll be fixing stuff like that now.

    tHakn s, -Spaceman

  • 1. There are more now.

    2. The irc logs have done a pretty good job. A better faq will come out to answer emails & posts we're been answering personally.

    3. That's not a windows bash per se. But many coming over from closed software pretty much leave windows. Fair Comment.

    -Steve

  • Perhaps that's why Slashdot seems to have horrendous response times every once in a while.

    Yeah that's debian's fault not apache, mysql, perl or the millions upon millions of /. users. Perhaps it's the Linux kernel, or perhaps we shouldn't be cracking on software which is essentially the same on all Linux distro's. By all means continue blabbering about how "j00r d1str0 sUkz" it's quite productive.
    -1 Flamebait
  • I looked at the why "we are not Freshmeat" article. It seems the difference is that they _only_ show "open source" software.

    But how open is open? - they don't seem to say what definition they are using! GPL only? (unlikely since they say open and not free), BSD? Various other "open" licences that may be subject to argument. And why would I want to look at a subset of the Freshmeat directory anyway? - I can ignore the non-free software if I am so biased. I beleive you can search by license on Freshmeat if you are so inclined.

    Actually, I appreciate they may need time to sort these issues out, and perhaps this site will have value. Anyway, Galeon is driving me up the wall by jumping around the page while I type! Arrrghhh - is this fixed in Mozilla 0.8.1?? Maybe I should look it up in opensourcedirectory.org :-)

  • I believe it was the bandwidth requirement of tracking Debian unstable being refered to.
  • The basic idea of the site is to provide one hub where someone will know the software they are looking at is open-source and is developed to the point it should work.

    Well I guess this site excludes gnome and the previously mentioned "Hello World" program from the list =)
  • I usually figure that if it isn't in Debian unstable, I don't need it. :)

    apt-get pr0n
  • not a chance...
  • You really need to improve the "Why we are not forking Freshmeat!" page. IRC logs are generally indecipherable to me, and that one more than most. If you have something to say, say it.

    It also doesn't answer the question: how is Open-Source Directory anything more than a slightly less-Unix, slightly more-OSS, version of Freshmeat? No, they aren't the same, but I fail to see the significant difference. There is Windows software [freshmeat.net] on Freshmeat, and you can view just the Free software, if that's all you are interested in. I'm not worried about OSD dilluting Freshmeat -- mostly because I really don't see why someone would look on OSD instead of Freshmeat, or why someone would post their app there.

    You could also push forward a well-organized directory of OSS under the Open Directory [dmoz.org]... then people would really be likely to see it, even if they didn't know to look for it.

  • It's nice to see that the folks at this Open Source Directory are modeling the software categories after Sourceforge [sourceforge.net]'.s Software/application taxonomies typically vary from site-to-site and distribution-to-distribution. While I appreciate that all the site maintainers out there take time to organize information about software applications, the diversity makes it difficult to synthesize materials from multiple sources. I applaud this directory's deference to a previously-existing taxonomy.

    A while back, I started creating a list of software categorization schemes/systems relevent to Linuxland:

    http://freshmeat.net/browse/627/ [freshmeat.net]
    http://apps.kde.com/na/2/categories&nav=f [kde.com]
    http://sourceforge.net/softwaremap/trove_list.php [sourceforge.net]
    http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/ [dmoz.org]
    http://dir.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Softwa re/ [yahoo.com]
    http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/ binary-i386/ [debian.org]
    ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/ [ibiblio.org]
    http://www.gnu.org/gnulist/production/index.html [gnu.org]
    http://www.userfriendly.net/linux/RPM/Groups.html [userfriendly.net]
    http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-category/ [cpan.org]
    http://www.freebsd.org/ports/ [freebsd.org]
    ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/media- types/media-types [isi.edu]
    http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ [pathname.com]
    http://www.labs.redhat.com/gug/users-guide/main-me nu.html [redhat.com]
    http://www.linux.com/links/Software/ [linux.com]
  • Okay, so it's yet another software registry, with yet another proprietary interface for posting package information (XML DTD, anyone?), that intends to do exactly the same thing as Freshmeat, except that they won't allow entries for software under non-OSD licenses, and they won't allow entries for unstable packages.

    Freshmeat isn't so great. The filtering and search interface is terrible--but it is there and the data is categorized properly. A site with a more flexible way of getting at it would be a major improvement. This new site doesn't improve on Freshmeat, though. Indeed, its interface for filtering a browse is identical.

    All they're doing differently from Freshmeat, in fact, is not allowing entries for non-OSD-compliant software.

    So let me get this straight: they're hoping to raise awareness of open-source software by publishing a directory that's just like Freshmeat, except that it's less useful thanks to a dogmatic editorial policy.
  • dmoz.org [dmoz.org]

    Sorry..
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  • That comment struck me as well. How do apps get into Debian? Either the author is a Debian packager, or a Debian packager uses that app. Either way, the relatively small number of packagers almost guarantees that they'll be overworked and behind schedule. It's still a good system, better than most other Linux packaging teams. But no system is perfect.

    Directories like freshmeat, sourceforge and opensourcedirectory allow the software authors themselves to make announcements, upload updates, etc. And it makes it easier for Debian packagers to keep on top of things.

    If TacoBoy only uses what's in Debian unstable, then he's missing out on a whole world of possibilities.
  • This is all well and good. I'm glad there will be a repository for Open software I can use on my personal and small business projects.

    Note I say *small* business projects. I use OSS solutions when I can - it's less expensive for my clients (and usually more stable). The problem I run into is when working with mid-sized companies.

    I have had proposals approved with the condition that I use a stable, mature and commercially supported development environment. They want VB or ASP over PHP and perl.

    I know the arguement - it really doesn't matter, and the support *is* out there. Unfortunatly managers get it in their head that either: Microsoft==Quality (insert fav. commercial IDE).

    I really don't have a problem with their requirements since I get paid either way. It's usually my customers who get stuck with license problems.

    My point is, instead of making a directory to all the software - spend MORE ENERGY "selling" the idea to people where OSS doesn't have (m)any in roads currently.

    This is something I still don't see much at all.

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  • There are two project pages so far and it looks like they have some good slots for info that is frequently left off of project home pages. Conflicts, fixes, similar projects...

    One thing I would really like to see for OS projects is a dependency tracker (esp. when trying to compile from source). I don't know how many times I have been thwarted while trying to compile promissing code because the config script failed to find libxyz. After searching for an hour, I find the source to libxyz and find that it requires libqrs (and so on). Or, nearly as irritating, the original project page announces where to find libxyz, but its developers fail to document libxyz's dependencies.

    I'm as bad as everyone else when it comes to documenting dependencies in my own code, but it would sure be nice if there was a convenient way to document and cross-reference this kind of stuff.

  • THIS STORY IS NOW OFFICIALY CLOSED

    Who do you think you are? Dem Bones [everything2.com] of E2 trying to close a "getting to know you" node [everything2.com]?

  • Why the needless Windows bashing? Is it that impossible to think that people can develop open source programs for Windows???

    Except there's a section [opensourcedirectory.org] on that directory dedicated to apps that run on MS-DOS and/or Microsoft Windows.

  • isn't dmoz.org's software open? I know its content is.

    dmoz's content is NOT free documentation [gnu.org] because its license restricts your freedom to redistribute an older snapshot of the directory.

  • Where is the 'Kernel' topic? I find it very strange that there is no place to put the Linux kernel, or MACH for that matter.

    The "Operating System Kernels" category in the directory is right HERE [opensourcedirectory.org], waiting for OpenBSD's audited kernel and a Linux kernel stripped of experimental features to be added.

  • We spend time here and on other forums like this with others that think exactly like us. That doesn't work and creates an attitude of 'see, they only care about their own solutions, not those of the company' etc.

    Maybe more should get into mainstream commercials and advertising. SGI, IBM, and RedHat are the only ones I've seen in the mainstream.

    Spend less time trying to convince those who are already here and more on showing the non-geeks the benefits.

    DanH
    Cav Pilot's Reference Page [cavalrypilot.com]
  • I usually figure that if it isn't in Debian unstable, I don't need it

    Perhaps that's why Slashdot seems to have horrendous response times every once in a while.

  • I have had proposals approved with the condition that I use a stable, mature and commercially supported development environment. They want VB or ASP over PHP and perl.

    Commercially supported, I can almost agree with. But "stable" and "mature"? Perl has YEARS on VBScript - probably VB itself for that matter, but I don't go back that far in VB or Perl history. PHP's earliest incarnation was out and running before MS even had a webserver, if memory serves me correctly.

    Again, the commercially supported aspect almost makes sense. But if that's the main hold up, use IBM - they are getting behind open source projects, and no doubt offer support services. And I think IBM is a bit more 'stable' and 'mature' than MS.

  • I was put off immediately by the spelling of "Windows" on the site.

    Its "Windows", not "Windoze" or any other of the hundreds of creative offerings out there. Same as its "Microsoft" or "MS" and not "Microshaft", "Micro$oft" or "M$".

    For gods sake, read this section [datasync.com] in the Linux Advocacy HOWTO [datasync.com] and apply what it says.

    If we're going to advocate Linux, lets do it properly and not look like a bunch of 10 year old illiterate children. Stupid stuff like the above is more likely to do more harm than good.

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  • many times I'll see an interesting app on Freshmeat, but it's not Free
    Freshmeat has all the information to filter out non-Free or unstable (alpha/beta) software. Right now the interface isn't so great for doing those selections, but that's a much easier thing to fix than getting the data in the first place. (though, I suppose with cooperation from Freshmeat they could simply move all that information over)
  • by Sabalon ( 1684 ) on Friday April 06, 2001 @06:37PM (#309416)
    First off - there are 2 items listed as stable now. Okay...so that'll grow.

    2nd - why they are different than freshmeat - I'm sure uncomprehendable IRC logs will give people the info.

    3rd - Why the needless Windows bashing? Is it that impossible to think that people can develop open source programs for Windows???

  • by mattdm ( 1931 ) on Friday April 06, 2001 @06:03PM (#309417) Homepage
    It's a good idea, but why not just search freshmeat by license? Their new interface makes this very easy to do.

    My main impression is that the site looks very unprofessional -- poor grammar, and weird random placement of paragraphs, but beyond that, the "Why we are not Freshmeat" section isn't an explaination, but looks like an IRC log where someone just bursts in on an adminstrative discussion and without explaining what they're looking for starts asking random annoying questions.

  • by yerricde ( 125198 ) on Friday April 06, 2001 @08:35PM (#309418) Homepage Journal

    But how open is open? - they don't seem to say what definition they are using!

    Or do they? I looked in the site dics and found that OSD's definition of open source [opensourcedirectory.org] is any software under a license approved by the Open Source Initiative [opensource.org], from free GPL2, BSD2, X11, and Clarified Artistic [appwatch.com] to flawed QPL, BSD1, and Python 1.6 to too-vague-to-be-free Original Artistic. (Sources: free [gnu.org] | open [opensource.org])

  • by blab ( 214849 ) on Friday April 06, 2001 @05:23PM (#309419)
    Hi everyone. I urge anyone to view our site explanation about "why we aren't....SourceForge & Freshmeat."

    We've been extremely careful to make sure we didn't fork something. Everyone, especially at SF, has been very helpful and supportive of OpenSourceDirectory.org

    Cheers from the Great White North,

    Steve Mallett

  • by VValdo ( 10446 ) on Friday April 06, 2001 @06:39PM (#309420)
    I think the easiest way to search and navigate through multiple types of software is via a Yahoo-style selection page that moves downward into a heirarchy. Doing so makes it really easy to find what you're looking for in just three clicks or so. It's far superior to the gopher-like category lists.

    isn't dmoz.org [dzmos.org]'s software open? I know its content is.
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  • by locutus074 ( 137331 ) on Friday April 06, 2001 @05:11PM (#309421)
    We decided to build the site after a quick email to a certain higher mammal at OSI. Right now we are in the first growth stage which is to get authors to register their stable releases. Come one, come all. The basic idea of the site is to provide one hub where someone will know the software they are looking at is open-source and is developed to the point it should work.
    So who's their taget audience?

    It would seem to me that it's at least partially aimed toward businesses. It would appear that way since they want to want to "present a place for developers and endusers to find information about STABLE Open-Source products" [opensourcedirectory.org]. I wish them well, though they need to clean up their spelling mistakes [opensourcedirectory.org] and not post IRC logs as an explanation for what they do [opensourcedirectory.org]. This has the potential to be really great; many times I'll see an interesting app on Freshmeat [freshmeat.net], but it's not Free. Don't get me wrong, non-Free software has its place, but this ought to be nice, to have a place where you can go to search only stable, Free software. (Konqueror fills an important gap on the Free/Open Source side of things... all the pieces are falling into place now.)

    Good luck guys, and please take this for the constructive criticism that it's intended as.

    --

  • by Tom7 ( 102298 ) on Friday April 06, 2001 @07:50PM (#309422) Homepage Journal
    I think these guys should have waited a bit longer before appearing on slashdot et al... The site looks like ass.

    If this proposes to be the hub of stable, polished software, then the site itself should reflect that desired level of quality. Right now it looks like the home page for a shareware app.

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