Firefox Breaks 25 Million Downloads 392
certron wrote to alert us that earlier this week, Mozilla passed the milestone of 25 million downloads. From the official site: "With a minimal set of tools--an affiliate system, a small donations fundraising system, blogs, galleries, forums, and the good old human larynx--you all are spreading Firefox to a quarter of a million people a day. More than 500,000 sites now link to Firefox according to Google--a fivefold increase from six months ago. What was just a small flame 100 days ago has since exploded
into a phenomenal demonstration of the power of open source. Tens of
thousands of devoted users and fans are a powerful and capable force of
change. We have created a special commemorative image if you would like to mark this milestone on your own site." Reader asa also wrote to mention an interview with Bill Gates from this week where the mogul was asked directly what he thought of Firefox.
More = Better? (Score:5, Insightful)
25 Million Agree - IE SUCKS!
Although, the 25 million downloads doesn't actually equate to 25 million users. How many times have you downloaded Firefox? I'm over 10, that's for sure. And how many people got it from others, rather than downloading it?
I mean, it really doesn't matter, it really shouldn't be a competition anyway. If it is a good product, it will do well. Who really cares if it competes with IE? All more users really do is bring attention (very possibly malicious) to the project.
Re:More = Better? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:More = Better? (Score:2, Insightful)
More like - it all makes it too difficult to know how many people use firefox.
Re:More = Better? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:More = Better? (Score:3, Interesting)
The you have to consider, that most people download it to try it. Some might actually decide they prefer their current WWW browser (especially if they don't use IE) and stop using it.
Basically these statistics, if anything, only give an indication of trends (i.e.: acceleration/deceleration) in use as opposed to the actual number of users.
Re:More = Better? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:More = Better? (Score:3, Interesting)
Almost... I, for one, have 3 of them on my home machine... one in English, one in French and one in German. I'm developping extensions, and using the different languages to test the localization.
But then, there might not be a lot of people in my situation... we'd have way too many extensions if there were ;-)
Re:More = Better? (Score:3, Interesting)
Even people who know nothing about computers want that mozilla thing!
what makes it better are the plugins, my top 5 (Score:5, Informative)
Adblock [mozdev.org]
Session Saver [extensionsmirror.nl]
Web Developer [mozdev.org]
IE View [mozdev.org]
Target Alert [bolinfest.com]
Re:what makes it better are the plugins, my top 5 (Score:5, Informative)
Slashfix [hardgrok.org]
Re:what makes it better are the plugins, my top 5 (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:what makes it better are the plugins, my top 5 (Score:3, Funny)
Re:what makes it better are the plugins, my top 5 (Score:3, Informative)
It's become almost subconscious for me to do now, just like middle-clicking links to open new tabs.
You forgot an important one (Score:3, Informative)
http://flashblock.mozdev.org/
It turns all of those flash ads into little buttons you can press if you wish to view what's there. I rarely have to even use it since most flash these days ends up being in ads. And if you visit a site that uses Flash for something important it can be unblocked. Its really the bee's knee's.
It works so well that I don't use Adblock anymore. Really its the flash ads that slow things down and honestly I think Adblock slows page rendering down anyway although I did used to be a big booster of it. When the ads come down and are then removed it makes it seem like the page is taking longer to load and this in on a 3Mb dsl line. Anyway I highly suggest people use flashblock. Ieview, cutmenus, and of course session saver which is also great.
Re:You forgot an important one (Score:3, Interesting)
If you set Adblock to "Remove ads" rather than "Hide ads", you should notice a significant speed increase on pages that contain ads. Pages that do not contain ads will load slightly slower, but not noticeably so. If you create a very long list of rules or block entire URLs (neither of which should be done), you will notice a larger speed loss.
Re:More = Better? (Score:2)
The thing we have to think about is that we are counting version 1.0 only [mozillazine.org]. It isn't like they are counting milestone (nightly) releases either, so we are pretty much counting people who entered the Mozilla.org homepage (or www.getfirefox.com [getfirefox.com]) and downloaded Firefox. It may be pretty close.
Think about it though. Software companies who want to charge for software, charge "per seat" (at minimum). I mean, if I dual-boot and run Firefox in both operating systems I think it should count twice. No matter we all know that Gecko [mozilla.org] is the future.
Re:More = Better? (Score:2)
Re:More = Better? (Score:2)
Re:More = Better? (Score:5, Insightful)
I care. When we finally wipe IEs damned non-standard display of HTML and CSS from the internet, I won't have to spend hours and days attempting to get my websites rendering properly in Microsofts piece of crap they call a browser.
That's the main reason I root for FireFox. Sure, no spyware is nice, but for me it's a bonus. That IE thinks they are so l33t as to rewrite the W3 standards makes me angry to the core.
- Yolego
Re:More = Better? (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyone who is interested in improving the web or merely keeping the web open.
So long as 90 percent of users see the web through IE, it will remain crippled and vulnerable to desktop client-based lock-in.
All of Microsoft's published plans and statements about IE and Longhorn confirm their intention to engineer the maximum tie-in between the web and
The Apache webserver enables the technical possibility of an open web, but dominance of the desktop client is required to guarrantee it's practical likelihood.
Only by taking share off IE is it possible to build sites which demonstrate the practical benefits of standards-based web design to non-technical users.
Right now, up to 90 percent of the effort in standards-based design goes into accomodating IE's crippled CSS
Re:More = Better? (Score:3, Insightful)
Oh yeah, and don't forget upgrades.
Anyway, the download number is just another gee-whiz statistic [usga.org], unconnected with any real measure of Firefox's progress. I'd be much happer to see evidence that its user share has grown out of the single digits. Pity Google stopped tracking browsers [google.com].
Slightly offtopic: I have to put in a word to Firefox extension developers, which seem to be legion these days. (I have 13 extensions installed, everying from a RSS browser to a simple tweak that prevents right-click from being disabled.) Extension are easily Firefox's coolest feature. But they're also its biggest potential problem, because nobody bothers to sign their extension. Please start doing so, before the malware bozos decide that your extension is something they can steal and modify to their own ends.
Re:More = Better? (Score:2)
Why?
Instead why not force developers to properly write complaint HTML.
Slashdot isn't complaint. Hence hte probelms. Hit ctrl + and then ctrl - and things are restored.
Re:More = Better? (Score:4, Funny)
You must be new here. The slashdot I know (and love) is one big pile of complaint. =)
Re:More = Better? (Score:4, Informative)
This was fixed in Gecko in May 2004 on the trunk which is used by the latest stable version of Mozilla Suite (but not on the aviary branch).
To fix it in Firefox:
get a recent nightly build--I find them just as stable
get the new minor stable version (1.0.1) which is coming out this month
just install the Slashfix extension [slashdot.org].
BTW the bug only occured sometimes if your machine was fast and it was rendering /. too quickly--you could try reloading--it was a genuine bug as it occured intermittently, but the awful slashcode HTML doesn't help (esp. their use of evil many-nested tables for layout--see the funny and informative Why tables for layout is stupid [hotdesign.com]).
Sage? (BTW, how can you imply that MSIE is better than Firefox in this regard when MSIE doesn't even support RSS feeds.)
It already does to some extent. It is called quirks mode. It uses that mode to render
There's always tech evangelism [mozilla.org] (or filing a tech-evang Bugzilla [mozilla.org] bug)
So can Firefox. To do it on the fly in Firefox, use the User Agent Switcher [mozilla.org].
Update! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Update! (Score:2)
WRONG! It's 25,241,837
Wait... It's 25,241,842...
No, wait... 25,241,857
Uh, never mind.
Re:Update! (Score:3, Insightful)
Only 374,758,170 downloads left to match the estimated 400 million worldwide IE (windows) users
IE users didn't have to download their browser.
IE users didn't even have to make a conscious decision to include it with their pre-installed operating system that came on their PC.
Firefox's adoption would have reached 400 million if it had the same advantage in deployment.
Refresh button (Score:5, Funny)
Breaking downloads (Score:2, Funny)
Interview with Bill Gates (Score:5, Interesting)
Where did you get that???? (Score:5, Insightful)
Where did you get that FUD! The one big thing and the simplest security feature that keeps RedHat more secure over Windows is it is built and configured for users NOT to run as Administrator. This is the biggest screw up of MS. 80% of the spyware anf virus out there will not load unless you are running under and Admin or Root account. Try to install something on a RH box. See if you don't get a window asking for the root password. The default set up of Windows makes the default user an Administrator. Hell some MS programs won't even run unless you are an Administrator. You call that secure????
If Microsoft's products where the best I would buy them. Why do I use RedHat? It isn't the cost it is the built in security and realibity.
Did you ever wonder why the NSA used RedHat as its base for SELinux? If Windows is so superior why didn't they use Windows as the base of their in-house secure operation system?
Firefox *breaks* downloads? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Firefox *breaks* downloads? (Score:2)
I guess he's talking about the 1.0 version (Score:3, Insightful)
I know I've been using firefox for over 100 days (I think i jumped on the bandwagon around the .4 release)
Re:I guess he's talking about the 1.0 version (Score:2)
http://www.mozilla.org/press/mozilla-2004-02-09
Power of open source? (Score:5, Interesting)
I see what you're trying to say, but I don't know whether you can call this newfound popularity due to open source. When I think of firefox, It doesn't even occur to me at first that its open source. I mean, I know that it is, but thats not the first thing I think of. When I think of something like Gnome, I think of it as open source. Mozilla and friends just have a different feeling. Does anyone else think that too?
The difference is simple :) (Score:5, Insightful)
You wouldn't associate Open Source with usability even if forced to.
Re:The difference is simple :) (Score:5, Interesting)
Sounds familiar... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Sounds familiar... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:The difference is simple :) (Score:3, Insightful)
So for example, my web browser is Firefox and my mail client is Thunderbird. I can handle text editors on both Windows and Linux, which means the only things remaining that bind me to Windows are games and IM clients. If I didn't use them, I could choose between OSes based on say stability, features (e.g. available filesystems), and so on.
Re:Power of open source? (Score:2)
I still use IE in certain situations and that's okay. But Firefox is just... well I don't know IE is Pepsi and Firefox is Coke.... you can decide whether you are a coke-person or a pepsi-person yourself
Re:Power of open source? (Score:2)
Re:Power of open source? (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, same here. Imagine if the Opera people had decided to make their browser free as in beer without any ads and whatnot. Then it very well could have been as popular as Firefox.
"Free as in beer" is a big deal in this case. There's no market for browsers you have to pay for.
Re:Power of open source? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Power of open source? (Score:3, Insightful)
My problems is since the URL exploit has been brought to light (and some can argue it's not firefox fault) there hasn't been an official update, only the manual hack. This really bothers me. When a security issue like this comes up, I want firefox to automatically update, or at least tell me there's an update.
While I can do the manual fix I know many users that if using FireFox would not or even know about the problem. Why do we talk about better security and quicker updates when it isn't actually happening. I am not a programmer, but I love the community and support where I can. This issue needs to be addressed before the script kiddies and Hackors start to use the exploits that are found.
Finally, I want to say thanks to the developers for a great product and congrats for the 25 million downloads.
FireFox and IE have something in common... (Score:5, Funny)
and
"Internet Explorer Breaks 25 Million Computers"
Of course, this is just a low estimate on both.
Hahaha (Score:5, Funny)
What bill says (Score:5, Insightful)
Four years of stasis.
Two years of complete disinterest.
That's some really rapid innovation, there, Bill.
Re:What bill says (Score:5, Interesting)
Jerry
http://www.syslog.org/ [syslog.org]
Re:What bill says (Score:2)
Re:What bill says (Score:2)
Speed up Firefox (Score:5, Informative)
BEFORE applying settings!!!!! (Score:5, Informative)
The dearly beloved "run the turbines at Military Power 'til they blow up" Scribner on your staff who suggests sticking their foot through the floorboards by tweaking Firefox & setting "network.http.pipelining.maxrequests" to "30" connections (This means it will make 30 requests at once.)
Said Scribner, who is obviously a gamer & overclocker freak, _FORGOT_ to read the comments section at th4e bottom of the posting http://forevergeek.com/open_source/make_firefox_f
"#13 Great little tips, but only one problem, and that's that you're breaking servers by doing this. 3-5 requests is fine, but trying to do 30 requests at once puts some strain on the server. If two people try to access the same page at once with this set, that's 60 connections. Most httpd's are set to cut off after there are 100 connections made. So, 4 people with this set could not access the same site. I urge you to think things through before setting something like this and killing the websites you browse."
Re:BEFORE applying settings!!!!! (Score:4, Informative)
Re:BEFORE applying settings!!!!! (Score:3, Funny)
Hmm... Y'know, I've got an idea.
One meellion maximum connections!
* Puts little finger to mouth and points Firebadger at Microsoft [microsoft.com]. *
Mwuhahahaha!
Re:BEFORE applying settings!!!!! (Score:2)
Re:BEFORE applying settings!!!!! (Score:5, Funny)
Speed up Firefox THE RIGHT WAY (Score:2)
Re:Speed up Firefox (Score:2)
Re:Speed up Firefox (Score:2)
Neither did I. So, I went to their site and read a little. They appear to be right-wing pro-Bush conservatives. That's something I can't get on board with, but that doesn't make them "racists".
Someone please stop the download bots!! (Score:5, Funny)
Nice of Bill to take all the credit (Score:5, Interesting)
No mention of SFP [wikipedia.org] or the guys behind it.
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Serious Question... (Score:4, Interesting)
I am constantly switching with ctrl-tab between using IE for web based crap and going throough my file system.. ctrl-tab type c:\ and bam.. you get the idea?
I like the interface explorer gives me for browsing my files. I don't like the interface FIREFOX or any other browser gives me.. Is there any way I can get that interface inside firefox? some plugin maybe?
Any thoughts?
Re:Serious Question... (Score:2)
Tabbed file browsing!
Seriously though, I would also like to see Firefox get better file browsing capabilities. A nice, uniform cross-platform file browser would be good (one that isn't written in Java with tiny confusing icons and doesn't use a different set of icons for each OS).
Re:Serious Question... (Score:3, Informative)
Try this [totalcmd.net].. I've been using a *commander since the days of MS-DOS 5. Once you go split-panel, you don't go back. Not to mention stuff like built-in ZIP, RAR, FTP (archives get treated as folders, FTP is treated as a drive), a Search that works MUCH better then explorer's, wildcard file selection,
Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with TotalCmd, other then loving their product.
Re:Serious Question... (Score:2)
Just a thought.
Re:Serious Question... (Score:3, Informative)
"Reader" Asa... (Score:2, Informative)
IT WAS NEW (Score:2, Funny)
This was too much... (Score:5, Funny)
Bill Gates: "No, in fact that's one thing I like about the Microsoft culture -- is that we wake up every day thinking about
What would make it better (Score:4, Interesting)
Anyone know of a way to integrate firefox without adverse effects? I'd love to ditch ie 100%, but old habits die hard, plus I'd hate to lose the efficiencies...
Gates interview is bogus (Score:2)
So, does anyone else notice that when a journalist gets an idea, he gets it all wrong?
Err go Ego (Score:4, Interesting)
GATES: We're responsible for the creation of the PC industry.
With a statement like that, what about TRS-80, Apple II, Commodore PET and others. Steve Jobs would be the man if he wasn't so closed up with his architecture and IBM was not. All Microsoft and Bill did was be in the right place when IBM had 100,000 PCs without an OS. After that they screwed their way to the top of the heap with questionable business practices to ride the wave. It was well under way long before Bill had DOS.
Microsoft even had interest in SCO to get code and make sure they didn't rival their Windows NT. Oh yes, these two companies have a long relationship more than most know.
In fact, we just announced that we'll have a new version of the browser so we're innovating very rapidly there and it's our commitment to have the best.
I guess this hints of a new browser. I wonder how much open source code and ideas it will contain. Most people, including Microsoft seem to forget that Microsoft really hasn't invented anything new. They just use other's ideas.
In a few years when the biggest market in the world runs Linux (China) we will see Microsoft in second place. It will be a glorious day when Microsoft gets a long needed lesson in humility.
Re:Err go Ego (Score:3, Informative)
For some more information on why this statement is utter bullshit, I recommend Fire in the Valley - The Making of the Personal Computer [fireinthevalley.com] by Paul Freiberger and Michael Swaine. It is a very in-depth rundown on who did what, when how and why to get the PC where it is today. Hefty book but it's told like a story with interviews and quotes from those that started it - yes including Mr Gates.
Re:Err go Ego (Score:3, Interesting)
"Well, my success is creating great software... And I think my most important work was the early work -- conceiving of the idea of the PC and how important that would be, and the role software would play, having standards there."
Amazing, he really does believe he created not only the PC, but even the very idea of the PC.
Re:Err go Ego (Score:3, Interesting)
Well, Microsoft wrote Level 2 BASIC which came with the TRS-80 and built the Softcard, which added a Z-80 to the Apple II and ran CP/M. picture [apple2history.org]
Microsoft even had interest in SCO to get code and make sure they didn't rival their Windows NT.
Erm, your history is a bit off. Microsoft was a pretty substantial contributor to Xenix for the TRS-80 Model 16, which had a 68000 processor.
It seemed that Microsoft's strategy at the time was to travel the Xenix route to higher end computing, but AT&T insisted on a $400/CPU royalty payment. This was of course untenable for "cheap" microcomputers, so Microsoft eventually went the route of developing NT.
It is interesting to think of how things would be if the licensing arrangement had worked out, and Xenix would have been the base for mass computing.
Friends (Score:4, Interesting)
And I quote "My internet explorer just stopped working about a month ago.. it wasnt worth the trouble, and those damn popup windows are annoying too.."
I think average Joe is starting to understand. (Incidentially, one of my friend's names is Joe)
Pimpzilla (Score:4, Funny)
http://people.zeelandnet.nl/marco/pimpzilla// [zeelandnet.nl]
Count me out of the FireFox craze.. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Count me out of the FireFox craze.. (Score:2, Interesting)
2) search on IDN
3) double-click on network.enableIDN
4) set to false
5) hit OK
6) Problem solved!
Re:Count me out of the FireFox craze.. (Score:4, Informative)
I guess if you're dumb enough to fall for the phishing lures, IE is probably an ok idea.
I'm replying to you, partly because I disagree with the "IE is probably an OK idea" (even for dumb people ;) , but mainly because I don't want to draw attention to the troll you're replying to.
The Macworld article is refering to the recent IDN exploit that affects many browsers, but not IE. Macworld presumably considered this newsworthy because the exploit (a) affected Safari, and (b) didn't affect IE. However, IE had already suffered similar exploits, covered here on Slashdot and elsewhere. I had a quick peek on Secunia to see if I could find it, but got sidetracked by the pretty colours on the graphs:
IE [secunia.com]
Firefox [secunia.com]
Bottom line: IE is still horendously insecure, while Firefox has very few issues, and what few issues it does have are patched quickly.
The sad thing is: I use IE. Apart from the security issues (I don't use it enough to be affected - I use Firefox normally, naturally ;) it's not a bad browser. Trolls like the GP don't help its case. The really sad thing is: one day soon there'll be trolls like this evangelizing (or trying to...) Firefox.
alternatives (Score:4, Interesting)
Yay competition, rah rah rah! (Score:2, Funny)
There's room for everyone! Competition is great! I love competition! C'mon, compete with me right now, I'll enjoy every minute of it! I'm born to compete! With competition. Whom I adore.
25 million broken downloads (Score:2)
Pessimists (Score:2, Insightful)
Remember this also: many responsible individuals, with good file management skills, have downloaded it once or twice, but actually installed and loaded it on several machines. I myself have turned roughly 25 users from the world of IE to Firefox. I have downloaded it twice.
If everybody did as I have done, then there would be ~65,000,000 users. While I realize not everybody will do this, I think it starts to make up for those that download it several times and only install it once. I think actually the number is probably about right for number of users. Many will download multiple times, many will decide that firefox is not for them, and many will share with friends. It all evens out.
It's fantastic (Score:3, Interesting)
The difference between IE and Firefox... (Score:2)
Firefox and Open Source (Score:2, Interesting)
Commemorative Image scares me... (Score:5, Funny)
phenomenal demonstration? (Score:3, Informative)
Phenomenal?
It took them 7 years to get this far.
Don't get me wrong, I use Firefox every day. But let's remember Firefox was not
the primary goal of the Mozilla Project, but a fluke messaround of a couple of
engineers to strip the browser down from an unweildy "suite" to what people want:
an IE replacement.
If Mozilla weren't being so contrary in the very beginning and decided to go the
route diametrically opposite to competing with IE, we'd have been there years ago.
Neko
They are so far behind, it's funny. (Score:4, Insightful)
I loved this part of the interview. "Will be able to?" Like when, the next time someone calls my Nokia cell phone and their number is displayed on my PowerBook screen via Bluetooth and the Address Book? And then maybe I will even get the option to send the caller to voicemail FROM MY COMPUTER?! WOW!
Hey, maybe Microsoft will even come up with a program that will pause the music on my computer when someone calls me. Or logs missed calls in my phone's calendar? Now that would be cool. Just like Salling Clicker.
Microsoft: yesterday's technology, today. Still.
Really, all I could do is laugh at this one. How do you Windows people deal with it?
Firefox Benefits Everyone (Score:4, Insightful)
I think that it is a win-win situation.
Re:In other news (Score:5, Informative)
Re:In other news (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:In other news (Score:2)
Me, I couldn't care less, frankly - except for occasional mentioning of the issue here I don't care - I use "reduced" version of slashdot, no fancy formatting, no graphics. And I'm grateful for it!!
Re:In other news (Score:2)
Guess I must not be using the uber-slashdot website. I'm not cool enough. N()T 4 {-}4XX0|2
Re:This does not mean 25 million users. (Score:4, Insightful)
Schools, universities and businesses that are using firefox will be adding even more users that are not included in the download count on the website. I think the number of users who have not been registered on the download count will balance or even outweigh the number of users who have registered multiple times on the count.
Re:And it still doesn't... (Score:3, Informative)
browser.xul.error_pages.enabled
Set that to true