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Evolution 1.5 has Been Released 317

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SirPrize writes "As announced here, Evolution 1.5 is now available for download (obligatory screenshots, for those who want to click and see)" Congrats to all the developers responsible for this gigantic undertaking.
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Evolution 1.5 has Been Released

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  • I have been trying the beta stuff on gentoo and works pretty fine. Good work.. keep it up.!!
  • Dinner (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:15AM (#7668364)
    Screenshot 2 [gnome.org]

    If you need a PIM to remind you to eat dinner, you have serious issues.
    • Re:Dinner (Score:5, Funny)

      by Flabby Boohoo (606425) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:27AM (#7668503) Journal
      True... how about a reminder to take a shower instead?
    • Re:Dinner (Score:5, Interesting)

      by TechnoVooDooDaddy (470187) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:42AM (#7668646) Homepage
      around my company, if you don't put lunch & dinner on your calendar and mark it "private appointment" chances are good some schmuck will try and schedule a meeting or a conference call or something during that time...

      • Re:Dinner (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Tim C (15259)
        And in my company, where we're *required* to put lunch in our calendar if we're planning on not being at our desks for it, some schmuck will *still* schedule a meeting during that time.
      • Re:Dinner (Score:2, Funny)

        by banzai75 (310300)
        That's why I found that 8-hour lunch breaks work the best for me.
    • Re:Dinner (Score:5, Interesting)

      by boinger (4618) <boinger@fuck[ ]u.org ['-yo' in gap]> on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:42AM (#7668651) Homepage
      I have serious issues, then.

      My company, the godsend that it is, buys food for any employee who wants it, but the order can be in no later than 5:20p. (We get to order off or an actual menu from an actual restaurant)

      So, I have a Calendar alert pop up daily at 4:55p, or I'd miss out (very often, in fact). I don't get hungry until 6:00p or so, so I have to visually remind myself to order if I *think* I'll still be here at 6:30p (when the food arrives)

      I know it was meant as funny, but it is useful for people like me who can forget to pee for 6 hours because their brain is 'on a roll' with soemthing.

  • Java Desktop (Score:3, Interesting)

    by gbjbaanb (229885) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:15AM (#7668366)
    You'd think Sun'd sponsor them a little wouldn't you? What they're doing helps Sun's push for their desktop one hell of a lot.
  • by tcopeland (32225) * <tom&thomasleecopeland,com> on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:15AM (#7668368) Homepage
    ....I must say, woo-hoo! Evolution is great stuff; it truly is an Outlook killer.

    Also, here's a duplicate code report [infoether.com], thanks to CPD [sf.net]. I like the comment on the first duplicate code chunk:
    /* sigh, so much for oo code reuse ... */
    /* FIXME: put in a function */
    Heh.
  • I thought that this version was going to include support for Groupwise?

    Novell was trumpeting this as their Linux Mail Client on Ximian.

  • Gentoo Users (Score:3, Informative)

    by peterprior (319967) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:21AM (#7668431)
    Ebuilds for evolution 1.5 are on breakmygentoo.net [breakmygentoo.net]
  • S/MIME support? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Cthefuture (665326) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:21AM (#7668432)
    Is S/MIME support new for this release? I poked around on the site some and it looks like it is but I couldn't find any more information about it.

    How are certificates and keys managed? Does it (hopefully) use a PKCS#11 module like Mozilla?

    I don't know why more stuff doesn't use S/MIME early on. PGP/GPG and the others are not really standard and don't work off-the-shelf with a lot of big software (Mozilla and Outlook being two of them).
  • by Raleel (30913) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:23AM (#7668448)
    How about at least mentioning what features are new?
    • How about at least mentioning what features are new?

      Better still, how about also saying what the product IS? I've never heard of Evolution, and had to dig around a bit to discover that it's a PIM. Would it kill people to spend another three words to say that in the headline?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:24AM (#7668459)
    I tried installing it just now. Their install program says it does not recognize my distribution .. and will not let me install

    I am using Fedora Core 1
  • Developer release? (Score:4, Informative)

    by Delirium Tremens (214596) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:24AM (#7668464) Journal
    From the announcement:

    The main purpose of this release is, of course, to gather as much testing as possible from users.

    So is Evolution 1.5 a development release? Are they following the same numbering scheme as the Linux kernel? So does that mean that if I am not in a testing mood, I should rather wait for 1.6?

    • by irix (22687) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:30AM (#7668527) Journal

      So is Evolution 1.5 a development release? Are they following the same numbering scheme as the Linux kernel?

      Yes and yes.

      If you don't want to be testing 1.5 then you should be waiting for a stable 2.0 [gnome.org]. Of course, if you can, testing 1.5 is a good thing.

    • Exactly. Evolution has been proposed for inclusion in the GNOME 2.6 Desktop release, and this requires periodic release of snapshots according to GNOME release schedule guidelines. This tarball is in many ways more of a milestone release than anything else. It's hardly free of bugs yet. I use it, but I'm in a testing mood. ;-)

      Snapshot packages of 1.5 are (and have been) available for several distributions (SuSE Linux 8.2 and 9.0; Red Hat Linux 9; Mandrake Linux 9.1 and 9.2) via either Red Carpet (for t
  • by milgr (726027) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:25AM (#7668466)
    This is a development release. According to evolution's planned milestones, the stable 1.6 release will be out in March.

    Like the kernel, the odd dot releases are development.

    That said, I choose to use evolution 1.4 for most of my email needs.
  • by irix (22687) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:25AM (#7668467) Journal

    This is one of the Evolution testing releases that go along with Gnome 2.5. The goal is a stable Evolution 2.0 and Gnome 2.6 later in the spring. Check out he roadmap [gnome.org].

    So by all means, pick up 1.5 if you want to help with bug fixing, but this is not a "stable" release.

  • So Evolution has evolved....
  • I still think... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cK-Gunslinger (443452) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:26AM (#7668489) Journal
    .. that one of the oft-overlooked facilitators of open-source software is having a Windows client. Mozilla/Firebird/Thunderbird seem to understand this, as well as tons of other projects. I am almost at a point where I could switch from Win2k to any flavor of Linux and still use the same apps 90% of the time. (Thunderbird, OO.org, Thunderbird, Gimp, Eclipse, etc)

    I don't pretend to understand the intricacies of Evolution and why it may be impossible to run on Windows, but I think that if it were possible, it would be a large boon to the project.

  • Ximian Connector (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Chuck Bucket (142633) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:26AM (#7668491) Homepage Journal
    Is there ANY way to try out the Ximian Connector before buying it? I can't convince my company to buy it for me, even though I'm on a Linux workstation running all of the *nix boxes in house. (I run rdesktop to connect to a win box to check my email via Outlook - which is a waste). I want to try it, and would gladly buy it myself if I thought it worked fine. Or, can anyone testify to it's usefulness? Evoltion has come such a long way in the past year, I really want to start using that fulltime.

    CB
    • Re:Ximian Connector (Score:2, Informative)

      by tita (31401)
      Call them up and ask them for a tryout version. A coworker of mine did that and Ximian (was still ximian back then) just gave him a version to test.
    • Yes (Score:5, Informative)

      by Synn (6288) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @12:01PM (#7668830)
      Email their support and they'll send you a 30 day trial key.

      I personally use it to connect to our Exchange 2003 server and it works quite well. Your company's Exchange server will need OWA support enabled however.
    • I realize that rDesktop allows you to connect to a windows machine remotelly. But do you know anything that connects to someone's Xfree desktop?
    • It worked flawlessly at the office talking to an Ex2K server under Red Hat 9; previous comments apply about the server needing Outlook Web Access enabled.

      Then updating to Fedora Core 1 broke it, and Ximian is only saying Real Soon Now on a fix. So if you're using latest-n-greatest, you too may be hosed for now.
  • by IGnatius T Foobar (4328) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:29AM (#7668511) Homepage Journal
    Evolution is truly a first class application. Polished, debugged, good-looking, and professional.

    That having been said, though, I am still disappointed by the fact that they are not supporting remote calendars out of the box. Sure, you can buy plugins to connect it to Exchange, or Netscape/iPlanet/SunONE/JES calendar server (whatever they're calling it this week), and presumably Groupwise (soon) ... but where's the built-in support for remote calendars using an open protocol? Folks like me who are developing open source groupware servers [citadel.org] are anxiously awaiting good clientware to connect to. How about putting WCAP in the standard build? It's well-documented [sun.com] and much simpler than the disgusting mess the IETF is proposing (CAP has the dubious honor of being the one protocol even uglier than IMAP).

    So how about it, codemonkeys? The sooner we get some real open source calendaring going, the sooner we can start to make a real challenge to Outlook. Microsoft loves the Outlook/Exchange lock-in. They love it so much that they're trying to do the same thing across their entire product line (Office 2003 has many ties to SharePoint server). The window of opportunity is open, but it won't be forever.
  • by breman (683776) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:29AM (#7668522)
    calenders [members.shaw.ca]
    mail [members.shaw.ca]
    tasks [members.shaw.ca]
  • by pyros (61399) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:31AM (#7668539) Journal
    Anyone know when that is going to be added. I remember seeing some posts about getting started on it on the developer mailing list after 1.4 was released, but I don't see mention of it.
    • While this isn't a feature of Evolution per-se, you can integrate bogofilter into it pretty easily [ime.usp.br]. I use it myself and other than a bunch of false positives from a few mailing lists, it's great.

    • bogofilter does a wonderful job of plugging into Evolution via the filters. You can match any header string in the inbound email and pipe the mail through bogofilter. A later filter takes anything labeled as spam, and sends it to the spam folder. I catch 90-95% of my spam that way. and I have NEVER had a false positive.

  • Feature Request (Score:4, Insightful)

    by timothyf (615594) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:44AM (#7668664) Homepage

    http://www.research.ibm.com/remail/ [ibm.com]

    In my opinion, borrowing ideas like that for a groupware/email client would be what distinguishes Evolution from the competition.

    Oh, and pretty please make a Winders version for those of us that are stuck here? :)

  • by luge (4808) <slashdot@tiegu[ ]rg ['y.o' in gap]> on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:48AM (#7668702) Homepage
    Since the article makes this totally,totally unclear, this is not a stable release. It's a totally devel, in many ways broken, release. Could eat your mail, pets, family, etc. So only download/install if you are brave. Or stupid. Or something. The stable release will go out with GNOME 2.6 in the spring, or at least that is the current plan. Hope that clarifies...
  • by FattMattP (86246) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:49AM (#7668711) Homepage
    Does anyone know if there are plans to add built-in spam filtering like Mozilla has? Right now everyone says to use spamassassin but that doesn't work for some people that I know that user Evolution. They want something built in to the client end.
    • Huh? Run Spamassassin as a daemon (ie spamd) for speed and use Evolution's builtin filtering tool to define a pipe to shell command filter (ie spamc -c) with the rule being if does not return 0, either move to your spam folder or just delete it. Make sure bayesian filtering is enabled in spamassassin, do some training via sa-learn, add you will have great spam filtering with very low overhead.
      • by FattMattP (86246) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @12:33PM (#7669178) Homepage
        Run Spamassassin as a daemon (ie spamd) for speed and use Evolution's builtin filtering tool to define a pipe to shell command filter (ie spamc -c) with the rule being if does not return 0, either move to your spam folder or just delete it. Make sure bayesian filtering is enabled in spamassassin, do some training via sa-learn, add you will have great spam filtering with very low overhead.
        They need something intergrated into the application so that they can click a "spam" or "not spam" button and/or change spam settings from within Evolution. See Mozilla Mail to see what I am talking about. Your solution still requires interacting with the shell (something these users don't know how to do) to change settings or train the bayesian filter. Right now I already have spamassassin checking mail on the server side.
  • pgp (Score:4, Interesting)

    by SupahVee (146778) <superv@NOsPam.mischievousgeeks.net> on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:49AM (#7668715) Journal
    The real question I have for the developers is this: when will we ever see decent PGP/GPG support for Evolution? It's hand-down the most feature complete email app available for GNU/Linux, and yet, still can't do PGP even half as good as Pine, Kmail, Enigmail. The only time I get a PGP'ed email that I can read is ONLY if it was sent by another evolution client, which sounds more like the behavior I would expect from LookOut. Hell, the only way I've gotten decent GPG support for Evo is to have Pine reading a folder where I filter encrypted messages into, Pine reads them just fine, Evolution can't. I've looked through all the features that will supposedly be in the 2.0 release, and nowhere is there mentioned any fix of the PGP handling. I don't pretend to know more than the developers, and I'm sure there may be reasons why they've chosen to leave this feature broken, but if every other OSS Email project can nail it, why can't they?
    • Re:pgp (Score:3, Interesting)

      by 0x0d0a (568518)
      I've yet to see any client do PGP right.

      Mutt comes close, but doesn't have the ability to "opportunistically encrypt" messages -- i.e. encrypt the message if a key for the destination email address can be found, otherwise not.

      Using this would help encourage people to use email encryption.
  • by mydigitalself (472203) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:57AM (#7668785)
    one of the things i've noticed with the (dear me) evolution of Evolution is that when it originally reared its head it was almost a complete copy of Outlook from a UI point of view.

    the version that comes with XD2 seems to have begun a move away from Outlook. and i'm debating in my mind if this is a good thing or not. surely the "switch"-like campaign would favour apps that looked and behaved more like MS apps for the sake of familiarity when moving across to a new environment. obviously the bad side of this is the whole innovation-stiffling argument that if one just mimicks Microsoft behaviour, what benefit other than cost is being added?

    anyway, i would be in a better position to speak once actually having given it a test - but the UI on those screenshots seems a lot LESS intuitive than i've seen in previous releases. a few examples:

    Calendar [gnome.org]

    it may seem obvious to a geek, but what is "Local"? and how does that differ from "On This Computer" in the tasks [gnome.org] screenshot? also, what the heck is the "Component" button at the bottom there? and why do the buttons at the bottom there look so ugle. the ones on Tasks have icons, those don't. basically inconsistent UI.

    i understand that this is a dev. release, but it seems silly to me to ignore UI in a odd release while developing the functionality and then maybe coming back to it in the following release. the way a user interacts with software should be considered throughout a development cycle as interaction changes can often lead to large programming changes.

    • As other people have pointed out, this is an unstable development release, not a polished final product. I suspect the varied labelling is due to people coding up different components and putting temporary placeholder strings in for now (if the "Component" isn't a give away placeholder string I don't know what is) while they get the features working. I think you'll find a lot of that will be cleaned up for Evolution 2.0

      Jedidiah
  • by bobaferret (513897) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @12:01PM (#7668828)
    I think the most important feature that is currently missing is the spam filtering. Everyone else has it, why doesn't evolution? Use the code from mozilla if you have to.

    wish I had the time to do it myself.
    -jj-
    • by fea (39853)
      you can easily add spamassassin as a filter and it would probably be better than anything that would be hard coded into evolution. I already to this and route the output to a "spam" folder. It is in the evolution FAQ on the ximian web site
  • by macemoneta (154740) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @12:35PM (#7669191) Homepage
    After all this time and many releases, there is still no support for notes and memos.

    Synchronizing to a PDA will exclude these. This was by far one of the most useful aspects of using Outlook with a PDA (the ability to copy any arbitrary text and load it to a PDA as a memo). I had built large collections of travel directions, software/hardware serial numbers, network IP information, reference data, even Xmas lists using this facility.

    I'd rather the Evolution team provide function parity before they spend time glitzing the UI.
    • Hear, hear.

      I still use JPilot [jpilot.org], even though I use Evolution, because I really want access to my notes.

      Evolution developers: please add a "notes" feature to Evolution. Just like on a Palm PDA, the first line of the note should be treated as a title, and there should be a title view for picking a memo. There should be searching within the memo text. The memo feature should use the same character set as the Palm uses so that accents and such display correctly.

      P.S. JPilot has plugins, and I'd like to see t
  • by Doc Ruby (173196) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @01:18PM (#7669681) Homepage Journal
    As usual, Evolution's team is doing it right, including the version numbering. We can all learn by their good example.

    FTA:
    "note that there are still some bugs migrating data from 1.4.x to 1.5 and that 1.5 stores its information in ~/.evolution rather than ~/evolution/ so that if you add new info in 1.5 in will not show up in 1.4.x."

    Version numbers should reflect the features and requirements of the software they describe. When I worked for Apple, we recognized that software compatibility depended on both data formats/protocols and user interfaces. MAJOR.minor.revision(.patch/build) numbers reflected interoperability: Adding features, either to the GUI or functionality, that the user could notice, incremented the MAJOR number. Changing data/protocol formats, in the filesystem, over the network, or otherwise (any I/O, like sensors), incremented the minor number. Revision numbers reflected internal changes interesting only to developers, likewise any patch or build numbers. Forward/backward compatibility becomes just another feature/requirement, a special case of any given version, never to be expected unless explicitly included.

    With that simple scheme, we could tell whether a version wouldn't interoperate with other software in a suite, or might require retraining (eg, glance at documentation) to use. Or fixed a bug. With those rules, we defended rational version numbering in favor of users (and developers) - defended from the insane ravages of marketdroids who were locked in a version numbering "arms race" with the competition.
  • I keep forgetting to eat Dinner... if I got Evolution's calendar, I'd never wonder why I was starving at 10 PM again!

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