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Timeshifting: Cram More Into Life 432

jimharris writes "The VCR started it - and then the DVR improved it, so now I want to apply the concept of timeshifting in other ways. I've always wanted an audio cassette player that worked like a VCR so I could listen to more radio talk shows. This morning's NY Times stirred my interest with After TiVo, Radio Rewound about a MP3 device that does just that. Better yet, is Replay Radio - software that is more flexible and you can download the results to a portable player. I already use Audible.com to squeeze in more books in my life, by listening, rather than reading. I've completed 8 unabridged books in two months just by carrying around my Otis player when I get dressed in the morning, driving to and from work, doing housework, or when I exercise. Now I'm wondering how I can timeshift even more."
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  • Oh boy (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:12AM (#8397287)
    God forbid we sit and do nothing. It may cause us to think about our lives. Best to just keep ourselves busy all the time; flooding our ears with sound and our eyes with images. We must all do our part to keep introspection at bay, lest we realize things are not as perfect as they seem.
  • by sporktoast ( 246027 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:13AM (#8397299) Homepage

    Dontcha think it's possible to go a bit too far [fasterbook.com] with the cramming?
  • why timeshift? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:13AM (#8397306)
    Someone is going to complain about cramming more stuff into life, so it may as well be me. Dead time is sweet time. There's nothing wrong with lying around, ignoring the phone, staring out the windows and contemplating your navel. Time shifting makes every waking moment seem like work. Chill.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:18AM (#8397364)
    "so I could listen to more radio talk shows"

    Radio talk shows? I'd say the issue isn't having more time but how you are using the time you have already.
  • Re:Tivo2 (Score:3, Insightful)

    by notque ( 636838 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:18AM (#8397367) Homepage Journal
    Tivo for radio just seems like overkill. Unless I could skip past the commercials, I don't see any point. If I miss anything, I can usually pick up about what was said just by the topic of conversation, or the area in which they take it next.

    I don't think I've ever wanted to rewind radio. The need just doesn't seem to be that overwhelming.
  • by NeoSkandranon ( 515696 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:19AM (#8397380)
    "I've completed 8 unabridged books in two months just by carrying around my Otis player when I get dressed in the morning, driving to and from work, doing housework, or when I exercise. Now I'm wondering how I can timeshift even more."

    Do you really absorb as much listening to something while you do other things as sitting down and reading? I have enough trouble getting it all to sink in and not skimming boring parts with a good ol' mass market paperback
  • Ghetto engineering (Score:5, Insightful)

    by almaon ( 252555 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:20AM (#8397395)
    Somewhat related to the topic. Before the internet, I wanted to record long radio programs in the morning/afternoon while I was away at work and was not allowed to listen to the radio. I needed a way to record radio programs that were 4-6 hours long, a cassette deck didn't cut it...

    Ghetto engineering! I jacked my stereo through the back of a VCR's audio in, used a VHS tape set on SLP, program the VCR to start and stop recording at a predetermined time, and abracadabra: 6 hours of hassle free recording.

    Glad to know that there are less ghetto ways of doing it now, the Griffin Technology RadioSHARK looks promising for OSX. www.griffintechnology.com
  • Re:why timeshift? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Westley ( 99238 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:21AM (#8397397) Homepage
    The ability to view/hear what you want when you want doesn't *stop* you from lying around etc. It just means that you aren't forced to.

    No-one's saying you've got to buy one of these, or even that if you've got one you have to use it all the time.
  • by Mick Ohrberg ( 744441 ) <(mick.ohrberg) (at) (gmail.com)> on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:21AM (#8397404) Homepage Journal
    I am an avid NPR [npr.org] listener, and whenever Klick and Klack, the Tapper brothers [cars.com] are on when I get home, I invariably end up sitting in the driveway [npr.org]. I would love to be able to automagically tape these shows and play them back in my car (while driving to/from work) at the push of a button.
  • Re:why timeshift? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by nebaz ( 453974 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:23AM (#8397429)
    While it is true that there should be some down time in life, Time Shifting is definitely useful. I have quite a long commute to work each day and books on tape make the experience much better. There is only so much time in a day. Sometime time shifting actually ALLOWS more down time.
  • by Inexile2002 ( 540368 ) * on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:27AM (#8397472) Homepage Journal
    Seriously. You need some perspective.

    Once a year for a week I just force myself to unplug. I yank the network cards and modems out of my machines, unplug the controllers on my game systems, take my tv remote, monitor power cord, PDA and cel phone - put it all in a box and drop it off at a friend's house.

    No radio, no news, no newspapers, no magazines, no tv, no nothing. I allow myself books, but only stuff that I've been planning to read for at least a year and putting off. The first few days are a little stressing, I start to get jittery and keep panicking that I'm missing something important. But by the end of the week I've got more perspective on life, more perspective on all those little electronic leashes that I impose on myself and generally a much much much lower tolerance for most of the info-garbage that I regularly consume.

    Someone who's unironically posting a message seeking help on ways to more efficiently consume more media than he already does has to step back and think about that for a second. I don't mean to sound judgemental at all - really - but damn man, if your problem is that you can't figure out how to cram a little more media into your life then you need to step back for a minute and really give your life a good hard ponder.

    I don't mean to sound all hippy zen on you, but when was the last time you felt grass on your bare feet? Best of luck, but no one ever said on their death bed, "If only I had listened to more talk radio..."
  • by carn1fex ( 613593 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:27AM (#8397477)
    I know this is slashdot and none of us will be satisfied until we can immerse our brains in media 24/7 while having an AI walk our bodies to and from our cars and work.. but honestly, i think you should all learn the value of sitting in silence and thinking for a few minutes a day without distraction. I know our society of advanced capitalism is pushing to cram entertainment into every femtosecond of our lives and eventually that plugging of holes will be complete, but seriously.. take a step back, and take some deep breaths and please do it often.. for the rest of us:)
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:27AM (#8397480)
    Seriously, if you want more meaningful time in your life, shouldn't you address the fact that you're spending much of it watching OTHER people do stuff?
  • by handy_vandal ( 606174 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:28AM (#8397486) Homepage Journal
    Published in 1970, yet still insightful today:

    Future Shock [amazon.com] by Alvin Toffler [wired.com].

    -kgj
  • by saderax ( 718814 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:29AM (#8397494)
    The poster said 8 unabridged books, and im quite sure that if they are unabridged, then they are long enough to be considered a novel. 8 novels in a two month period is a decent rate IMO also considering that some of us have lives aside from just reading.

    Just because YOU cannot finish War and Peace in one week does not mean its not interesting.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:31AM (#8397517)
    ... simply press the 'off' button and go outside.
  • by the_rev_matt ( 239420 ) <slashbot@revmatt.COLAcom minus caffeine> on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:36AM (#8397554) Homepage
    If you just want to know what happened on the show, why not grab the closed caption stream and pipe it to a text file and speed read it?

    On some shows eliminating pauses, laugh tracks, and speeding it up would be fine (talk shows, cooking shows, sports, reality shows) but for any work of fiction (movies, dramas, even sitcoms) timing and pacing are a significant part of what makes the show good or bad (sit through a poorly edited movie sometime, or watch any of the last several seasons of Friends and you'll see what I mean). Eliminating these subtle touches greatly affects the perception of the quality of the show.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:40AM (#8397603)
    Clearly you don't value "quiet time" in your life.

    Stress is a major factor in heart disease, high blood pressure, stroke, cancer, and a list of other issues including even impotence.

    When you're constantly "plugged in" - book while getting dressed, music in the car, music on headphones at work, book on tape on the way going home, Tivo to watch all evening, etc - when do you get to resolve or even consider stressful issues in your life?

    When you make time to be alone with your thoughts, you'd be surprised at the results. You have time to mull over and address those issues in your life, and allow what is important to occupy your mind, rather than some mind numbing song or droning book filling your ears.

    Of course, there are plenty of people in the world that would hear nothing at all in their heads if their iPod was ever turned off, but that's another issue.
  • by cap'n foolsy ( 635911 ) <demonstar311@y a h oo.com> on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:41AM (#8397605)
    the sad thing is, if you applied this to most tv sitcoms you'd get around 5 minutes worth of real viewing material.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:44AM (#8397632)
    I used to try listening to my audio books while coding, but my brain kept trying to split itself down the middle. Quite painful, really. So now I just listen to them in the car, which gives me almost 2 hours a day.

    Oh, you're right. It's sooo much better to have your attention divided while driving, as opposed to while coding.
  • by wowbagger ( 69688 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:46AM (#8397652) Homepage Journal
    I saw a very funny and insightful study that was done.

    People have been complaining about "not having enough free time - we used to have so much free time, but we don't anymore. We have too much work!" The theory was that we don't have as much leisure time as we once did - that work was somehow consuming it all.

    So, they had these people record what they were doing for a few weeks.

    They found that the people were correct in that the didn't have as much "free" (i.e. uncommitted) time. However, they had VASTLY more leisure time - it was just crammed full of leisure activities!

    Yes, you can time shift/time compress TV and radio, listen to books on tape while you drive, read /. while "taking care of business" in the bathroom in the morning, whatever. And if that allows you to better enjoy life, power to you!

    But please, should you do this, don't bitch about not having enough "free" time - you chose to live that way, you have the problem with knowing what activities you cannot do without, YOU CONSUMED ALL YOUR FREE TIME!
  • Recommendations (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Woogiemonger ( 628172 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:48AM (#8397670)
    I don't follow most if not all of these recommendations, but I've at least thought about them at one point.
    speedread - If you pronounce words in your mind as you read them, you are forced to read much slower than if you learn to read without that habit. Supposedly one can read and fully comprehend a few thousand of words a minute.

    abridged books - You claim to read unabridged books, but if you're wanting to absorb more, why not read the versions that get to the point quicker?

    read/listen/watch only shows/stories/articles recommended by trusted sources - People you know recommend that you should read/watch/listen to certain things. Some turn out to be a waste time, but some turn out to be truly enjoyable. Only listen to those who have usually recommended the latter.

    ask for paraphrasings of stories - Maybe you don't need to read/watch a story. Maybe it's not worth your time/interest to go through every word. Just get someone who's good at summarizing to explain the story to you within 2 minutes. Maybe that will be entertaining enough.

    fast forward - If you liked Alvin and the Chipmunks, then try this. A friend of mine watches all of his anime at double speed. I think he's nuts, but it works for him.

    switch to cell phone-only - Here's something I follow. If you only have a cell-phone, you have an excuse to hang up on people who talk too much, "Sorry, using up too much airtime. Gotta go."

    pay someone else to do housework - A maid can clean your house for a reasonable fee once a week. Please don't hire an illegal alien though.

    carpool - You might have to drive to work and do your Otis listening routine sometimes, but othertimes, you can sit in the back while you speedread. This works best if you can ignore your talkative buddies and maintain focus.

    drink more coffee - Just make sure it doesn't interfere with the sleep you need. Most people need enough sleep to maintain most of their ability to pay attention to what they read/listen to/watch.

    work less hours - depends on your priorities in life. If you're an independent contractor who's being paid a lot, maybe you can take off a day every other week to get more reading in.

    become financially independent - or maybe you don't have to work at all after you've saved your money enough or started a business that runs itself.

    raise your slashdot filter - Most of the posts here are crap. You shouldn't bother with anything less than a rating of 4 unless you're moderating.
  • by monkeytalks ( 746972 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:50AM (#8397689) Homepage Journal
    Sure, I could do all that... but the thing about saving that you have to ask yourself is: what are you saving up for? Isn't the whole point of saving time so that you can sleep late on Saturday, play your onling RPG or whatever else you consider to be good? And why the hell would I want to conserve daylight hours? I'd rather have the night hours. Sleeping in the morning gives you more hours to be awake at night. For that matter, why go to work early when you can go to work late? There's less traffic at 7pm too, ya know and those Simpsons reruns... Tivo catches those for you. I'm all for sticking to black and grey as a means of getting matching clothes but taking a woman shopping is the opposite of saving time. When I go shopping with a woman, I feel like getting out of the car and painting a red X in the road to remind others where I encountered missing time. Women are, in fact, the primary drive for such portable devices that do things like time-shift talk radio. This allows you to actually do something useful or enjoyable while waiting for women to get ready or shop for something.
  • Re:Oh boy (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Short Circuit ( 52384 ) <mikemol@gmail.com> on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:53AM (#8397714) Homepage Journal
    I'd rather enjoy living it than sit back getting depressed thinking about it.
  • Guilty? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TwistedGreen ( 80055 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:55AM (#8397730)
    I don't understand you people, who feel guilty for doing what they like to do. What the hell?
  • by PyroJimmy ( 548200 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @11:56AM (#8397740)

    Why are we trying to cram all this stuff into our lives? When you multitask your entertainment, all it does is take some of the pleasure out of it. I'd rather *read* a single book in two months and really take it in than squeeze 8 of them into the little gaps of time during the day.

    I subscribe to the field of thought that it's better to make priorities of what makes you happiest and go after a few of them full bore in the spare time you have, rather than spend a little time with each of them and get nowhere. Accept the fact that you can't possibly do everything you want, and take seriously the things you *can* do.

  • by joshmccormack ( 75838 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @12:12PM (#8397915) Homepage Journal
    True, but I can see the value of listening to books this way all the same. In the last few years I've learned to read things in at least four different ways depending on how interesting or important the material. I don't skim through tech publications or mailing list digests the same way I read an entertaining novel, a relevant article or a manual or book to study.

    When I was being overwhelmed with material I found I was wasting my time reading some things too carefully and wasn't enjoying some novels b/c I read them too carefully.
  • Re:why timeshift? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by babyrat ( 314371 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @12:16PM (#8397948)
    Timeshifting allows more 'dead' time. For instance there is a TV show I want to watch. I can watch an hour show in 40 minutes if I skip the commercials and even less if I skip any segment of the show I don't want to see.

    And yes, commercials can be considered 'dead' time, but I'd rather have 20 minutes of dead time in a row versus 20 minutes of dead time split into 3 minute chunks every 10 minutes.

  • by fractaltiger ( 110681 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @12:30PM (#8398087) Journal
    Once you get rid of that annoying sleep habit... Just last week that thought occured to me: when humanity masters the workings of the brain and we unravel the regeneration secrets that sleep provides, you can bet your pillow that we'll start seeing "sleep supplements" or sleep substitutes to make our days longer and more productive. People will object to having a truly elongated 24hr day and being awake at night, but we could see radical changes in our job shifts, television schedules and even schools. Just so you remember you heard it here first.

    So in those days when our descendants won't have to sleep to stay alive, what will they REALLY do with all the extra hours?
  • by misterpies ( 632880 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @12:31PM (#8398093)

    These suggestions are totally half baked. Viz:

    " Rearrange your work schedule so you start at 7am and get off at 3pm or 4pm. By hitting the streets at semi- off hours you will cut your commute time by possibly half (less traffic.)"

    Better solution: find a place to live within 5 minute's walk of work or subway ride. Then you will save on your commute time and not have to get up early. If there is no subway and no residential neighborhoods near work, dump suburbia and move to a proper city. What's the point of freeing up all that time if you're stuck in Boonsville?

    "By hitting your seat at 7am when the office is empty and quiet you can get more productive sooner, and get more done between 7am and 9am than most people have done by noon."

    This only makes sense if you don't work closely with other people. If you do, you'll spend 2 hours from 7 to 9 waiting for the others to get in. If you can work for hours without needing to ask anyone else for anything, then ask your boss if you can work from home part-time.

    "Let a woman take you clothes shopping, throw out everything in your closet and replace it with whatever she suggests. Make sure everything matches everything else. Time saved : none, but nobody will know you got dressed in the dark before you had caffeine in your system."

    Wear a suit to work. You can wear the same suit everyday, with the same tie and a range of identical shirts, and no-one will think it odd.

    "Don't sleep in on weekends. Get up at your regular time instead of 11am and you have effectively doubled the number of hours of daylight you get on each weekend day."

    That may be true, but what's the point? Surely a big reason for saving time where it's not needed is to give you more relaxation time, not less.

    "Get your news from FARK (www.fark.com) In the hour it takes to watch the news on TV you could have a synopsis of the important events around the globe from a hundred different news sources. If it is newsworthy, it's on FARK."

    Listen to the radio news while doing other things. Try NPR and you might even learn something. Alternatively, admit that for 99.99% of what's reported, there's no reason why you need to know it straight away. So just catch up with the news weekly instead of daily.

    "Cancel your MMORPG accounts (stop playing Everquest). This will give you back 1000 hours per year. Maybe more."

    And stop reading slashdot. That will save even more.
  • Make your choice (Score:2, Insightful)

    by warkda rrior ( 23694 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @12:42PM (#8398220) Homepage
    Sometimes it is better to focus on quality rather than quantity...
  • by Lodragandraoidh ( 639696 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @12:57PM (#8398409) Journal
    I spend enough time multitasking at work. I would prefer to do less with my free time - not more...

    Stop and smell the roses...sit in one place and daydream...meditate...lay in the sun streaming in through the screen door on a warm day and take a nap...watch an ant mound...observe the wind through the trees, and the fall of leaves.

    I was far more creative and energetic when I spent more time doing those things than I am now, every waking moment crammed with some activity - either work or family oriented.

    It is not the quantity, but the quality of the life you live that counts.
  • by Hatta ( 162192 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @01:03PM (#8398482) Journal
    Seriously, I thought the parent was kidding about time compression. And the article submitter listening to all those books while eating, dressing, shitting, I've got to wonder how much he's actually gaining from those books. Maybe I'm a poor reader (the SATs would argue otherwise though) but if a book is at all worth reading, it requires a good deal of thought and possibly a reread before you really internalize the material.

    I wouldn't be particularly surprised if you finished the Harry Potter series while in the shower or cooking or whatever, but that's not stuff that's going to stick with you. And so, IMHO, it's a waste of brain power anyway. There's a reason GEB hasn't ben released as an audiobook.

    As a grad student I find that time valuable because I'm not reading. It allows me to "flush my buffer". I find that if I'm to really understand a paper I have to spend at least as much time thinking and not reading it as I do staring at the page. Indeed, quite frequently staring at the page is counterproductive.

    And while the time not reading but thinking is valuable, what I find most valuable is the time spent not thinking of anything at all.

    Thirty spokes meet at a nave;

    Because of the hole we may use the wheel.
    Clay is moulded into a vessel;
    Because of the hollow we may use the cup.
    Walls are built around a hearth;
    Because of the doors we may use the house.
    Thus tools come from what exists,
    But use from what does not.

    The Tao Te Ching, [ufl.edu] Chapter 11


    So reread your Thoreau people. No, REALLY read it, and simplify.
  • Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @01:19PM (#8398649)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • Re:Guilty? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by koreth ( 409849 ) * on Thursday February 26, 2004 @01:22PM (#8398684)
    Spoken like someone who's never been an axe murderer.

    Hey, wait, you're right.

  • Re:Tivo2 (Score:3, Insightful)

    by LinuxHam ( 52232 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @01:27PM (#8398762) Homepage Journal
    I don't think I've ever wanted to rewind radio. The need just doesn't seem to be that overwhelming.

    I would guess you don't commute in your car in the NYC metro area. If you only hear parts of a report about a road closing you'd want to hit the 8-second rewind a few times, too. Not to mention how many times have I (and others) just missed the latest traffic report "on the 8's" while listening to a CD.. i'd love to cache radio while playing cd's.
  • by NanoGator ( 522640 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @02:14PM (#8399492) Homepage Journal
    "I think it's the sadists that schedule morning meetings -- gets the night owls up too early and interrupts the flow of the morning persons work day; everybody is surly."

    I bought a laptop to get work done during those stupid sadist meetings. It worked! I'm not invited to meetings anymore. (True Story.)
  • by NanoGator ( 522640 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @02:18PM (#8399558) Homepage Journal
    "... simply press the 'off' button and go outside."

    Am I the only one who thinks modding up of comments like this is ignorant? "Don't do what you enjoy doing, instead, go outside because it's automatically better than using a computer for reasons I won't go into."
  • by Tackhead ( 54550 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @03:14PM (#8400285)
    > To quote a friend: Visbility != Productivity

    Productivity != Advancement

    When layoff time comes around, is it better to be:

    ...The invisible guy that comes in late, nobody knows what he does, and what are we paying him for anyways, the system's never crashed during the midnight backup cycle!

    Or

    The guy who's always here when things go to hell, even at 8:25 before anyone's had a cup of coffee, and yet he somehow manages to fix it before the 8:55 management meeting?

    You have much to learn, PFY, before you can truly ascend to BOFHdom.

  • by bigman2003 ( 671309 ) on Thursday February 26, 2004 @06:46PM (#8402511) Homepage
    time shifting sex is a great idea. I guess you could synchronize when you felt horny, and everything would be peaches n' cream.

    On the other hand, I've gone through a great time-shifing system myself. I got rid of any sort of TV reception. That all by itself has given me hours each day where I am free, instead of flipping through channels waiting for that ONE episode of Seinfeld I somehow missed.

    I'm not a 'Kill your television' fanatic, but I do think it is a big huge timesink. And- it will make you fat! Just ask the people at Yahoo! Health [yahoo.com]

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