GNOME Foundation Board Election Results 242
Anonymous BillyGoat writes "The results of the 2003 GNOME Foundation Elections have been announced. These are preliminary results, and will stand unless someone decides to challenge them. A notable exclusion from this year's list is Miguel De Icaza, whose candidacy application was rejected as it missed the deadline. In related news, barely a few weeks after the news of the death of GNOME hacker Chema Celorio in a sky diving accident, the GNOME community was shocked by the news of the sudden death of Evolution hacker Ettore Perazzoli."
Ettore (Score:1, Interesting)
Anyone's know how he actually died?
Excluded? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Excluded? (Score:3, Funny)
Considering the high mortality rate associated with being part of GNOME, it's probably a good thing.
Re:Excluded? (Score:2)
Re:Excluded? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Excluded? (Score:3, Funny)
That was crude and tasteless, even by my standards -- and that's saying a lot.
Re:Excluded? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Excluded? (Score:2)
Make him a permanent/honorary/founding member. That's done a lot to retain "keeper" people in a certain group.
For every rule, there's an exception...
Re:Excluded? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Under Achiever (Score:1, Flamebait)
That's pretty funny. I like that.
No, what I hate is untalented folks like yourself who find it far more important to stand on ceremony and tradition and let it interfere with with actually accomplishing something. But then, when you fail (as your kind often does), at least you have a scapegoat, as you can point to the person who did things "different" to actually get the job done.
"'m sorry sir, but we've always climbed down this cliff and up the other
Re:Excluded? (Score:2, Insightful)
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re:Excluded? (Score:2)
LS
Re:Excluded? (Score:2)
Nah. The US and UK already did that with Gulf War II...
Re:Excluded? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Excluded? (Score:3, Insightful)
Universities don't "reopen" enrollment for a tardy applicant, without compromising their perception of fairness.
Deadlines exist. Mabye the years of missing them in software development has numbed us, but they still exist. And as much as I find it ironic that Miguel isn't on board, let's not cry that he deserves a spot when he couldn't be bothered to get his application in on time.
If he
don't trust it (Score:5, Funny)
Great. (Score:2)
Who gets to vote? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Who gets to vote? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Who gets to vote? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Who gets to vote? (Score:1)
you know... gnome gnomes
Re:Who gets to vote? (Score:2, Funny)
(2) ???
(3) Profit!
Re:Who gets to vote? (Score:2)
Re:Who gets to vote? (Score:5, Informative)
Members of the GNOME foundation [gnome.org] get to vote for the board. Basically these are the people who contribute to GNOME. So, if you translate or code or give presentations to do with GNOME you can be a member. There is no charge or anything like that.
Who cares about gnome? (Score:2, Troll)
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
However, it seems to me that those that care that much about CPU cycles and that little about the UI might be better off with IceWM or XFCE or Blackbox or one of those other WMs (all of which I can't tolerate using myself, but might serve this purpose well). Gnome seems to me to provide a decent balance
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:4, Insightful)
I use KDE, and I assume you do too given that it's the only remotely customizeable WM.
I didn't before. I used to prefer Gnome over KDE, but I switched to KDE after the pile of dung that is Gnome 2.0 showed me that Gnome is a dead end now. What annoys me about the Metacity manifesto is how it ruined the future of what *had been* my preferred interface.
I'd use blackbox or icewm, except that I hate the look and feel of NeXT that they try to emulate. It doesn't waste computer resources to have resize bars on *all* sides of a window. There's no reason to make you have to use a little button down on the lower corners.
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
Do you honestly believe you have to use Metacity? You can use any GNOME-compliant WM. In the Sessions pref. panel, just disable the restart status of metacity, launch the WM you want, and flag it with restart status. Logout, checking the 'save session' checkbox, and log back in. Pretty easy.
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
Yeah, both of them. The one that development was halted on, and the one that has a manefesto guaranteeing that I won't like it's future development.
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
[cough]Enlightenment[cough]
KWin customisable? What else have you tried?! Sit down and spend some time with FVWM or Enlightenment (no, it isn't dead) and learn what customisation actually means. And you can use either of those within both KDE and GNOME, so choosing based on window managers is, well, dumb.
Jedidiah.
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
As for FVWM and Enlightenment, if they are indeed as customizeable as you claim, then either the capabilities are not easy to find and change, or the features have been added since I last tried them (about a year ago). However, my impression at the time was that if you wanted a feature-rich WM like KDE (which I do), you might just as soon write one from scratch as start from FVWM or Enlightenment.
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
KWin is the WM that KDE uses. KDE is a desktop environment, which basically means it consists of the WM, a 'panel', a file manager, and a few other things. All KWin does is draw the decorations on window borders (the title bars, min/max/close/sticky buttons, etc) and places windows when apps are launched. Apparently you mean KDE is the most customizable DE.
You don't actually have to run the WM provided with the DE, either. So you can actually run KDE with Enlightenmen
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
If you're willing to take a little time to understand FVWM configuration files you'll soon find that you can actually make that window manager do pretty anything you want.
As I say, tell me what you want to configure, and I assure you I can tell you some way to do it in Enl
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
Actually, one of the main things that I want is a good GUI config tool, which KDE (KWM?) provides ("Control Center").
Also, apologies if I unjustly slandered other WMs. It was u
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:1)
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:5, Insightful)
Matter of opinion. I happen to think the jump from 2.0 to 1.4 was the first big leap towards being useable on a personal desktop, and it's been getting better ever since. I think File Type application association sucked ass in earlier versions of GNOME. Nautilus has made considerable speed and memory improvements. The panel kicks butt. they used to have different kinds of panels you could add/configure. Finally in 2.4 they figured out that they're all just panels. So now it's one kind of panel you can put whereever you want, and you can put any and all available applets on it. Some people really hate metacity. I can honestly say that I've had no change in usage patterns or productivity during the transition from Enlightenment to Sawfish to Metacity. Now we have the emerging gstreamer audio/video subsystem for GNOME apps to hook into. Totem and Rhythmbox are pretty sweet. I still use xmms every now and then, but I like having my little systray applet for rhytmbox. (I never liked the xmms gnome panel applet)
What exactly do you think got worse from 1.4 to 2.0?
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
The main argument why Gnome 1 was better than KDE always was "it's more configurable", "I can change it to behave the way *I* want it to"
Now with Gnome 2 it's suddenly options are bad, simplicity, Joe Average, etc (Actually the last time I tried Gnome Nautilus showed folder contents case sensitive and I didn't find an option to change that - I can't imagine that my mom would want it that way, perhaps I'm blind but imho it's the wrong setting neverth
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
Average users don't care about thousands of configuration options! They want things to just work!
Your attitude is exactly what is being criticized by the "Linux-aint-ready-for-the-desktop-util-people-cha n ge-their-attitude"-Slashdotters all the time.
And if you like config options so much? Why not just use KDE? KDE sounds exactly like what you want.
The two desktop projects have to have different goals! Why the hell do
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
The question was why some liked 1.4 better than 2 - I just said that the fact that 2 had a totally different goal might have something to do with it. Actually in the case of Epiphany/Galeon it was worse enough that there was a split.
My other point was that if you reduce the number of options choosing the important ones and choosing the right default settings becomes *very* important and I don't agree with them on some decisions.
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
If some people believe that something went worse it reasonable to assume that they liked 1.4 better therefore the question was why some liked 1.4 better. =P
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
Gnome 1.x - most configurable.
KDE - medium amount of configurability.
Gnome 2.x - least configurable.
So, those who like configurability lost the most configurable platform when Gnome 2 came out and Gnome 1.x was no longer being worked on, and had to settle for the one that *previously* had been less configurable - KDE. No, KDE is not "exactly" what we want. It's just the only thing left nowadays.
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2, Interesting)
But then, thats a large reason why I don't use either GNOME or KDE. I stick with black/fluxbox, XFCE, or possibly windowmaker. Honestly, when I buy a hard drive for good seek times, fine tune my swap partition(s) and span them across multiple drives, use IDE/SCSI sw/hw RAID, and remove all but th
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
I think the more important news here is the death of two GNOME developers.
Strange that the article submitter doesn't agree with you, since that's not the title of the post. It's primarily about Miguel being left off the panel. It's *that* news (you know, the actual main point of the article rather than something mentioned briefly in passing) that prompted my "who cares" comment.
BTW, you are very adamant about having control over *your* computer. Why shouldn't he have control over *his* code?
Why ca
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
Your focus is incorrect (Score:2, Interesting)
You need to save up the sentimental bullshit and spend it where appropriate. I assume Celorio and Perazzoli were commited to their work and had invested a considerable amount of their emotional/philosphical selves into Gnome. If so, they probably would rather have you and everyone else focus on the fu
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
Do you move windows around so much that this actually makes a noticable difference?
Yup. Because, no matter how fast your computer is, if you are running a mathematically intense algorithm on it in the background, it will take as much CPU time as you let it, since the scheduler doesn't see it doing any I/O, it gets a very high percentage of the CPU time. That's not a problem if the UI isn't trying to also do things that require a lot of CPU cycles, but if it is, then you visually notice the sluggishness
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:3, Informative)
Taaadaaaa!
you can turn it off at the click of a button or two...[here's a hint, check gconf-editor and turn on Metacity's "reduced resources" feature]
Yey for uninformed bitching!
Woohooo
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:3)
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
That implies that "I disagree with you" is actually the same as "you're wrong"
What convoluted path of "logic" lead you to that?
MOD PARENT DOWN!!!! (Score:5, Funny)
Quick, he's on to us. Get this off the front page
OT: ratings (Score:2)
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
I think Havoc is doing the right thing by doing the ones that make sense over time and getting the implementation right instead of adding hack after hack because users can't wait for the WM to mature.
That approach is NOT what the manifesto says is happening. The manifesto says those things will never be added.
Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:2)
You need not use Metacity with GNOME.
Today, yes. Tomorrow, No. This is about future directions.
Rest of bullshit ignored.
Gnome (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Gnome (Score:5, Funny)
Gnomes steal your underwear.
Trolls smell like your underwear.
It's very easy to get the two confused...
Although, now I'm confused. My definition directly relates them. They are connected through.... my underwear. Hmmm... must do more research on the subject.
Re:Gnome (Score:2)
but trolls keep on coming back after you kill them, rock trolls & etc are bitchy.
man i hate them, especially when i'm satiated and can't eat them to get rid of the bodies so that they can't rise back to life.
this voting though puzzles me, i though the gnomes had a king??? his wine cellar sucks though.
It is an official conspiracy now (Score:4, Funny)
Two election based articles...One day? I think Slashdot is now trying to sway the vote.
Vote No to proposal #4839562358096-2385178934569384560345934(a(b)(d)) titled "More Electoral Based Articles on Slashdot"
Sad (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Sad (Score:3, Interesting)
Conspiracy theory (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Conspiracy theory (Score:2)
Antitrust [imdb.com] was an excellent movie, much better than I expected.
Someone should inform Billy that it was poking fun at him... it was not meant as a how-to!
Re:Conspiracy theory (Score:2)
Re:Conspiracy theory (Score:2)
Neither did I, but it was much better than I expected, and even the non-techies who I know who've seen it enjoyed it.
Re:Who?s Killing the World?s Microbiologists? (Score:2)
It would be both post-hoc and tricky, but it would at least let you put a ball-park estimate on what probability you would assign to that occurance (7 out of the top x microbiologists dying in y years?)
The post-hoc part is what makes it tricky. Unlikely things happen all the time, but most of them aren't worth noticing. I do agree that the participation of intelligence agencies & mysterious circumstances make this more suspicious, but I have no idea how you co
Gnome == Novell, Sun, Red Hat (Score:5, Interesting)
Sun & Red Hat had 2 each.
That means of the 11 sitting members, a super-majority (2/3) is in the hands of 3 big companies.
Hmmm... the big boys are starting to pay attention. I hope this is a good thing.
-Charles Hill
Re:Gnome == Novell, Sun, Red Hat (Score:2)
Re:Gnome == Novell, Sun, Red Hat (Score:5, Interesting)
The real wild card here is Novell. Novell is the outsider here and it remains to be seen if there goals will align with the opensource community's goals longterm. Sure the names ie Nat are the same for now, but Novell is going to the ones pulling the strings.
I have to say even though I've read only good things about what Novell plans to do, it's going to be years before I can trust them. Novell wasn't exactly big in Open Source before buying Suse and Ximian.
Two things I'd love to see are opening up YAST and Ximian's exchange connector. Its would nice to see a Truly Free,Open, and Redistributable Suse. An open Connector would really help out in getting Linux on those corportate desktops.
Re:Gnome == Novell, Sun, Red Hat (Score:3)
While I don't use Suse, I'd love to see YAST opened up. I get really pissed off about how much flack Red Hat takes when they give all their tools back to the community and Suse doesn't.
Regarding Connector, it'd be cool but I doubt it would happen. They're pushing the Groupwi
Re:Gnome == Novell, Sun, Red Hat (Score:2)
The fifth was excluded you ignoramous.
Re:Gnome == Novell, Sun, Red Hat (Score:2)
From my original post... but the charter doesn't all that many from 1 company, so 4 will sit on the board.
Learn to read complete sentences you ignoramous.
-Charles
Re:Gnome == Gnovell, Sun, Red Gnat (Score:2)
Myth #11 about open source (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:Myth #11 about open source (Score:3, Funny)
Ahhh, shit, I knew I should have committed that faster.php I finished coding last night...
Ettore's blog (Score:5, Interesting)
On a side note, it's moving to browse through the weblog of someone who has died recently. I never knew Ettore, although I regularly use and love Evolution, but from his entries I see he was a very nice person while also being a talented hacker.
Re:Ettore's blog (Score:3, Interesting)
Quasi-archaeology (Score:2)
I find it interesting in general to track -- in retrospect -- major events in blogs and email. For example, my own email archives have a conversation between me and another person, discussing how we're going to go skydiving the next day.
The next email is dated about three weeks later, "here's some other event we missed while I was in the hospital."
Bizarre election (Score:2)
The other weird thing is it sounds like Miguel was disqualified on a technicality? Considering he's the one name that most people probably associate with Gnome, having him miss being on the board because of something like this just seems wrong.
- Steve
Re:Bizarre election (Score:2)
Re:Bizarre election (Score:2)
>>>>>>>>>
Yes! I thought engineers hated beauracratic crap like that!
Dear /. (Score:4, Insightful)
Not about time to change?
Death Announcement Reprint (Score:3, Interesting)
According to Nat's blog and numerous other blogs, Chema Celorio died yesterday skydiving in Mexico.
"The always enthusiastic and charming Chema Celorio died yesterday skydiving in Mexico.
For those of you not in Ximian who don't know, Chema started and ran our Mexico City office, led the Ximian Setup Tools team a few years ago, was in charge of the team that managed our contract with HP, led the Ximian Desktop for a while, was one of the creators of GNOME Love, and was recently our lead sales engineer for Europe.
Chema was one of the most loving, passionate people I have known. Being around Chema always made you want to do more and try harder. He was always questioning himself, trying to grow, taking on new challenges and never backing down.
When I went to visit our office in Mexico I stayed at Chema's house and gripped the door handle on his car till my nuckles turned white when he drove us to work. Whenever he wasn't on sales trips or skydiving he seemed to be in my office asking good hard questions and always pushing for us to do more.
Chema was easy to love, and he will be easy to miss. "
Descanse En Paz
Why did Ettore Perazzoli Pass Away Exactly? (Score:4, Interesting)
miguel still part of things! (Score:3, Insightful)
It's even possible that not being on the Foundation could allow Miguel to spend more time actually working on GNOME.
Re:miguel still part of things! (Score:2)
Re:miguel still part of things! (Score:2)
MOD PARENT UP (Score:1)
SCO's point of view (Score:2, Funny)
Dear Reuters,
As of late many Linux-communists have complained of our efforts here at SCO (the owner of the UNIX operating system) to bring fairness and equality to the management of our Intellectual Property[**]. The Linux collective launched a denial of service attack on our web site [slashdot.org] earlier this week, and in doing so forced us into reciprocating with a return denial of service attack of our own. It is unfortunate that it has come to this, but we must take measures t
Re:asdf ???? (Score:1)
File Requester Picture (Score:2)
http://www.blackapology.com/images/kdefile.gif
nick
Re:Ugh... (Score:1)
Maybe not the GNU(all proprietary software is morally wrong) community. But GNU is _not_ the open source community, thank God.
Stop the blather.
Re:Hackers? (Score:2)
Re:OS developer deaths (Score:3, Informative)