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Flying Cars Ready To Take Off 819

Ant writes "CBS News has an article, images, and a free streaming video clip of Elwood (Woody) Norris' invention of a working flying machine, AirScooter. He asked one of his test pilots to demonstrate it for 60 Minutes on a hilltop outside San Diego, California. It can fly for 2 hours at 55 mph, and go up to 10,000 feet above sea level. This week, he will receive America's top prize for invention. It's called the Lemelson-MIT award -- a half-million dollar cash prize to honor his life's work, which includes a brand new personal flying machine. Woody Norris' and others' inventions are for NASA's 'The Highway in the Sky.' It is a computer system designed to let millions of people fly whenever they please, and take off and land from wherever they please, in their very own vehicles."
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  • Speeding ticket (Score:3, Interesting)

    by superswede ( 729509 ) on Monday April 18, 2005 @08:56AM (#12268252)
    So, will you get a speeding ticket flying 55mph on a 35mph road if you don't touch the ground?
  • by garcia ( 6573 ) * on Monday April 18, 2005 @08:59AM (#12268273)
    Norris says you won't need a pilot's license if you fly it under 400 feet in non-restricted air space. And he's going to sell it for $50,000.

    But the car will fly to 10k feet right and it will sell for $50k right? That means that a lot of idiots will be flying one of these things and they will have the ability to go over the 400 foot limit.

    Looks like a serious issue.
  • Re:About time (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 18, 2005 @09:02AM (#12268293)
    Be it a helicopter rotor blade, or an unprotected prop, let the Jack Newton awards begin. If every 100 hours require a complete strip-down plus flight taxes, this one is as dead as a dodo. This is why private light planes have been pushed to the edge.
  • by RichMeatyTaste ( 519596 ) on Monday April 18, 2005 @09:03AM (#12268306)
    It depends on what you commute is like. If traffic and an out of the way route are part of your daily commute, it might be more efficient.
  • by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Monday April 18, 2005 @09:06AM (#12268331) Homepage
    you can get that now. it's called a private pilots license. unlike a drivers license it actually requires an IQ and SKILL to get and hold onto one. Hopefully in the future either a pilots license is required or they are automated so the braindead morons owning them will not be allowed to control it..

    Personally, I have held my pilots license. I let it lapse cince family has taken precedence. but I remember that going from mid-michigan to chicago meigs was a super quick jaunt in that Piper Aero... having a quick lunch in downtown chicago between classes (2 hour break) was very doable when the school had their own grass airstrip.

  • Hiller XH-44 clone (Score:2, Interesting)

    by heli_flyer ( 614850 ) on Monday April 18, 2005 @09:07AM (#12268336)
    Why'd they give him an award for that? It's a virtual copy of the Hiller XH-44 invented in 1944...that's sixty years ago. http://www.hiller.org/hillerXH44.shtml Someone needs to get a clue.
  • Re:Mirror?!? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by JustOK ( 667959 ) on Monday April 18, 2005 @09:11AM (#12268378) Journal
    Tim Hortons is better in every way.
  • by grqb ( 410789 ) on Monday April 18, 2005 @09:13AM (#12268392) Homepage Journal
    I don't know much about how that flying car works but if you consider the engine, it's limited by the carnot efficiency (sure carnot can get pretty big theoretical efficiencies at say, 900C) but I'd have to think that a car running off of a battery would be more efficient since the engine is MUCH smaller (I mean, that flying vehicle would need an engine much larger than any SUV on the road today) and batteries are not limited by carnot and could probably get maybe 40-50% efficiency.


    If the flying car was a glyder, then maybe it would be comparable but it probably wouldn't go 300mph. Actually, if the flying car had a micro-turbine then perhaps, but still, it would use a lot of fuel.

  • by Bnderan ( 801928 ) on Monday April 18, 2005 @09:16AM (#12268420)
    Woody Norris' company invented a device to aim sound, something like a laser does light. There was a good article in the NY Times about it a couple years back. This Popular Science article appears to cover it as well. http://www.popsci.com/popsci/bown/article/0,16106, 388134,00.html [popsci.com]
  • by Colin Smith ( 2679 ) on Monday April 18, 2005 @09:20AM (#12268458)
    I get a real 72mpg, my vehicle does 0->60 in less than 4 seconds, *and* I never get stuck in traffic.

  • by illest503 ( 130569 ) on Monday April 18, 2005 @09:28AM (#12268505)
    "Well, I've done the math. I think it's a modest number if you could sell a couple thousand, when you look at snowmobiles and quads and those things -- not cars," says Norris. "That's a big market. But if we sold say a couple thousand, $50,000 a piece, that's a billion dollars." [emphasis added]

    2*10^3 * 5*10^4 = 10*10^7 = 100,000,000 != a billion

    And this guy, Woody Norris, is the chief inventor? "Self-taught"?

    I'd rather ride the bus. Or a flying car created by Woody from Cheers.
  • by Fizzl ( 209397 ) <fizzl@@@fizzl...net> on Monday April 18, 2005 @09:39AM (#12268593) Homepage Journal
    I'd much rather see people driving an electric vehicle like this Reva NXG that can go 200km after a 6 hour charge.

    I would like to own one for short distance travels. I sincerely hope they market it with a different name in Finland thou.

    Somehow I feel I would not like to drive in a tiny, pink, electric car that is shaped like a potty. Especially with a name like Reva*.

    *) Reva is a very rude name for vagina in Finnish. very much more rude than fuck (vittu) I think.
  • That's just the inventors speculation. Currently there is no such exemption.
  • Re:Headline is wrong (Score:3, Interesting)

    by PJBonoVox ( 876905 ) on Monday April 18, 2005 @09:45AM (#12268637)
    Personal helicopters are already available and have been for some time -- with a good computerized guidance and hover control system, anyone with some lessons should be able to fly one.

    Make a foolproof system and you'll just be faced with a better fool :) Old people will still drive ridiculously slowly and the kids will still drive around in their pimped up heli-mobile.

    You can't teach old dogs new tricks. Or can you? [ebay.co.uk]
  • by hackstraw ( 262471 ) * on Monday April 18, 2005 @10:00AM (#12268745)
    Regarding SUVs, the only people that complain about them are slashdotters. Ever take a look at the number of them on the highways lately?

    The thing that I don't get about them, is the insurance. I can hardly afford (more justify the expense) to drive a land-locked car, which is pretty safe and (at least mine) inexpensive. Just imagine an accident with one of these things. Even a fender-bender could be very dangerous because you now add the extra dimension of gravity into the mix. Just for humor's sake, imagine an SUV equivalent of a flying car, and hearing it fall with the soccer mom and her kids in it. Actually, now I think about it, maybe it will add some gene selection back into humans for a couple generations. Hmm.
  • Re:60 Minutes (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 18, 2005 @10:20AM (#12269020)
    For the same $50,000 you can buy a "flying-car" that won't fall out of the sky if the motor stops working.
    American Autogyro [americanautogyro.com]
    Better safe than sorry.
  • by Garak ( 100517 ) <chris@nOspaM.insec.ca> on Monday April 18, 2005 @11:11AM (#12269623) Homepage Journal
    I hope your joking...

    Oil production is getting to the point where supply is not meeting demand. Just last week crude oil hit record highs.

    Just go to http://news.google.ca and search for oil.

    This problem isn't going to go away but it will solve it self, oil and gas is going to be so expensive in a few years people will not be able to afford to drive to work or drive anywhere for that matter. Prices are expected to get up to $190 a barrel in the long run(before 2020). That means prices at the pump are going to be 4 times higher than today.

    And no, hydrogen power won't be the solution, you need to get that hydrogen from somewhere, we are already short on electric power most of which is produced from oil and gas. Currently the best way to produce hydrogen is from oil.

    Hydro electric is tapped out in the US. Wind power has some potiental but has its problems. Solar just dose not produce enough energy. Nucular has alot of potential but that won't last more than 30 years, the supply of fuel is limited, though lower grade fuels are available at higher cost.

    There is no way we can continue to consume energy at the current rate. The Bush goverment could start pushing people to conserve energy but I think they would rather let the high oil prices do that for them. Iraq will help alittle if they can get things stablized and increase production. I was first puzzled why the americans were going into Iraq, I was looking at the oil production and not the oil reserves :P

    The big problem with oil prices going up is that oil is used in some way for everything we consume, from just the basic shipping to market to pesticides used for growing food.
  • Peak oil (Score:2, Interesting)

    by LK01 ( 876940 ) on Monday April 18, 2005 @11:29AM (#12269786)
    Unfortunately this thing uses gas, and according to some estimates "peak oil" is near, which basically means that gas prices might really skyrocket leading into serious economical problems. Under these circumstances I think that these kinds of vehicles don't have a (long term) future unless we come up with some new technologies that aren't oil dependant. And hydrogen isn't as energy efficient as gas.

    Oh, what's this "peak oil" I'm talking about? A quote from Wikipedia's "Hubbert peak [wikipedia.org]" entry:

    "The Hubbert peak theory, also known as peak oil, is an influential theory concerning the long-term rate of conventional oil and other fossil fuels production and depletion. It predicts that future world oil production will soon reach a peak and then rapidly decline. The actual peak year will only be known after it has passed. Based on available production data, proponents have predicted the peak years to be 1989, 1995, 1995-2000, or, according to one influential group, 2007 for oil and somewhat later for natural gas. This may lead to either minor economic or major catastrophic consequences for the world since modern civilization is dependent on cheap and abundant fossil fuels, especially for transportation. The Hubbert peak theory, while controversial, is increasingly influencing policy makers both within the oil industry and government."

  • by barawn ( 25691 ) on Monday April 18, 2005 @11:38AM (#12269896) Homepage
    The automobile has revolutionized our society - changed family life, geography, etc. The car's impact has been huge. While not everything the car has brought us has been good, on the whole, I'd say it's been worth it.

    Little early to say. The automobile might be America's downfall - you don't quite know yet. Cars encouraged American society to build expansive cities that essentially prohibit efficient public transportation (and basically discourage some of the most fuel-efficient forms of transportation: walking and bicycles). If you take Europe, for example, cities are smaller and cars are much less used, thanks to the high gas prices, but also due to the city design. Essentially, cars encouraged the design of cities that are just, from a very basic level, very inefficient.

    The next few decades will kindof prove whether or not the automobile was really beneficial - whether or not the "design that cars forced" can adapt easily to a non-fossil fuel system. It may be that the cost of shifting an entire nation's automobile fleet is more than our economy can handle.

    As a simple example, many pizza places are beginning to charge for delivery, and are losing delivery people because they can't make money anymore. As gas prices continue to rise, you could expect more and more businesses that relied on cheap gas-fueled vehicles to struggle. Whether or not those businesses can handle the shift to a new energy source is an open question. Or, better put, whether or not the US economy can handle the transition as easily as Europe's can is an open question.

    It may be in fifty years, people point to Europe's high fuel taxes as the turning point in the world's economy, saying "this ensured that Europe did not become as dependent upon oil as the United States did, and thus was able to adapt much easier when the need to transition away from oil became critical." The main problem with viewing the automobile as a positive influence is that you're assuming the current situation is stable, when it definitely isn't.

    But to actually curb energy "consumption" is outrageous. We need to find new, safe, and more plentiful ways to produce as much energy as possible.

    I think you're misusing the term "energy". Consistent increase in energy production is also not exactly stable - Second Law of thermodynamics, and all that. You can't expect power plants to be generating the equivalent power of the Sun eventually, nor can you imagine households consuming gigawatts of power to fuel random household appliances. At some point, the goal to increase energy production has to shift towards maximizing efficiency, accepting that only a finite amount of energy is available. That point is long off, definitely, but I'm not sure it's as long off as people think it is.
  • by artemis67 ( 93453 ) on Monday April 18, 2005 @12:00PM (#12270186)
    We have the technology... premium vehicles already have back-up detection systems, just put the sensors all of the way around the vehicle.

    Have Congress pass a law that all new vehicles must be equipped with a short-range transponder, making it easier for the navigation system to build a profile of the traffic around it. Also include in the law that ALL vehicles on the road must have a transponder within five years. This would be the first thing that would have to happen. Then, in five years, start testing automated systems.

    The technology is there, it's just a matter of the run-up cost to implementing this.
  • Re:60 Minutes (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 18, 2005 @12:47PM (#12270775)
    The article says it was on 60 minutes. The guy says he saw it o 60 minutes. Quoi de neuf?
  • by droleary ( 47999 ) on Monday April 18, 2005 @01:10PM (#12271034) Homepage

    It's a one seater.

    So, what, suitable for the needs of 99% of commuters?

    The driver/pilot position is open to the elements.

    Kinda like a motorcycle, yes. Doesn't appear to be a requirement, though, so enclosed versions seem likely.

    It has no cargo carrying capacity (as far as I could tell.)

    So, what, suitable for the needs of 99% of commuters?

    Max speed 55mph, 2 hours of flight per tank.

    So, what, suitable for the needs of 99% of commuters? Also, you have to take into account it potentially provides constant travel in a direct line. A one hour, 30 mile car commute could work out to a 20 mile/minute hop.

    Skids only (no wheels), so you can't park it in a ramp/underground garage, so can't fly it to the city...

    This one is almost fair, but then I could point out that most rooftop space is wasted. Plus, if these were allowed, facilities would follow. Ever seen an automated "elevator" parking garage where the spaces move rather than the cars? Also, like an enclosure, wheels are an obvious option for a future model.

    Yeah, I'm not holding off any vehicle purchases for this either, but there is no need to heap undue pessimism on it.

  • by Canis Latrans ( 634562 ) on Monday April 18, 2005 @01:12PM (#12271066)


    It might seem cool the first time you see a shiny new sky car zipping over top of your house. Lets fast-forward 40 years into the future.


    The second generation of sky-cars are out on the market, and the first generation are nearing the end of their lifespan. Finally, the average citizen can afford to go out to the used sky-car lot and pick up an old beater. Now, you've got some guy who barely has the cash to buy the thing in the first place, let alone pay for gas, maintenence and insurance.


    He's flying over your house with the tank on empty, and he doesn't have the insurance to pay for the damage when he breaks down and crashes into your house. Doesn't seem quite as cool anymore. It's bound to happen.

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