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Mozilla Now Even Includes The Kitchen Sink 295

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zzxc writes "Mozillazine reports that a 'kitchen sink' easter egg has been added into Mozilla by a patch to bug 122411. It shows an ASCII art animated kitchen sink. This was prompted by people complaining about Mozilla's bloat - that 'it includes everything but the kitchen sink.' You can see this xhtml demo by going to about:kitchensink in a recent Mozilla nightly, or at mozilla.org with an older mozilla build. Please note that this is not actually included in the browser package, so it doesn't add to mozilla's bloat. Instead, about:kitchensink directs the user to the xml document on mozilla's website."
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Mozilla Now Even Includes The Kitchen Sink

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  • by gmuslera (3436) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @09:23AM (#5360102) Homepage Journal
    about:everything will redirect to wikipedia, google or something like that, so really will include everything.
  • by Lobsang (255003) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @09:24AM (#5360104) Homepage
    I don't care for the kitchen sink. Could you please include a car washer instead?
  • Old news... (Score:5, Funny)

    by mrselfdestrukt (149193) <nollie_A7_firstcounsel_com> on Saturday February 22, 2003 @09:26AM (#5360109) Homepage Journal
    But IE has had something like that for years. Sometimes it redirects you to a nice blue screen.
    • Re:Old news... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by lithis (5679) <sd@selg.het h r ael.org> on Saturday February 22, 2003 @09:52AM (#5360180) Homepage
      actually, it does. try about:mozilla [about] in ie.
    • Does Mozilla take you to a nice pleasant red screen then perhaps?

      Well, I know for sure MS wouldn't do easter eggs just for silly suggestions...

      • Re:Old news... (Score:3, Interesting)

        by schmink182 (540768)
        Does Mozilla take you to a nice pleasant red screen then perhaps?

        Actually, it does:

        And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a thousand thousand fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great storm shall cover the earth, and the followers of Mammon shall tremble.

        from The Book of Mozilla, 3:31 (Red Letter Edition)

  • by seelevarcuzzo (625460) <(seele) (at) (obso1337.org)> on Saturday February 22, 2003 @09:27AM (#5360112) Homepage
    if we can blame mozillas bloat on everything *including* the kitchen sink, what can we blame windows bloat on? does microsoft have an easter egg including the appliance section in best buy somewhere?
  • In IE6 (Score:4, Interesting)

    by zzxc (635106) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @09:31AM (#5360121)
    Trying this in internet explorer 6, you get:

    The XML page cannot be displayed
    Cannot view XML input using style sheet. Please correct the error and then click the Refresh button, or try again later.

    The system cannot locate the resource specified. Error processing resource 'http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd'.
    • Re:In IE6 (Score:2, Informative)

      by JohnKFisher (518955)
      Page loads fine in Safari!
    • Re:In IE6 (Score:4, Informative)

      by ptaff (165113) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @10:39AM (#5360323) Homepage
      IE has trouble with XHTML. They spend so much time making sure people don't use standards...

      Have a google search with:
      site:w3.org xhtml "cannot be displayed"

      This is an old bug, Microsoft seems to be too absorbed with DRM to care about it.
    • Re:In IE6 (Score:2, Funny)

      by da cog (531643)
      So, like, from now on if someone asks us what mozilla can do that IE can't, instead of shouting, "TABS TABS TABS!!!!", we can say, "THE KITCHEN SINK!!!"
  • by matt4077 (581118) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @09:31AM (#5360125) Homepage
    Next time, please complain "Mozilla has everything but a red light district". Can't wait for the animated xml-porn
  • Nice but... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 22, 2003 @09:35AM (#5360135)
    Does it have a garbage disposal for all those pop-ups and spam?
  • Easter Eggs (Score:5, Interesting)

    by FrostedWheat (172733) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @09:37AM (#5360137)
    Give this a go: about:mozilla [about]

    Anyone know any more of these 'features'? :)
  • Ascii art (Score:5, Interesting)

    by gmuslera (3436) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @09:37AM (#5360138) Homepage Journal
    is more than this... the kitchen sink can even be controlled by mouse turning it on and off.

    And that is ascii art is particulary appropiated, all those letters seems to be flooding mozilla zine and slashdot discussion forums.
  • by Speare (84249) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @09:42AM (#5360148) Homepage Journal

    Several releases of Emacs have also used a kitchen sink as a launcher icon.

    • The game Nethack has included kitchen sinks in its dungeons for years. I'm pretty sure that Nethack had kitchen sinks before Emacs did, and in any case, it actually has the kitchen sinks in the main code, not just in an optional icon that nobody uses any more.
  • by cetan (61150) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @09:43AM (#5360151) Journal
    The Mozilla 1.3 branch has been closed in prep. for release. There's a mention of it on Mozillazine [mozillazine.org] as well.

    The outstanding bug list has been mirrored here:
    http://www.phule.net/mirrors/bugs-2003-02-22.html [phule.net] because it's not very nice to bugzilla.mozilla to link directly to it. At least not from /. :)
    • by TheRaven64 (641858) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @10:38AM (#5360316) Journal
      How about my all time favourite mozilla bug? The 'I know counters have been part of the CSS spec for over 4 years, but we're still not going to support them' (bug 3247). To be fair, IE's support is even worse. Take a look at this page [sucs.org]. It all validates, but the only browser to render it correctly is Opera 7. (6 renders everything except the javascript.) IE and Moz both give up on the heading numbering, although they all seem to support the pagination (look at a print preview), which is nice.
    • And how about this very annoying bug?

      http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1849 33

      (Quick way to open - instead of copy/paste - if you use moz and tabs, and there is no blank space in the middle of the URL, double-click it to select, then drag to a new (or existing tab)
  • ...at least using the build I downloaded a few hours ago (Build 2003022108 on WinXP)
  • Wow (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Apreche (239272) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @09:49AM (#5360166) Homepage Journal
    I figured the first post would say

    "if you don't like the bloat, use phoenix!"

    But it didn't. Instead someone pointed out about:mozilla which has been in there since like Netscape 2 I believe, maybe even before. I can't believe it got modded up and people didn't know about it. Anyway, if you want the kitchen sink and only the kitchen sink, use phoenix. ^_^
  • another easter egg (Score:3, Interesting)

    by harks (534599) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @09:49AM (#5360168)
    in Internet Explorer, try going to about:mozilla its supposed to imply that mozilla causes BSODs. haha.
    • WRONG (Score:2, Troll)

      by benjamindees (441808)
      supposed to imply that mozilla causes BSODs

      It is "supposed" to be blue, just like everything else in Windows is blue, because Bill and his cronies are a bunch of blue-blooded capitalist tools.

      Many things (including about:mozilla) in Mozilla are red for quite the opposite reason.

      This will be modded down because neither side likes to admit their political leanings, but it's true nonetheless.

      • No, it's the result of studies on color preferences and the effect of colors on psychology.

        Surveys show that blue is the favorite color of more people than any other color. Even in this Slashdot poll on favorite color [slashdot.org], blue got over twice as many votes as green, the second-place color. And what do you know, the second most common color in Windows XP is green!

        The color blue has been shown to have a soothing effect on people. Many people experience anxiety when they try to use computers. Microsoft probably conducted extensive user testing and surveying to get just the right shades of blue. Notice also how the Windows background has blue skies and fluffy white clouds. It helps to put people at ease.

        While a BSOD is still bad, IMO it doesn't look quite as ominous as a red or black screen of death would look. On a side note, I think the BSOD color can be specified in win.ini.

  • about:mozilla (Score:5, Interesting)

    by arvindn (542080) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @09:57AM (#5360194) Homepage Journal
    In case you haven't done it yet, see "about:mozilla".

    If you're stuck on IE, here it is:

    And the beast shall be made
    legion. Its numbers shall be increased a thousand thousand fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great storm shall cover the earth, and the followers of Mammon shall tremble.


    from The Book of Mozilla, 3:31

    (Red Letter Edition)

    Also see The mozilla museum [snafu.de] and The hidden features of mozilla [rigaut.com]. Its about the old netscape, but still very enjoyable and sometimes hilarious.

  • But none of the developers could figure out why you'd need both.

    KFG
  • by back@slash (176564) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @10:24AM (#5360275)
    A million ASCII kitchen sinks flowing for a million years will produce the greatest works of literature known to man.

    "It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times!!?? You stupid kitchen sink!"
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 22, 2003 @11:12AM (#5360479)

    You can see this xhtml demo by going to about:kitchensink in a recent Mozilla nightly, or at mozilla.org with an older mozilla build. Please note that this is not actually included in the browser package, so it doesn't add to mozilla's bloat. Instead, about:kitchensink directs the user to the xml document on mozilla's website.

    No, it doesn't. If you read the later comments in the bug, you'll see that drivers@mozilla.org (the project managers) have vetoed about:kitchensink. It's not likely to get into Mozilla unless the patch can be modified so it only affects Mozilla (right now it affects most Mozilla-based browsers, including Phoenix, Galeon and K-Meleon). Even then, I still have doubts that it will get in.

    • this is not actually included in the browser package, so it doesn't add to mozilla's bloat. Instead, about:kitchensink directs the user to the xml document on mozilla's website.

      urgh:
      This is rather silly: the whole document is a full 19K (view page info). Not exactly the smallest piece of 'code', but 19K in a 12meg(compressed) install (50 meg in my mozilla install directory) doesn't sound like that much bloat to me.
      (of course, this is the sort of attitude that leads to bloat in the first place).

  • What? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by mkelley (411060)
    We've been waiting three years for NTLM [mozilla.org] support in Mozilla, and a fucking easter egg makes the news and gets more support? WTF?

    NTLM easily explained [toastytech.com]

    • You know, last week I downloaded a new Linux distro, and, upon running it, I said, "I've been waiting for NT file system read/write support for six years, and the developers spent time writing a GNOME Tetris clone and giving it more support?"
  • by passion (84900)

    Dude, this is xhtml in name only - this is good-old javascript! (view source)

  • Check out this test of Javascript on browsers for the Mac.
    From Developer.mac.com [apple.com]

    Safari is still Beta, but it still kicked IE's fat ass.
  • by freaker_TuC (7632) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @12:08PM (#5360685) Homepage Journal
    ... It does not respond, so I guess no more kitchensink for today! Too bad /. really floods -everything- these days ..

    hope they don't add a about:shower ...
  • Netrek Had This (Score:3, Interesting)

    by fuzzybunny (112938) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @12:18PM (#5360725) Homepage Journal

    The Paradise [sourceforge.net] game client already had a kitchen sink [sourceforge.net] (version 2.2p8).

    This variant of the game Netrek [netrek.org], which completely revamped the gameplay of the original and added a ton of 'features', many of which tended to irritate purists of the game. The client developers added a little outline kitchen sink which would pop up on the screen when a given button was pushed, along with the phrase 'Kitchen sink activated! Bad guys beware!'

    Just a piece of trivia for you, and a great game at that.
  • by daemonc (145175) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @12:52PM (#5360848)
    I remember, back when I was playing Diablo 2, there was this undead mummy that would randomly pop up with different names. One time it was named "The Creeping Feature" and another time "The Feeping Creature"...
  • by IXI (586504)
    Reading the headline I thought they had integrated emacs into Mozilla but they just stole the icon :(
  • by BZ (40346) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @01:53PM (#5361107)
    The patch was not checked in to the Mozilla trunk because it was vetoed by drivers@mozilla.org. It will likely never be checked in.

    How about doing some tiny little bit of fact-checking? Who needs news if it's false?
  • That kitchen sink is spewing Poop!
  • by bluephone (200451) <(gro.snortceletnrub) (ta) (yerg)> on Saturday February 22, 2003 @04:59PM (#5362035) Homepage Journal
    Look, this got way too much coverage. I'm the originator of the bug and the sink. The r= and sr= were removed until someone fixes the patches so this builds only in Mozilla. about:kitchensink will not work in ANY Mozilla distribution yet. Nor will it unles it's fixed.

    As for IE sucking a log on this, well, it's 100% valid XHTML and CSS with decent DOM use, so I'm not surprised IE won't view it.

  • geez... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Jamie Zawinski (775) <jwz@jwz.org> on Saturday February 22, 2003 @06:10PM (#5362367) Homepage
    What kind of a sad world has it become when easter eggs get announced before they've even made it into a beta? The whole point of these things used to be the treasure hunt. Do you read the walk-through before you even start playing a new game?
  • *sigh* (Score:3, Insightful)

    by babbage (61057) <cdevers.cis@usouthal@edu> on Saturday February 22, 2003 @11:26PM (#5363378) Homepage Journal
    This reminds me of a recent entry of David Hyatt, the guy that is (among other things) current lead of Apple's Safari project and former lead of the Chimera Mozilla variant. He was mocking recent efforts in Mozilla to "improve the splash screen" because people didn't seem to like it very much. He didn't either -- which is why the browsers he has worked on are meant to start up so fast that you don't *need* a splash screen.

    Put another way, here's another story. In the early days of the interstate highway system, there was a problem with the roadway signage where, because the signs didn't give people enough warning that an exit was coming up, drivers kept colliding with the signs, destroying them, while trying to veer off the highway at the last minute. When the project engineers were told about this, the solution they came up with was simple, elegant, and completely wrong: build a sign strong enough to withstand an impact from a car moving at highway speeds.

    The lessons there should be obvious. Rather than identify what today might be called the usability problems of the signage system, they focused only on the sign device itself. Their solution didn't make the problem go away, and it probably made impacts with signs much more dangerous for people in the car. The right solution, which we have since moved to, is to come up with standards to give people more information ahead of the exits so that collisions like this are much less probably.

    I think the Mozilla people are falling for the same trap. They've heard the complaints, but rather than take them to heart, they poke fun at it -- and in fact adding in code for this easter egg, even if you are downloading the xml from mozilla.org's servers, is only adding to the application's bloat. Like the splash screen example, this is itself a great sign *ahem* that the project developers aren't listening to the concerns of their users. Rather, it's just starting to seem like a colossal exercise in self-gratification.

    Good thing I can use Safari :-)

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