HP Marries Inkjet and Robotic Technology to Cool Chips 175
An anonymous reader writes "Extremetech has an article about how H P has decided to use the spraying tech developed for inkjet printers to cool chips -- and has made a robot that'll wander around data centers, detecting too-hot chips and hosing them down." The article notes that the robot needed about 1 hour of training on the room before it would go about the business of chip cooling. The real advance would be if it achieved sentience and went crazy and became a graffiti taggin' super robot, but I digress.
the robot will be very affordable. (Score:5, Funny)
I Hate It When You Show Up (Score:2)
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http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=020807
Re:the robot will be very affordable. (Score:2)
Buzzwordmania (Score:2, Funny)
Since when does ExtremeTech use a story generator?
A lethal robot sent back from the future to... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:A lethal robot sent back from the future to... (Score:2)
I sense a new movie coming...
Girls Gone Wild 5!: Watch as Robbie The Robot hoses down all these hot coeds! :-)
I'd buy it :-)
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Consumables... (Score:4, Funny)
Coolant Cartridges - $300.00 each
Re:Consumables... (Score:4, Funny)
Of course, the ones you buy it with will be "economy" coolant cartridges and only half full, so you'll have to buy a new one almost right away...
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Actually... (Score:5, Funny)
Only kidding.
Bruce
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this is why I read
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Re:Mod him up! Mod him up! (Score:1)
Thay all got MODDED UP to 2. See, the Anonymous Coward was right.
By the way, who the hell is Bruce Perens?
(PS. For the humor impaired, part of this posting is intended as sarcasm.)
Warchalking (Score:5, Funny)
The real advance would be if it achieved sentience and went crazy and became a graffiti taggin' super robot
How about letting it wander around town looking for wireless hookups, and then marking where they are, warchalking style.
Of course, I just had a vision of this thing dressed up like a dog, going around and "marking" it's territory...
Re:Warchalking (Score:1)
--Box, Logan's Run
Patel also stated.. (Score:2, Funny)
Huh? (Score:1)
Sure, the robot removes the heatsink and then cools the chip?! uhm, i'm sorry but the time between the two actions is enough for my athlon to die
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
The robot doesn't spray anything. The ink jet based coolant is in the case against the chip.
The robot is running around finding hot spots so the AC can be adjusted.
They were only mentioned in the same article because they both revolve around HP's Datacenter Cooling technology.
Nice idea, but... (Score:1)
Mist spray is a good idea though, if they were priced well it might make a nice addition to add into existing server cases.
-Matt
Re:Nice idea, but... (Score:3, Insightful)
Oh and there's already a graffitti bot. He's over here!
Re:Nice idea, but... (Score:2)
Grafitti robot is here http://www.appliedautonomy.com/gw.html
Re:Nice idea, but... (Score:2)
But how (Score:1)
do they keep the robot from being confused by the "hot-spots" created by sysadmins in the data center viewing pr0n?
Next We'll Have CPU Cooling Cartridges (Score:5, Interesting)
This technology would require liquid cartridges to run the cooling mechanism, which would mean that every computer would require us to buy these from HP, much like printer cartridges. The lady had a rude comment about how HP was really in the business about selling consumables (like printer cartridges and soon CPU cooler cartridges) and that this was somehow a wonderful idea.
Taking advantage of a liquid-gas phase transition to cool is a great idea, but to require a proprietary chemical to do it is lame. I'm sure there are ways to do this with water, right?
Makes you wonder whether this would be better than the cheap plastic cooling fans that break down and have to be replaced all the time now.
Re:Next We'll Have CPU Cooling Cartridges (Score:1)
Re:Next We'll Have CPU Cooling Cartridges (Score:2)
Such chemical are not very complicated compound and can be OEM very easily just like people OEM the inj cartridges, provided that there's a economic drive.
However, you probably wouldn't want to do it with water, which is too corrosive.
Re:Next We'll Have CPU Cooling Cartridges (Score:2)
There are really only three ways to do phase transition cooling that make sense.
1. You can use water but lower the pressure in the gas portion of the system. This has the disadvantage of requiring low pressure fittings and whatnot, and being somewhat difficult to manufacture. Also, you'd probably need a compressor to maintain a pressure imbalance.
2. You can use Freon or whatever the replacement chemical is. This has the opposite problem of water; in order for the Freon to stay liquid, you have to have a high-pressure system. Compressor is mandatory. This would be an air conditioner with the cold coils directly on the die.
3. You can custom make a liquid coolant with a phase transition in a sane place. Like 50C or so. Rubbing Alcohol would work, but you have to be careful. Alcohol eats plastic and corrodes metals. Rubber too. So everything including your pump has to be made to withstand constant alcohol vapor. You could make a different liquid thats not so corrosive. In either case, your compressor/pump would be MUCH smaller than in the other cases.
Re:Next We'll Have CPU Cooling Cartridges (Score:2)
I can't imagine it working though. Opening up your computer every 3 months to replace a coolant cartridge is far more difficult than replacing an inkjet cartridge.
Re:Next We'll Have CPU Cooling Cartridges (Score:2)
Re:Next We'll Have CPU Cooling Cartridges (Score:2)
So, while you're at it, you might as well use a real refrigerant and actually chill the chips. Basically, this is a cool project, but seems pretty pointless. I can think of some other jobs it could do.
Kryton (Score:2, Funny)
This reminds me of the Red Dwarf series, but more precisely the books. Where Kryton the maintainence mechanoid was responsible for crashing the ship he was on because he ran out of things to clean, so he decided to give the (dusty and dirty) live computer circuit boards a good going over with soapy water and a sponge.
Let's hope they don't have any disasters.
Re:Kryton (Score:1)
Needless to say, he no longer works here. Still makes me chuckle when I think about it.
Re:Kryton (Score:2)
In my office, they probably would have made him a department head.
Global warming (Score:1)
It's just simple conservation of energy. The heat of a hot chip contributes to the overall global warming because the chip required enough energy to make it very hot, so dissipating the heat into the environment just exacerbates the global warming trend.
The answer is to make a chip that doesn't require as much energy to run and therefore doesn't dissipate as much energy into the environment.
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Convervation of kinetic energy requires that for something to lose kinetic energy (excited and fast moving ceramic particles) something else has to pick up the energy (a heat sink, the air, a finely sprayed mist). The only thing the mist is doing is efficiently exchanging kinetic energy levels with the chip.
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The answer is simple... (Score:2)
clockless cpu's. We're about to hit a wall anyways somewhere above 2.3 Ghz in which more of the CPU cycles will be spent tracking cpu cyles than actually getting work done. I'd say a basic design change is due. I've read several articles on
Re:The answer is simple... (Score:2)
However you're right, takeup is minimal, see eg this talk [sbu.ac.uk] for a description of the state of play.
Another approach that may have gone the way of the dinosaur (havent seen it make headlines on
Re:Global warming (Score:1)
BTW -- I didn't check my math too carefully, so be warned...
The robot (Score:1)
Coolio? (Score:2)
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I guess I'll wait for HP (Score:1, Funny)
The obvious extension with Sony's tech (Score:4, Funny)
Now you got a smart dog wandering around sniffing for heat, and pissing... er I mean spraying on it to put it out.
Too late (Score:1, Troll)
In fact, we've moved on to phase II [appliedautonomy.com]
Re:Too late (Score:1)
In spite of the fact that slashdot's editors got it completely wrong [hp.com] and this robot doesn't spray anything but just sends signals to the air conditioning system, this development is just one in a flood of recent advances in the robot field that will ultimately create the real-world equivalent of pop-up ads.
Re:Too late (Score:1)
</sarcasm>
Re:Too late (Score:2)
But the Street Writer and Grafitti writer are very cool uses of automation. It kinda reminds me of those silly clocks with the swinging arm and 8 or so LEDS that turn on just when you need to. Of course...it also reminds of the Dot Matrix printers. Very cool reading...thanks.
Graffiti taggin' super robot (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, not only graffiti taggin' super robots, but also graffiti taggin' super cargo van (think "A-Team") and graffiti taggin' super remote controlled cars can be found at Applied Autonomy [appliedautonomy.com]. Very cool.
Wait... (Score:2, Funny)
You know what this makes me wonder... (Score:1)
HP Marries Inkjet and Robotic Technology to... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:HP Marries Inkjet and Robotic Technology to... (Score:2, Funny)
It will then bill the intruder $100 for a replacement cartridge, $20 for the high quality photo paper used to print the bill, and $500 for the labor costs involved.
I wonder... (Score:1)
--Huck
Re:I wonder... (Score:1)
Just a little more than half the price of a new robot, of course!!
cooling robot robots? (Score:4, Funny)
Chip's generating there own power!! (Score:1)
Just think, super heated water comming of the CPU, used to run a steam powered electric generator!!!
do we really need a bot for this? (Score:1)
A solution that incorporates security (Score:2)
Different Approach... (Score:1)
Ok, one part of a chip is warmer than another part. That's why we have copper to distribute the heat. It does that, remember physics class?
What i wonder is, how are they going to identify individual parts of a chip as hotter or cooler, other than sensors all over. I'm sorry, but i can't envision the whole process being very efficient or well run right now. Personally, I'd rather try to get chips that don't need cooling, or piezoelectric fans that just go apeshit at cooling.
I've worked with people in the printer part of HP before, and they're not exactly the most efficient people out there. This sounds more like a Compaq-inspired consolidation technique, not a true engineering project.
Dilbert's boss, "so, we need some cooling in this part, right? and we have these printers that put stuff where we need it, right? why not use that thingy do help with that thingy! Make it happen!" ^Big idiot grin on face^
Dilbert, "Sigh"
Modding stories? (Score:1)
I coulda saved HP millions (Score:1)
A question. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:A question. (Score:2)
Heh, who ever thought I would be explaining old-school /. trolls to someone?
What's she got to do with hot grits?One of the older slashdot trolls/jokes was Natalie Portman (considered to be good looking by many) naked and petrified, or having hot grits poured down her pants. It is sorta part of slashdot folklore, like first post and goatse.cx.
Is it me, or do people miss MEEPT, OOG, Steven Woston, Jon Eriksson and the rest of the old school jokers and trolls? I still get a laugh out of BREAKING OPEN SOURCE CD OVER HEAD!!! :)
Obligatory "Read the Article" comment (Score:4, Insightful)
One is on the Macro scale (sorts) and the other is on the micro scale.
The robot will NOT be spraying ANYTHING!
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Would wiring really be that much more problematic than a blooming robot?
Then I thought: coolness factor.
Which is neater, an invisible system that does the job quietly and in the background, or Johnny 5 running around with a big temperature probe, shoving it behind servers?
One is responsible and efficient, the other is neat looking and will bring up subconscious images of alien anal probing.
The robot looks like overkill, but it also looks like a video game.
Of course, an hour of programming is easier than running a few thousand feet of cabling and temperature sensors, so there is the speed of instillation factor. No dust floating around from drilling holes, no additional hookups to worry about and so on.
seem to be a lot of trouble (Score:4, Interesting)
diamond have probabbly the best thermal conductivity known to man, so if you CMV a diamond layer on the chip and use that for interfacing to a copper heatsink, i would think that it would be a better idea than putting small sprayers.
liquid will vaporize and get recollected -- but it also have the problem of
1) depositing crap when it's vaporizing
2) possible diminishment of the resevior throughout the system's lifetime. i would hate to have to replace anything like this -- since they recommend direct access to the die's surface!
any impurities in the liquid can spell certain death.
Lastly, i do not foresee this being much cheaper that artificial diamond heat-interface. especially if this is done on a large scale -- it would have the side-benefit of really cheap diamonds for everything from lenses (scratch free! never breaks! ultra-light!) to screwdriver tips, etc etc.
Re:seem to be a lot of trouble (Score:1)
What gave you that idea?
Even if it were, what would be the point of a thin layer of it between the heat sink and the chip? NEWS FLASH: Diamonds are hard.
The whole point of an interfacing layer between the processor core and the heat sink is to put something mushy in there to compensate for imperfections in the surface of the chip and of the core that could cause less than 100% contact between the two.
Re:seem to be a lot of trouble (Score:2)
What gave you that idea?
I dunno what gave him that idea, but I thought it was a well [mit.edu]-known [arizona.edu] fact [bris.ac.uk].
According to the first link, the thermal conductivity of copper (in W/cm-K) is 3.937. Room-temperature diamond: 6.299. And an isotopically pure room-temperature diamond: 50. The last link claims a conductivity of 2000 W/cm-K for CVD diamond and talks about using it to cool stuff.
So I guess the more interesting question is where you got the idea that diamonds wouldn't work well for cooling.
Re:seem to be a lot of trouble (Score:2)
I wonder.... (Score:2)
Strong Bad [homestarrunner.com] wants to know!
It's a cute toy, but it's unlikely to work well (Score:1)
--CTH
the H and the P (Score:1)
...that's cute! the H points to hp.com and P points to compaq.com. hehehe =)
Holistic approach (Score:2)
On first thought, throwing mist over microprocessors, seems more like an alcoholistic idea. Anyone been to a sauna? Does not this create a new problem of increased humidity -and even worse -fluctuating temperature and relative humidity and problems resulting from that...oh, but HP makes the hardware, now they can sell double the stuff in same time, good plan
I hope it's only supplemental insurance... (Score:2)
Third-party Cartridges (Score:5, Funny)
beware the Kremlin (Score:1)
If you don't get it, don't worry. I doubt I could remember the name of this game if I tried :(
Robots (Score:1)
Hmm. Imagine this going wrong..
Gang-bangers and wannabes get hold of these and guide robotic taggers through your 'hood.
Re:Robots (Score:2)
Oh Monica! (Score:2)
Not what the article says (Score:1)
Graffiti taggin' super robots? (Score:2)
What exactly is the robot for? (Score:1)
Why do they need the robot? (Score:1)
How much do the refills cost? (Score:1)
Graffiti Robot (Score:1)
Easter Egg (Score:1)
Anyone ever hear of thermal shock? (Score:1, Insightful)
This plan would expose the equipment to super-megasize thermal shock, and would result in much lower long term reliability.
Either this is a joke, or some engineer didn't do his homework bigtime.
the same effect.. (Score:2)
Man and I was hoping for a homade sistine chapel (Score:2)
The first image that came to mind when I read that title was of a small robot, maybe the size of the martian land rover that roamed around painting large canvas's.
It's underside would have a inkjet cartridge, battery powered, and completely remote via infa red or 802.11.
You suck for not making something like this HP. I know everyone want's one.
A great breakthrough! Other applications? (Score:2)
Kick off a keg party and set the robot on AutoFill!!
Man... Now all we need is to give it a nice rack and a tight tank top :-)
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Will no one learn?! (Score:2)
It took a robot to do this? (Score:2)
Re:Nice. (Score:1)