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New Solar Cells 20 Times Cheaper 516

handy_vandal writes "STMicroelectronics has announced a new generation of photocells made from organic plastics. Over a typical 20-year life span of a solar cell, a single produced watt should cost as little as $0.20, compared with the current $4. See also article @ cnn.com. On a related note, this article @ IEEE discusses new improved LED technology by the same team."
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New Solar Cells 20 Times Cheaper

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  • Balance of power (Score:1, Interesting)

    by jmerelo ( 216716 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @01:51PM (#7115417) Homepage Journal
    That might shift the balance of power to sun-soaked states, right? At least if you couple it with fuel cells.
  • no wonder (Score:3, Interesting)

    by happyfrogcow ( 708359 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @01:53PM (#7115431)
    Consequently, although the "fuel" for a solar-powered generator is free sunlight, the overall cost of solar-generated electricity (amortized over the lifetime of the solar cell, typically 20 years) is around ten times higher than the cost of electricity generated by burning fossil fuels.


    No wonder we still don't have widespread solar use. I had no idea it was this much more expensive to "buy" initially.
  • by AppyPappy ( 64817 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @01:54PM (#7115445)
    Every year, it was going to put the power companies out of business. The last time I priced it in 1999, it was still too expensive. I hate to sound conspiritorial, but it sounds to me like someone is jiggling the switch. It is 2003. Why don't we have affordable solar power for home use?
  • by Brahmastra ( 685988 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @01:55PM (#7115456)
    This should make space probes, satellites, etc that use solar energy much cheaper.
  • by j_dot_bomb ( 560211 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @02:00PM (#7115502)
    Power companies provide at about 15c per kilowatt-HOUR. What does 20c per watt mean ? Meaning running continuously 12 hrs a day for 20 years ? Watt is a power unit. Watt-hours is energy.
  • Potential Importance (Score:5, Interesting)

    by randall_burns ( 108052 ) <randall_burns AT hotmail DOT com> on Thursday October 02, 2003 @02:01PM (#7115516)
    I've lived off the grid for over 6 years now.

    Even with existing prices, it is about as cheap to buy cheaper land in outlying areas and generate your own power as it is to pay a power company _and_ pay higher prices for land. The main problem is you have to have a fair degree of mechanical aptitude to keep one of these systems running reliably.

    Cheap solar cells would open up quite a bit of land for human use that is accessible by road but has no power access. When you combine that with WiFi/sattellite access the infrastructure advantages of cities become far less pronounced.

  • by Kandel ( 624601 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @02:01PM (#7115518) Journal
    "The new solar cells would even be able to compete with electricity generated by burning fossil fuels such as oil and gas, which costs about $0.40 per watt"

    This is certainly excellent news. With oil reserves slowly running down and with countries that require 'liberation' slowly dwindling, we certainly need new cheap energy sources. It's great to see a product has been created that harnesses solar energy to the point that it could one day replace all need for fossil fuels. This is also have many positive ramifacations on the environment, making a lot of people happy.
    Another large source of energy that has been largely untapped is geothermal energy, which is obtained through convering heat from the Earth into usable energy.
    It really demonstrates the effect that these large oil corporations have on our world, when there are much better cleaner alternatives to fossil fuels, yet these are being ignored for the sake of the oil companies.
  • Re:exoskelton (Score:5, Interesting)

    by astar ( 203020 ) <max.stalnaker@gmail.com> on Thursday October 02, 2003 @02:02PM (#7115528) Homepage
    so what does a watt of electricy cost delivered these days, like from the power company? And one traditional silliness about solar power is that by the time you actual install it, the energy cost of the materials exceeds the expected lifetime output of the solar cells. So the green types who install solar are really pretty brown.
  • by StillNeedMoreCoffee ( 123989 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @02:06PM (#7115572)
    Well there may be a more complex answer found in the book.. [amazon.com]
    "The Hydrogen Economy", Jeremy Rifkin, Tarcher/Penguin 2002

    Not to mention the running out of oil very soon.
  • by redcup ( 441955 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @02:06PM (#7115574)
    Darn... I just bought a solar powered watch (Citizen Eco-drive) - which requires a few hours of office level light, several minutes under a bright lamp, or just a few minutes of direct sunlight, to recharge each day.

    This article makes me wonder if a substantial amount of the price was because of the power cells (no silver or gold). I'm sure a watch doesn't need the best efficiency (15-20%) of the current pricy solar cells - 10% efficiency would mean my new watch needs about 30 minutes under a lamp rather than 15-20. Big deal. Of if I'm lazy, I'll stand in the sun for 5 minutes instead of 3. :-)

    Making solar power affordable, attractive and practical is the first step in converting to environmentally friendly sources of power. Cost effectiveness is a primary obstacle for new technologies, especially for the environmentally friendly. I guess the other would be defeating the entrenched monopolies that currently rely on oil and other natural resources.

    Here's to a cleaner planet!

    Cheers,

    RC
  • Re:Sign Me Up! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by zCyl ( 14362 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @02:12PM (#7115642)
    Well, with a quick back-of-the-envelope calculation... If you roughly assume an average of 5 hours of good sunlight per day and roughly assume a house consumes 500KWh per month, then you need 3,333W of generated power (before taking storage into account). In previous price ranges, you're talking $15,000 for that many solar cells (not counting power storage cost or a multiple for storage efficiency). If they can successfully bring solar cells of 20 cents per Watt to market, then you're talking about enough solar cells to cover a house's usage for possibly around $2000.

    Assuming no major error in the calculation, that makes it accessible to anyone who can afford a house. A year's electricity at that rate of consumption would be about $720.

    Hopefully they will succeed in delivering this, and the usage of the words "organic", "nanotechnology", and "renewable energy" are more than just buzzwords in search of funding.
  • by ThosLives ( 686517 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @02:15PM (#7115669) Journal
    I echo this one. The big issue is not cost of solar, but area. After all, the average home uses about 5kW . A typical estimate of solar load is 1 kW/m2. That means, even with 100% efficient cells, you'd need 5 square meters (~53 ft2) to power your house. Not to mention you'd need more than that to store power for night, cloudy weather, etc. That's going to eat up a lot of roof space... and need to be protected and cleaned as well.

    Yeah, we have lots of "empty" space here and there, and I've heard of people wanting to put solar power stations on the moon. I don't know about you, but I don't want to look up at the moon and see piles of man-made crap instead of its current beautiful state. Power stations on the moon makes me want to vomit.

    That said, though, I will embrace the day when I don't have to be connected to any utilities at all...

    "All terrestrial energy sources are really solar anyway; this means we've had a nuclear power industry all along!" - me

  • Answer (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 02, 2003 @02:18PM (#7115696)
    The reason there isn't affordable solar power for home use is that there are no government subsidies for solar power at the level of subsidies for oil.
  • by FroMan ( 111520 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @02:19PM (#7115706) Homepage Journal
    Not just that, but according to the article I read about this, they are shooting for only 10% effeciency. That means more sq. feet (sq. metric length unit for those out of the US) requirements. Area is already a major limiting factor with solar now.

    One thing you never hear about with solar energy also is that the panel absorb a certain amount of heat that would normally be absorbed by the earth. Will this cause issues on a large scale?

    Similar with wind generators, the energy taken from the wind is also removing energy that would be dispursed further down the line. Again, small scale doesn't seem to matter much.

    However, a single combustion engine isn't a major issue either. So, while I think alternative energies are a wonderful and exciting thing, keep in mind, everything has environmental impact.

  • Good News (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Walrus99 ( 543380 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @02:28PM (#7115808)

    Well, finally some good news. If it will soon be possible to produce cheap solar cells this could mean a more distributed power base. If houses and businesses can generate most of the their electricity from solar cells on the roof the average consumer would no longer be dependent on the local power company. It remains to be seen if the current administration with its ties to the oil corporations would let this happen.

    The CNN article does seem to confuse Watts and Watt-hours. CNN.com's science writers have always had a weak understanding of scientific concepts. In an article about the close approach of Mars they said "About every 26 months, the two planets pass relatively close to one another, during periods now known as opposition." What was it known as before??

  • hemp / bio-desiel (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 02, 2003 @02:30PM (#7115829)
    How do these improved solar-cells compare to bio-desiel produced from hemp?

    Bio-desiel burns in desiel engines with no modifications and achieves the same per litre efficiency. Hemp grows as a weed on six continents and is cheaper to make into diesel fuel than any crude oil deposits.

  • Re:no wonder (Score:5, Interesting)

    by homebrewmike ( 709361 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @02:31PM (#7115853)
    The System Admin geeks should understand the following: is Linux really free for use in a production environment?

    Resounding answer: no. There is a cost to do anything in the enterprise. You know, the TCO - total cost of ownership. You need backup media, you need power, you need people to make it run right.

    So, let's talk about Gas. Is it really $1.36 a gallon, as advertised?

    Most folks, again, would answer nope. There are those annoying little hard to calculate costs. For instance - if we weren't dependent on foreign engery - would we need a military the size we do?

    How about the environment? Oil-n-Coal aren't doing it a hell of a lot of good. Doubt me? Move to LA - from what I've heard, it kind of sucks there.

    So, while we in the US pay $1.36, we really are paying more - it's just not reflected at the pump.

    It's only a matter of time before we move to Solar.
  • by jniver ( 91943 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @02:32PM (#7115857)
    My question to you is about how much did it cost to setup this type of a system. I setup a solar power system using a solar battery charger, a 12 volt battery, and power inverter for my shed. The total cost was about 100 bucks.

    I would love to have some stuff in my house moved off the main power, but cannot justify cost of equipment over the cost of using the power company.

    Are there places out there where you are getting the equipment for reasonable prices? Is this a homebuilt system, or did you buy one.

    Looking at a few systems such as Mr Solar [mrsolar.com] small systems start around 5k.

    Just curious about what you did...

    Thanks.
  • by ChicoLance ( 318143 ) * <lance@orner.net> on Thursday October 02, 2003 @02:33PM (#7115876)
    It seems like solar power efficiency has been at about 10-20% for about forever now, and I thought I read somewhere that where purifiying the semiconductors will get you more efficient at a higher price, there was still a maximum amount you could get out of current designs or theories.

    Is there some sort of theoretical limit we're hitting with current technologies, or are there different technologies that may have some promise? This article doesn't address efficiency, it just says they can make them cheaper than anybody else.

    Any links or references would be appriciated.
  • by b-baggins ( 610215 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @02:36PM (#7115921) Journal
    Geothermal sources remain largely untapped because your local environmentalist lobby slaps a lawsuit on any company that tries to harness the energy from all those "pretty, irreplacable, and endangered geysers."
  • Re:Balance of power (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 02, 2003 @02:40PM (#7115969)
    You know what? Even if a solar cell was capable of 10% efficency and about twice as expensive as current technology, it would still be an incredible deal.

    FYI: most solar cells produce less than 3% electricity/solar energy exposed, some special cells that are very very expensive and used on satellites produce around 5% brand new. With micro meteorite impacts, it slowlw drifts back down to 3%-4%.

    If 10% solar cells that are highly available, with the approximate cost of today's cells existed, I gurantee you that you would see more houses plastered with them top to bottom, and electricity or hydrogen would be the de-facto NOW.
  • by djtack ( 545324 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @03:19PM (#7116419)
    so what does a watt of electricy cost delivered these days, like from the power company?

    According to some folks at Alliant Energy (one of their reps recently gave a lecture at my engineering college), it costs about $1.00/watt to build a coal power plant. In other words, building a 500 MW coal plant would cost $500 million. Also keep in mind about 50% of that power is lost as heat during transmission - so the cost to the end user is really about twice that.

    Interestingly, in our area large wind turbines cost about the same (a buck a watt) - and the power companies are becoming more interested. Despite what you might think, they actually hate to build new large power plants. It's a huge chuck of cash for them to lay out, especially when the full capacity of a large plant may not be needed for another 10-20 years.

    Anyway, $0.20/watt would be cheap!
  • Re:Sign Me Up! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Niddix ( 544323 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @03:27PM (#7116513)
    I'd love to do this. Unfortunately I live in Florida. Its up to the power company to allow you to put power back onto the grid, which they don't want to allow here. So I either need to store the extra power I don't use, or I have to discharge the excess if there is any.
  • by orthogonal ( 588627 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @03:35PM (#7116607) Journal
    Why do such obvious karma whores continue to get modded up?

    Perhaps because the original article was in <FONT name="Eight-point Eyestrain">?

    I suppose it "looks better" to some web "designer", but it's practically impossible to read at a resolution higher than 640x480.
  • by BerntB ( 584621 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @03:48PM (#7116771)
    The only drawback I see to solar power stations on the moon is the expense in buying 1,000,000 of those bright orange 50' extension cords so we can run the power back down to Earth.
    Energy transfer from space is a solved problem. microwave antennas can send/receive large amounts of electricity with low losses -- and even safely.

    I Googled for a random reference [spacefuture.com] discussing the subject.

    It is yet another space possibility that won't be realized while it costs thousands of dollars to launch a kilo to orbit. That price won't go down while lots of jobs at NASA depends on the shuttle...

  • Re:Sign Me Up! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by jafac ( 1449 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @03:51PM (#7116810) Homepage
    cost of production != market value.

    If this were true, I'm sure these cells would sell retail for $14,999.99. Or whatever one-penny cheaper than it would cost to buy electicity from the power company is. Price is what the market will bear. Not what would make life better for everyone.

    This is why DSL costs $50/mo, instead of $10/mo. The service doesn't cost that much to provide. It's what the market will bear.

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