Geronimo 1.0 Milestone Build M1 Released 147
Dain Sundstrom writes "The Geronimo team is pleased to announce the availability of our first milestone release, 1.0 M1. M1 marks the first of many milestone releases to come. This milestone integrates the main container components: Geronimo, MX4J, Jetty, OpenEJB and ActiveMQ. It has been amazing to see our communities come together and show such strong support for Apache Geronimo. There is still much work to be done on this integration and we look forward to fostering more collaboration between our projects to create an even more unified M2. As this is our first release and bound to draw a lot of attention, we have put together a thorough set of release notes which detail the current state of Geronimo. We advise that this is simply a milestone release and is not for general use, nor is it any indication of a final release. Our goal with this release is to start out slowly with a base set of functionality and gather some initial feedback that we can incorporate into future milestones."
Ok great (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Ok great (Score:3, Informative)
Though the descriptive article link to a wiki saying nothing but "LOL JEWS" sure didn't clarify that for me. Hope their J2EE implementation is more secure than their website.
Re:Ok great (Score:2)
Its a little brave to do this, but I guess they didnt bank on slashdot inviting the goatse.cx brigade along.
Re:Ok great (Score:1)
it looks a bit whack at this point (Score:1, Interesting)
Good thread [theserverside.com] about this EJB stuff, apparently in reply to a very interesting critique [softwarereality.com] about EJB, seems like the technology might not match the hype. Since the open source versio
Re:it looks a bit whack at this point (Score:1)
Re:it looks a bit whack at this point (Score:2)
Or rather, find out about it, and understand that you don't have to use it, and that even when you think you have to use it, you don't have to use it.
There is far more to J2EE than EJB, and most of it is all actually very useful, and easy to use.
Re:Ok great (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Ok great (Score:2, Informative)
Lovely to see the
-Peter
Re:Ok great (Score:5, Informative)
Think Tomcat, which is a container for web applications. Geronimo runs along the same vein but for EJB's. In fact it incorporates a Servlet/Web/JSP container of its own, namely Jetty.
And yes, it's Java stuff.
Re:Ok great (Score:2, Informative)
Just for clarification, Jetty was written by Greg Wilkins and is maintained by him and MortBay Consulting [mortbay.com]. It uses jasper as it's JSP engine, but is otherwise much faster than Tomcat. So to say Jetty is part of the Geronimo project is sort of misleading--as it is it's own entity. But that's the nice thing about good design--these things are modular.
Re:Ok great (Score:1)
Re:Ok great (Score:5, Informative)
It's a J2EE container / application server, which means that yes it'll host EJBs but EJB is not it's sole purpose.
J2EE application servers provide EJB, JMS, Servlet/JSP, Web Services, JNDI for service and resource location, and a whole heap of other standard APIs.
Geronimo takes the approach of integrating a whole heap of existing apache licensed components into the one cohesive server.
A lot of people think that EJB is all there is to J2EE, but it's not - in fact it's the least important component, the one that should be avoided completely unless you really know you need it.
Re:Ok great (Score:1)
At this point, I think that the article posters are being intentionally vague. I was laughing as I read the article, because it reminded me almost exactly of this [slashdot.org] tongue in cheek post.
It's like a commercial - long on statements, short on information
Re:Ok great (Score:1)
How about READING THE ARTICLE... oh right, this is Slashdot...
It's the ASF's J2EE Container (Score:5, Informative)
Re:It's the ASF's J2EE Container (Score:1)
There is another open source J2EE container, Jonas (Java Open Application Server, from Objectweb consortium [objectweb.org]) who is aiming for J2EE 1.4 certification. I've used their J2EE 1.3 -compliant versions, and latest stable version (3.3.6) is really a very good container implementation, even in production environments.
First milestone release (4.0) of J2EE 1.4 container is already released
Re:It's the ASF's J2EE Container (Score:2)
I'd call it the best thing that could ever happen
to JBoss.
Re:It's the ASF's J2EE Container (Score:2)
Clustering, security, ORM -- none of these are part of the specification.
Re:hacked? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:hacked? (Score:1)
Re:hacked? (Score:2)
I can't belive someone is so full of
You aren't familiar with the concept of vandals and grafiti "artists"? With most websites going to great effort to prevent unauthorized access and still being owned and defaced, I can't believe that people still subscribe to the Wiki concept. Without access control this type of thing is guaranteed. With access control it is far less likely but, still not ouy of the relm of possibility.
Re:hacked? (Score:2)
True. But there's 1) No challenge and 2) Everybody else can revert it. On some topics there's obviously flamewars (try Hitler on wikipedia), but otherwise not. The other kind is trolls, but there's no fun trolling an obscure page.
The only reason is when a page is getting massive h
Re:hacked? (Score:2)
Re:hacked? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:hacked? Or /wiki'd? (Score:1)
("SlashWiki'd")
Re:alright (Score:2)
Hibernate? (Score:3, Interesting)
Word around the campfire says it requires far fewer contortions than CMP beans.
Congrats to both JBoss and Geronimo. May they both provide middleware containers that don't suck.
Re:Hibernate? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Hibernate? (Score:5, Interesting)
That being said, Hibernate combined with Spring will do 99% of what EJB is used for, with a significantly reduced amount of pain.
Annoying (Score:5, Insightful)
Irony? (Score:5, Funny)
Please ensure authors give brief discription
Followed by:
Real programmers don't comment!
Hacked? (Score:1)
Re:Hacked? (Score:2, Informative)
It could be worse, they could allow image posting.
Re:Hacked? (Score:2)
Maybe the wiki should be locked down for a bit since the trolls are constantly changing it back with some stupid trollish message. Or send abuse messages to the ISP's off the trolls that are listed in the RecentChanges [apache.org] link. Yeah, their full host names are shown. So much for anonymity.
Re:Hacked? (Score:2)
Re:Hacked? (Score:1)
Click the 'Logo Contest' link. That's where the fun begins. Just don't do it at work.
Re:Hacked? (Score:1)
What is Apache Geronimo - Answer -from Apache site (Score:5, Informative)
http://wiki.apache.org/geronimo
The Apache Software Foundation has initiated a project to develop an open source, Apache-licensed, implementation of the J2EE specification. In addition, the project is committed to certifying the implementation as J2EE compliant. This is an ambitious goal and will present a formidable challenge for the people involved, given the wide range of technologies covered by the specification. Apache Geronimo builds upon the many Java projects at the Apache Software Foundation. In addition, the project is bringing together members of the Castor, JBoss, MX4J and OpenEJB communities. We would like to extend an open invitation to everyone involved in the J2EE space, both commercial entities and talented individuals, to join the community and build a world-class J2EE implementation. The Apache Software Foundation is in a unique position to build a J2EE compliant platform. Our non-profit, charity status, and our relationship with Sun Microsystems, provides the foundation with access to the J2EE TCKs, making it possible to achieve certification. In addition, our flexible and unrestrictive licensing makes it possible for a wide variety of participants to assist in the development of Apache Geronimo, and to build their own solutions upon the platform. Apache Geronimo has been launched within the Apache Incubator.
Re:Nice going... (Score:2)
Wanna know who the GNAA trolls are? Take a gander at this [apache.org].
Re:Nice going... (Score:1)
-An Ex-Troll
Re:Nice going... (Score:1)
The GNAA is full of proxies. That, and you also know who half the people who reverted the page are too. This wiki doesn't seem to be as userfriendly as Wikipedia, so i can't figure out how to diff each revision
Re:Nice going... (Score:1)
Can it compete with JBoss? (Score:4, Interesting)
Will it be Speed? Security? Ease of configuration?
Hopefully all 3. I can't wait to try it out.
Re:Can it compete with JBoss? (Score:1)
I can't wait to try it out.
Thats how
Help for the Acronym Handicapped? (Score:1)
Perhaps an enlightened someone could tell us what Geronimo does in Layman terms?
Re:Help for the Acronym Handicapped? (Score:1)
Wiki is a pain (Score:2)
Re:Wiki is a pain (Score:2)
What it is ... (Score:5, Informative)
Geronimo is an attempt to produce an apache-licensed J2EE middleware stack. Another player in the JBoss realm, apache licensed as opposed to GPL backed by the JBoss commercial company.
Will end up being another postgres vs. mysql 'battle':
One with more features than the other
Different licenses
One propped up by a company
[ We're a JBoss (GPL, not LLC) / Postgres shop ourselves ]
Re:What it is ... (Score:1)
Re:What it is ... (Score:1)
Still won't correct the irreconsilable licensing differences between the groups
Re:What it is ... (Score:3, Insightful)
Not quite. J2EE is a standard (well, a set of standards). You should be able to write to a compatible subset of whatever features Geronimo and JBoss provide. If you use EJBs and message queues, these should work on both app servers.
That's an advantage of Java - it means something as a specification. Its not like databases where you can say you implement 'SQL' then provide something massively different from other systems.
Re:What it is ... (Score:4, Insightful)
suite of extensions to the specs, 'cause the specs just don't let you do all that you need to do in the real world.
Differences in SQL is one of the reasons for this. EQL is a horribly constricting query language. Sure, it hides the SQL-vendor's flavoring from you, but since it gives you such a limited view of even 'standard' SQL, it has to be avoided for non-trivial queries -- either through EJB-container specifc deployment files, or even down to handcoded SQL in prepared statements at the session bean layer.
Show me a non-trivial enterprise application that sticks straight to the spec. I wish it could be done. Really. But my gut feel is that it is incomplete in parts, and way too wordy in other parts.
At least there's xdoclet.
Re:What it is ... (Score:2)
You are talking about minor extensions, which is totally unlike the fundamental differences between many so-called SQL databasses.
Re:What it is ... (Score:1)
Re:What it is ... (Score:2)
Come have a look at mine. 59736 lines of code in 256 Java files. Not to mention the JSP files.
We probably have 25 EJB's. 5 being Session Beans and the rest are BMP Entity beans. Not using CMP because our schema is really complex. We have tested our app in JBoss and WebSphere. Didn't have to make any changes b/c we don't use any app server specific features and it works great.
The only thing we're tied t
Re:What it is ... (Score:2)
Your application sounds very very trivial.
Put a real world requirement, say, our users are in the company LDAP and need to be authenticated from there.... BAM! You're squarely outside of the spec and looking at how to do this with different app server specific extensions.
Even a simple login from a standalone client (rather than web client) requires an app server specific logic.
It is not realistic to think you can build J2EE applications within the boundaries of the specifi
Re:What it is ... (Score:1)
That's just it though. CMP + EQL offered the hope for database-vendor independence, but fell short IMO. Just like SQL offered the hope for database-vendor independence.
Have you indeed ported to other RDBMS?
Congrats on app-server neutrality, tho. Which do you prefer?
Aweful press release. (Score:3, Insightful)
It is especially important when releasing a new product or a product with a new name, that the press release clearly describes the product. From the press release I have no desire to click the Geronimo link to investigate further and instead chose to add another post that is likely useless. OSS projects really need to think about the dirty word "Marketing".
Re:Awful press release. (Score:2)
I guess if you need this, you already know it.
("Middleware." Oh. Okay. That, I grok. I don't need it.)
Unprotected Wiki Frontpage .... (Score:1)
Lets see how well MoinMoin can handle this
Foir those of you wondering: The frontpage is most certainly defaced, when you look at it
ohhhhh look.... (Score:2, Funny)
GERONIMOOOOOOOOO!"
Now I know (Score:2, Offtopic)
Nothing like getting a full screen shot of the goatse guy and something else just as disgusting.
I'm off topic since I'm talking about the links and not Geronimo- and I wont complain about being modded as such - but this is just not acceptable. Usually I let stuff like this go- what ya gonna do? But that was beyond unpleasant.
Wiki hacked! Oh wait, we're back,...never mind (Score:1, Offtopic)
Three versions of defaced geronimo page (Score:1)
Not anything too witty either, "sad" describes them pretty well.
Re:Three versions of defaced geronimo page (Score:1)
And so... (Score:1)
In other news... (Score:2)
Sun, declined to comment, stating that they were organizing a task force to investigate the properties of C2H6O and specialized server chips.
Anyone know... (Score:2)
why Jetty??? (Score:1)
Re:why Jetty??? (Score:2, Informative)
One of the developers (I won't name the individual) on geronimo claimed Tomcat wasn't modular enough. Kinda funny since JBoss embeds tomcat just fine. Geronimo holds promise. Only time will tell.
Re:why Jetty??? (Score:1)
Re:why Jetty??? (Score:2, Informative)
Ohh, they grew a brain cell! (Score:1, Offtopic)
So does this mean they are learning? Or are the Trolls evolving?
Ominous Release Notes (Score:1)
If I were you I'd go get the cavalry pretty soon.
Indian Name v JBoss (Score:2)
Mutually exclusive? (Score:2)
I know that JBoss actually employs the main developer of Tomcat, but it is quite weird that a supposed ASF unified application server does not include their own tried and tested web container.
What's even more interesting is that JBoss used to bundle Jetty
Re:Mutually exclusive? (Score:1)
Re:Mutually exclusive? (Score:4, Informative)
The new JBoss 4.0 (which is still in beta) is coming bundled w/ Tomcat 5
Re:Mutually exclusive? (Score:3, Interesting)
A note to story posters (Score:2)
I find this very annoying because it's as if people expect all of us to know what all these projects are. You may actually gene
The Microsoft approach? (Score:2, Interesting)
We advise that this is simply a milestone release and is not for general use, nor is it any indication of a final release. Our goal with this release is to start out slowly with a base set of functionality and gather some initial feedback that we can incorporate into future milestones.
Release early. Release often.
- Which not only is the Microsoft motto, it's also a very good motto that I wished more OS projects would use. Then maybe, just maybe, we would start seeing software written for
Ooooooooooh well. (Score:1)
Congratulations (Score:1)
On behalf of the Free Software Foundation I congratulate the Apache team on their achievements.
However, I must raise a matter that I have written on before; Apache would be better served by the GNU GPL. Apache accepts the ideals of the free software movement, yet doesn't go as far as to protect them for future generations as would be the case with the GPL. By releasing apache under the current licensing terms any company may take the source code of apache and build a proprietary product, without contribut
Please please please (Score:1)
Parent is a troll (Score:2)
Parent is touching my junk (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Apache Problems (Score:2)
Re:Apache Problems (Score:1)
By adding an "s" just before "cp"
Re:Apache Problems (Score:1)
Geronimo Wiki (Score:2, Offtopic)
Re:Geronimo Wiki (Score:2)
Re:Text Mirror (as of 11:33 EDT) (Score:1)
I agree. Also, to whoever decided to deface the page, I am sure the slashdot community agrees with me when I say that you (whoever defaced the page) are very immature by doing this.
Morons like this should be banned from the internet.
Re:Text Mirror (as of 11:33 EDT) (Score:3, Funny)